Time Nick Message 22:07 |Lupin| okay, enough work for today good night 21:38 |Lupin| looking for feedback about member search and the new filter feaure... 21:38 |Lupin| someone around ? 21:14 |Lupin| chris_n2: around ? 21:06 pianohackr|work bye 20:59 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: oki, thanks 20:53 pianohackr|work and no 20:53 pianohackr|work |Lupin|: You could always just push that one branch 20:53 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: and does it matter which are the active branches on both sides ? 20:52 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: but if a new branch has been added on the repofrom where the push is done, will it be propagated ? 20:52 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: yep... 20:49 pianohackr|work (carefully, of course, as git reset is a loaded gun) 20:49 pianohackr|work You can push, yes, though you'll have to do a git reset --hard on the other end to apply the changes to your working tree 20:48 |Lupin| so perhaps I should push ? 20:48 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: hmm... because the ssh access is easier in one way... 20:41 pianohackr|work cait: bye 20:41 pianohackr|work |Lupin|: Why not a simple git pull 20:40 cait bye 20:38 |Lupin| I'm talking about git commits, actually... 20:38 |Lupin| how would you guys export a hundreed of patches to _one_ file you could then scp to another machine and apply to another repo ? 20:37 |Lupin| I'm wondering 20:37 |Lupin| :) 20:35 chris_n2 sometimes some of the sand goes away without me knowing it 20:35 chris_n2 I'm not sure where they were lost along the way, but this is after all my sandbox :-) 20:34 chris_n2 |Lupin|: I do, but sadly it was missing key tables required for updatedatabase.pl to run correctly 20:33 |Lupin| chris_n2: too bad you do'nt have a dump of the old one... 20:32 munin chris_n2: The operation succeeded. 20:32 chris_n2 @later tell hdl_laptop However, I cannot now test the patch you sent as there is no need to update the db 20:31 munin chris_n2: The operation succeeded. 20:31 chris_n2 @later tell hdl_laptop: disregard the previous note; there were several bugs in the en optional datasets as well as some duplicate INSERTS in sysprefs.sql; patches submitted to fix all 20:27 |Lupin| anybody else tried this feature ? 20:27 |Lupin| yep nahuel is from biblibre 20:27 |Lupin| there was a problem with date construction, and changing the date format syspref didn't solve the issue so I stopped trying, lack of time to debug 20:26 cait but the patch I found is from biblibre 20:26 |Lupin| cait: yeah I tried this script but couldn't make it work actually 20:26 |Lupin| aah 20:25 pianohackr|work koha support company 20:25 |Lupin| cait: I'm gonna see... who is ptfs ? 20:25 cait http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-October/004729.html 20:24 cait maybe I m wrong 20:24 cait hm 20:23 cait I saw something on the mailinglist or here, not sure, but its not integrated and i saw no patches 20:23 pianohackr|work ah 20:23 cait I think ptfs is working on a feature 20:23 cait lupin: ok, not the new acq module :) no, this is not integrated I think 20:23 pianohackr|work oh, I don't think anyone has submitted that... 20:22 |Lupin| cait: recent acquisitions is a link on the main page that lets readers see what has been recently added to the catalog... has that been integrated in master somehow ? 20:21 |Lupin| cait: hmm I'm not sure... 20:08 cait Lupin: if recent acq stuff = biblibres new acq module, yes 20:07 |Lupin| :-) 20:06 * chris_n2 squashes a few bugs as a small diversion from a busy schedule ;-) 20:03 |Lupin| anyone knows if the recent acquisitions stuff has been integrated into master, pls ? 19:51 chris_n2 hrmmm... missing line terminator at the end of an INSERT in sysprefs.sql 19:48 pianohackr|work |Lupin|: ah, ok. cool 19:48 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: actually I already did and that worked. 19:46 pianohackr|work testing_dbupgrades++ 19:46 munin chris_n2: The operation succeeded. 19:46 chris_n2 @later tell hdl_laptop running a fresh round of web installer throws this errror: "sample_budgets.sql ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 1: Table 'kohatest.aqbudget' doesn't exist" 19:45 pianohackr|work But you can test through a view-source 19:45 pianohackr|work Not sure on that one 19:45 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: for the includes I think it is not necessry: the template thing can take an include path and I think Koha defines this one correctly. 19:44 pianohackr|work k 19:44 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: ah, yes, that's what I was suspecting... anyway since I can't test al that by myself I'll copy those folders anyway... 19:42 pianohackr|work |Lupin|: I think so, yes. You might have to copy the includes, js, css and image folders over to the custom theme, though 19:42 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: is it correct that a custom theme works by overloading the "prog" theme, so that if one doesn't like something in a file of the prog theme, one just copies it at the same locaiton in the default theme and modify that copy ? 19:33 |Lupin| hello jesse :) 19:29 chris_n2 pianohacker|work: set building and lighting design for an upcoming drama 19:27 pianohackr|work Hi, |Lupin| 19:27 |Lupin| hi again 19:00 pianohackr|work What's keeping you busy? 19:00 pianohackr|work Pretty good, doing server admin stuff 18:59 chris_n2 and your's? 18:59 chris_n2 busy :-) 18:58 pianohackr|work How's your weekend going? 18:58 pianohackr|work Hi, chris_n2 18:57 chris_n2 g'afternoon 18:49 Ropuch Hm, updater seems to have some problems with budgets 17:58 pianohackr|work hello 17:58 Ropuch Hello pianohackr|work 17:35 Ropuch Although installer was throwing an error because of that 17:34 Ropuch 'Removing redundant coma in updatedatabase' sounds lame ;> 17:28 Ropuch Yup 17:27 |Lupin| but I'm not sure it's a good idea 17:27 |Lupin| so far I was waiting til the patches were accepted inmaster 17:26 |Lupin| actually I'm considering watching koha-patches much more seriously and examine each patch to see whether it should be applied on our branch o not 17:26 |Lupin| :) 17:11 Ropuch Oh, Chris has alredy sent patch for issuingrule sin updatedatabase 17:10 Ropuch Sound quite simple :) 17:08 |Lupin| Ropuch: finally I think the less inconvenient way I've found is to git format-patch and then modify the generated files and then git am them 16:16 Ropuch Huh 16:15 |Lupin| Ropuch: ok... to make things even more funyy, in the meantime I configured my git to refuse commits when there are trailing whitespaces, and I started to fix them so the patches do not apply anymore... 16:12 |Lupin| Ropuch: well,pictures are not a good argument for me as a blind, but thanks a lot ! will give it a try anyway ! 16:11 Ropuch [; 16:11 Ropuch Aaa, now I;m curious how to solve it 16:10 Ropuch hm 16:10 Ropuch Really simple and useful (pictures included ;-) 16:09 Ropuch http://progit.org/book 16:08 |Lupin| Ropuch: I guess merges are one thing I wanted to avoid, not exactly sure why... 16:06 Ropuch |Lupin|: I'm newbie with git, but I'm quite sure you can fix things with some temporary branches & merge kung-fu [; 16:05 |Lupin| :/ 16:04 Ropuch HM 16:02 |Lupin| it's a mess I know... :/ 16:02 |Lupin| Ropuch: the problem is I'll rename the file because there is a file with same name in Koha: there is an additem.pl in Koha, I wrote another one which was called additem.pl so far, too. NOw I'd like to make things nicer, so I restored the additem.pl file as it is in Koha and added the modified version as additem-helene.pl. But now all the changes done to additem.pl willl have to be applied to additem-helene... 15:52 Ropuch But simply renaming files looks like better solution 15:51 Ropuch format-paych and aplly it to your current ;> 15:51 Ropuch |Lupin|: you can always checkout to temp branch from your current one, rename the file, chery-pick patches you want 15:51 |Lupin| I may be able to do some commits to rename the old file to the new one so that git knows about it... 15:50 |Lupin| Ropuch: yeah but I've several commits to change and may overlook some of them, that's why I was looking for something more automatic. 15:46 Ropuch |Lupin|: you can change the file name in patch file manually 15:45 |Lupin| eiro: you have your domain of speciality already :) 15:45 |Lupin| yeah git, bad typer today 15:45 |Lupin| np eiro :) 15:45 eiro i'm not skilled with git: sorry 15:45 |Lupin| (foo.pl has been renames dto ba.pl but git does not know about that) 15:44 eiro git :) 15:44 |Lupin| 'd like to cherry-pick some patches, which instead of modify foo.pl should modify bar.pl is that possible ? 15:44 eiro g ? 15:44 eiro Alixe and Guillaume ( 6 and 5 years old) 15:44 |Lupin| anyone who could help with g, pls ? 15:44 |Lupin| eiro: how many children do you have ? 15:43 |Lupin| :) 15:42 eiro |Lupin|, yep! familly time ... watching a movie with the children, hidden under blankets 15:24 |Lupin| salut eiro ! :) la forme ? 15:15 eiro hello |Lupin| 15:14 |Lupin| hi there 14:37 chris_n2 hdl_laptop: I'm not sure, but I'll have to add it and then re-test the patch 14:27 martinmorris so I can just go ahead? 14:27 hdl_laptop martinmorris: i don't think so. 14:25 martinmorris hello, i'm upgrading to koha 3.04 but it's insisting on GD 2.39. Do I have to install an old version of the module? 14:24 hdl_laptop ??? How comes ? 14:24 chris_n2 bbiab 14:24 chris_n2 hdl_laptop: this might be the problem: my db does not have an 'aqbudget' table 14:18 cait h hdl_laptop :) 14:18 hdl_laptop But it was not really the best choice since then previous information for budgets, if any woudl have been lost. 14:18 hdl_laptop at first, the updatedatabase paul pushed was only creation of the table. 14:16 hdl_laptop Therefore I updated a3dfe58e014c316687f to rename that table and add the missing fields 14:15 hdl_laptop chris_n2 table aqbudgets is the "new name" for aqbudget. 14:13 * chris_n2 worked on testing the updatedatabase patch you sent last evening 14:13 chris_n2 hdl_laptop: am I missing something or does the 'aqbudgets' table mysteriously appear between commits 6fb8ef0d79cc145e0e227a9cd8a606c50ebcea84 and a3dfe58e014c316687fffdc1a38b4c7618ba5cfc ? 14:04 hdl_laptop hi cait 13:53 cait chris_n++ 13:39 * chris_n2 just had to post his $0.02 worth 13:31 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -1.4�C (8:28 AM EST on December 12, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa (Falling). 13:31 chris_n2 @wunder 28334 13:31 chris_n2 hi Ropuch 13:31 Ropuch Hi chris_n2 ;> 13:30 Ropuch Yup 13:19 * chris_n2 notes that ben has shown up again 11:25 Ropuch ;-)) 11:25 Ropuch http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ 11:13 Genji-Wireless okay, gotta sleep. mind fading in and out. night. 11:12 Genji-Wireless website down? 11:11 Ropuch Genji-Wireless: take a look at the progit book, really :) 11:09 Genji-Wireless I should be setting up my own git repo just for my own use, to manage versions. I actually have no idea how to start. 11:09 Ropuch ;> 11:08 cait I know that feeling 11:08 Ropuch I should start updating some websites, but learning git while testing & fixing koha code is much more interesting 11:05 Ropuch Whoa, it's 12 already 11:01 * cait is working on koha + virtualbox :) 10:50 * Ropuch is reading through http://progit.org/book 10:37 cait Guten morgen Ropuch :) 10:32 Ropuch Hi cait 10:28 Genji-Wireless chris++ 10:28 Genji-Wireless Night Chris. sleep well. 10:26 chris ok, time for sleep 10:26 chris highly likely 10:25 Genji-Wireless and no excuse to do so. I suspect the person that was doing this, just couldn't work out why reindexing was failing. 10:23 chris there is utterly no need to do so 10:23 chris yes 10:20 Genji-Wireless What of Zebrasrv? bad idea to run as root? 10:19 Genji back in a sec, switching to wireless. 10:19 chris running your apache threads as root, yep that's asking to be rootkitted 10:19 Genji no, not askign for a rootkit. 10:18 Genji huh. 10:17 chris or you are asking for a rootkit 10:17 chris but its child processes should be run as much lower privileged user 10:17 chris that has to be run as root, to bind to port 80 10:16 Genji i know, just checking. what about the seed process of an apache multithread? 10:09 chris running anything as root, unless you really really have to is a bad idea 10:08 Genji I didn't do it, it wasn't me. Im the one cleaning up after it. 10:07 Genji Right. 10:07 Ropuch It is bad idea ;> 10:06 Genji hey, can anyone confirm that its a bad idea having apache running as root? 09:52 chris thats up to the release manager 09:51 Ropuch When patches get into head? 09:49 * chris sends another patch .. productive day 09:48 chris Ropuch: of course .. who would sign with them if they told the truth? 09:48 chris might be 7, no one knows 09:46 Genji 5 people you say? 09:46 Ropuch chris: yet LL still poiints out no-vendor-lock-in as a feature of their produscts ;> 09:46 chris seems incredibly dangerous when it runs your core business 09:46 chris is they are now locked in to a small company, and if that company ceases to exist, they are stuck with an unsupportable product 09:45 Genji http://www.betanews.com/article/Fire-in-downtown-Seattle-data-center-knocks-out-businesses-online-services/1246640587 09:45 chris the main danger with LEK for libraries using it 09:44 Ropuch That's pretty immature ;-) 09:44 Genji Both have happened, in datacenter history. 09:44 Genji Can't wait for their datacenter to go kablooey, or net connections broken down... 09:43 Genji Right. Really against the spirit of gpl. 09:42 chris hence only offering it as hosted 09:42 chris hence why any liblime clients running koha on their own servers will not be given the opportunity to run lek, it would then have been distributed and they could also distribute it 09:41 Ropuch Genji: that the trick is 09:41 chris but not distributed 09:41 chris yes 09:41 Genji Yet LEK is gpl? 09:41 chris recreating that work on the other hand 09:40 chris probably could get sued 09:39 Genji So.... a staff member of Liblime could leak the entire source of LEK, and would have no backlash from it, except possibly loosing their job at liblime? 09:38 chris so by both counts (or by either) the point is moot 09:38 chris 2/ the code was still gpl'd just never released 09:38 chris 1/ the are working on evegreen not koha 09:35 Genji Fixing the same problems, the exact same way, adding features to opensource, the exact same way it was added in the propietary... 09:34 chris they were doing opensource for a long time before that, were still doing it, and left when it became clear they wouldnt be able to do it anymore ... i cant possibly see any taint 09:33 chris how would it taint? 09:33 chris not difficult at all 09:33 Genji how difficult is it to leave a company that made you do propietary work, to go do opensource, without tainting your new work? 09:32 chris yep, galen the release manager now works for ESI doing evegreen, and so does atz (joe atzberger) 09:32 Ropuch chris: didn't know that 09:31 * Ropuch is just reading through "Survey on open source integrated library system" 09:31 chris yeah, thats why 2 Koha developers left liblime to work on evergreen when liblime was making them do proprietary work 09:31 Genji Right. 09:31 chris like Koha 09:31 Ropuch AFAIK Evergreen is floss 09:30 chris Evergreen is free software 09:30 Ropuch No 09:30 chris hell no 09:30 Genji Evergreen is similar in philosophy to LEK? 09:30 Genji Evergreen 09:29 Genji One that begins with E... 09:29 Genji one sec, maybe wrong name... 09:29 Ropuch I'm afraid that part of libraries don't realy care if they're usuing open source or not 09:29 chris emerald? 09:29 Genji Whats the story about Emerald? same story as LEK? 09:28 chris shes also biblibre 09:28 Genji I wonder when Aspencat will say 'oops'. 09:26 Genji So, hence the ByWater increase... 09:25 chris heh, yeah i know who nicole is :) 09:25 Genji http://bywatersolutions.com/?page_id=6 09:24 Genji Nope.. but Engard, commenter 1, is ByWater 09:24 chris hi Ropuch 09:02 Ropuch Morning #koha 08:51 chris did brendan put a comment on? I cant see it? 08:51 chris ? 08:45 munin Genji: Karma for "liblime" has been increased 0 times and decreased 8 times for a total karma of -8. 08:45 Genji @karma liblime 08:45 Genji liblime-- 08:45 Genji ByWater++ 08:44 Genji Wow. that kicks butt, brendan. 08:35 brendan with that 08:35 brendan http://www.coloradolibraries.org/2009/12/07/aspencat-is-up-and-running-libraries-unite/#comments 07:55 CGI990 can any body help me? 07:45 CGI990 . 07:37 CGI990 what is the problem? 07:36 CGI990 ResultsConnection failed to z3950.loc.govNothing found. Try another search. 07:36 CGI990 z39.50 search is not working 07:32 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 24.0�C (12:20 PM IST on December 12, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 07:32 indradg @wunder kolkata 07:24 CGI990 hi 05:18 chris_n2 am I missing something or does the 'aqbudgets' table mysteriously appear between commits 6fb8ef0d79cc145e0e227a9cd8a606c50ebcea84 and a3dfe58e014c316687fffdc1a38b4c7618ba5cfc ? 04:49 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -3.6�C (11:43 PM EST on December 11, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Falling). 04:49 chris_n2 @wunder 28334 03:16 brendan evening chris_n2 02:56 chris_n2 evening 02:52 si that's why they measure it 02:51 si in the formal sense 02:51 si ohh, 63Kmh is a gale 02:49 brendan :) 02:49 si there's an upside to everything :-) 02:49 si no smog though 02:47 si http://www.wwa.org.nz/Weather/How windy is Wellington.htm 02:47 si Wellington averages 173 days a year with wind gusts greater than about 60 km/h or 32 knots. 02:46 brendan heh 02:46 si according to the met service site, we have 180 days a year where the wind is over 50Kmh 02:45 si yup, the windy city 02:45 brendan either 02:45 * si has no idea wither way 02:45 si as in, are they shooting here at all, or have they finished? 02:45 brendan don't they call wellington the windy city 02:45 si I've no idea 02:45 brendan do you know if they are still shooting the hobbit there? 02:45 si there were gusts forecast to 130Kmh 02:45 si been a pretty constant 60-80Kmh 02:44 brendan heh - rainy here 02:44 si windy 02:44 brendan how's your weekend going 02:43 si heya brendan 02:43 brendan hey si 02:43 si to search your history 02:42 si or if you use bash, you can do <ctrl-r>zeb 02:22 brendan later owen - enjoy the weekend 02:22 owen Okay, enough zebraing for me for tonight. Thanks brendan! 02:21 brendan instead of having to memorize that 02:21 brendan so you can easily copy and paste - the koha-zebra-ctl.sh start command 02:20 brendan at the command prompt, it will show you the last 300 or so commands you typed 02:20 brendan history 02:20 brendan is if you type 02:20 brendan one little trick that may help you out 02:20 brendan well for now when you turn your VM on -- just check to see if zebra is running 02:19 owen (following the Debian Lenny INSTALL file) 02:19 brendan looks right 02:19 owen What I have is /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon -> /home/oleonard/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh 02:17 brendan should point you to the koha-dev file 02:17 brendan ls -lh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-ctl.sh 02:16 brendan what do you get when you, 02:15 brendan you need to water, walk, and feed your zebra often 02:14 brendan ah - that makes sense 02:14 owen Yeah, I do see Zebra running, but I had to start the process from the command line. The daemon aparently didn't run 02:13 brendan s/seem/see 02:13 brendan if you seem more than one line -- your good 02:13 brendan ps -aef | grep zebra 02:13 brendan first I usually do this 02:12 owen I thought that was what I was doing when I ran "koha-zebra-ctl.sh start 02:12 brendan hmmm... 02:12 owen Hmmm... working now. But I'm not sure whether the fast index was really failing or not, because it turns out the zebra server wasn't running 02:07 munin brendan: Karma for "zebra" has been increased 2 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 0. 02:07 brendan @karma zebra 02:05 brendan zebra+- 01:59 owen Remind me next time to get zebra up and running *before* I import 10,000 records 01:57 * owen is trying it with -v 01:56 brendan -v ( is the more verbose) meaning you'll see more information as it runs 01:55 brendan -v 01:55 brendan next time you run it -- try rebuild_zebra.pl -b -v 01:55 brendan do you remember which user you identified as the zebrauser - during your install (Makefile.PL) 01:54 brendan -w (disables the shadow) 01:54 owen rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w 01:53 brendan what flags are you using? 01:53 owen I tried running it as the koha user and it finished without errors, but still no results from my search 01:52 owen No luck running it as oleonard: [warn] previous transaction did not finish (shadow disabled) 01:34 munin brendan: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 09:55 PM, June 11, 2009) 01:34 brendan @quote random 01:34 * brendan google maps 01:33 Genji Palmerston North 01:32 brendan Genji - where in NZ are you? 01:13 Genji Wow, ceo. cool. 01:12 brendan http://bywatersolutions.com 01:12 Genji brendan: what company? 01:11 brendan how many records do you have in your database 01:10 brendan owen - you know that's how we came up with the name for our company 01:10 owen I'm always surprised at how long it takes rebuild_zebra.pl 01:09 owen I have the books on the bookshelf behind me, does that count? 01:09 brendan a little call out to NZ :) 01:09 brendan background 01:08 * brendan has LOTR on in the backgrounf 01:08 * owen tries it 01:06 brendan you may need to put a sudo in front of that 01:06 brendan chown -R oleonard:oleonard /home/oleonard/koha-dev/var/lock/zebrabd/biblios 01:05 brendan ok so then -- it should be something liek this 01:05 Genji Ya, have you always run reindexing as the user that zebraserver is running on? 01:05 owen Yes 01:05 brendan errr... which user are you currently logged on as 01:04 brendan are you running the command as - the oleonard user? 01:04 brendan that a permissions issue 01:04 owen [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/home/oleonard/koha-dev/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied] 01:04 owen I struggling with a problem I know I've tackled before: I can't get the zebra fast index to work 01:04 brendan and also are you going to code4lib? 01:03 brendan owen - shoot away with your question 01:03 brendan :) 01:03 brendan zebra usually ends up everyones friday night 01:03 owen Hey brendan, Genji 01:03 brendan howdy owen 01:01 Genji Whats your question? 00:48 owen True there are many better things to think about on a Friday night 00:46 owen *sigh* Zebra question. Anyone? 00:08 pianohackr|work Good night