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23:57 masonj hiya jesse
23:36 pianohackr|work hi mason, joetho
22:49 rhcl_in_an_out well, I'm out...
22:45 rhcl_in_an_out Sorry, I don't know.
22:45 Ropuch I have fatal: patch contains a line longer than 998 characters while trying to git send-email, don't know if I should sent it in form of an attachement
22:43 rhcl_in_an_out I think that's right, anyway. I really like Wolfram Alpha
22:43 rhcl_in_an_out 11:41:14 am NZST | Wednesday, December 9, 2009
22:43 imp right
22:42 Ropuch It's about noon in NZ, isn't it?
22:41 rhcl_in_an_out chris should be on chat
22:41 munin rhcl_in_an_out: chris was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <chris> thats what the lol was for :)
22:41 rhcl_in_an_out @seen chris
22:41 dreece Having issues importing records/holdings.
22:41 dreece Yeah.. me too.
22:40 Ropuch Have some trouble with patch sending
22:40 Ropuch I hope someone will show soon
22:28 dreece Thanks :)
22:28 dreece haha
22:28 Ropuch They always do when I'm going to sleep ;>
22:28 Ropuch I think some devs and experienced users will arrive soon
22:24 dreece Is there anyone that can help me figure out the process for moving from Infocentre to Koha?
22:23 Ropuch Hi
22:23 dreece Howdy!
21:31 Ropuch hm- fatal: patch contains a line longer than 998 characters
21:30 pie heh :)
21:30 pie help /win 36
21:20 Genji ah, im not quotable yet, oh well.
21:20 munin Genji: No matching quotes were found.
21:20 Genji @quote search genji
21:02 owen Hmmm... sample serials data. That would be nice too.
21:00 |Lupin| good night all
20:51 owen Koha already runs slow enough, may not be worth it. But it would solve my divergent git branches problem in a different way
20:50 wizzyrea owen: idk why not, as long as you duplicate your vbox settings on both machines. Though, the pc -> mac thing might be problematic
20:43 * jdavidb waves
20:43 jdavidb (I was running it on an Asus EEE with only 512MB of ram..possibly a contributing factor. :P )
20:42 jdavidb It was slower than molasses, but it *ran*.
20:41 jdavidb :)
20:41 jdavidb virtualbox.
20:41 owen jdavidb: What VM software?
20:40 jdavidb yup. using a thumb as the filesystem for koha, and also on a virtual disk that was stored on a thumb drive.
20:40 jwagner jdavidb, didn't you do a Koha install on a thumb drive?
20:39 owen PC -> Mac, though
20:39 owen wizzyrea: I wondered if I could carry my vbox image on a thumb drive between work and home
20:38 cait 3 weeks in india, wow
20:38 wizzyrea mine seemed to be broken after moving the vbox image to a new computer
20:38 owen Thanks wizzyrea. I shut down this machine every night so I don't suppose I'll run into it. (Makes it hard to maintain a screen session on it ;)
20:37 wizzyrea dk why it was bustid but that fixed it
20:37 |Lupin| cait: will in two weeks I'll be away in India for three weeks, so if it's not done before it will have to wait till I'm back... but it's true that if there are some bugs in head, it may not be wise either to merge now...
20:37 wizzyrea owen: in case you ever come across what I just did with your virtualbox (ssh -p 2222 localhost -> connection refused) just restart ssh on your guest machine (/etc/init.d/ssh restart)
20:36 |Lupin| cait: ohoh...
20:36 wizzyrea no clue
20:36 cait |Lupin| perhaps wait a little longer, I think there are some bigger bugs to be fixed
20:35 Genji is it safe to cache C4::Biblio::get_biblio_authorised_values?
20:35 |Lupin| I think this is not gonna e an obvious task so I'll keep it for the week-end
20:35 |Lupin| wizzyrea: I can't test for now because I'll have to merge our branch with the latest head to test...
20:35 |Lupin| wizzyrea: I know it exists !
20:34 owen ...and why does it work *after* you search through the main "search patrons" form?
20:34 owen I don't get it...why doesn't a patron search work if you start from the "filter" form?
20:32 wizzyrea |Lupin| did you get what you needed?
20:31 |Lupin| thanks anyway cait & wizzyrea
20:31 wizzyrea mornin jransom
20:31 jransom about to start testing 3.2
20:31 cait good morning jransom
20:31 jransom morning all
20:31 cait ok, now im confused g
20:31 wizzyrea j/k
20:31 wizzyrea ;)
20:31 wizzyrea triple padlock
20:31 wizzyrea the search field doesn't seem to work
20:31 cait jinx?
20:30 wizzyrea there is a text input box right above the Library and CategoryCode Dropdowns (terminology fix needed there too)
20:30 cait there is a drop down for branches and category codes and a search field
20:30 |Lupin| the filter box isnot a drop-down menu where you choose a branch ?
20:30 |Lupin| ah !
20:30 wizzyrea ooh, yea, the filter box doesn't work by itself
20:29 cait |Lupin| the solutio is: put * in both search fields - top and filter
20:29 wizzyrea *there
20:29 wizzyrea wonder if regular searches work like that... there may be a bug ther
20:29 wizzyrea yes, ty cait
20:28 cait but you found out :)
20:28 cait funny
20:28 wizzyrea bottom one did
20:28 wizzyrea top one didn't work
20:28 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/MGFjZGM3Ym
20:27 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/ZTE1NDkxZW
20:26 wizzyrea weird
20:26 wizzyrea then add the filter
20:26 wizzyrea you have to put it at the top
20:26 wizzyrea yes, interestingly, you can't just put it in the little filter text entry box
20:25 |Lupin| you can see a list of all users
20:25 |Lupin| even before the filter patch
20:25 wizzyrea hm
20:25 |Lupin| * worked for me
20:25 wizzyrea no on *
20:25 wizzyrea no on %
20:25 cait or *
20:25 wizzyrea ooh, will check that
20:25 owen wizzyrea, cait, what about '%' ?
20:24 cait oh, perhaps its a bug ;)
20:24 wizzyrea cait: I tried that, my test didn't work :(
20:24 cait would an empty search and restriction work?
20:23 wizzyrea something = patron
20:23 wizzyrea |lupin| unfortunately, with the filter, you can restrict your search for something to a specific branch, but you can't show everybody from that branch, unless there's some magic search string that makes that work
20:21 |Lupin| hey galen ! nice to see you around, congras for all the commits !
20:21 owen gmcharlt: I'll mention that to CGI952 if he returns
20:20 gmcharlt ;)
20:20 jwagner I'm sure the ASPCA appreciates that.
20:20 gmcharlt (though if any A.I.s want to join the fun, I suppose we can make an exception)
20:20 gmcharlt jwagner: yes! we're quite proud of the fact that we test only on people!!!!
20:19 jwagner But, gmcharlt, it raises the question -- does "humane work environment" mean they don't test code on puppies and kittens? Just on people???
20:18 cait lol
20:18 gmcharlt heh - anyone should feel free to go the other direction, as well
20:17 jwagner Although the "humane work environment" might be a draw....
20:16 jwagner Blame gmcharlt! blame gmcharlt!
20:16 owen Hands down everyone, you're not going anywhere!
20:16 chris thats what the lol was for :)
20:16 owen Wow, Equinox raiding the Koha devel list for devs!
20:14 |Lupin| cait: i see, thans. Will have to rebase our stuff on top of that,I'm sure it's gonna be big fun
20:12 cait |Lupin| I think its in the big merge from biblibre galen did some days ago
20:12 chris it also means schools
20:12 |Lupin| cait: hmm ?
20:12 chris it can
20:12 Ropuch chris: so 'kura' means treasure?
20:12 cait |Lupin| its in a newer update to head,
20:11 |Lupin| wizzyrea: is this part of what has been committed recently, or is that older ?
20:11 wizzyrea you can filter by library
20:11 |Lupin| cait: we are running master HEAD, or not too far from that...
20:11 wizzyrea that does appear to be possible in current head
20:11 wizzyrea oh, actually, cait is right
20:10 cait I think this may be possible in 3.2
20:10 wizzyrea not that I am aware of, but I haven't gone looking either
20:10 |Lupin| It'b nice to be able to limit patron search to a site...
20:10 |Lupin| wizzyrea: hmm... no easier way ?
20:09 wizzyrea |Lupin| I'm sure you could run a custom report to get that info
20:09 * wizzyrea passes out
20:08 * wizzyrea bonks herself with an iron frying pan: "oh, the marketingspeak has infiltrated my brain!"
20:08 |Lupin| my librarian asks me hther it is possible to see all members of one given site... anybody knows, pls ?
20:08 wizzyrea Global leader in open source solutions for libraries?
20:07 Genji Reads like Liblime's website.
20:07 Genji http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibLime
20:06 jwagner I'm testing the Smithsonian library -- I know it used to work but it doesn't now. Their setup page has the same address & port number, but doesn't specify database name, and their tech person doesn't seem to know what it is.
20:06 cait guten Abend :)
20:06 |Lupin| guten Abend cait :)
20:06 cait hi |Lupin|
20:05 |Lupin| hello there :)
20:05 nengard hmm
20:05 jwagner joetho, no luck with any of those variations.
20:04 owen nengard: No luck with the batch item modifications for me either
20:02 chris pinepine te kura, hau te kura = the treasue is small, the treasue is famous
20:01 joetho jwagner , try dynix or dynixa too.
20:00 joetho jwagner , try Horizon with a cap then lowercase.
19:57 wizzyrea Yay song of the day!
19:57 chris song of the day http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/Pukaea+The+Trumpet/10794194
19:57 wizzyrea lol
19:57 nengard i'll forget to read the note :) hehe
19:57 nengard notes are no good to me
19:56 nengard hehe
19:54 wizzyrea also an excellent plan
19:54 nengard wizzyrea I'll send a message via the mailing list for them to answer when they're awake tomorrow and we're sound asleep :)
19:54 wizzyrea eh will make a note and ask tomorrow maybe
19:54 cait its late here - 9pm
19:54 chris its about 8pm there, unlikely to be anyone around
19:53 nengard yeah - was hoping one of them was here and would see what we were asking :) not sure who at biblibre is still on - and/or at work
19:52 chris everyone else is just guessing
19:51 chris i think its best to just ask the people who wrote it
19:50 nengard anyone else know any differently?
19:49 nengard a database update - but no template updates ...
19:49 nengard wizzyrea - this is all i can find: http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha&a=search&h=HEAD&st=grep&s=OpacPrivacy
19:49 wizzyrea seems likely
19:48 wizzyrea i was all excited ;)
19:48 nengard maybe we're just missing a template file
19:48 wizzyrea if ON, allows patrons to define their privacy rules (reading history) *description, not clear. :(
19:47 nengard he started it at kohacon
19:47 nengard that's what paul was developing it to do
19:47 nengard me too
19:47 wizzyrea I thought it would clear your reading history
19:47 wizzyrea or at least, not what I was expecting it to.
19:47 wizzyrea ohh, hm, that does not do what it says it does
19:46 nengard which - search history - or the preference?
19:46 wizzyrea setting is on
19:46 wizzyrea interesting
19:46 wizzyrea hmm I 'm not seeing that
19:46 nengard naything = anything
19:46 chris phasefx: you about? :)
19:46 nengard but I don't know howto change my privacy settings ... i turned it on but don't see naything in the opac
19:46 nengard and - there is a 'search history' link at the top of the OPAC on the right
19:45 chris lol
19:44 nengard turn it on
19:44 nengard wizzyrea - OpacPrivacy system preference
19:44 nengard i would think there is a sys pref as well
19:43 cait should be in opac I think, I only saw the patches (no test installation atm...)
19:43 cait hi chris
19:43 nengard welcome back
19:42 chris back
19:42 nengard oh yeah - i remember that ... is that is the current head?
19:42 cait I think there is a new feature for reading history
19:42 nengard or do you mean messaging preferences?
19:41 nengard patrons can't change those ...
19:41 nengard privacy settings?
19:40 wizzyrea in current head
19:39 wizzyrea hey, where can a patron change their OPAC Privacy settings?
19:39 cait http://spedr.com/4e05u
19:39 cait dont know if there is one, but in irspy there are many with db = horizon
19:37 jwagner I tried HORIZON but it didn't work.
19:37 jwagner Speaking of z39.50, does anyone know the default database name for a Horizon catalog?
19:29 joetho must be some good sh**
19:29 jwagner My memory from several years ago (dunno what's current) is that the z39.50 connection is actually MORE costly than their client -- you're charged by the hitlist because they have no good way to track which record(s) you actually download.
19:28 gmcharlt joetho: ask the dealer^W source
19:27 joetho wow, I am talkin street talk
19:27 joetho do they charge for z39 "hits"?
19:26 joetho yes, we get charged every time we use it for other stuff
19:26 jwagner Nope. Gotta pay for OCLC.
19:25 joetho uh oh, I assumed it allowed anonymous
19:23 jwagner joetho, did you include the account ID/password in the z39.50 setup? It's required.
19:20 joetho hmmm. Maybe I misspelled something. Lord knows I know how to misspell stuff!
19:19 jwagner joetho, the info on that page works for me -- I've always connected OK.
19:19 joetho your link is US, mine was worldwide. Same info
19:18 joetho jwagner , that's where I have been getting my info, albfeit from the worldwide version, not the US version
19:18 jwagner No holidays in that time span, so it shouldn't matter.
19:18 gmcharlt are you taking holidays into account, though?
19:17 jwagner So it's not including the grace period. That's what I needed to check. Thanks.
19:16 gmcharlt yep
19:16 jwagner gmcharlt, I always have trouble counting up days for overdue, but I think the grace period is not being included in the total fines. I made something due on the 1st, with a 1 day grace period and a $1/day fine. Running the fines cron today came up with a total of $6 in fines. If it were including the grace period day, shouldn't it be $7?
19:15 cait ah pootle is back :)
19:13 schuster Every time I print it to show acq, date added, price etc. it shows me a blank form or only shows things that are drop downs.
18:57 cait hi #koha
18:56 chris ok bus time, bbl
18:52 chris but id have to look at the code jwagner
18:52 chris i would expect 3
18:50 chris and provides a consistent api so instead of koha needing to understand all that, it just needs to understand CAS
18:50 jwagner Fines question for people -- if the circ rule specifies a one-day grace period, and the item is, say, four days overdue, does it charge four days' worth of fines or only three?
18:50 chris so you can have CAS server, that talks in the back to a RADIUS system over here, windows active directory over there, LDAP over somewhere else, maybe x509 too
18:48 chris its LDAP done right
18:48 chris CAS is cool as hell tho
18:47 chris the way the code is now, its going to require that module even if it doesn't use it
18:47 chris wizzyrea: ill send a patch so that it doesnt require the CAS unless you have the syspref on
18:46 chris morning all
18:45 gmcharlt hi brendan
18:31 brendan howdy gmcharlt
18:17 nengard yup
18:16 wizzyrea anyway
18:16 wizzyrea but I still had to install the dependency before I could do that
18:16 wizzyrea oh good. I disabled all of that CAS stuff
18:15 nengard wizzyrea yeah I had that problem too
18:10 wizzyrea blerg.
18:10 wizzyrea installed it and now it's working again.
18:10 wizzyrea that's a fancy way of saying it no worky.
18:10 wizzyrea erroeur
18:10 wizzyrea owen: interestingly, I could not get it to even load it without that dependency
18:04 owen But you can turn off the CAS stuff in system preferences
18:03 owen It was in an email from Colin: There was an added dependency - Authen::CAS::Client
18:00 wizzyrea i can't find it in my transcripts. Suppose I could look at the online logs
18:00 wizzyrea bleh, we were discussing CAS yesterday, I just updated and I apparently need it, which module do I install?
17:55 veryinky_ In any event, woke up this morning from a dream about a space based rpg which didn't exist. So I'm thinking about that instead of actual work.
17:51 nengard off to make something soothing for lunch :)
17:51 nengard whew - i'm soo tired now - just finished a 2 hour demo - first time speaking that much since getting the sinus infection .. now no more talking for the rest of today :)
17:50 veryinky_ I was 8. :|
17:49 * jdavidb did that a lot.
17:47 rhcl_in_an_out oh yes, typing in code published in magazines...
17:46 veryinky_ I think the first thing I wrote was a lemonaid stand game, from a magazine tutorial.
17:46 jdavidb rhcl: It wasn't object-oriented, and that's just before OO programming came out. By the time Modula-2 would have gotten a good foothold, OOP was more-important.
17:46 rhcl_in_an_out Caldo de Pollo for lunch....
17:46 jdavidb I started out on the VIC-20, but I had programmed Atari 2600 BASIC a little before that.
17:45 rhcl_in_an_out Yea, I remember Modula-2 being highly regarded when it was introduced. Wonder why it never became more popular?
17:45 Ropuch atari basic & logo ;-P
17:45 veryinky_ 2.0
17:45 veryinky_ I learned how to program using turboC
17:45 jdavidb Modula-2 was a teaching language that added to Pascal in some useful ways, but it never caught on.
17:44 jdavidb Pascal is very good for teaching structure. If you learn to do something in Pascal, you can eventually do it in almost any other language, and it'll be very maintainable.
17:44 rhcl_in_an_out first day of class, I mean
17:43 rhcl_in_an_out My Pascal teacher was Armenian--first day he had just gotten back from a protest march at Washington DC - capitol. But he was a good teacher and Pascal didn't seem that hard.
17:43 veryinky_ Once tried to port a pascal project into c++. Gave up half way.
17:43 veryinky_ I remember and hate pascal.
17:43 * jdavidb <3 XKCD.
17:42 rhcl_in_an_out funy link
17:41 jdavidb I started out with Pascal, and learned a half-dozen others in college--was the lab instructor for Fortran, COBOL, and Modula-2, one term--the *same* term.
17:40 jdavidb or Lisp, even: http://xkcd.com/224/
17:40 rhcl_in_an_out I still think Ada would be the best alternative port.
17:40 * veryinky_ did study RPG, COBOL, REXX, and some other stuff back in college.
17:40 jdavidb If you're gonna write it in a difficult language, use COBOL. Or Fortran, even.
17:39 rhcl_in_an_out According to wikipedia, RPG is still "popular" on IBM mainframes.
17:39 * veryinky_ hehs. Surprisingly enough, you're not the first to do a report program generator joke.
17:39 jdavidb now, there are heretics, and there is rhcl_in_an_out.
17:39 rhcl_in_an_out Yea, I know. I just took off on the RPG part. :)
17:38 Ropuch Maybe he was talking about some kind of role-playing?
17:37 rhcl_in_an_out Wonder if you could port Koha to RPG?
17:36 rhcl_in_an_out rpg was my very first programming class. Big mistake. All I remember is that you write it from right to left and it's very structured.
17:00 wizzyrea (it's snowing and I don't want to drive half an hour to test this theory)
16:59 wizzyrea or does a human still have to do step 3?
16:59 wizzyrea I wonder if anyone knows the answer to this question: I know the SIP server logic 1. Checks items in 2. notices and can print slips for holds but does it 3. confirm the holds?
16:56 owen Has someone already wished to be able to hook the results of a guided report to the new batch modification tool?
16:42 wizzyrea (I'm thinking of doing the same for the transit slips)
16:42 wizzyrea has anybody had complaints about the method applied to the circ receipts?
16:42 wizzyrea lol
16:42 owen Librarians also have a thing about not knowing how to use a keyboard
16:41 wizzyrea yourself
16:41 wizzyrea this just keeps you from having to close the window
16:41 wizzyrea the automatic print depends on the configuration of firefox
16:41 owen Librarians have a thing about not wanting to click stuff
16:41 wizzyrea jwagner: well, actually
16:41 kf bye #koha
16:40 jwagner wizzyrea, I think it would be great if all the slips had the option to print completely automatically -- no manual intervention (even a click) required. Right now, you still have to click on the OK button to print. Staff hate that. But it should be an option, because some people will want to see the slip first.
16:39 * owen is neutral, not being a user of transit slips
16:27 wizzyrea )
16:27 wizzyrea (the circ slip already does it
16:27 wizzyrea (i know, this really ought to be a syspref)
16:27 wizzyrea anyone: objections to making transit slip open/print/close?
15:58 kf yes, owen++ :)
15:58 hdl_laptop owen++ for the Cart
15:57 hdl_laptop would also work for MARC21. you can add whatever you want
15:57 kf thx hdl_laptop
15:55 kf only for UNIMARC?
15:55 hdl_laptop then you can use that so that it is desiplayed in detail view even though you are not using XSLT
15:55 hdl_laptop and want to name it subtitle
15:55 hdl_laptop If you need to display or name a particuliar set of tags/subfields, in UNIMARC 200$e for subtitles,
15:54 kf not sure I understand it
15:54 hdl_laptop and implements a kind of extended attribute type for records.
15:53 hdl_laptop It fixed the way subtitles are managed
15:53 kf oh, never seen that - perhaps we skipped this feature? went from 3.0 to 3.1
15:52 hdl_laptop kf it is also in 3.0
15:50 kf its a new 3.2 features, but not sure how this works
15:50 kf can someone explain what keyword-to-marc-mapping does?
15:46 owen Woe to he who deletes a biblio which is in his cart
15:46 owen Interesting... A new "delete all items" menu item on the staff client biblio view menu
15:32 kf jwagner: thx :)
15:23 jwagner There's another patch I may do -- for corporate authors, there appears to be no punctuation or separation between subfields in the same entry. For example, 110 or 710 subfield a and subfield b run together.
15:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3788 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, XSLT does not obey viewISBD syspref
15:22 jwagner Sorry, Bug 3788 -- I'm dyslexic with numbers sometimes.
15:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3877 was not found.
15:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3750 enhancement, P5, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Modify XSLT to display subfield n of 111/711 and remove period after 110/710
15:21 jwagner kf, I don't know what might be in the latest head (haven't updated to it yet). From my list, Bug 3750 and Bug 3877 are XSLT-related patches that hadn't made it into head as of a couple of weeks ago. I think the rest of my XSLT stuff was already in head.
15:13 kf brendan: I wanted to start with opac xslt, jwagner sent some patches for this file, not sure what went into head yet
15:12 brendan ok I may poke at it during the week and will send any work I get done
15:12 kf brendan: not sure when I will have time to do it, so I would be happy if you want to work on it
15:11 brendan I haven't done anything yet either :)
15:11 brendan kf great
15:10 kf brendan: I offered paul_p (at least I think it was him) to work on a MARC21 xslt for intranet - but had no time yet :(
15:10 brendan hi kf
15:10 kf hi brendan
15:05 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 1.6�C (7:00 AM PST on December 08, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising).
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14:59 jdavidb yabetcha. :)
14:59 nengard thanks jdavidb - seems to be working
14:50 * veryinky_ nods. Did that. Was just annoyed at myself for skipping a step. I do that too often.
14:43 kf veryinky_: for staff patrons you must set permissions in the next step, so they can log into the staff interface
14:38 * veryinky_ had created some in the previous install. To be honest though, I hadn't associated staff with borrowers or patrons.
14:36 veryinky_ kf, thanks. That was the problem. I hadn't created any borrower categories.
14:36 jdavidb rebuild_zebra.pl -r -w -a -b -v is what I usually use.
14:36 nengard i'm just not lucky today at all
14:36 nengard okay all - can you please tell me what command to use to rebuild zebra - I have to be doing something wrong ... .
14:35 kf veryinky_: new button will give you a pull down of your categories - create a category for staff for another admin account
14:34 veryinky_ I'm trying to create an admin acount for my boss, didn't think he would be a borrower, will make some categories now.
14:33 kf ah, should scroll down first
14:33 * veryinky_ nods. I was using http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/patrons
14:33 kf verinky: have you defined borrower categories?
14:32 veryinky_ So this is frustrating.
14:32 veryinky_ I could add patrons back in 3.0.0 and 3.0.2
14:31 nengard a working copy of the manual can be found here: http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=kohadocs;a=summary
14:31 veryinky_ er, patron button that is
14:31 veryinky_ Hrm. I can add vendors, I can add books, I can add marc files. But the (+New v) vendor button doesn't work.
14:31 nengard the manual on koha.org is a bit better -but also not up to date
14:30 owen veryinky_: Yes, kohadocs.org isn't current
14:29 hdl_laptop But better than nothing
14:29 hdl_laptop Should be improved and take C4::Matcher rule
14:29 magnusenger hdl_laptop: nice!
14:28 hdl_laptop -match parameter
14:28 hdl_laptop magnusenger: a simple deduplication can be done with latest bulkmarcimport.
14:28 hdl_laptop nengard: cool.
14:27 veryinky_ I'm trying to add a new patron, version 3.0.4, in the staff client, I click on Patrons, then I'm in Koha > Patrons, but clicking on +New does nothing.
14:27 nengard 8 MARC records done in 0.115814924240112 seconds
14:27 nengard ........
14:27 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -file all.mrc -a
14:27 nengard OH MY!!
14:25 nengard hang on - i'll ftp file to the server and try again
14:25 nengard hmmmm
14:23 magnusenger nengard: perl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -file doesntexist -v 1 gives me "0 MARC records done in 0.0120010375976562 seconds"
14:22 magnusenger nengard: i have tried bulkmarcimport.pl'ing the same file several times now and i get "1 MARC records done" each time, nothing about duplicates
14:21 veryinky_ kohadocs.org is a bit out of date. version 2.2
14:20 Ropuch I have tested bulkauthimport on plain install of 3.2 head
14:20 nengard i have no authorities loaded - and i have gotten that error everytime - so i'm not sure how i could be loading dups
14:19 magnusenger nengard: are you sure you are feeding it the right file? giving it a non-existing file seems to result in "0 MARC records done", not an error...
14:18 magnusenger nengard: i have a current test (with some additions for normarc) where importing with bulkmarcimport.pl works fine
14:14 kf but I have not test system for current head yet
14:13 kf I know we can import authorities, using 3.01.00.061
14:07 nengard and marc21?
14:07 nengard anyone else have a problem with the current version of head?
14:07 nengard only the one :(
14:07 nengard i don't have a diff system
14:06 jwagner nengard, do you have another system running a different (earlier) version of head? And do the records import OK there?
14:06 hdl_laptop owen: I think so.
14:05 nengard so frustrating - i wish there was an error message of sorts - something that would help me
14:05 jdavidb Took quite a bit longer to do nothing that time.
14:05 nengard 0 MARC records done in 0.00573086738586426 seconds
14:05 nengard Characteristic MARC flavour: MARC21
14:05 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -file /Users/nengard/Desktop/Samples/authority/personalname/all.mrc -v 2
14:04 nengard will do now
14:04 magnusenger nengard: tried the "-v 2" option to bulkmarcimport.pl?
14:03 nengard one i need to figure out how to get them to update
14:03 nengard here's one: http://koha.pastebin.com/m33bc0f00
14:02 magnusenger ok, that's probably not it then...
14:02 nengard magnusenger - i can do that - but i've tried with several - one from LOC, one from someone else using Koha and then the batch from ata
14:02 magnusenger nengard: how about pastebin'ing the authority, perhaps there's something wrong with it?
14:01 jdavidb Exactly! Precision is very important!
14:01 owen jdavidb: Someone traveling back in time to prevent themselves from importing authority records would need accurate records of the event
14:00 jdavidb Gee, can the script be any more precise on that time, please? Imma file a bug report on that.
13:59 nengard 0 MARC records done in 0.000648975372314453 seconds
13:59 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -file /Users/nengard/Desktop/Samples/authority/personalname/all.mrc -a
13:59 nengard magnusenger - nope:
13:59 owen bulkmarcimport.pl -a is now preferable to bulkauthimport.pl?
13:58 magnusenger nengard: misc/migration_tools/bulk*MARC*import.pl, not misc/migration_tools/bulkauthimport.pl ?
13:56 nengard I get Unknown option: a
13:53 nengard ?
13:53 nengard misc/migration_tools/bulkauthimport.pl -file /Users/nengard/Desktop/Samples/authority/personalname/all.mrc -a
13:52 nengard wait - where does the -a go?
13:52 nengard hdl you rock!! Thank you - off to give that a whirl
13:52 hdl_laptop nengard: bulkmarcimport in 3.2 has -a option to import authorities
13:46 owen Oh cool, hadn't made it through my mail yet
13:45 nengard owen - read the koha list - ata has a set of sample authorities you can import (you were asking for that right?)
13:33 nengard :)
13:30 jwagner May have to do something about that...
13:30 nengard jwagner - nope - but i'd love to see it
13:29 kf jwagner: we use command line tools, its an automated process, importing records from our union catalog every night
13:29 jwagner It's really needed, I think.
13:28 jwagner Has anyone written an interface from the staff client to authority import yet?
13:27 kf we import auth-records into koha nightly
13:27 kf hm, it looks ok for me
13:26 kf thats cool
13:25 nengard search for Nicole Engard
13:25 nengard I'm importing my own authority record :)
13:25 nengard 0 MARC record done in 3.09944152832031e-06 seconds
13:25 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools$ perl bulkauthimport.pl -file /Users/nengard/Desktop/Pwebrecon\(2\).mrc -v
13:25 Ropuch *point
13:25 Ropuch nengard: can you pint me to the authority you're trying to import?
13:24 Ropuch nengard: add -v 2 at the ond of command
13:24 nengard it says zero
13:24 kf rename the file to mrc
13:24 nengard 0 MARC record done in 0.000335931777954102 seconds
13:24 Ropuch rebuild zebra and it's in
13:24 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools$ perl bulkauthimport.pl -file /Users/nengard/Desktop/Pwebrecon\(2\).cgi
13:24 Ropuch ./bulkauthimport.pl -file ~/Pobrane/Pwebrecon.cgi
13:23 Ropuch ./bulkauthimport.pl -file ~/Pobrane/Pwebrecon.cg
13:21 Ropuch MARC(UNICODE/UTF8)
13:21 nengard I'll try again
13:21 nengard which file type did you export?
13:21 Ropuch (Loc auth)
13:21 Ropuch nengard: I can import them with no problem
13:18 nengard Ropuch, it's for the English version of the manual - so I kind of need some English authorities - which is why I was using the LOC records - which you can export - but for some reason they wouldn't import
13:17 Ropuch I can export some authorities for you (in polish only)
13:16 Ropuch nengard: how many do you want? ;>
13:14 nengard yup
13:13 Ropuch nengard: you still looking for authorities to import?
12:34 nengard howdy Ropuch
12:34 Ropuch^ Hello nengard
11:57 kf lunch
11:24 kf greenmang0: they are all sleeping now, so mailing list is a good suggestion, you will reach more people there too
11:23 kf greenmang0: I think its mainly used in nz
11:23 greenmang0 kf: ok :(
11:23 kf Genji: I think it sounds right
11:22 kf greenmang0: i have no experience with kete
11:22 greenmang0 anybody here who can help me with kete?
11:19 Susan-dev :) Best to everyone,
11:18 Susan-dev Will do. Ok I am off for now, Thanks alot Genji. Hvae a good night. I hope you find someone to help you greenmang, try the koha dev mailing list
11:17 greenmang0 kf: ever tried kete?
11:17 Genji kf: what you think?
11:17 Genji since -b -a -z is doing its job.
11:17 Genji And, I think..... disable zebra-queue..
11:17 Susan-dev Appreciate it
11:17 Susan-dev I will follow that crontab example you sent. Thanks for your help.
11:16 Susan-dev I will..
11:16 Genji so, put rebuild_zebra -b -a -z inside koha's crontab, maybe every 5 minutes.
11:16 greenmang0 Genji: any experience with kete?
11:16 Genji yup. You haven't changed anything recently.
11:16 Susan-dev Thanks everyone :)
11:15 Susan-dev because there are no new recorsd
11:15 Susan-dev it says 0 records exported on both
11:15 Susan-dev - z works fine
11:13 greenmang0 :D
11:13 greenmang0 greenmang0:
11:13 greenmang0 Susan-dev: i am /me
11:13 Susan-dev sorry greenmang, for me I don't know about kete :)
11:12 greenmang0 anybody??? with kete???
11:12 Susan-dev ok
11:12 Genji rebuild_zebra -b -a -z
11:12 Genji Try it now, as koha.
11:12 Susan-dev can't remember..
11:12 Susan-dev no I think it does not like the option..
11:12 Genji ... Like it, before or after the user change?
11:12 Susan-dev hehe
11:12 Susan-dev my zebra does not like it
11:11 Susan-dev before yes
11:11 Genji ah Susan-dev.. you've tried -z before huh?
11:11 kf only -a -b will index all records - -z will only index updated from zebra_queue table as far as I know
11:11 Susan-dev You have a pm Genji. -z does not work for me..
11:10 greenmang0 can anybody tell me how to configure zebra for kete??
11:10 Genji Or is it -z.... one second.
11:10 * Genji nods. "only -a -b"
11:10 kf Genji: a second?
11:09 Susan-dev so only -a -b
11:09 Susan-dev we have close to 3000 books
11:09 Genji kf: its a second right?
11:09 kf ah sorry :)
11:09 * Genji nods. "For big libraries that have more than 30 transactions a second... use zebra_rebuild, without the -r
11:09 Susan-dev ok, koha it is :) Thanks genji
11:08 Genji edit it to suit. And koha crons should be running as koha.
11:08 kf its recommended to use rebuild_zebra, not zebra_queue
11:08 Susan-dev ok thats perfect
11:07 Genji http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:cronjobs
11:07 Genji I believe this stuff:
11:07 Susan-dev the fines? the overdues? and what else?
11:07 Susan-dev ok, so now what do I need in my nice crontab
11:06 Genji Its created to watch a table called zebraqueue, for updates.
11:06 Susan-dev when I first installed koha
11:06 Susan-dev ...ummm....oh right I remember I did that step along time ago
11:06 Genji its run as a daemon, started in init.d
11:05 Genji ps aux | grep 'zebra'
11:05 Genji type:
11:05 Susan-dev and who is running it??
11:05 Susan-dev where is this zebra-queue running
11:05 Genji hardly ever.
11:05 Susan-dev for something to be returned to be on the result page??
11:05 Genji nope.
11:05 Susan-dev I am confused genji..don't I have to do rebuild zebra????
11:04 Genji zebra-queue indexed it.
11:04 Susan-dev .....>-<!!
11:04 Susan-dev I commented out the root crontab
11:04 Genji Promise me, don't got to Liblime Enterprise Koha.
11:04 Susan-dev how did it index this new marc record
11:04 Susan-dev .....wait actually
11:04 Genji Just don't pick Liblime Koha.
11:04 Genji ....
11:04 Susan-dev -_-
11:04 Susan-dev now the next time I go to the library for training, I will hear, "its useless, its buggy, I want millenium:"
11:03 Genji We fixed it?
11:03 Susan-dev yay! :) it works great
11:02 Susan-dev :)
11:02 Susan-dev oh genji, if you only knew
11:02 Genji Hmm.. okay, so the librarian has trouble learning the rules of data entry, don't click back..
11:02 Susan-dev I am getting tired...
11:02 Susan-dev you never nkow..
11:01 Susan-dev you know never hehehe
11:01 Susan-dev WEll genji, a user always clicks Back :)
11:01 Susan-dev thats promising, I guess the librarian changed something on the record before and thats why it saved multiple instancnes
11:01 Susan-dev is this a duplicate ?
11:01 Susan-dev oh...it says Duplicate Record suspected
11:01 Genji why would you do that?
11:00 Susan-dev now click SAVE again
11:00 Susan-dev I will not create an item, RATHER i will click the BACK BUTTON
11:00 Susan-dev clicked save
10:59 Susan-dev so I just created a marc record
10:58 Genji Via AJAX, or just plain javascript.
10:58 Genji or have the click cause some feedback to occur... like "Saving Marc record...."
10:57 Susan-dev let me see if that happens or not
10:57 Susan-dev and click save on it multiple times
10:57 Genji I'd suggest causing save to lock the save button, until the page reloads for the next input, via javascript,,, and just start the db over, since you have only 12 records.
10:57 Susan-dev you know, let me try with a new record
10:55 Susan-dev booooo
10:55 Susan-dev why does save , STILL save eventhough it exists in the db
10:55 Genji hmm?
10:55 Susan-dev it has 3 records of the MARC record instannce
10:55 Susan-dev its mysql
10:55 Susan-dev its not zebra
10:55 Susan-dev oko so now narrowed it even more
10:54 Susan-dev give me a minute, gotta go to webmin
10:54 Susan-dev now, let me just check the mysql to see how many actual records are there
10:54 Genji So, did it work?
10:54 Susan-dev but its stil the only machine thats working properly, thats why I am scared of screwing it up
10:54 * Genji nods.
10:53 Susan-dev its still not used right now
10:53 Susan-dev It does not have a lot of data..
10:53 Genji Oh, you just started the database?
10:52 Susan-dev let me see mysql and how many records there are
10:52 Susan-dev it says 12 records
10:52 Susan-dev ok for biblios
10:52 * Genji usually relies on tab completion.
10:52 Genji good catch.
10:52 Genji right.
10:52 Genji woops.
10:51 Susan-dev right?
10:51 Susan-dev i think rebuild_zebra.pl
10:51 Susan-dev cant find perl script
10:50 * Genji nods. "good."
10:49 Susan-dev I am user koha
10:49 Genji doublecheck its being done under koha.
10:49 Susan-dev ok let me try
10:49 Genji perl -I/usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra -b -a -r
10:49 Susan-dev ok
10:48 Genji then type this, exactly.
10:48 Genji first.
10:48 Genji su koha
10:48 Genji wait!
10:48 Susan-dev now I will do rebuild adn see what happens..pray for me :D
10:48 Susan-dev so right now I finished doing the /var/lib/koha to be owned by koha:koha
10:48 kf ah sorry
10:48 Susan-dev its a root crontab
10:48 Susan-dev but the reality is the only crontab that has the rebuild functionality is under ROOT
10:47 Susan-dev well honestly I really don't know..when we did ps -ex it says everything is owned by root
10:47 Susan-dev if I look at the mysql db it has only 1 marc record representing the culprint
10:47 Genji As root user? or koha user?
10:47 Susan-dev and I don't know why
10:47 Susan-dev and it still gives me duplicate records
10:47 Susan-dev I did a complete rebuild with -r option
10:46 Susan-dev if I click it
10:46 Susan-dev its fine, save just stays on the same page
10:46 Susan-dev no
10:46 Genji Thats what Susan-dev's case is. Librarian, not computer savvy, clicked save multiple times.
10:46 kf when staging files?
10:46 Genji does koha 3.2 suffer from the marc importer having no visual response when pressing 'Save'?
10:45 kf http://spedr.com/2o9v8
10:44 kf perhaps its just a problem with zebra? you could try rebuilding your index
10:43 Susan-dev Thanks kf :)
10:43 Susan-dev hehe..I will search the mailing list also,
10:43 kf but (of course) cant find it right now
10:42 kf I think I saw someone reporting an error like this on the mailinglist some time ago
10:39 Susan-dev sorry wrong window :)
10:39 Susan-dev how do I make it owned by group
10:39 Susan-dev ummm I only know chown koha /directory
10:39 Susan-dev no just 3.0
10:39 kf 3.0.0? or 3.0.x?
10:38 kf hi Ropuch^
10:38 Ropuch^ Hi kf [;
10:36 Susan-dev koha 3.0
10:34 kf which version of koha do you use Susan-dev?
10:20 Susan-dev but its the same marc record!
10:20 Susan-dev still get 3 duplicate records, 2 of - items, and 1 with 1 item
10:20 Susan-dev I even tried re-indexing and rebuilding zebra
10:20 Susan-dev Hi everyone, anyone familiar why I get duplicate marc records. Even though Its just one marc record, but I clicked the "Save" button mutliple times
09:47 Genji Wow, that was interesting.
09:47 Susan-dev Thanks again
09:47 Susan-dev Good night, I am off :)
09:46 Susan-dev so not today :(
09:46 Susan-dev Dec 22 :)
09:46 Susan-dev Once our system administrator comes back from his long holiday
09:45 Genji So, clone, and come back, eh?
09:45 Susan-dev :)
09:45 Susan-dev I will do that
09:44 Genji You will definately need to repair things.
09:44 Susan-dev maybe you might come for work, but after the economy settles
09:44 Genji Of course, come back when you need to.
09:44 Susan-dev and hope you learned a bit more about the UAE :) hehe
09:44 Susan-dev sorry Genji, I have to go. Thanks alot for your patience and help! :)
09:43 Susan-dev a western degree is valued more here than other degrees
09:43 Susan-dev From what I know...not many are educated to know english very well. Most of the UAE nationals are sent internationally for studies
09:42 Genji The library im working for, most of the interface is Arabic.
09:42 Susan-dev Saudi is different absolutly. Its very radical
09:42 Susan-dev Abu dhabi is racist hehehe
09:42 Susan-dev or indian or paki or philipino
09:42 Genji So, even though Saudi Arabia and UAE have common cultural base, sounds like the language frequency is different?
09:41 Susan-dev because they get paid maybe 3x or 4x the typical arab here
09:41 Susan-dev but alot of caucasians come here for the money
09:41 Susan-dev and also my apologies for saying this term, but there are more "white" people here, than arabs....no offence intended!
09:41 Genji Ah. Interesting.
09:41 Susan-dev all organizations , english is a must
09:41 Susan-dev In here, they speak mostly english to communicate between each other
09:40 Susan-dev no, english
09:40 Genji Anyway, hmm.... So, you have modded koha 3.0 for arabic?
09:39 Susan-dev hope the US doesn't try and make war again in hopes of finding weapons of massive destruction
09:39 Susan-dev :)
09:39 Genji Whens the next flight? :)
09:39 Genji Wow...
09:39 Susan-dev Abu dhabi has oil
09:39 Susan-dev why should he care for taxes?
09:38 Susan-dev King has billions
09:38 Genji All your money? King gets nothing?
09:38 Susan-dev none
09:38 Susan-dev no
09:38 Genji No taxes in UAE?
09:37 Susan-dev no taxes here :)
09:37 Genji Eh, prehaps not. Then you'd have to deal with your own tax returns?
09:37 Susan-dev I should do contracting work, probably better right?
09:36 Susan-dev its 1:30 PM here
09:36 Susan-dev not internationally
09:36 Susan-dev no I am a full time employee here, I work in Abu dhabi
09:35 Genji so, you work X hours, but bill less than X hours?
09:35 Susan-dev I should be given a raise hehe
09:35 Susan-dev and internal joomla websites
09:34 Susan-dev on opesis , open erp
09:34 Susan-dev I actually have to make time out of nothing...I have many people breathing down my neck, and not on just koha
09:33 * Genji is also developing solo. "Didn't do any versioning yet, because boss said the time spent, might not be worth it."
09:33 Susan-dev hehe
09:33 Susan-dev but now in the UAE, probably not a lot of people use svn
09:33 Susan-dev 1 person can also make mistakes :)
09:33 Susan-dev I worked in Canada, and I am used to SVN, and I have to track my changes
09:32 Genji Yet your using svn internally, interesting..
09:32 Susan-dev only me :)
09:32 Susan-dev nope
09:31 Genji Sounds like you have more devel people than just you?
09:31 Genji Wow, we have similar challenges.
09:30 Susan-dev anyways, thanks for you time. Appreciate it :D
09:30 Susan-dev aish hehe
09:30 Susan-dev I am in the UAE and on top of all this, I have to upgrade koha to that...which meanas I have to do svn vendor branches and compare our customizations with 3.02 code
09:30 Genji They're stuck on Koha 3.0rc1 .. or in other words, Koha 3.0 final.
09:29 Genji Unknown. I myself am working with a Saudi Arabian library, whos afraid to upgrade to newer versions.
09:29 Susan-dev by the way, do you what differences exist between koha 3 and 3.02
09:29 Genji Ya.. not a good idea.
09:29 Susan-dev hehe
09:28 Susan-dev right now i am on PROD directly
09:28 Susan-dev ok, I will do my best..though I need a test machine to make those changes...finish them then move to prod
09:28 Genji and then do a complete rebuild.
09:28 Genji and repair the permissions.
09:28 Genji you definately need to move yor reindexing from the root cron to the koha cron.
09:28 Genji those are running as they should be.
09:27 Genji nope.
09:27 Susan-dev maybe there is another cron..
09:27 Susan-dev me is confused, I thought I am running from root cron
09:27 Susan-dev and perl -I /usr/share/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon under koha user
09:27 Susan-dev koha-zebrauqueue-ctl-koha running under user koha
09:27 Susan-dev there is koha-zebra-ctl.koha daemon runnig under koha user
09:26 Susan-dev ok what shoudl I list?
09:26 Susan-dev OK let me do that now
09:21 Genji doublechecking, do ' ps aux | grep 'zebra' '
09:18 Genji Not a good idea to run things on production machines as root... but oh well.
09:18 Susan-dev brb
09:17 Susan-dev you know what I mean?
09:17 Genji oh!
09:17 Susan-dev then I can reset the owners
09:17 Susan-dev Test is screwed up, I have to make a clone of prod and replace test
09:17 Susan-dev I can't change it on this machine Genji, because this is Production
09:17 Genji oh!
09:17 Susan-dev :(
09:17 Susan-dev having it be owned by koha before was annoying me
09:17 Genji Need to repair the damage done due to reindexing as root
09:16 Susan-dev and zebra files are owned by root
09:16 Susan-dev and the koha folder is owned by root
09:16 Susan-dev the problem is..the server is run as root
09:16 Susan-dev why am i not done? hehe
09:16 Genji Let me know when youve done hte cron thing, your not done yet.
09:14 Susan-dev hehe
09:14 Susan-dev ok, thanks Genji :) I am just glad the -r is ok
09:14 Genji right. okay. so, copy the necessary cron lines from the root cron to the koha cron (without the init) and then delete the cron entries you copied, from the root cron.
09:13 Susan-dev the user under biblioserver is koha koha
09:13 Susan-dev ok I opened the file
09:12 Genji koha-conf.xml
09:12 Genji oh.. maybe koha config file will give you what you want too.
09:11 Susan-dev where do I find that
09:11 Susan-dev zebra config file??
09:11 Genji And you need to change the command from root user to the zebra user... which is inside the zebra config file.
09:10 Genji which will take alot longer than updating.
09:10 Susan-dev the rest of the command leave it
09:10 Susan-dev oh i see, just the init word
09:10 Genji the word init, deletes the zebra db each time it indexs.
09:09 Susan-dev ok will do
09:09 Genji just the 'init'
09:09 Susan-dev *Scared* everything might not work again...
09:09 Susan-dev completly??
09:09 Genji take out the init
09:08 Susan-dev so I can change the time
09:08 Susan-dev when should I do them??
09:08 Susan-dev how about the init one
09:08 * Genji nods. "Generally, -r isnt necessary every five minutes."
09:07 Susan-dev so you are saying this -r only do it if I make a big change like this
09:07 Susan-dev by the way..I think the -r worked
09:06 Genji hrm. how much % is perl and zebraqueue taking up?
09:06 Susan-dev stuff like that.. :)
09:05 Susan-dev zebraqueue
09:05 Susan-dev perl
09:05 Susan-dev it says xorg
09:05 imp 10am here ;)
09:05 Genji meh, its only 10pm
09:05 Genji Ah okay, run the command 'top' and tell me whats the top of the list.
09:05 Susan-dev though I would sure love the help
09:05 Susan-dev by the way what time is it wher eyou are? I don't want to keep you awake
09:04 Susan-dev but i am trying to put commands on my vmware server
09:04 Susan-dev my irc is outside
09:04 Susan-dev no no
09:04 Genji Oh, your irc session is running on this VMWare server?
09:04 Genji MAybe you have a task soaking up cpu time.
09:03 Genji Eek.
09:03 Susan-dev -_-
09:03 Susan-dev it is taking me 1 minute to type each letter on my vmware server
09:03 Susan-dev sory
09:03 Genji Hmm....
09:01 Genji init is rebuilding.. its basically the same as -r in rebuild_zebra ... so not a good idea.
09:00 Susan-dev I understand the user issue, but as a process, is it ok?
09:00 Susan-dev or no
09:00 Susan-dev but a question, it is ok to have the init for authorities and biblios on this crontab
09:00 Susan-dev which chris said is needed. I will try -r to see what happenes
08:59 Susan-dev I guess without the -r
08:59 Susan-dev then rebuild)zebra -b -a
08:59 Genji definately not a good idea to do as root.
08:59 Genji init, does a complete rebuild.
08:58 Susan-dev and then similar one for zebra-biblios
08:58 Susan-dev init
08:58 Susan-dev zebraidx -c /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-authorities-dom.cfg -g iso2709 -d authorities
08:58 * Genji nods. "Cut and paste that line.
08:58 Susan-dev every five minutes
08:58 Susan-dev so what I have in my crontab
08:57 Genji oh.... not good.
08:56 Susan-dev I think all run as root
08:56 * Genji nods. "And zebraqueue is running as the zebra user.
08:56 Susan-dev and it was automatically indexing it behind the scenes
08:56 * Genji nods.
08:56 Susan-dev All I did was marc import
08:55 Genji Or entering it in, or marc importing, did it as the zebra user.
08:55 Genji You might of rebuilt when it was in the zebra user.
08:54 Susan-dev when I was doing Dewy
08:54 Susan-dev so how come it worked Genji
08:54 Susan-dev .....sorry for beign slow hehe
08:54 Susan-dev my stupid server stopped working
08:54 Genji Zebraidx and the zebra server won't have access to the exported records, if you run reindexing as root.
08:53 Genji Chris is right, Susan.. but i wonldn't leave it running in root crontab.
08:53 Susan-dev good night chris
08:53 * Genji hmms... "Night Chris"
08:53 * chris has to go now, good luck
08:52 chris and run it from the commandline one time
08:52 chris or just leave it there
08:52 Genji Okay,... take zebra rebuild, out of the crontab.
08:52 CGI1985 wht is its meaning 'sudo: no password entry fo koha'
08:52 CGI1985 ?
08:52 Susan-dev ...um so what do I do then?
08:51 chris just after you make a change like that, something that effects every record
08:51 chris you dont want to rebuild the index everytime
08:51 chris dont change the crontab
08:50 Susan-dev please bear with me
08:50 Susan-dev Iok Genji, but root should have access to everything..let me just check the crontab..I will change it to zebra user after thats done :)
08:50 chris you definitely dont want -r in the crontab
08:50 Genji uhh... still doing it with the wrong user...
08:50 Susan-dev give me a minute please
08:50 Susan-dev let me see if I have the -r in the crontab
08:49 Genji and yes, it sounds like it might want a complete rebuild... -r
08:49 Genji always as the zebra user.
08:49 Genji never do rebuild as root
08:49 chris it doesnt reindex everything
08:49 chris that only indexes changed things
08:49 Susan-dev and If i change it back to dewy and dewy call number, it works again
08:49 Genji theres the problem
08:49 Genji ahh
08:48 Susan-dev root crontab
08:48 Susan-dev automaically I have it in a crontab
08:48 Susan-dev it auto indexes
08:48 chris and you reindexed after you changed it it LLC ?
08:47 * Genji has had alot of fun with zebra Voodoo.
08:47 CGI1985 ropuch: sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xmlsudo: no passwd entry for koha!
08:47 Susan-dev zebra
08:47 Susan-dev zebra
08:47 Genji might be a zebra misconfig.
08:47 chris using zebra or nozebra?
08:47 Susan-dev and I am unsure of where to go from here..or what to search for..
08:47 Susan-dev it no longer returns any results on the search
08:46 Susan-dev If I pick the Library of congress classification, and the itemcallnumber points to the LLC call number
08:46 Susan-dev It displays in the search, but I noticed THIS only works when I use the "DDC" classification,rather than LLC
08:46 Susan-dev I have Koha 3.0, and everything works fine before, when I import marc record/add items
08:46 Susan-dev I have a question that hopefully someone can answer.
08:45 Susan-dev Good day everyone
08:45 Ropuch^ sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
08:44 CGI1985 $ sudo -u ${KOHA_USER} zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
08:44 CGI1985 It show that that -f is invalid
08:43 CGI1985 I still need u to finish the koha
08:43 CGI1985 ok couple of thanks
08:42 chris not if it installed the modules no
08:42 CGI1985 ok so I dont need to initialize it?
08:42 chris then its done
08:42 CGI1985 yes it installed
08:41 chris if it installed the modules
08:41 chris thats it
08:41 CGI1985 then?
08:41 CGI1985 I ran this
08:41 chris thats all
08:41 chris sudo cpan Algorithm::CheckDigits SMS::Send HTTP::OAI
08:40 chris CGI1985: run
08:40 Genji okay.... is there many method of seeing what calls st::execute 9000 odd times?
08:40 CGI1985 chris: wht should I do?
08:40 CGI1985 wht a hell! why is my IRC going offline after some time
08:39 chris no
08:39 Genji so, YAML is an unavoidable 'hotspot'? can't cache it?
08:34 chris sudo cpan Algorithm::CheckDigits SMS::Send HTTP::OAI
08:34 chris ie you ran
08:34 chris CGI1985: so you answer yes at the prompt?
08:34 chris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serialization
08:33 CGI1985 Genji: above is taken from the documentation
08:33 Genji Uh... no.
08:32 chris Genji: you know what serialising objects is?
08:32 CGI1985 http://pastebin.org/62063
08:32 Genji chris: serializes the session?
08:32 chris Genji: all that yaml stuff is actually C4::Auth the session management, it serialises the session using yaml
08:31 CGI1985 Yeah
08:31 Genji think you might be trying to configure CPAN?
08:31 chris what command are you actually running CGI1985 ?
08:31 CGI1985 Genji: Thank you
08:31 chris that isnt a command
08:31 CGI1985 this is not working /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initialized
08:31 Genji CGI1985: okay, we can try.. but not promising miracles.
08:30 CGI1985 etc/
08:30 chris caching slow queries is the win, caching fast ones (like the syspref ones) is actually slow
08:29 chris well for most of those the overhead of the cache is slower than the lookup
08:29 CGI1985 plz solve my prob
08:28 Genji Might be a good idea to take the call count down abit.
08:28 Genji 5.81 0.150 0.150 9785 0.0000 0.0000 DBI::st::execute
08:27 chris in 3.0 sys pref calls are just db lookups, no point caching those
08:27 chris but knowing it has changed from within koha .. pretty much impossible
08:26 chris no need to force it
08:26 Genji YAML parses the koha-conf.xml?
08:26 chris it will take whatever version you give it
08:26 chris and parsing that xml is slow
08:26 Genji Hmm... is there a method of forcing memcache to take a fresh version?
08:26 chris so you can just restart memcached at the same time to clear the cache
08:25 chris and if you ever do, it will be at the command line
08:25 chris you pretty much never change the koha-conf.xml
08:25 * Genji nods. "All these system pref calls, using dumpYAML and LoadYAML?
08:25 chris id actually cache the config for hours
08:24 chris caching the config is good too
08:23 chris (ie things that change very rarely)
08:22 chris another one that is safe
08:22 chris C4/Biblio.pm: memoize_memcached( 'GetMarcStructure', memcached => $memcached, expire_time => 600 );
08:21 chris ie, dont cache a borrowers issues
08:21 chris anything that changes
08:20 Genji What is not safe to cache?
08:20 chris grep "memoize" in master
08:20 chris actually i think one other module
08:20 chris hi kf
08:20 Genji Ah.
08:20 chris by far even
08:20 chris and every single page uses it
08:20 chris its only in C4/Languages in 3.2 because it is bar far the slowest
08:19 chris you could, or you could just take that paste, and put it in the files you want caching whatever subroutines you want
08:19 Genji Hmm... I could get the git, then find xarg grep the memcaches, then duplicate the changes accordingly, in 3.0?
08:19 chris the 2nd param is seconds
08:18 chris those three subroutines are fine to cache
08:18 kf morning chris and imp
08:18 imp +s
08:18 imp moinen kf :)
08:18 chris (took out the sysprefs)
08:18 chris (i simplified it from here )
08:18 kf good morning #koha
08:18 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=C4/Languages.pm;
08:17 Genji How do i work out whats not good to cache?
08:16 chris C4/Languages.pm
08:16 Genji what file is this from, Chris?
08:16 Ropuch hi paul_p ;>
08:16 Ropuch um
08:16 Ropuch Hi pastebot
08:13 chris hiya paul_p
08:13 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "caching the slow language queries - with hardcoded values" (16 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/85
08:13 paul_p hi chris, Genji & al
08:12 chris memcached running and the Memoize::Memcached perl module
08:12 chris on any modules you like, caching anything that is safe to do so
08:11 chris then you can try that out
08:11 chris genji, you will need memcached running
08:11 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "caching the slow language queries" (16 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/84
08:09 CGI1985 I have not solved this prob yet?
08:08 CGI1985 hi masonj: r u there?
08:07 chris C4::Languages is the slowest part of every page in the opac
08:07 chris but not impossible
08:07 CGI1985 is any one there to solve my problem
08:07 chris yes
08:07 Genji would it be difficult to murge the cache calls from 3.2 into a 3.0 base?
08:06 chris http://profiles.workbuffer.org/opac-main-memoize/
08:06 chris after
08:06 chris before cache http://profiles.workbuffer.org/opac-main/
08:05 chris http://profiles.workbuffer.org/opac-search/
08:04 chris 3.2 caches those calls
08:04 chris yep, thats the config file, if it was xml it would be about 50% of its time
08:03 Genji chris: an opac search spends 10% of its time, wrapped up in YAML calls.
07:57 chris hiya Ropuch
07:56 Ropuch Helllo chris
07:54 chris Genji: yaml is a fantastic way to construct config files, and the systempreference editor uses it also
07:10 imp hi Ropuch
07:10 Ropuch Morning #koha
07:04 CGI1985 how can I solve this
07:04 CGI1985 this command is not working /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initialized<CGI1985> bash: /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm: Permission denied<CGI1985> sudo /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initializedsudo: /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm: command not found
06:52 Genji That developer made the mistake of putting these icuchains everywhere in default.idx.
06:52 Genji So, obviously, one of the developers thought a quick and easy way to transliterate utf8 was to use icuchain rules.
06:50 Genji This was a library that made koha work for Arabic, back in koha 3.0rc1.
06:50 Genji Oh, you don't know. Okay, problem was 260$c, pubdate, was not being indexed correctly.
06:46 Amit what problem?
06:46 Amit ok
06:46 Genji Amit: i fixed my numeric index problem.
06:46 Genji hiya Amit.
06:45 Amit heya Genji
06:44 CGI1985 sudo /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initializedsudo: /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm: command not found
06:44 CGI1985 bash: /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm: Permission denied
06:43 CGI1985 this command is not working /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initialized
06:37 Genji 8.14 0.210 0.210 3039 0.0001 0.0001 YAML::Syck::LoadYAML
06:37 Genji followed by
06:36 Genji 10.4 0.270 0.270 3039 0.0001 0.0001 YAML::Syck::DumpYAML
06:36 Genji "YAML::Syck" is the longest running sub in a opac-search ive got.
06:33 imp Genji: guess it's this yaml: "Yet Another Multicolumn Layout"
06:32 Genji Whats it doing in Koha?
06:31 imp YAML Ain't Markup Language (tm) ;)
06:31 Genji Hiya.. whats YAML?
05:02 pianohacker Good night
04:49 pianohacker (confirmed: http://cgiirc.org/docs/config.php , section "Access settings")
04:45 pianohacker If, that is, we had any chanops
04:44 pianohacker If so, the chanops could easily ban specific CGI::IRC IPs
04:44 pianohacker I'm pretty sure that's true, haven't seen it confirmed
04:44 masonj aaah, too easy!
04:43 pianohacker masonj: see http://www.kloth.net/services/iplocate.php for an useful translator
04:43 pianohacker masonj: The username of the user is their IP in hex form
04:40 masonj and would allow me to ignore further chat from that ip, in future
04:39 masonj that would def. make people a little more cautious about driveby irc-spamming
04:38 masonj s/ans/and/
04:38 masonj it would be a nice mod to the current koha-irc page, to snarf ans display the clients ip address
04:33 masonj yep, thats exactly what i said last nite, too ;)
04:23 pianohacker CGI1985: You can safely ignore that unless something else is broken
04:22 CGI1985 can any body help me regarding this
04:22 CGI1985 Restarting web server: apache2[Sun Dec 06 13:16:11 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts ... waiting .[Sun Dec 06 13:16:13 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
04:22 CGI1985 it show following error, which I cant solve yet
04:22 CGI1985 when I try to run /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
04:20 CGI118 hi all
04:14 SelfishMan yeah, not likely to be a bot but it had all the same behavior
04:14 pianohacker ELIZA would be deeply ashamed
04:14 chris either that or the worst bot ive seen
04:14 chris i dont think that was a bot, just a bored kid
04:10 CGI985 I have same problem yet...
04:08 SelfishMan I'm not a fan of EC2 because of all the tricks they do and hoops they make people jump through
04:07 chris yup
04:07 SelfishMan yeah but public IPs are pretty constant. An instance will send traffic out via the static IP. Dynamic IPs are another story though
04:04 chris i know they do DNAT and SNAT
04:04 chris cool
04:04 SelfishMan and if they change things then it will be static again
04:03 SelfishMan I've worked with ec2 more than enough and can say that the cgi::irc client will keep coming from that IP unless LL restructures
04:01 chris yes on the front
04:01 SelfishMan ec2 fully supports static IPs
04:01 chris i dont know how their networking works
04:01 SelfishMan and?
04:01 chris yeah but it's ec2
04:01 SelfishMan changing an IP for a production website is pretty painful
03:59 SelfishMan I would bet that it is prety static
03:57 SelfishMan thank you
03:57 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today
03:56 SelfishMan I can't remember, where are the logs for this channel?
03:53 chris but blocking 174.129.238.79 is probably a good start
03:52 chris the annoying thing is, im not sure it always comes from a fixed ip, since the www.koha.org server is in amazon's cloud
03:50 CGI813 your such freaks i swear
03:50 CGI813 losers
03:49 CGI813 who are you
03:49 CGI813 pianohacker are you there
03:45 CGI813 im talkin to you pianohacker
03:45 CGI813 are you YES or NO?
03:44 CGI813 hello
03:44 pianohacker Oh my
03:44 CGI813 are you bots?
03:44 SelfishMan 22:42 <CGI813> <redacted>
03:44 SelfishMan Example:
03:44 SelfishMan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redaction
03:43 CGI813 are you bots?
03:43 pianohacker SelfishMan: redacts?
03:43 SelfishMan makes it rather entertaining at times
03:43 pianohacker Oh, right
03:43 SelfishMan Also, I wrote a really nice addon for irssi that redacts people on your ignore list
03:42 chris oh wait, we can't
03:42 SelfishMan chris: yes
03:42 chris i wonder if we should just kill the cgi::irc .. most ppl use mibbit now
03:42 * SelfishMan mumbles about bots
03:42 CGI813 what do you mean?
03:41 pianohacker just quiet
03:41 pianohacker not impatient
03:41 CGI813 why are you so inpatient for?
03:41 CGI813 i do?
03:41 pianohacker I do not have an answer
03:41 pianohacker as you don't have a question
03:40 pianohacker yes
03:39 CGI813 are u still there
03:38 munin hdl_laptop: The operation succeeded.
03:38 hdl_laptop @later tell Genji : When you are not using index w, since @attr 4=109 tells about structure index :n and default is w, search without @attr 4=109 will definitely fail.
03:38 CGI813 no but you can ask me anything?
03:38 CGI813 hey pianohacker
03:38 pianohacker Do you have a specific koha question?
03:38 pianohacker greetings
03:38 CGI813 hey guys my name is josh!
03:20 brendan how was the commute to work today?
03:19 brendan heya amit
03:18 Amit heya brendan, chris_n2, chris
01:23 Genji Okay, im off to a movie in celebration!
01:17 masonj as mysql and zebra both get busy under load
01:17 masonj koha3 prolly makes good use of a dual core system
01:15 masonj /me cant remember intel cpu models...
01:14 masonj model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 3040 @ 1.86GHz
01:14 masonj vendor_id : GenuineIntel
01:14 masonj $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
01:13 chris sweet
01:13 chris ahh so thats under 1
01:13 masonj snap ;)
01:13 masonj on a intel 'core duo?' 1.8
01:13 chris how many cores mason?
01:13 masonj around 1.0 during the day, with high/low values of 0.6/1.4
01:10 pianohacker what's your average system load like?
01:10 masonj .. and using munin's mysql/innodb plugings to tune the mysql and apache settings
01:09 masonj ive been collecting munin stats, on a well-loaded koha3 prod-box for 6 months
01:08 masonj yeah, but the circ/xml stuff can get fixed in the future, i am sure
01:06 masonj but the zebra searching is really fast, so win some/lose some ;)
01:06 pianohacker zebra's fast enough that most search bottlenecks are going to be on the koha side, most likely
01:06 pianohacker yup
01:06 masonj from the xml handling
01:05 masonj circ has become quite slower, in koha3
01:05 masonj the bottlenecks are pretty well understood, imho..
01:04 pianohacker *shrug* there's perl profilers
01:04 pianohacker In koha's current design, there's so many other factors that the 0.1 seconds you'd probably save would pale in comparison to a 5-second page load
01:04 Genji any easy method of measuring koha speed bottlenecks?
01:04 pianohacker I have no idea. It's possible, but you'd have to measure
01:03 Genji can icuchains slow down the zebra search?
00:59 Genji that.
00:59 Genji I would of never thought of htat.
00:58 * Genji nods... "Something like that. It was hdl who gave me the clue, by giving me the content of his default.idx, relevant to numeric.
00:57 pianohacker Zebra problem solving: poke poke poke *check* *sigh* poke poke p- Hey, it works!
00:57 * brendan hands chris a judges mallet
00:57 Genji So, i just removed the icuchain from numerics.. and it worked!
00:57 chris cool
00:56 Genji chris, ive fixed my problem. the arabic coder put the numeric field into the icuchain.
00:47 pianohacker I was just about to ask
00:47 pianohacker Fix the test suite
00:47 chris I will reject patches for this reason
00:47 pianohacker ooh, can we add _another_ focus for 3.4?
00:47 chris but there is still a t/Bookfund.t
00:46 chris there is no C4::Bookfund anymore
00:46 chris :-)
00:46 chris and not changed the tests
00:46 chris the problem is bad people have changed lots of code
00:46 chris C4/Bookfund doesnt exist
00:46 pianohacker Just seems like the test suite is spitting out some very odd errors
00:45 pianohacker (if you know)
00:45 pianohacker Again, sorry for the stress. Why the include for C4/Bookfund broken, anyway?
00:45 chris yes
00:45 owen :) So ignore any warnings it gives me?
00:45 chris make test is currently worthless
00:44 chris yeah ignore it
00:44 chris oh make test
00:44 pianohacker Sorry
00:44 pianohacker It's make test that's broken
00:44 pianohacker Koha itself is, to the best of my knowledge, working fine
00:44 chris (the one with no BLIB stuff in it)
00:44 chris so apache is using the right config file?
00:43 chris and you have copied that to your apache2 and restarted apache etc?
00:41 pianohacker still fails after a make install; though it's set correctly in koha-httpd.conf
00:40 chris and end up with a koha-httpd.conf file outside in something like /home/chris/koha-dev/etc/koha-httpd.conf ?
00:40 pianohacker Not recently, time to likely fubar my zebra config
00:39 chris did you do the make install step?
00:39 pianohacker Also, I've duplicated owen's error exactly :/
00:39 chris that's harmless
00:39 pianohacker what about copying C4/ to blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/ ?
00:39 chris if you do a git clean or something
00:39 chris so they dont get stomped over
00:39 chris so and changes the values in them
00:38 chris the install step copies your config files outside of your git dir
00:38 chris its not worthless
00:38 chris you ahve either missed a step, or symlinked the wrong one
00:38 pianohacker chris: in the same vein: should you disable the seemingly worthless blib copy step for a dev install, and can you?
00:38 chris if there are any BLIB things in your koha-httpd.conf
00:37 chris mine says SetEnv PERL5LIB "/home/chris/git/koha.git"
00:37 chris thats certainly not what my koha-httpd.conf has set as it's PERL5LIB
00:36 chris you have done the make install step?
00:35 chris i dont think thats normal
00:35 pianohacker Yet another bug
00:35 pianohacker I think that's normal for a dev install
00:33 owen I was curious about that. Did I miss a step during the preparation, or is that normal for a dev install, or what?
00:32 pianohacker env PERL5LIB=/home/oleonard/kohaclone/ make test might work
00:31 pianohacker would make sense, since PERL_MODULE_DIR hasn't been replaced with the correct location of the perl modules
00:31 owen Yes
00:31 pianohacker owen: is this a dev install?
00:27 owen .../usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 3) line 2
00:27 owen Error: Can't locate C4/Bookfund.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/oleonard/kohaclone/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR /home/oleonard/kohaclone/blib/arch /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5...
00:27 owen Okay, here's a make test error if anyone's willing to interpret:
00:26 Genji it was being parsed by icuchain
00:26 Genji Yahoo!!!!!
00:03 Genji Yup.
00:02 pianohacker Jesus christ, I loathe z39.50 and zebra's unhelpful error codes
00:01 munin Genji: Error: "attr" is not a valid command.
00:01 Genji @attr 1=31 4=109 , success.. no results.
00:01 pianohacker Huh.
00:00 Genji just @attr 1=31 1983, unsupported use.