Time Nick Message 23:59 chris yep? 23:59 IrmaCalyx About PTFS... 23:57 chris i often change status from new, to assigned also 23:57 chris its good to switch so others know its being worked on 23:57 chris that works 23:57 chris :) 23:57 IrmaCalyx change of mind...switched it to Bob as he will see it through. 23:55 chris yay for patches 23:55 chris excellent :) 23:52 IrmaCalyx Ok. Will sitch it when we submit the patch. :-) 23:51 chris (you can do that when you attach the patch even, there is an option) 23:51 chris if you are submitting a patch 23:51 chris oh, swithc it to you 23:51 chris i always change it to me when i claim a bug .. the default one is just so its assigned to something, like i say, koha-bugs@lists.koha.org 23:51 IrmaCalyx So, CALYX will leave it as is then as we are submitting a patch for it . OK? 23:50 chris to someone you think makes more sense 23:50 chris if you cant change it there (it doesnt ereally matter, they all go to the bugs mailing list so all get read) you can change it right after 23:50 Genji hell. 23:50 chris yeah it was a topic of the meeting this morning, we need new default assignees 23:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4042 enhancement, P5, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, Public OPAC search can fall prey to web crawlers 23:49 IrmaCalyx When creating a NEW report can one change "Assigned To: Joshua Ferraro <jmf@liblime.com>" ? 23:49 IrmaCalyx 23:49 IrmaCalyx A quick question about Bugzilla � Bug 4042 22:59 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -2.4�C (4:53 PM CST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Rising). 22:59 moodaepo @wunder 56001 22:46 * Ropuch just spotted an opensolaris cap on os manual and live cd 22:44 moodaepo s/screenshots/photoshops/ : ) 22:44 Ropuch hehe 22:44 chris s/hard/lies/ :-) 22:43 chris screenshots are hard 22:43 moodaepo Ugh ArchivalWare looks like crud compared to Koha...screenshots != in action : ) 22:42 chris *nod* 22:42 atz which it should be able to do fine, via the biblios and z39 APIs 22:42 chris if it uses koha's api, then yep 22:42 atz moodaepo: basically they sell archival ware and give you koha with it 22:42 chris moodaepo: depends on how tight the integration is 22:41 chris_n2 http://www.archivalware.net/index.html 22:41 chris opensolaris is actually pretty nice 22:41 moodaepo So basically PTFS can combine ArchivalWare and Koha and sell it as long as they give their clients the koha side of the code? 22:41 atz hah... have to support solaris as a defense contractor (which i like, actually) 22:41 chris at least they are moving in the right direction 22:40 chris small steps :) 22:40 wizzyrea now I remember 22:40 wizzyrea YEs 22:40 wizzyrea AH ORACLE. 22:40 Ropuch Windows 2000 Server, Service Pack 2 or greater or Sun Server, Microsoft Internet Information Services 5.0 or greater, MSQL Server or Oracle 22:40 wizzyrea someone at some point told me that there was some hint of desire to make archivalware open source, but the database backend wouldn't allow it 22:39 atz it's definitely proprietary 22:39 wizzyrea I think that's the only reason 22:39 wizzyrea :( 22:39 wizzyrea yea, it runs on mssql 22:39 Ropuch Isn't ArchivalWare propertialy software? 22:37 chris_n2 its a nice looking site 22:37 * chris_n2 wonders if their website is run on their CMS 22:36 chris id love to see it in action 22:34 atz that was their goal when they started over a year ago 22:34 chris_n2 it appears that PTFS has integrated their CMS with an open source ILS (Koha?): "the integration of ArchivalWare with Open Source ILS software" (http://www.ptfs.com/company/management_team.aspx) 22:19 someoneagain bbiab 21:58 wizzyrea wb 21:58 wizzyrea lol feline aviation 21:58 chris back 21:57 someoneagain unless possible alternatives include R&D on feline aviation 21:57 someoneagain but sometimes, doing nothing is the most fulfulling thing you can do 21:57 Nate true 21:57 someoneagain always is 21:57 Nate Quite an eventful day I must say 21:57 someoneagain goodbye for now nate 21:56 Nate ok goodbye for now #koha 21:53 chris_n2 for the record 21:53 chris_n2 it does appear in my clone 21:53 someoneagain not that i have any particular disdain for cats. quite the opposite. but i do have an unhealthy passion for various countermeasures. and electronics. 21:53 chris_n2 I could not find the commit in the main repo via git.koha.org webgit 21:53 chris_n2 gmcharlt: I think that there was some confusion on my git issue earlier 21:52 someoneagain woah, electronic countermeasures vs cats? im interested 21:52 gmcharlt schuster: bug wrangling can expand or contract to the time you have available - every little bit helps 21:50 schuster Hey I can still be a bug rangler! but right now I'm feeling a little stretched with some things going on - KUDOS, some other State organization things being overly involved does take away from the daily work. 21:30 * chris will bbiab 21:29 chris next time :) 21:29 chris my silent campaign to have schuster elected failed 21:29 schuster Now I need a nap after listing all your accomplishments. 21:28 schuster and be elected as 3.4 RM! 21:28 slef I have electronic countermeasures now 21:27 slef also cats keep fouling my lawn 21:27 chris oh right you are :) 21:27 schuster chris - you were going to attend 2 meetings! Day accomplished! 21:25 chris or at least, hates people 21:25 chris i think my cat is 21:24 atz slef: if it makes you feel any better, my parents had a cat that was allergic to people 21:23 slef an allergy 21:23 gmcharlt slef: and what do you have against our feline overlords? 21:23 chris heh 21:23 slef self-roasting cats 21:23 owen But I'm done doing it! 21:22 owen Don't worry chris, I have no idea what I *did* today. 21:22 slef put iton backwards 21:21 someoneagain so then, invent a jetpack for cats. for me. 21:21 someoneagain that means you have free time 21:15 chris wow, i have no idea what i was going to do today 21:10 wizzyrea hehe paul 21:07 paul_p @tell jdavidb : fun that you're back to LibLime : "PTFS will operate its Koha support business under the name LibLime" (libraryjournal article) 21:07 munin paul_p: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling. 21:07 paul_p @tell later jdavidb : fun that you're back to LibLime : "PTFS will operate its Koha support business under the name LibLime" (libraryjournal article) 21:02 sekjal collum: I know, right? 21:02 collum Just got out of a meeting and read the irc log. Wow! 21:00 chris yeah i havent seen this one before 20:59 atz maybe a difference in the versions of git used ? strange problem 20:59 chris_n gotta run, bbl 20:58 chris_n origin git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha 20:58 cait not sure I can sleep after all those news - but good night everyone! :) 20:56 chris git remote show 20:55 atz chris: maybe you cloned from github instead of git.koha.org ? 20:54 paul_p owen: file a bug and affect if to hdl pls. (I suspect the maxreserve can still be used as a fallback if no rules are defined, but i'm not sure) 20:53 chris_n odd... my repo shows 0c7e7053e2 20:53 owen The code still attempts to check maxreserves in a couple of places 20:52 owen It looks like the "maxreserves" system pref is deprecated, but I don't see what it's replaced with 20:52 paul_p throw it, even if nahuel__ may have a better answer than me on this matter 20:52 owen I have a question about limits on the number of holds a patron can have 20:51 paul_p owen: yes 20:51 owen paul_p still around? 20:50 chris not a whole new repo 20:50 chris new branch would probably be fine 20:50 gmcharlt chris_n: bit drastic, but it may well be simplest to do that 20:49 chris_n start a new repo and cherry pick my work off the old one? 20:49 chris_n so what's the best way to fix this? 20:48 chris_n git is weird.... out of sync but does not know it 20:48 gmcharlt viz, http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=0c7e7053e2ec3ca33061b997ebbbe50f5d3f5f3a 20:48 gmcharlt chris_n: yes, you're missing that there was a follow-up patch that resequenced the DBrev numbers 20:47 chris_n at any rate, there is a fetchrow without execute in e1091f943 20:46 * chris_n must me missing something here :-P 20:46 chris_n show the version skipping from 060 to 100? 20:46 chris_n so why does http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=f0997994754b765e15120de27c9fe25aeaf9a2cf;hb=b03b55bf497b4ee1a4a47f28fad3d190922fb897 20:45 chris_n weird 20:45 gmcharlt that URL pattern will let you look up any commit by hash, btw 20:44 gmcharlt http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=e1091f943 20:44 gmcharlt chris_n: gitweb commit search is a little funky, but it's there - ? 20:44 * chris_n checks 20:44 atz cached reponse maybe? 20:43 * chris_n wonders why it does not show up in the gitweb interface? 20:43 gmcharlt chris_n: that odd, e1091f943 is indeed in master 20:41 sekjal hey nengard 20:41 gmcharlt *other positions 20:41 gmcharlt nengard: we elected chris as RM,; formal votes for other possibles will be done 2 February 20:41 nengard as I read all of the other news 20:41 nengard i read that on twitter while teaching my twitter workshop :) hehe 20:41 owen :) 20:40 nengard nuh uh that's chris 20:40 chris_n hehe 20:40 owen nengard: You're RM for 3.4. 20:40 chris_n hey nengard 20:40 irma Hi Nicole! 20:40 nengard hehe 20:40 nengard sorry i missed the meeting all - did I end up getting any more responsibilities? 20:40 owen Hi nengard 20:40 atz cool 20:39 irma Me too. Thanks for the meeting! Bye. 20:38 wizzyrea we are freaking in a happy way 20:38 russ lol 20:38 atz just wanted to come by and see if y'all were freaking out or not :) 20:38 russ hiya atz 20:38 wizzyrea to what do we owe the pleasure of your company atz 20:37 BobB Cheers all, must get ready for the day! 20:37 cait hi 20:37 atz good choice 20:37 paul_p (including the last one : Chris cormack being 3.4RM officially) 20:37 atz greets wizzyrea 20:37 wizzyrea hi 20:37 wizzyrea atz 20:37 wizzyrea omg agz 20:37 atz indeed there is 20:37 paul_p atz: lot of breaking news today ;-) 20:37 paul_p hi atz ! 20:36 owen Hi atz! 20:36 chris_n heya atz! 20:36 atz hola 20:36 chris_n gmcharlt: it does not appear when searching at git.koha.org afaict 20:36 chris atz my man :) 20:36 chris paul_p: good night and congrats again 20:36 gmcharlt chris_n: checking - I'm pretty sure it's in the main repo, but I'll grab a fresh clone and confirm 20:35 * chris_n scratches his head 20:35 chris_n and that commit does not appear in the main repo 20:34 wizzyrea good night paul 20:34 chris_n 'night 20:34 chris_n paul_p: g 20:34 chris_n gmcharlt: yet my repo says it is up to date on rebase 20:34 paul_p so, time to head to wife & bed 20:34 * paul_p think the conference is done, isn't it ? 20:33 chris_n gmcharlt: hmm I have a commit in my repo: e1091f943 which does not appear in the main repo? 20:33 wizzyrea I do that every time. Apologies. 20:32 wizzyrea >.< 20:32 wizzyrea genji, sorry 20:32 wizzyrea gengi: those of us in the cloud on amazon have had AMAZING uptime 20:32 gmcharlt chris_n: yeah, there were 40-odd related updates 20:32 chris_n in updatedatabase.pl 20:32 chris sekjal: definitely to date PTFS have been an asset 20:32 chris_n I notice that the db ver numbers jump from x.060 to x.100 with the acquisitions work 20:31 gmcharlt chris_n: yes 20:31 * sekjal chooses to trust PTFS as good members of the community, as they've been in my experience 20:31 chris_n gmcharlt: still about? 20:31 Genji owen: I was under the impression it was hosted by liblime, internally, or in one specific datacenter. But since its on Amazon... my fears of the libs having no library because of datacenter emergency, have been eliminated. 20:31 chris yeah it sounds like a good move, and i have faith ptfs will act in an ethical and open manner 20:30 sekjal neat! those features would go a long way toward making Koha more viable for larger institutions and academic consortia 20:30 sekjal "...aims to include services such as electronic resource management and document delivery..." 20:29 davi done 20:29 chris yeah, i think that whas always the plan 20:28 owen Interesting: "Following the transaction, Metavore, Inc. will focus on business interests outside the library automation industry" 20:28 davi good idea 20:28 wizzyrea davi: but please convey my hellos to baby :) 20:28 Ropuch davi: take a screenshot for the future ;> 20:28 owen Genji: That's just where it's hosted. 20:27 davi wizzyrea, too young yet to read 20:27 owen davi's_baby++ 20:27 * wizzyrea tickles the baby, just to hear some baby laughs 20:27 Genji LEK = amazon application. 20:27 Genji Ahh, finalyl we get some details on how koha works. It runs on an Amazon cloud. 20:27 wizzyrea Hi baby! 20:27 davi owen, baby, sorry 20:27 gmcharlt thd: well, that post is dated today, after all ;) 20:27 thd gmcharlt: thanks, I had thought that was old news 20:27 davi cxxxvcccccccbv,m bnvmm xnxcakjc,hhhhnsdx cnxvb c dsxcvb djcxbbgfhdg ffffffffjgh 20:26 * gmcharlt greets davi's cat, dog, or small child 20:26 owen davi: Cat on keyboard? 20:26 davi vc,,,,,,,,,,vccccvvcccccv 20:26 davi gnb. mvnb jgfng, vncxm,v cfmvn xbncvvvvvvvvxbnvfmg,bgnfb,mg sdjfhcmdfnvchbdfncv 20:25 gmcharlt thd: http://www.biblibre.com/blog/entry/bywater-solutions-and-biblibre-announce-partnership 20:25 owen I just hope we don't look forward to seeing PTFS claim on their web site to have contributed 99% of Koha's code. 20:25 thd paul_p: exactly why I asked 20:25 paul_p thd: ??? 20:25 gmcharlt owen: yep - whether they decide to play ball re community assets will be one of the real tests of them 20:24 thd gmcharlt: what is the news that brendan and paul_p did not have all to themselves? 20:24 owen *sigh* 20:24 owen "...gaining control of an arsenal of assets surrounding Koha" 20:23 chris nice writeup by marshall breeding 20:23 chris http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6714841.html 20:23 wizzyrea OH snap 20:21 chris bywater++ 20:21 chris http://bywatersolutions.com/?p=320 20:21 russ oh i lurk - you would be surprised :-) 20:21 irma chris: I will watch out for the celebration fireworks coming from the East! 20:20 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-01-13#i_372124 20:20 paul_p russ: you missed MANY things ;-) 20:20 * russ thinks he missed something... 20:19 chris heh 20:19 gmcharlt dear boss - remember that web developer type person you hired way back when? welcome to Catalyst's new line of business! ;) 20:19 cait I think this was to be expected 20:19 cait :) 20:19 Ropuch hehe 20:19 chris :) 20:19 chris id like to freak my boss out by showing him i got elected 20:18 chris is someone doing minutes 20:18 gmcharlt chris_n: yes 20:18 chris_n gmcharlt: have we closed the meeting? 20:18 chris oh they kicked you off there already eh ... here's to less of that nonsense from now on 20:18 schuster It was sent through the LibLime listserv I suspect as they posted the press release. 20:17 paul_p thd: yes it is 20:17 thd paul_p: Is the French term for acquisiton also l'acquisition? 20:17 owen No, not really :) 20:17 chris_n owen: does that surprise you? 20:17 wizzyrea sigh :( 20:17 chris suprise suprise 20:16 owen Interesting to read that on Lori Ayre's site. The letter didn't go out to *all* LibLime customers--we didn't get one. 20:16 someoneagain what is ptfs? 20:16 sekjal coming back from a meeting (sorry I was late to this one) to find all this out was a shock to the system 20:16 sekjal this is one of those historically significant days for Koha, I think 20:16 irma thanks Paul 20:16 paul_p Lori Bowen Ayre 20:15 chris_n paul_p: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=fusion 20:15 someoneagain someone should invent a jetpack for cats 20:15 irma LBA? 20:15 chris i think LBA just got it wrong with her headline 20:15 wizzyrea I was at least as excited about the surprise news from biblibre as I was about ptfs/ll 20:15 chris and on the ptfs site 20:14 tajoli http://koha.org/news/ptfs-to-acquire-liblime 20:14 tajoli here is 'PTFS to Acquire LibLime' 20:14 chris its excellent news though 20:14 gmcharlt paul_p: yeah, I'm sorry you and brendan didn't get to enjoy at least a day of having your news all to yourselves 20:14 paul_p (note that this PR is a kind of bomb news for us, but that's another matter ;-) ) 20:14 gmcharlt cait: yes 20:13 cait isnt there a term like fusion food too? 20:13 nahuel__ k 20:13 magnus chris++ 20:13 paul_p nahuel__: yes, it exist, but I think it's just for atomic fusion. english natives, pls confirm ;-) 20:13 gmcharlt nahuel__: fusion is used in English too, but not to describe business mergers 20:13 chris i say we give them some space for a couple of days, then ask 20:13 paul_p the next question is : will it fall into community hands ! 20:12 nahuel__ it don't exist in english too ? 20:12 paul_p Genji: yep 20:12 paul_p nahuel__: fusion is the french term ;-) 20:12 paul_p yep, that's what I thought I knew ;-) 20:12 Genji the koha.org website gets taken over by the company, and goes out of Joshua's control? 20:12 nahuel__ like a fusion 20:11 gmcharlt paul_p: merger imlies that the two parties are equals, more or less 20:11 chris its definitely not a merger 20:11 chris yes quite different 20:11 paul_p is it my english or "X and Y merging" is different than "X acquires Y" ? 20:10 davi no problem, no bother too much 20:10 nahuel__ null number is better 20:10 paul_p cait: it's different, as it's "I", not "the company" 20:10 nahuel__ ok 20:10 gmcharlt nahuel__: beta will be released once blockers on 3.2-alpha are down to a reasonably small number 20:09 gmcharlt davi: if they bother you that much, take it up with nengard - however, since they assuredly aren't commercial advertising, I would suggest that we simply encourage the newsletter 20:09 slefweb right, I get to walk the 3 miles home now... ttyl 20:09 nahuel__ gmcharlt, beta plans? 20:09 chris_n others even 20:09 * chris_n likes the opac headers as it shows what other's do with Koha 20:09 schuster I love one hour meetings that stay on task. 20:09 cait nothing special, just different from the other press releases 20:08 davi remove the ads? 20:08 gmcharlt any final items to add to the agenda? 20:07 gmcharlt ok, it's set then 20:07 slefweb cait: what about it? 20:07 chris_n gmcharlt: +1 20:07 cait http://opensource.califa.org/node/92 20:07 paul_p davi: I agree 20:07 thd paul_p paul_p: Thank you for helping the English people who do not know frederic1 to better appreciate his candidacy. 20:07 paul_p easier than baby-to-bed time ;-) 20:07 davi IMHO such ads are not actually needed in the newsletter page 20:07 slefweb looks OK to me 20:06 paul_p 11:00 UTC, great, that's lunch time for Europe ;-) 20:06 chris gmcharlt: im ok with that 20:06 nahuel__ gmcharlt, great 20:06 slefweb speaking of ads, the ones on mibbit are not really safe for use in a public library :-( 20:06 gmcharlt I'd like to call the next meeting at 11:00 UTC+0 on February 2 20:06 chris_n heh 20:05 magnus ;-) 20:05 chris teacup, storm :) 20:05 chris she sure did 20:05 magnus i think nengard said somewhere that this was just a temporary location until the community has control of koha.org? 20:05 chris cept for hlt 20:05 nahuel__ then, when will be the next meeting ? 20:05 davi :) 20:04 gmcharlt the header doesn't strike me as being objectionable advertising, though possibly weighted a bit too much towards US libraries 20:04 nahuel__ too bad 20:04 nahuel__ slefweb, you're right :p 20:04 slefweb I can see a GMail ad, but that is all. 20:04 davi ok 20:03 paul_p it's the header of some koha opacs 20:03 nahuel__ 5 images from koha opacs 20:03 paul_p yep, but it's not an ad 20:03 Ropuch davi: you're talking about koha libraries in header? 20:03 davi sorry, Koha related 20:03 nahuel__ paul_p, there is a flash animation 20:03 paul_p (I know what is an ad, my english is not that bad, isn't it ?) 20:03 paul_p yep, but I don't see any ads ! 20:03 thd paul_p: advertisements 20:02 paul_p davi: ads ??? 20:02 davi Only Koha ads I see 20:02 davi ads 20:02 slefweb davi: adds or ads? This is a very slow library PC I'm using now :( 20:01 chris and rachel for a short while after 20:01 davi why adds in the newsletter? 20:01 paul_p (kaitiaki) 20:01 paul_p it was written by pate eyler 20:01 paul_p thd, yep 20:01 thd paul_p: when was that the case in the past? 20:01 cait nengard++ 20:01 magnus nengard++ 20:00 chris_n nengard++ 20:00 paul_p (for all that don't know : we used to have such a letter a long time ago) 20:00 chris nengard++ 20:00 chris yay!! 20:00 * paul_p very happy to have the newsletter revived ! 19:59 thd I can say further that he has put attention to important issues about scripts running in not left to right and other details which we had been missing 19:59 gmcharlt day since I will be teaching a workshop at that time. 19:59 gmcharlt nengard isn't here, but I think her update pretty much says it all - From Nicole: The Koha Newsletter will be found at http://koha.web2learning.net until control of the domain is turned over. It will be published on the 15th of each month starting with January (2 days from now). Send all future story ideas to Nicole at nengard@gmail.com with the words 'koha newsletter' in the subject line somewhere. I (Nicole) will not be at the meeting to 19:59 paul_p this one will be short ;-) 19:59 gmcharlt the Koha newsletter 19:59 gmcharlt ok, I think we're ready for the next agenda item 19:58 chris *nod* 19:58 paul_p yes, I agree. note i've nothing against him in this role, just want to have a community as reactive as possible. 19:57 chris 99% of it is answering emaisl 19:57 chris frederic and I have discussed it though, and he does have a good idea how much work is involved 19:57 chris about translation manager 19:57 nahuel__ chris, of course ! 19:57 chris i will send a mail on the koha-devel list 19:56 gmcharlt I'd prefer that it be discussed a bit more openly on the mailing lists, at least 19:56 chris nahuel__: thats a maybe, it can do on the fly translation that might be to slow, we can talk about that in another meeting :) 19:56 thd I can inform those who have not communicated with him that his English is fantastic 19:56 paul_p (I don't think it's a good idea for me to ask him the question, because he's a competitor, I don't want business questions to interfere with community question) 19:55 schuster Maybe if they provide a report or an update to the RM that would suffice? 19:55 paul_p maybe someone could ask him the question of his involvement? 19:55 nahuel__ chris, but.... Template Toolkit manage translations, isn't it ? We won't need anymore baaaad tmpl_process... 19:55 * thd was up all night again 19:55 paul_p (it's 9PM in france) 19:55 * thd knows that he should ask that directly 19:55 paul_p thd: don't know 19:54 thd paul_p: Does he always have too much work to participate in IRC meetings? 19:54 chris much simplification thankfully, but still work 19:54 paul_p yep, heavy one. 19:54 chris with the templates changing, tmpl_process.pl will need work 19:54 paul_p frederic1: par là ? 19:53 paul_p we have 2 candidates. brendan speaks english, and I think it would better to have someone not speaking english. Frédéric is french, but, he don't participate to irc meetings 19:53 chris there will be a lot of work for the translation manager for 3.4 19:53 chris whoever is chosen i will work closely to help handover 19:53 paul_p one question/suggestion about translation manager 19:53 chris_n +1 19:52 thd ++ 19:52 chris none from me 19:52 gmcharlt getting back to the proposal - any objection to holding the remaining project votes next meeting? 19:52 chris yes 19:52 paul_p (+ default assignee of bugs.koha.org is meaningless atm) 19:52 thd I am willing to put my name forward at a lower level of granularity 19:52 schuster I know nothing about acq, but am pretty versed in circ and fairly in cat! 19:51 paul_p gmcharlt++ too 19:51 wizzyrea I like the idea of having a go-to person/people for a module 19:51 schuster gmcharlt++ 19:51 paul_p schuster: right, I was thinking of a dev role ;-) 19:51 Sharon being very familiar with the ins and outs of a particular module is a good idea, I think 19:51 gmcharlt thd: my idea is a that module owner would be responsible for wrangling bugs for that module, and helping to coordinate feature work for that module 19:51 wizzyrea I'm accomplished at both >.> 19:51 schuster paul_p - Nicole is on the list! She is an employee of yours! 19:50 paul_p wizzyrea: wrangling bugs or finding bugs :D ? 19:50 chris wrangling the bugs for those modules? 19:50 chris yeah, that is a great idea 19:50 thd gmcharlt: In what sense of ownership? 19:50 davi no yet neither 19:50 chris_n good idea 19:49 gmcharlt paul_p: chris: I'm also seriously considering proposal that we establish module owners where possible 19:49 slef I've been snowed in so haven't looked yet. not sure about other coop workers 19:49 wizzyrea fwiw I volunteer to help with bug wrangling 19:49 paul_p chris: right, but you don't need an official role for that ;-) 19:49 tajoli thank 19:49 chris you can never have too many bug wranglers 19:49 paul_p yep. tajoli++ 19:48 chris im very happy someone has volunteered to do database documentation 19:48 gmcharlt paul_p: my view is that everybody who wants to be a bug wrangler (and I will be adding myself to the list) should be one 19:48 paul_p + we are on the way to hire a new developer that will probably work a lot with the community 19:48 paul_p gmcharlt: (& all) you may have seen that BibLibre did not propose any role. but the main idea behind that was just to let other take a place & an involvement. we will be very happy to add a QA manager or endorse whatever is empty 19:47 chris :) 19:47 schuster 12 years.... 19:46 chris schuster: you know thats the rule of a succesful marriage :-) 19:46 gmcharlt and also to encourage more QA managers/bug wranglers/people before we all should bow to join the pool ;) 19:46 gmcharlt and to confirm - I move that we hold elections on the other project positions during the next meeting, to give time for people to complete proposals 19:46 magnus 3 cheers 19:46 cait and pets? ;) 19:46 schuster Hope you got approval from your WIFE! 19:46 chris hehe 19:46 paul_p and your wife ? 19:46 paul_p and you mother and your father ? 19:46 chris id like to thank the academy 19:46 paul_p ( but, frankly, it's not a surprise :D ) 19:46 cait yay :) 19:45 BobB +1 19:45 chris_n speech, speech 19:45 paul_p hourra pour chris ! 19:45 * owen cheers 19:45 chris thank you 19:45 gmcharlt hearing no -1, I congratulate the next release manager of Koha, Chris Cormack 19:45 paul_p "if someone against chris, up you hand, or stay silent forever" 19:45 sekjal-away +1 for chris 19:44 tajoli +1 on chris and on his proposal 19:44 paul_p anyone against chris ? 19:44 schuster + chris 19:44 richard indeed 19:44 Sharon Chris will do great 19:44 Colin +1 19:43 cait :) 19:43 chris_n lol chris 19:43 Nate +1 19:43 * owen has already chained chris's ankle to the desk 19:43 magnus +1 for chris 19:43 nahuel__ (for chris) 19:43 chris dag nabbit 19:43 thd ++ 19:43 cait +1 19:43 davi +1 # for chris 19:43 nahuel__ +1 19:43 gmcharlt +1 for chris 19:43 slef +1 19:43 wizzyrea +1 for chris 19:43 gmcharlt hearing no objection thus far ... 19:43 chris_n +1 # for chris 19:43 * paul_p vote for chris 19:43 cait gmcharlt++ 19:43 nahuel__ good idea 19:43 paul_p yes, and I don't think anyone will do 19:43 chris_n seconded 19:42 gmcharlt so if there is no objection, I would like to suggest that we vote on chris's proposal now 19:42 gmcharlt with one exception - I don't think there's anybody else who's volunteering to be release manager for 3.4 19:42 gmcharlt vote at the next general meeting 19:41 gmcharlt as some people have put their name in but have not completed their proposals, what I suggest we do is 19:41 nahuel__ In my opinion, chris is the good person to be release manager 19:41 slef I have no web right now. 19:41 gmcharlt summarizes the current proposals for 3.4 project roles 19:40 gmcharlt http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:roles3.4 19:40 gmcharlt nahuel__: this meeting may or may not be the time to do it, but I want to get the discussion started at any rate 19:39 nahuel__ we are voting ? 19:39 nahuel__ gmcharlt, what about ? 19:38 thd I am referring to wording which states that license X applies to your program 19:38 gmcharlt Roles for 3.2.x and 3.4 19:38 gmcharlt 5. # 19:37 gmcharlt if there's nothing more, I'd like to move onto the core of this meeting 19:37 gmcharlt thd: we'll await the SFLC foward, then 19:37 cait better now, thx thd 19:37 thd cait: are you still lost? 19:37 thd We need not follow the wording exactly to refer to "the program" when we mean the wiki content. 19:36 cait ? 19:36 thd The lawyer from SFLC will send a message which I will forward to the mailing list about how the epilogue to GPL describing how to invoke this license has no magic words. 19:35 gmcharlt thd: please go ahead 19:34 irma Salut! 19:34 paul_p hi irma 19:34 thd There is one more thing about wiki content relicensing 19:34 nahuel__ really usefull 19:34 chris_n language is a wonderful thing ;-) 19:34 paul_p closed ear / silent mouth 19:33 paul_p a silent ear... nice mistake : an ear is always silent :D but you all understand what I mean ! 19:33 chris paul_p++ # it can only get better 19:33 brendan_m bye 19:32 chris i know which entity that makes me feel better about 19:32 thd The press release refers to a transition before the end of the month. 19:32 paul_p the positive point is that we can't have a more silent ear facing us ;-) 19:32 slef oh wow yikes yuk 19:32 chris http://www.ptfs.com/company/press_release.aspx?pressId=81 19:32 gmcharlt and as I said, for now I'm reasonably optimistic that we have a chance of getting the community's wishes respected 19:32 chris vs 19:32 chris http://www.liblime.com/news/ptfs-to-acquire-liblime 19:32 davi paul_p, ack 19:32 chris_n and new potential 19:32 chris in exercise in semantics 19:32 tajoli right 19:32 schuster gmcharlt ++ 19:32 paul_p gmcharlt++ 19:32 chris_n right 19:32 chris exactly 19:31 gmcharlt my view is that the overall plan concerning HLT remains unchanged; HLT just has a different group of people to talk to 19:31 paul_p davi: on this matter, there's nothing new with the PR. We already have a koha.org independant development ! 19:31 thd The press release does not make it clear whether they have completed all the technical details of acquiring LibLime yet today. 19:31 * chris_n thinks 'fork' is a bad word atm 19:31 davi hi 19:31 slef hi 19:31 davi paul_p, If we have to fork we should know the sooner the better 19:31 chris definitely 19:30 paul_p yep, absolutly ! 19:30 chris_n after all, that's what we asked HLT to do 19:30 paul_p hi richard. meetin going on 19:30 paul_p chris_n++ 19:30 richard hi 19:30 paul_p me ? no, jo 19:30 gmcharlt I just spoke with somebody at PTFS - they obviously will have a lot to do absorbing LL and LL's customers, but I would encourage everybody to communicate with PTFS 19:30 chris_n sounds like a job for Joann 19:30 davi paul_p, ask PTFS as soon as possible, please 19:29 chris i think the latter is a valid question 19:29 thd paul_p++ 19:29 gmcharlt yes 19:29 paul_p s/at least/just/ 19:29 paul_p well, I think what we have to do now is ... to do nothing. Or at least ask PTFS about what thy plan to do with koha.org & all this stuff 19:29 owen Agreed. 19:29 thd We should, however, resolve the LibLime copyrights or I will make the effort to mark them. 19:29 gmcharlt owen: indeed, but for the moment, I am somewhat optimistic that we have a chance to get some action now 19:28 ccurry chris: ok; I'll send it to the list. Thanks anyway. 19:28 thd I think that we could pretend that others have abstained unless we here from them. 19:28 chris ccurry: there is a meeting going on currently 19:28 ccurry Hello all. Zebra question for you. 19:28 thd The motivation of real concern had been about LibLime copyrights. 19:27 owen ...and transform it into an issue of copyrights controlled by PTFS 19:27 gmcharlt thd: it's guaranteed to change the ownership of such copyrights 19:27 thd Yes, that certainly may change the significant issue of the copyrights controlled by LibLime 19:26 gmcharlt for people who are truly unfindable, I move that we count them as approving the change, although we'd respect their desire if they show up and vote to the contrary 19:26 schuster thd - if you need assistance let me know I'm a pretty good bloodhound. sniff sniff... 19:26 gmcharlt thd: given http://www.ptfs.com/company/press_release.aspx?pressId=81, one of the entities involved will be changing 19:25 thd I am endeavouring to do that but some people will be unfindable 19:24 thd The lawyer from SFLC said that we should really contact everyone for ascent 19:24 joetho Joe Tholen / SEKLS / Kansas 19:23 thd yes about the wiki content relicensing 19:23 * thd is impressed with any release and apologises for the patches he has neglected to send 19:23 gmcharlt thd: you had comments on the wiki reliensing? 19:23 gmcharlt paul_p: fair enough 19:23 chris ill do it in french :-) 19:23 paul_p or something like that, your english is better than mine ;-) 19:23 paul_p ok, chris & gmcharlt, you get my voice IF you add to the PR : "we expect that this alpha will be quickly followed by an alpha release once feedbacks have confirmed it's possible" 19:22 davi Sometimes the last beta is exactly the release, so start with alpha can be ok 19:22 * gmcharlt is joking, just to be perfectly clear 19:22 gmcharlt besides, who says we need to actually release a stable? Google's stuff does well in perpetual beta ;) 19:22 thd paul_p: yet they will be all the more impressed if it would move quickly to beta. 19:21 Genji freeze the code, do bug bingo. 19:21 chris its the first release, hence alpha 19:21 chris marketing shmarketing 19:21 wizzyrea (by fixing bugs) 19:21 davi I would jump to beta if possible 19:21 wizzyrea yes, shed that nasty alpha title ;) 19:21 chris_n all the more reason to work out the bugs quickly 19:20 wizzyrea yea, and people don't get too excited about alpha releases 19:20 paul_p gmcharlt: I agree, but for PR it's important: calling it "alpha" means for libraries : "wow, bad news, we're far from a release" 19:20 tajoli OK 19:20 gmcharlt more seriously, it's the first, we'll call it alpha, if it's a stable alpha, well, more power to us 19:20 * chris_n votes for blue 19:20 thd :) 19:19 chris :) 19:19 chris it really could only be alpha 19:19 gmcharlt I'm not particularly fond of this sort of semantic debate - I'll start naming them after colors or something if it this is a real issue ;) 19:19 chris a beta may follow soon after .. but since this is the first release ever 19:19 thd paul_p: if there is no reason to keep it long in alpha then you should be pleased that the label would be quickly changed to beta 19:19 chris :) 19:19 chris beta is slightly less unstable 19:19 chris_n nothing is stable until stable 19:19 chris and so it is 19:19 paul_p owen: maybe you're right. But for Aix-Marseille, they are working with a 3.2, and don't report a lot of things (not they are not live, it's just for testing) 19:18 tajoli alpha is unstable 19:18 * chris_n agrees 19:18 gmcharlt there are enough open blockers, indeed 19:18 chris to call it alpha 19:18 chris there are enough open blockers 19:18 tajoli also in italy 19:18 davi same here 19:18 nahuel__ it means "not tested" at all, i mean 19:18 chris alpha seems fine to me 19:18 paul_p but at least in France, alpha means really not working at all 19:18 owen I'm comfortable with the alpha label just because it has been so long since patches were pushed to HEAD. 19:18 tajoli +a on pauo_p alpha defintion 19:18 paul_p alpha to general, I can't think it will be the case ;-) 19:17 gmcharlt paul_p: I'm calling it alpha just as a matter of sequencing; if there are no major blockers, we can have either a very quick beta or jump from alpha to general release 19:17 paul_p and a beta is a full features, but still buggued 19:17 paul_p for me a alpha is an unworking version, with some features missing or badly broken 19:17 gmcharlt nothing world-changing will be accepted into 3.2 after alpha; huge changes would go into HEAD for 3.4 19:16 paul_p gmcharlt: why don't you wan't to call it beta ? you think it's really too far from stable ? 19:16 gmcharlt tajoli: code changes in 3.2 once alpha is relesed will be bugfixes only 19:16 nahuel__ for the 3.0.6 I think hdl will release "soon" a release, to have multiple little updates, instead of some big bugfix releases 19:16 paul_p tajoli: in fact, the 'alpha' will already be a close-to-final release 19:16 thd from the previous meeting I could say something about wiki content relicensing 19:16 tajoli Or git is so magic ? 19:16 paul_p all the devs we did for University of Lyon3, that you can see on git.biblibre.com, branch lyon3 19:15 tajoli But the code of 3.2 could change a lot from alpha to first stable. 19:15 paul_p we already have x00 patches to submit into 3.4 branch 19:15 gmcharlt so let's move on to #4, wiki relicensing 19:15 nahuel__ We are sending all patches to patches mailing list 19:15 gmcharlt moving onward (since I want to get us to the 3.4 discussion quickly), I don't think there are any particular action items from the previous meeting 19:14 gmcharlt tajoli: yes, 3.4 can be opened immediately once 3.2 alpha is out 19:14 tajoli Is not too early to open 3.4 immediately after 3.2 alpha ? 19:13 paul_p about 3.0 : hdl commited some patches on 3.0.x recently. I don't know if he plans to release a 3.0.6 (and he won't be here today, in a train) 19:13 nahuel__ else for koha 3.0 we are still fixing stuff 19:13 nahuel__ okay great 19:13 chris back 19:13 gmcharlt nahuel_____________ ;) - 25 January 19:12 nahuel__ gmcharlt, when the alpha will be released ? 19:12 gmcharlt move on, next item is 3.0 - as hdl isn't here, any comments on that, paul_p ? 19:11 gmcharlt owen: that would be a good idea, yes, although there will undoubted be some bug fixes to deal with after the merge takes place 19:10 owen gmcharlt: Does that mean that in the meantime we should be doing testing/patching against BibLibre's "community" branch? 19:10 paul_p hello world, sorry for being a little bit late 19:10 gmcharlt with the news that was just announced, I am hopeful that we'll be able to deal some issues like getting release tarballs put up with less muss-and-fuss than we had in the past 19:09 gmcharlt I'll be branching 3.2, and opening trunk so that the 3.4 RM can start accepting patches for HEAD 19:09 gmcharlt first item - 3.2 - I will be doing a massive pull/push from the BibLibre 3.2 branch after ALA, i.e., after the 18th, and that will become the basis of 3.2 alpha 19:08 zico please let me know.. when you are free.. i am waiting 19:08 gmcharlt agenda can be found here - http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10jan13 19:08 zico oh! is there a meeting going on?? i am sorry then 19:07 owen zico: You'll have to hold your questions until after our meeting 19:07 zico is it possible to import a table in my new "bibliodb" database? 19:07 nahuel__ zico, a column, not a table 19:06 zico owen: "biblionumber" is a table in "koha" database 19:06 Genji Waylon Roberton, Palmerston North, New Zealand. Ind. Contractee, with one client so far. 19:05 magnus Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 19:04 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City. 19:04 BobB Bob, Calyx 19:04 cait Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 19:04 IrmaCalyx Irma Birchall - CALYX information essentials 19:04 * Ropuch Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE 19:04 tajoli Zeno Tajoli, CILEA (Italy) 19:04 * nahuel__ = Nahuel ANGELINETTI, BibLibre 19:04 wizzyrea Liz Rea - NEKLS 19:04 schuster David Schuster - Plano ISD 19:04 * chris_n = Chris Nighswonger ,FBC 19:04 Nate Nate Curulla EVP ByWater Solutions 19:04 davi Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop (slef is in another meeting) 19:04 owen Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library 19:04 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM 19:03 gmcharlt let's start with a roll call 19:03 BobB OMG! 19:03 nahuel__ 19:01 :p 19:03 gmcharlt let's get this meeting started 19:03 * chris_n looks around for the ptfs folks 19:03 gmcharlt it's 19;00 UTC 19:03 gmcharlt greetings all 19:02 Genji Sweet! 19:02 owen jdavidb and jwagner 19:02 Genji Whos Ptfs? anyone in koha-devel that works there? 19:02 nahuel__ BobB, nothing, just http://www.ptfs.com/company/press_release.aspx?pressId=81 19:02 cait that 19:01 cait oh, i overread tat 19:01 owen zico: yes 19:01 zico owen: that means, do i need to take my "biblionumber" from koha database and import it into my *this upcoming database*? 19:01 BobB Good morning all, what have we missed? 19:01 nahuel__ :) 19:00 owen "committed to resolving community differences" is encouraging 19:00 owen I think there's no way of knowing yet 19:00 cait what will happen to lek? 18:58 nahuel__ seems to be great for koha 18:57 cait wow 18:57 nahuel__ wow 18:57 gmcharlt it's official - http://www.ptfs.com/company/press_release.aspx?pressId=81 18:55 cait news? 18:55 nahuel__ joetho, yep 18:51 joetho i want a Free The Owen Guy tshirt 18:51 joetho meeting here in 10 min, correct? 18:51 joetho potential ecstaticness here 18:50 joetho reely beeg news, eh 18:50 owen Hi joetho 18:50 joetho hi owen 18:50 owen zico and I don't seem to be having much luck today 18:46 owen-away zico: Yes, the new titles database is separate from Koha. It duplicates information in Koha. 18:36 cait hi #koha 18:20 zico do i need to import the biblio number individually from koha & need to paste it in *this* database? 18:19 zico but, i just want to know that, how can i populate my *new* database with biblio number? 18:19 zico i used phpmyadmin 18:18 * chris has to go now, bbl 18:17 chris 06:50 < owen> I built a custom PHP interface for adding titles to that database. You could even use a GUI like phpMyAdmin if you wanted 18:17 chris 06:49 < owen> zico: My blog post leaves out that information because it would get too technical and too far from being about Koha 18:17 chris you missed owens answer before, it was blog 18:16 zico can you help me a little? 18:16 zico now.. my question is... how can i populate my *this* database?? 18:15 zico now.. from your given doc.. i can see that.. i need to "populate my database" with biblionumber 18:15 zico chris: i followed http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/node/624 doc before 18:14 zico hello 18:09 nengard talk to you all later 18:09 nengard k - time for me to go get ready to teach my class - i'll talk to you all later - owen has my notes about documentation manager -- and I put my newsletter notes on the agenda 18:08 Ropuch Yup 18:01 chris_n methinks they should also go to the log for later reference 18:00 gmcharlt chris_n: yes, upgrade errors do get redirected to the browser 17:59 chris_n am I missing something or does the web-installer totally redirect script errors to the browser so they are not logged in the error log? 17:51 owen I built a custom PHP interface for adding titles to that database. You could even use a GUI like phpMyAdmin if you wanted 17:50 owen zico: My blog post leaves out that information because it would get too technical and too far from being about Koha 17:45 zico but... how can i populate my database? i mean, with which data? 17:44 zico but.. your given one... i can see that.. i need to populate my database 17:44 zico chris: i followed this one: http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/node/624 17:42 paul_p thanks chris_n 17:41 Nate thanks chris_n! 17:40 chris_n congrats to Biblibre && Bywater 17:40 Nate exciting times we are in! 17:40 Nate thanks for the post chris 17:40 Nate hiya everyone 17:36 chris_n heya chris 17:30 chris http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=74 17:29 zico which blog? 17:28 chris are you following owens blog? 17:28 zico is there anyone ..who can help me? 17:28 zico but.. facing some little bit problem 17:27 zico i created amazon aws private key..... created database 17:27 zico is there anyone who can help me a little 17:27 zico you know.. "new & upcoming" feature means... it will show some book`s front page in my OPAC 17:27 zico i am implementing "new and upcoming" feature in my koha 3.0.5 system 17:26 zico hi 17:24 chris owen are you gonna be at the meeting? 17:24 Ropuch I have a meeting at 18:00 UTC, hope it won't last long 17:21 chris normally i go into work a bit later, but have a rl meeting .. so cant do that 17:21 chris i think ill have to miss a chunk of it 17:21 chris dangit 17:21 nengard under 2 hours 17:21 nengard yes 17:21 nengard 2pm EST :) ... um .... 19:00 UTC 17:20 chris just under 2 hours? 17:20 chris what time is the meeting? 17:17 chris yup 17:11 * owen is happy for some good news 17:11 chris it's my favourite part too ;) 17:09 nengard my favorite part? --- "full, open and honest participation." 17:09 nengard :) 17:08 chris yay! 17:07 chris http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2010/01/14/bywater-solutions-and-biblibre-partner-in-us/ 17:07 owen May you fell a mighty beast chris_n 17:07 * chris_n goes off in search of food 16:19 nengard paul_p - somehow I missed that yesterday -I follow too many people 16:11 wizzyrea lol 16:10 paul_p do you think it was one of the "Expect some ILS news tomorrow" twit from mbreeding? ;-) 16:10 wizzyrea woo! 16:10 paul_p 1st breaking news of the days ;-) 16:10 wizzyrea oh that is exciting 16:08 nicomo and with that I have to go get my daughter, bbl 16:08 nicomo ByWater and BibLibre Announce Partnership to Provide Services for #Koha Users in the U.S. See http://bit.ly/680MQG and http://bit.ly/6yzobr 16:08 nicomo yeah, way cool, this is going to be an interesting day 16:08 nengard News from ByWater/BibLibre this morning: http://bywatersolutions.com/?p=312 16:05 schuster I'm really a South Dakota/Minnesota boy - Black hills... Big rocks out of the ground... hmmm how did those presidents get up there... 16:04 wizzyrea that is a strange coincidence of geography, nicomo 16:04 wizzyrea LOL 16:02 collum Hey. Texas has mountains. Just a short 8 hour drive from schuster 16:01 nicomo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyon 16:01 nicomo wizzyrea: funnily enough, Lyon where I live culminates at exactly 1000 feet also 15:59 wizzyrea nicomo: I like you 15:58 wizzyrea LOL 15:58 nicomo ok, I stop teasing 15:58 * nicomo improving his English, now knows that "hill" and "road bump" are synonyms ? 15:58 nicomo interesting 15:58 wizzyrea Schuster: like you can talk, texas boy :) 15:56 nicomo owen: right, up about 150 feet from downtown Lawrence, culminating at 1037 feet 15:54 owen nicomo: In face wizzyrea lives in the only part of Kansas with its own "mountain" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Oread 15:53 * paul_p is on a page saying "clic 'Order' once you have filled your credit card #, but can't find any button saying 'order' ... 15:53 nicomo eh eh 15:53 schuster hills are very different than mountains... A snow drift doesn't count...;) 15:53 * nicomo suspects that's not an English word... 15:53 nicomo put that down on my Europeo-centrism 15:53 wizzyrea it's ok :D 15:52 nicomo sorry, didn't know :-) 15:52 nicomo oh? 15:52 wizzyrea hey, we have hills 15:52 nicomo too flat, I guess 15:52 nicomo wizzyrea: that wasn't in KS, right? 15:51 wizzyrea I climbed to the top of the mountain and saw the Yogi. He told me "Go back down" 15:51 schuster waiting for you to say something profound...;) 15:48 wizzyrea wow you guys are quiet 15:39 nengard also follow kohails on twitter 15:37 nengard and yes i twitter -- nengard 15:37 nengard schuster - don't know havent installed it yet 15:34 schuster beta automatically or you have to sync? 15:34 schuster do you twitter? what is your sceen name? I've got an app for my iphone since I can't get it at work... 15:34 nengard it's in beta 15:34 nengard schuster - new version saves to the web 15:33 schuster Ah yes zotero - good tool, but saves to the hard drive rather than virtually read an article today about syncing your hard drive to their server today. 15:31 brendan oh cool I'm flying delta 15:31 nengard brendan Delta has wi fi - 15:30 nengard schuster - learning about zotero - i don't know enough of how to use it yet 15:27 schuster I believe the KUDOS board is going to post the agenda and some discussion points later today or tomorrow to spur discussion on Saturday about membership etc... FYI. 15:25 brendan I maybe able to catch a little bit of it during my layover... 15:25 brendan I'm getting ready to catch a flight - so I'll be missing the meeting too, unless my plane has got wi-fi 15:25 brendan good morning schuster 15:24 schuster brendan is here! It's probably a company meeting... LOL!!!! 15:24 brendan heh 15:24 owen Maybe it's on how to do three things at once 15:23 schuster what webinar are you in? Always interested in what others are "watching/hearing"... 15:18 nengard in a webinar right now - chatting with you all - and doing my work work :) 15:18 nengard i'm split 100 ways today 15:18 nengard seems like today is a busy day for all 15:16 * owen has to be at another meeting then :( 15:14 nengard yes 15:11 magnus the meeting is in about 4 hours, right? 15:05 nengard hi all - i won't be around for the meeting this afternoon so I'm posting my newsletter notes in the agenda - just fyi 14:37 CGI454 hi 14:28 chris_n bye kf 14:28 kf bye #koha 14:24 chris_n if you run rebuild_zebra.pl from crontab, you have to deal with KOHACONF and PERL5LIB, though 14:24 chris_n plus, zebra does not use the C4 libs 14:23 chris_n koha-conf.xml has the pathing zebra needs to run iirc 14:23 toins chris_n : but zebra isn't running under apache vhost... 14:23 chris_n else you need to export prior to running the cli scripts 14:23 chris_n you need to include the export statements in your user .bashrc if you want them to load automatically 14:22 chris_n someoneagain: koha-httpd.conf handles the envar for Koha 14:19 someoneagain ive been tinkering with unix/linux for a few years, but ill admit im not at all fluent. i was under the impression that anything in the ~/.bashrc only gets executed when that user logs in, right? if that is so, what i was curious about is this- does perl always need to know to look in /data/koha/lib even when noone is logged in? thats why i thought /etc/rc.local would have made it systemwide, that is to say, even if noone 14:17 toins someoneagain: you can set this env var in ~/.bashrc 14:16 someoneagain Linux library 2.6.18-164.el5 #1 SMP Thu Sep 3 03:33:56 EDT 2009 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux 14:16 someoneagain centos 5.4 14:15 toins someoneagain: not sure... what is your OS ? 14:14 someoneagain is that not the right way to set a variable? putting it in /etc/rc.local ? 14:13 someoneagain but if i type export |grep PERL i get no returns... uh.. 14:12 someoneagain export PERL5LIB=/data/koha/lib & 14:12 someoneagain weird... i have this in my /etc/rc.local 14:12 toins someoneagain: yes /data/koha/lib/ should be in perl5lib 14:12 toins someoneagain: try this : export PERL5LIB="/data/koha/lib/" and then rebuild_zebra.pl -r -v -a -b 14:11 someoneagain it worked but i guess my question is- is that normal? should /data/koha/lib be in perls @INC ? 14:10 someoneagain perl -I /data/koha/lib/ rebuild_zebra.pl -r -v -a -b 14:10 someoneagain so i found that the Context.pm was in koha/lib/C4 and ran this 14:10 someoneagain Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC 14:10 someoneagain so when trying to run ./rebuild_zebra.pl -r -v -a -b i got this error 14:03 brendan hi owen 13:59 chris_n howdy owen 13:56 owen Hey all 13:36 brendan oh man - I don't think I've ever get any sleep with a metal roof and a rain storm... 13:35 chris_n we have a metal roof and at times it is nice... other times deafening 13:34 brendan yup been up - the rain woke me up a little while ago (very loud) 13:33 brendan morning chris_n 13:32 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -3.0�C (8:27 AM EST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising). 13:32 chris_n @wunder 28334 13:32 Nate hello everyone! 13:32 chris_n g'morning #koha 13:32 * chris_n thinks brendan has been up for a while 13:29 brendan morning owen 13:23 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.6�C (5:17 AM PST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Rising). Coastal Flood Advisory in effect until 1 PM PST this afternoon... 13:23 brendan @wunder 93117 13:02 paul_p thanks brendan ;-) 13:01 brendan happy belated birthday! 13:00 brendan good morning paul_p 13:00 paul_p hi brendan 12:59 brendan morning all 11:17 Amit heya kf 11:16 kf hi Amit and nicomo 10:40 nicomo hi Amit 10:16 Amit hi nicomo 09:49 kf hi paul_p 09:48 paul_p hello everybody 09:42 kf hi #koha 07:13 brendan hi Ropuch 07:13 Ropuch Morning #koha 07:13 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.1�C (11:06 PM PST on January 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Steady). High surf advisory in effect from 8 PM this evening to 9 am PST Friday... 07:13 brendan @wunder 93117 07:13 brendan evening all 06:41 CGI828 If fill manually then it accept and save 06:41 CGI828 wht should I do 06:40 CGI828 hi when I try to import record via z39.50 and want to add it it show '003 is not filled' 05:34 munin brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is -6.5�C (12:09 AM EST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Rising). 05:34 brendan @wunder 06516 05:34 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.0�C (9:31 PM PST on January 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady). High surf advisory in effect from 8 PM this evening to 9 am PST Friday... 05:34 brendan @wunder 93117 03:34 brendan Hi Amit 03:34 Amit morning #koha 03:34 Amit hi brendan, chris 02:51 brendan night chris_n2 02:51 chris_n2 g'night #koha 01:50 chris_n2 it looks like it was a dep of a perl module I installed 01:49 chris_n2 that stinks 01:49 chris_n2 216:2010-01-12 12:10:46 upgrade perl 5.10.0-22 5.10.1-8 01:49 chris_n2 aha 01:43 chris thats a definite maybe 01:41 chris_n2 would cpan'ing Storable actually cpan Perl? 01:13 chris_n bbiab 01:13 * chris_n heads back home 01:12 chris_n so how to roll back to 5.10.0 01:12 chris_n but if there were an issue with the .deb, the roof would be off by now 01:11 chris_n it appears that @INC is hardcoded in the perl binary (from what little I could extract from #perl-help) 01:10 * chris_n cannot figure out what happened there 01:10 chris bummer 01:10 chris_n sadly, @INC is not fixed 01:09 chris or even an serial port -> ethernet and have console to serial port :) 01:08 chris chris_n: yeah, ILOM are the win for that 01:08 chris if they havent picked a language in the opac explicitly, it will try to give them the one their browser is asking for 01:08 chris_n fsck threw and error on boot and the system dropped into maintenance mode 01:08 chris also, it respects the languages setting of a persons browser 01:07 chris_n and we're back up 01:07 chris it will drop back to en 01:07 chris if it cant find the arabic template 01:07 chris en is the default 01:06 Genji For some things.. not all things.. 01:06 Genji okay, where is template language stored, in koha 3? what would cause en to be picked up, instead of ar-Arab? 00:56 chris_n from 15 miles away from chris_n2 00:56 chris_n hehe 00:52 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 00:52 chris @wunder wellington nz 00:39 chris better than 15,000 miles away :) 00:37 chris_n2 bbiab 00:21 * chris_n2 hates it when a remote reboot fails on a server 15 miles away :-P 00:05 chris_n2 clone->(pianohackr|work) 00:03 chris_n2 throw me to the lions, but please not the zebras ;-) 00:03 * chris_n2 is not a zebra handler, though 00:03 chris_n2 zebra just indexes certain fields of the bibs iirc 00:00 someoneagain reaffirming my belief that zebra is voodoo 00:00 someoneagain i would have assumed it would have been the other way around 00:00 someoneagain woah strange 00:00 chris_n2 prior to reindexing zebra