Time Nick Message 00:00 Genji just @attr 1=31 1983, unsupported use. 00:01 pianohacker Huh. 00:01 Genji @attr 1=31 4=109 , success.. no results. 00:01 munin Genji: Error: "attr" is not a valid command. 00:02 pianohacker Jesus christ, I loathe z39.50 and zebra's unhelpful error codes 00:03 Genji Yup. 00:26 Genji Yahoo!!!!! 00:26 Genji it was being parsed by icuchain 00:27 owen Okay, here's a make test error if anyone's willing to interpret: 00:27 owen Error: Can't locate C4/Bookfund.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/oleonard/kohaclone/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR /home/oleonard/kohaclone/blib/arch /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5... 00:27 owen .../usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 3) line 2 00:31 pianohacker owen: is this a dev install? 00:31 owen Yes 00:31 pianohacker would make sense, since PERL_MODULE_DIR hasn't been replaced with the correct location of the perl modules 00:32 pianohacker env PERL5LIB=/home/oleonard/kohaclone/ make test might work 00:33 owen I was curious about that. Did I miss a step during the preparation, or is that normal for a dev install, or what? 00:35 pianohacker I think that's normal for a dev install 00:35 pianohacker Yet another bug 00:35 chris i dont think thats normal 00:36 chris you have done the make install step? 00:37 chris thats certainly not what my koha-httpd.conf has set as it's PERL5LIB 00:37 chris mine says SetEnv PERL5LIB "/home/chris/git/koha.git" 00:38 chris if there are any BLIB things in your koha-httpd.conf 00:38 pianohacker chris: in the same vein: should you disable the seemingly worthless blib copy step for a dev install, and can you? 00:38 chris you ahve either missed a step, or symlinked the wrong one 00:38 chris its not worthless 00:38 chris the install step copies your config files outside of your git dir 00:39 chris so and changes the values in them 00:39 chris so they dont get stomped over 00:39 chris if you do a git clean or something 00:39 pianohacker what about copying C4/ to blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/ ? 00:39 chris that's harmless 00:39 pianohacker Also, I've duplicated owen's error exactly :/ 00:39 chris did you do the make install step? 00:40 pianohacker Not recently, time to likely fubar my zebra config 00:40 chris and end up with a koha-httpd.conf file outside in something like /home/chris/koha-dev/etc/koha-httpd.conf ? 00:41 pianohacker still fails after a make install; though it's set correctly in koha-httpd.conf 00:43 chris and you have copied that to your apache2 and restarted apache etc? 00:44 chris so apache is using the right config file? 00:44 chris (the one with no BLIB stuff in it) 00:44 pianohacker Koha itself is, to the best of my knowledge, working fine 00:44 pianohacker It's make test that's broken 00:44 pianohacker Sorry 00:44 chris oh make test 00:44 chris yeah ignore it 00:45 chris make test is currently worthless 00:45 owen :) So ignore any warnings it gives me? 00:45 chris yes 00:45 pianohacker Again, sorry for the stress. Why the include for C4/Bookfund broken, anyway? 00:45 pianohacker (if you know) 00:46 pianohacker Just seems like the test suite is spitting out some very odd errors 00:46 chris C4/Bookfund doesnt exist 00:46 chris the problem is bad people have changed lots of code 00:46 chris and not changed the tests 00:46 chris :-) 00:46 chris there is no C4::Bookfund anymore 00:47 chris but there is still a t/Bookfund.t 00:47 pianohacker ooh, can we add _another_ focus for 3.4? 00:47 chris I will reject patches for this reason 00:47 pianohacker Fix the test suite 00:47 pianohacker I was just about to ask 00:56 Genji chris, ive fixed my problem. the arabic coder put the numeric field into the icuchain. 00:57 chris cool 00:57 Genji So, i just removed the icuchain from numerics.. and it worked! 00:57 * brendan hands chris a judges mallet 00:57 pianohacker Zebra problem solving: poke poke poke *check* *sigh* poke poke p- Hey, it works! 00:58 * Genji nods... "Something like that. It was hdl who gave me the clue, by giving me the content of his default.idx, relevant to numeric. 00:59 Genji I would of never thought of htat. 00:59 Genji that. 01:03 Genji can icuchains slow down the zebra search? 01:04 pianohacker I have no idea. It's possible, but you'd have to measure 01:04 Genji any easy method of measuring koha speed bottlenecks? 01:04 pianohacker In koha's current design, there's so many other factors that the 0.1 seconds you'd probably save would pale in comparison to a 5-second page load 01:04 pianohacker *shrug* there's perl profilers 01:05 masonj the bottlenecks are pretty well understood, imho.. 01:05 masonj circ has become quite slower, in koha3 01:06 masonj from the xml handling 01:06 pianohacker yup 01:06 pianohacker zebra's fast enough that most search bottlenecks are going to be on the koha side, most likely 01:06 masonj but the zebra searching is really fast, so win some/lose some ;) 01:08 masonj yeah, but the circ/xml stuff can get fixed in the future, i am sure 01:09 masonj ive been collecting munin stats, on a well-loaded koha3 prod-box for 6 months 01:10 masonj .. and using munin's mysql/innodb plugings to tune the mysql and apache settings 01:10 pianohacker what's your average system load like? 01:13 masonj around 1.0 during the day, with high/low values of 0.6/1.4 01:13 chris how many cores mason? 01:13 masonj on a intel 'core duo?' 1.8 01:13 masonj snap ;) 01:13 chris ahh so thats under 1 01:13 chris sweet 01:14 masonj $ cat /proc/cpuinfo 01:14 masonj vendor_id : GenuineIntel 01:14 masonj model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 3040 @ 1.86GHz 01:15 masonj /me cant remember intel cpu models... 01:17 masonj koha3 prolly makes good use of a dual core system 01:17 masonj as mysql and zebra both get busy under load 01:23 Genji Okay, im off to a movie in celebration! 03:18 Amit heya brendan, chris_n2, chris 03:19 brendan heya amit 03:20 brendan how was the commute to work today? 03:38 CGI813 hey guys my name is josh! 03:38 pianohacker greetings 03:38 pianohacker Do you have a specific koha question? 03:38 CGI813 hey pianohacker 03:38 CGI813 no but you can ask me anything? 03:38 hdl_laptop @later tell Genji : When you are not using index w, since @attr 4=109 tells about structure index :n and default is w, search without @attr 4=109 will definitely fail. 03:38 munin hdl_laptop: The operation succeeded. 03:39 CGI813 are u still there 03:40 pianohacker yes 03:41 pianohacker as you don't have a question 03:41 pianohacker I do not have an answer 03:41 CGI813 i do? 03:41 CGI813 why are you so inpatient for? 03:41 pianohacker not impatient 03:41 pianohacker just quiet 03:42 CGI813 what do you mean? 03:42 * SelfishMan mumbles about bots 03:42 chris i wonder if we should just kill the cgi::irc .. most ppl use mibbit now 03:42 SelfishMan chris: yes 03:42 chris oh wait, we can't 03:43 SelfishMan Also, I wrote a really nice addon for irssi that redacts people on your ignore list 03:43 pianohacker Oh, right 03:43 SelfishMan makes it rather entertaining at times 03:43 pianohacker SelfishMan: redacts? 03:43 CGI813 are you bots? 03:44 SelfishMan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redaction 03:44 SelfishMan Example: 03:44 SelfishMan 22:42 <CGI813> <redacted> 03:44 CGI813 are you bots? 03:44 pianohacker Oh my 03:44 CGI813 hello 03:45 CGI813 are you YES or NO? 03:45 CGI813 im talkin to you pianohacker 03:49 CGI813 pianohacker are you there 03:49 CGI813 who are you 03:50 CGI813 losers 03:50 CGI813 your such freaks i swear 03:52 chris the annoying thing is, im not sure it always comes from a fixed ip, since the www.koha.org server is in amazon's cloud 03:53 chris but blocking 174.129.238.79 is probably a good start 03:56 SelfishMan I can't remember, where are the logs for this channel? 03:57 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today 03:57 SelfishMan thank you 03:59 SelfishMan I would bet that it is prety static 04:01 SelfishMan changing an IP for a production website is pretty painful 04:01 chris yeah but it's ec2 04:01 SelfishMan and? 04:01 chris i dont know how their networking works 04:01 SelfishMan ec2 fully supports static IPs 04:01 chris yes on the front 04:03 SelfishMan I've worked with ec2 more than enough and can say that the cgi::irc client will keep coming from that IP unless LL restructures 04:04 SelfishMan and if they change things then it will be static again 04:04 chris cool 04:04 chris i know they do DNAT and SNAT 04:07 SelfishMan yeah but public IPs are pretty constant. An instance will send traffic out via the static IP. Dynamic IPs are another story though 04:07 chris yup 04:08 SelfishMan I'm not a fan of EC2 because of all the tricks they do and hoops they make people jump through 04:10 CGI985 I have same problem yet... 04:14 chris i dont think that was a bot, just a bored kid 04:14 chris either that or the worst bot ive seen 04:14 pianohacker ELIZA would be deeply ashamed 04:14 SelfishMan yeah, not likely to be a bot but it had all the same behavior 04:20 CGI118 hi all 04:22 CGI1985 when I try to run /etc/init.d/apache2 restart 04:22 CGI1985 it show following error, which I cant solve yet 04:22 CGI1985 Restarting web server: apache2[Sun Dec 06 13:16:11 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts ... waiting .[Sun Dec 06 13:16:13 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts 04:22 CGI1985 can any body help me regarding this 04:23 pianohacker CGI1985: You can safely ignore that unless something else is broken 04:33 masonj yep, thats exactly what i said last nite, too ;) 04:38 masonj it would be a nice mod to the current koha-irc page, to snarf ans display the clients ip address 04:38 masonj s/ans/and/ 04:39 masonj that would def. make people a little more cautious about driveby irc-spamming 04:40 masonj and would allow me to ignore further chat from that ip, in future 04:43 pianohacker masonj: The username of the user is their IP in hex form 04:43 pianohacker masonj: see http://www.kloth.net/services/iplocate.php for an useful translator 04:44 masonj aaah, too easy! 04:44 pianohacker I'm pretty sure that's true, haven't seen it confirmed 04:44 pianohacker If so, the chanops could easily ban specific CGI::IRC IPs 04:45 pianohacker If, that is, we had any chanops 04:49 pianohacker (confirmed: http://cgiirc.org/docs/config.php , section "Access settings") 05:02 pianohacker Good night 06:31 Genji Hiya.. whats YAML? 06:31 imp YAML Ain't Markup Language (tm) ;) 06:32 Genji Whats it doing in Koha? 06:33 imp Genji: guess it's this yaml: "Yet Another Multicolumn Layout" 06:36 Genji "YAML::Syck" is the longest running sub in a opac-search ive got. 06:36 Genji 10.4 0.270 0.270 3039 0.0001 0.0001 YAML::Syck::DumpYAML 06:37 Genji followed by 06:37 Genji 8.14 0.210 0.210 3039 0.0001 0.0001 YAML::Syck::LoadYAML 06:43 CGI1985 this command is not working /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initialized 06:44 CGI1985 bash: /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm: Permission denied 06:44 CGI1985 sudo /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initializedsudo: /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm: command not found 06:45 Amit heya Genji 06:46 Genji hiya Amit. 06:46 Genji Amit: i fixed my numeric index problem. 06:46 Amit ok 06:46 Amit what problem? 06:50 Genji Oh, you don't know. Okay, problem was 260$c, pubdate, was not being indexed correctly. 06:50 Genji This was a library that made koha work for Arabic, back in koha 3.0rc1. 06:52 Genji So, obviously, one of the developers thought a quick and easy way to transliterate utf8 was to use icuchain rules. 06:52 Genji That developer made the mistake of putting these icuchains everywhere in default.idx. 07:04 CGI1985 this command is not working /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initialized<CGI1985> bash: /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm: Permission denied<CGI1985> sudo /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initializedsudo: /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm: command not found 07:04 CGI1985 how can I solve this 07:10 Ropuch Morning #koha 07:10 imp hi Ropuch 07:54 chris Genji: yaml is a fantastic way to construct config files, and the systempreference editor uses it also 07:56 Ropuch Helllo chris 07:57 chris hiya Ropuch 08:03 Genji chris: an opac search spends 10% of its time, wrapped up in YAML calls. 08:04 chris yep, thats the config file, if it was xml it would be about 50% of its time 08:04 chris 3.2 caches those calls 08:05 chris http://profiles.workbuffer.org/opac-search/ 08:06 chris before cache http://profiles.workbuffer.org/opac-main/ 08:06 chris after 08:06 chris http://profiles.workbuffer.org/opac-main-memoize/ 08:07 Genji would it be difficult to murge the cache calls from 3.2 into a 3.0 base? 08:07 chris yes 08:07 CGI1985 is any one there to solve my problem 08:07 chris but not impossible 08:07 chris C4::Languages is the slowest part of every page in the opac 08:08 CGI1985 hi masonj: r u there? 08:09 CGI1985 I have not solved this prob yet? 08:11 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "caching the slow language queries" (16 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/84 08:11 chris genji, you will need memcached running 08:11 chris then you can try that out 08:12 chris on any modules you like, caching anything that is safe to do so 08:12 chris memcached running and the Memoize::Memcached perl module 08:13 paul_p hi chris, Genji & al 08:13 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "caching the slow language queries - with hardcoded values" (16 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/85 08:13 chris hiya paul_p 08:16 Ropuch Hi pastebot 08:16 Ropuch um 08:16 Ropuch hi paul_p ;> 08:16 Genji what file is this from, Chris? 08:16 chris C4/Languages.pm 08:17 Genji How do i work out whats not good to cache? 08:18 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=C4/Languages.pm; 08:18 kf good morning #koha 08:18 chris (i simplified it from here ) 08:18 chris (took out the sysprefs) 08:18 imp moinen kf :) 08:18 imp +s 08:18 kf morning chris and imp 08:18 chris those three subroutines are fine to cache 08:19 chris the 2nd param is seconds 08:19 Genji Hmm... I could get the git, then find xarg grep the memcaches, then duplicate the changes accordingly, in 3.0? 08:19 chris you could, or you could just take that paste, and put it in the files you want caching whatever subroutines you want 08:20 chris its only in C4/Languages in 3.2 because it is bar far the slowest 08:20 chris and every single page uses it 08:20 chris by far even 08:20 Genji Ah. 08:20 chris hi kf 08:20 chris actually i think one other module 08:20 chris grep "memoize" in master 08:20 Genji What is not safe to cache? 08:21 chris anything that changes 08:21 chris ie, dont cache a borrowers issues 08:22 chris C4/Biblio.pm: memoize_memcached( 'GetMarcStructure', memcached => $memcached, expire_time => 600 ); 08:22 chris another one that is safe 08:23 chris (ie things that change very rarely) 08:24 chris caching the config is good too 08:25 chris id actually cache the config for hours 08:25 * Genji nods. "All these system pref calls, using dumpYAML and LoadYAML? 08:25 chris you pretty much never change the koha-conf.xml 08:25 chris and if you ever do, it will be at the command line 08:26 chris so you can just restart memcached at the same time to clear the cache 08:26 Genji Hmm... is there a method of forcing memcache to take a fresh version? 08:26 chris and parsing that xml is slow 08:26 chris it will take whatever version you give it 08:26 Genji YAML parses the koha-conf.xml? 08:26 chris no need to force it 08:27 chris but knowing it has changed from within koha .. pretty much impossible 08:27 chris in 3.0 sys pref calls are just db lookups, no point caching those 08:28 Genji 5.81 0.150 0.150 9785 0.0000 0.0000 DBI::st::execute 08:28 Genji Might be a good idea to take the call count down abit. 08:29 CGI1985 plz solve my prob 08:29 chris well for most of those the overhead of the cache is slower than the lookup 08:30 chris caching slow queries is the win, caching fast ones (like the syspref ones) is actually slow 08:30 CGI1985 etc/ 08:31 Genji CGI1985: okay, we can try.. but not promising miracles. 08:31 CGI1985 this is not working /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm initialized 08:31 chris that isnt a command 08:31 CGI1985 Genji: Thank you 08:31 chris what command are you actually running CGI1985 ? 08:31 Genji think you might be trying to configure CPAN? 08:31 CGI1985 Yeah 08:32 chris Genji: all that yaml stuff is actually C4::Auth the session management, it serialises the session using yaml 08:32 Genji chris: serializes the session? 08:32 CGI1985 http://pastebin.org/62063 08:32 chris Genji: you know what serialising objects is? 08:33 Genji Uh... no. 08:33 CGI1985 Genji: above is taken from the documentation 08:34 chris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serialization 08:34 chris CGI1985: so you answer yes at the prompt? 08:34 chris ie you ran 08:34 chris sudo cpan Algorithm::CheckDigits SMS::Send HTTP::OAI 08:39 Genji so, YAML is an unavoidable 'hotspot'? can't cache it? 08:39 chris no 08:40 CGI1985 wht a hell! why is my IRC going offline after some time 08:40 CGI1985 chris: wht should I do? 08:40 Genji okay.... is there many method of seeing what calls st::execute 9000 odd times? 08:40 chris CGI1985: run 08:41 chris sudo cpan Algorithm::CheckDigits SMS::Send HTTP::OAI 08:41 chris thats all 08:41 CGI1985 I ran this 08:41 CGI1985 then? 08:41 chris thats it 08:41 chris if it installed the modules 08:42 CGI1985 yes it installed 08:42 chris then its done 08:42 CGI1985 ok so I dont need to initialize it? 08:42 chris not if it installed the modules no 08:43 CGI1985 ok couple of thanks 08:43 CGI1985 I still need u to finish the koha 08:44 CGI1985 It show that that -f is invalid 08:44 CGI1985 $ sudo -u ${KOHA_USER} zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 08:45 Ropuch^ sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 08:45 Susan-dev Good day everyone 08:46 Susan-dev I have a question that hopefully someone can answer. 08:46 Susan-dev I have Koha 3.0, and everything works fine before, when I import marc record/add items 08:46 Susan-dev It displays in the search, but I noticed THIS only works when I use the "DDC" classification,rather than LLC 08:46 Susan-dev If I pick the Library of congress classification, and the itemcallnumber points to the LLC call number 08:47 Susan-dev it no longer returns any results on the search 08:47 Susan-dev and I am unsure of where to go from here..or what to search for.. 08:47 chris using zebra or nozebra? 08:47 Genji might be a zebra misconfig. 08:47 Susan-dev zebra 08:47 Susan-dev zebra 08:47 CGI1985 ropuch: sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xmlsudo: no passwd entry for koha! 08:47 * Genji has had alot of fun with zebra Voodoo. 08:48 chris and you reindexed after you changed it it LLC ? 08:48 Susan-dev it auto indexes 08:48 Susan-dev automaically I have it in a crontab 08:48 Susan-dev root crontab 08:49 Genji ahh 08:49 Genji theres the problem 08:49 Susan-dev and If i change it back to dewy and dewy call number, it works again 08:49 chris that only indexes changed things 08:49 chris it doesnt reindex everything 08:49 Genji never do rebuild as root 08:49 Genji always as the zebra user. 08:49 Genji and yes, it sounds like it might want a complete rebuild... -r 08:50 Susan-dev let me see if I have the -r in the crontab 08:50 Susan-dev give me a minute please 08:50 Genji uhh... still doing it with the wrong user... 08:50 chris you definitely dont want -r in the crontab 08:50 Susan-dev Iok Genji, but root should have access to everything..let me just check the crontab..I will change it to zebra user after thats done :) 08:50 Susan-dev please bear with me 08:51 chris dont change the crontab 08:51 chris you dont want to rebuild the index everytime 08:51 chris just after you make a change like that, something that effects every record 08:52 Susan-dev ...um so what do I do then? 08:52 CGI1985 ? 08:52 CGI1985 wht is its meaning 'sudo: no password entry fo koha' 08:52 Genji Okay,... take zebra rebuild, out of the crontab. 08:52 chris or just leave it there 08:52 chris and run it from the commandline one time 08:53 * chris has to go now, good luck 08:53 * Genji hmms... "Night Chris" 08:53 Susan-dev good night chris 08:53 Genji Chris is right, Susan.. but i wonldn't leave it running in root crontab. 08:54 Genji Zebraidx and the zebra server won't have access to the exported records, if you run reindexing as root. 08:54 Susan-dev my stupid server stopped working 08:54 Susan-dev .....sorry for beign slow hehe 08:54 Susan-dev so how come it worked Genji 08:54 Susan-dev when I was doing Dewy 08:55 Genji You might of rebuilt when it was in the zebra user. 08:55 Genji Or entering it in, or marc importing, did it as the zebra user. 08:56 Susan-dev All I did was marc import 08:56 * Genji nods. 08:56 Susan-dev and it was automatically indexing it behind the scenes 08:56 * Genji nods. "And zebraqueue is running as the zebra user. 08:56 Susan-dev I think all run as root 08:57 Genji oh.... not good. 08:58 Susan-dev so what I have in my crontab 08:58 Susan-dev every five minutes 08:58 * Genji nods. "Cut and paste that line. 08:58 Susan-dev zebraidx -c /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-authorities-dom.cfg -g iso2709 -d authorities 08:58 Susan-dev init 08:58 Susan-dev and then similar one for zebra-biblios 08:59 Genji init, does a complete rebuild. 08:59 Genji definately not a good idea to do as root. 08:59 Susan-dev then rebuild)zebra -b -a 08:59 Susan-dev I guess without the -r 09:00 Susan-dev which chris said is needed. I will try -r to see what happenes 09:00 Susan-dev but a question, it is ok to have the init for authorities and biblios on this crontab 09:00 Susan-dev or no 09:00 Susan-dev I understand the user issue, but as a process, is it ok? 09:01 Genji init is rebuilding.. its basically the same as -r in rebuild_zebra ... so not a good idea. 09:03 Genji Hmm.... 09:03 Susan-dev sory 09:03 Susan-dev it is taking me 1 minute to type each letter on my vmware server 09:03 Susan-dev -_- 09:03 Genji Eek. 09:04 Genji MAybe you have a task soaking up cpu time. 09:04 Genji Oh, your irc session is running on this VMWare server? 09:04 Susan-dev no no 09:04 Susan-dev my irc is outside 09:04 Susan-dev but i am trying to put commands on my vmware server 09:05 Susan-dev by the way what time is it wher eyou are? I don't want to keep you awake 09:05 Susan-dev though I would sure love the help 09:05 Genji Ah okay, run the command 'top' and tell me whats the top of the list. 09:05 Genji meh, its only 10pm 09:05 imp 10am here ;) 09:05 Susan-dev it says xorg 09:05 Susan-dev perl 09:05 Susan-dev zebraqueue 09:06 Susan-dev stuff like that.. :) 09:06 Genji hrm. how much % is perl and zebraqueue taking up? 09:07 Susan-dev by the way..I think the -r worked 09:07 Susan-dev so you are saying this -r only do it if I make a big change like this 09:08 * Genji nods. "Generally, -r isnt necessary every five minutes." 09:08 Susan-dev how about the init one 09:08 Susan-dev when should I do them?? 09:08 Susan-dev so I can change the time 09:09 Genji take out the init 09:09 Susan-dev completly?? 09:09 Susan-dev *Scared* everything might not work again... 09:09 Genji just the 'init' 09:09 Susan-dev ok will do 09:10 Genji the word init, deletes the zebra db each time it indexs. 09:10 Susan-dev oh i see, just the init word 09:10 Susan-dev the rest of the command leave it 09:10 Genji which will take alot longer than updating. 09:11 Genji And you need to change the command from root user to the zebra user... which is inside the zebra config file. 09:11 Susan-dev zebra config file?? 09:11 Susan-dev where do I find that 09:12 Genji oh.. maybe koha config file will give you what you want too. 09:12 Genji koha-conf.xml 09:13 Susan-dev ok I opened the file 09:13 Susan-dev the user under biblioserver is koha koha 09:14 Genji right. okay. so, copy the necessary cron lines from the root cron to the koha cron (without the init) and then delete the cron entries you copied, from the root cron. 09:14 Susan-dev ok, thanks Genji :) I am just glad the -r is ok 09:14 Susan-dev hehe 09:16 Genji Let me know when youve done hte cron thing, your not done yet. 09:16 Susan-dev why am i not done? hehe 09:16 Susan-dev the problem is..the server is run as root 09:16 Susan-dev and the koha folder is owned by root 09:16 Susan-dev and zebra files are owned by root 09:17 Genji Need to repair the damage done due to reindexing as root 09:17 Susan-dev having it be owned by koha before was annoying me 09:17 Susan-dev :( 09:17 Genji oh! 09:17 Susan-dev I can't change it on this machine Genji, because this is Production 09:17 Susan-dev Test is screwed up, I have to make a clone of prod and replace test 09:17 Susan-dev then I can reset the owners 09:17 Genji oh! 09:17 Susan-dev you know what I mean? 09:18 Susan-dev brb 09:18 Genji Not a good idea to run things on production machines as root... but oh well. 09:21 Genji doublechecking, do ' ps aux | grep 'zebra' ' 09:26 Susan-dev OK let me do that now 09:26 Susan-dev ok what shoudl I list? 09:27 Susan-dev there is koha-zebra-ctl.koha daemon runnig under koha user 09:27 Susan-dev koha-zebrauqueue-ctl-koha running under user koha 09:27 Susan-dev and perl -I /usr/share/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon under koha user 09:27 Susan-dev me is confused, I thought I am running from root cron 09:27 Susan-dev maybe there is another cron.. 09:27 Genji nope. 09:28 Genji those are running as they should be. 09:28 Genji you definately need to move yor reindexing from the root cron to the koha cron. 09:28 Genji and repair the permissions. 09:28 Genji and then do a complete rebuild. 09:28 Susan-dev ok, I will do my best..though I need a test machine to make those changes...finish them then move to prod 09:28 Susan-dev right now i am on PROD directly 09:29 Susan-dev hehe 09:29 Genji Ya.. not a good idea. 09:29 Susan-dev by the way, do you what differences exist between koha 3 and 3.02 09:29 Genji Unknown. I myself am working with a Saudi Arabian library, whos afraid to upgrade to newer versions. 09:30 Genji They're stuck on Koha 3.0rc1 .. or in other words, Koha 3.0 final. 09:30 Susan-dev I am in the UAE and on top of all this, I have to upgrade koha to that...which meanas I have to do svn vendor branches and compare our customizations with 3.02 code 09:30 Susan-dev aish hehe 09:30 Susan-dev anyways, thanks for you time. Appreciate it :D 09:31 Genji Wow, we have similar challenges. 09:31 Genji Sounds like you have more devel people than just you? 09:32 Susan-dev nope 09:32 Susan-dev only me :) 09:32 Genji Yet your using svn internally, interesting.. 09:33 Susan-dev I worked in Canada, and I am used to SVN, and I have to track my changes 09:33 Susan-dev 1 person can also make mistakes :) 09:33 Susan-dev but now in the UAE, probably not a lot of people use svn 09:33 Susan-dev hehe 09:33 * Genji is also developing solo. "Didn't do any versioning yet, because boss said the time spent, might not be worth it." 09:34 Susan-dev I actually have to make time out of nothing...I have many people breathing down my neck, and not on just koha 09:34 Susan-dev on opesis , open erp 09:35 Susan-dev and internal joomla websites 09:35 Susan-dev I should be given a raise hehe 09:35 Genji so, you work X hours, but bill less than X hours? 09:36 Susan-dev no I am a full time employee here, I work in Abu dhabi 09:36 Susan-dev not internationally 09:36 Susan-dev its 1:30 PM here 09:37 Susan-dev I should do contracting work, probably better right? 09:37 Genji Eh, prehaps not. Then you'd have to deal with your own tax returns? 09:37 Susan-dev no taxes here :) 09:38 Genji No taxes in UAE? 09:38 Susan-dev no 09:38 Susan-dev none 09:38 Genji All your money? King gets nothing? 09:38 Susan-dev King has billions 09:39 Susan-dev why should he care for taxes? 09:39 Susan-dev Abu dhabi has oil 09:39 Genji Wow... 09:39 Genji Whens the next flight? :) 09:39 Susan-dev :) 09:39 Susan-dev hope the US doesn't try and make war again in hopes of finding weapons of massive destruction 09:40 Genji Anyway, hmm.... So, you have modded koha 3.0 for arabic? 09:40 Susan-dev no, english 09:41 Susan-dev In here, they speak mostly english to communicate between each other 09:41 Susan-dev all organizations , english is a must 09:41 Genji Ah. Interesting. 09:41 Susan-dev and also my apologies for saying this term, but there are more "white" people here, than arabs....no offence intended! 09:41 Susan-dev but alot of caucasians come here for the money 09:41 Susan-dev because they get paid maybe 3x or 4x the typical arab here 09:42 Genji So, even though Saudi Arabia and UAE have common cultural base, sounds like the language frequency is different? 09:42 Susan-dev or indian or paki or philipino 09:42 Susan-dev Abu dhabi is racist hehehe 09:42 Susan-dev Saudi is different absolutly. Its very radical 09:42 Genji The library im working for, most of the interface is Arabic. 09:43 Susan-dev From what I know...not many are educated to know english very well. Most of the UAE nationals are sent internationally for studies 09:43 Susan-dev a western degree is valued more here than other degrees 09:44 Susan-dev sorry Genji, I have to go. Thanks alot for your patience and help! :) 09:44 Susan-dev and hope you learned a bit more about the UAE :) hehe 09:44 Genji Of course, come back when you need to. 09:44 Susan-dev maybe you might come for work, but after the economy settles 09:44 Genji You will definately need to repair things. 09:45 Susan-dev I will do that 09:45 Susan-dev :) 09:45 Genji So, clone, and come back, eh? 09:46 Susan-dev Once our system administrator comes back from his long holiday 09:46 Susan-dev Dec 22 :) 09:46 Susan-dev so not today :( 09:47 Susan-dev Good night, I am off :) 09:47 Susan-dev Thanks again 09:47 Genji Wow, that was interesting. 10:20 Susan-dev Hi everyone, anyone familiar why I get duplicate marc records. Even though Its just one marc record, but I clicked the "Save" button mutliple times 10:20 Susan-dev I even tried re-indexing and rebuilding zebra 10:20 Susan-dev still get 3 duplicate records, 2 of - items, and 1 with 1 item 10:20 Susan-dev but its the same marc record! 10:34 kf which version of koha do you use Susan-dev? 10:36 Susan-dev koha 3.0 10:38 Ropuch^ Hi kf [; 10:38 kf hi Ropuch^ 10:39 kf 3.0.0? or 3.0.x? 10:39 Susan-dev no just 3.0 10:39 Susan-dev ummm I only know chown koha /directory 10:39 Susan-dev how do I make it owned by group 10:39 Susan-dev sorry wrong window :) 10:42 kf I think I saw someone reporting an error like this on the mailinglist some time ago 10:43 kf but (of course) cant find it right now 10:43 Susan-dev hehe..I will search the mailing list also, 10:43 Susan-dev Thanks kf :) 10:44 kf perhaps its just a problem with zebra? you could try rebuilding your index 10:45 kf http://spedr.com/2o9v8 10:46 Genji does koha 3.2 suffer from the marc importer having no visual response when pressing 'Save'? 10:46 kf when staging files? 10:46 Genji Thats what Susan-dev's case is. Librarian, not computer savvy, clicked save multiple times. 10:46 Susan-dev no 10:46 Susan-dev its fine, save just stays on the same page 10:46 Susan-dev if I click it 10:47 Susan-dev I did a complete rebuild with -r option 10:47 Susan-dev and it still gives me duplicate records 10:47 Susan-dev and I don't know why 10:47 Genji As root user? or koha user? 10:47 Susan-dev if I look at the mysql db it has only 1 marc record representing the culprint 10:47 Susan-dev well honestly I really don't know..when we did ps -ex it says everything is owned by root 10:48 Susan-dev but the reality is the only crontab that has the rebuild functionality is under ROOT 10:48 Susan-dev its a root crontab 10:48 kf ah sorry 10:48 Susan-dev so right now I finished doing the /var/lib/koha to be owned by koha:koha 10:48 Susan-dev now I will do rebuild adn see what happens..pray for me :D 10:48 Genji wait! 10:48 Genji su koha 10:48 Genji first. 10:48 Genji then type this, exactly. 10:49 Susan-dev ok 10:49 Genji perl -I/usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra -b -a -r 10:49 Susan-dev ok let me try 10:49 Genji doublecheck its being done under koha. 10:49 Susan-dev I am user koha 10:50 * Genji nods. "good." 10:51 Susan-dev cant find perl script 10:51 Susan-dev i think rebuild_zebra.pl 10:51 Susan-dev right? 10:52 Genji woops. 10:52 Genji right. 10:52 Genji good catch. 10:52 * Genji usually relies on tab completion. 10:52 Susan-dev ok for biblios 10:52 Susan-dev it says 12 records 10:52 Susan-dev let me see mysql and how many records there are 10:53 Genji Oh, you just started the database? 10:53 Susan-dev It does not have a lot of data.. 10:53 Susan-dev its still not used right now 10:54 * Genji nods. 10:54 Susan-dev but its stil the only machine thats working properly, thats why I am scared of screwing it up 10:54 Genji So, did it work? 10:54 Susan-dev now, let me just check the mysql to see how many actual records are there 10:54 Susan-dev give me a minute, gotta go to webmin 10:55 Susan-dev oko so now narrowed it even more 10:55 Susan-dev its not zebra 10:55 Susan-dev its mysql 10:55 Susan-dev it has 3 records of the MARC record instannce 10:55 Genji hmm? 10:55 Susan-dev why does save , STILL save eventhough it exists in the db 10:55 Susan-dev booooo 10:57 Susan-dev you know, let me try with a new record 10:57 Genji I'd suggest causing save to lock the save button, until the page reloads for the next input, via javascript,,, and just start the db over, since you have only 12 records. 10:57 Susan-dev and click save on it multiple times 10:57 Susan-dev let me see if that happens or not 10:58 Genji or have the click cause some feedback to occur... like "Saving Marc record...." 10:58 Genji Via AJAX, or just plain javascript. 10:59 Susan-dev so I just created a marc record 11:00 Susan-dev clicked save 11:00 Susan-dev I will not create an item, RATHER i will click the BACK BUTTON 11:00 Susan-dev now click SAVE again 11:01 Genji why would you do that? 11:01 Susan-dev oh...it says Duplicate Record suspected 11:01 Susan-dev is this a duplicate ? 11:01 Susan-dev thats promising, I guess the librarian changed something on the record before and thats why it saved multiple instancnes 11:01 Susan-dev WEll genji, a user always clicks Back :) 11:01 Susan-dev you know never hehehe 11:02 Susan-dev you never nkow.. 11:02 Susan-dev I am getting tired... 11:02 Genji Hmm.. okay, so the librarian has trouble learning the rules of data entry, don't click back.. 11:02 Susan-dev oh genji, if you only knew 11:02 Susan-dev :) 11:03 Susan-dev yay! :) it works great 11:03 Genji We fixed it? 11:04 Susan-dev now the next time I go to the library for training, I will hear, "its useless, its buggy, I want millenium:" 11:04 Susan-dev -_- 11:04 Genji .... 11:04 Genji Just don't pick Liblime Koha. 11:04 Susan-dev .....wait actually 11:04 Susan-dev how did it index this new marc record 11:04 Genji Promise me, don't got to Liblime Enterprise Koha. 11:04 Susan-dev I commented out the root crontab 11:04 Susan-dev .....>-<!! 11:04 Genji zebra-queue indexed it. 11:05 Susan-dev I am confused genji..don't I have to do rebuild zebra???? 11:05 Genji nope. 11:05 Susan-dev for something to be returned to be on the result page?? 11:05 Genji hardly ever. 11:05 Susan-dev where is this zebra-queue running 11:05 Susan-dev and who is running it?? 11:05 Genji type: 11:05 Genji ps aux | grep 'zebra' 11:06 Genji its run as a daemon, started in init.d 11:06 Susan-dev ...ummm....oh right I remember I did that step along time ago 11:06 Susan-dev when I first installed koha 11:06 Genji Its created to watch a table called zebraqueue, for updates. 11:07 Susan-dev ok, so now what do I need in my nice crontab 11:07 Susan-dev the fines? the overdues? and what else? 11:07 Genji I believe this stuff: 11:07 Genji http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:cronjobs 11:08 Susan-dev ok thats perfect 11:08 kf its recommended to use rebuild_zebra, not zebra_queue 11:08 Genji edit it to suit. And koha crons should be running as koha. 11:09 Susan-dev ok, koha it is :) Thanks genji 11:09 * Genji nods. "For big libraries that have more than 30 transactions a second... use zebra_rebuild, without the -r 11:09 kf ah sorry :) 11:09 Genji kf: its a second right? 11:09 Susan-dev we have close to 3000 books 11:09 Susan-dev so only -a -b 11:10 kf Genji: a second? 11:10 * Genji nods. "only -a -b" 11:10 Genji Or is it -z.... one second. 11:10 greenmang0 can anybody tell me how to configure zebra for kete?? 11:11 Susan-dev You have a pm Genji. -z does not work for me.. 11:11 kf only -a -b will index all records - -z will only index updated from zebra_queue table as far as I know 11:11 Genji ah Susan-dev.. you've tried -z before huh? 11:11 Susan-dev before yes 11:12 Susan-dev my zebra does not like it 11:12 Susan-dev hehe 11:12 Genji ... Like it, before or after the user change? 11:12 Susan-dev no I think it does not like the option.. 11:12 Susan-dev can't remember.. 11:12 Genji Try it now, as koha. 11:12 Genji rebuild_zebra -b -a -z 11:12 Susan-dev ok 11:12 greenmang0 anybody??? with kete??? 11:13 Susan-dev sorry greenmang, for me I don't know about kete :) 11:13 greenmang0 Susan-dev: i am /me 11:13 greenmang0 greenmang0: 11:13 greenmang0 :D 11:15 Susan-dev - z works fine 11:15 Susan-dev it says 0 records exported on both 11:15 Susan-dev because there are no new recorsd 11:16 Susan-dev Thanks everyone :) 11:16 Genji yup. You haven't changed anything recently. 11:16 greenmang0 Genji: any experience with kete? 11:16 Genji so, put rebuild_zebra -b -a -z inside koha's crontab, maybe every 5 minutes. 11:16 Susan-dev I will.. 11:17 Susan-dev I will follow that crontab example you sent. Thanks for your help. 11:17 Susan-dev Appreciate it 11:17 Genji And, I think..... disable zebra-queue.. 11:17 Genji since -b -a -z is doing its job. 11:17 Genji kf: what you think? 11:17 greenmang0 kf: ever tried kete? 11:18 Susan-dev Will do. Ok I am off for now, Thanks alot Genji. Hvae a good night. I hope you find someone to help you greenmang, try the koha dev mailing list 11:19 Susan-dev :) Best to everyone, 11:22 greenmang0 anybody here who can help me with kete? 11:22 kf greenmang0: i have no experience with kete 11:23 kf Genji: I think it sounds right 11:23 greenmang0 kf: ok :( 11:23 kf greenmang0: I think its mainly used in nz 11:24 kf greenmang0: they are all sleeping now, so mailing list is a good suggestion, you will reach more people there too 11:57 kf lunch 12:34 Ropuch^ Hello nengard 12:34 nengard howdy Ropuch 13:13 Ropuch nengard: you still looking for authorities to import? 13:14 nengard yup 13:16 Ropuch nengard: how many do you want? ;> 13:17 Ropuch I can export some authorities for you (in polish only) 13:18 nengard Ropuch, it's for the English version of the manual - so I kind of need some English authorities - which is why I was using the LOC records - which you can export - but for some reason they wouldn't import 13:21 Ropuch nengard: I can import them with no problem 13:21 Ropuch (Loc auth) 13:21 nengard which file type did you export? 13:21 nengard I'll try again 13:21 Ropuch MARC(UNICODE/UTF8) 13:23 Ropuch ./bulkauthimport.pl -file ~/Pobrane/Pwebrecon.cg 13:24 Ropuch ./bulkauthimport.pl -file ~/Pobrane/Pwebrecon.cgi 13:24 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools$ perl bulkauthimport.pl -file /Users/nengard/Desktop/Pwebrecon\(2\).cgi 13:24 Ropuch rebuild zebra and it's in 13:24 nengard 0 MARC record done in 0.000335931777954102 seconds 13:24 kf rename the file to mrc 13:24 nengard it says zero 13:24 Ropuch nengard: add -v 2 at the ond of command 13:25 Ropuch nengard: can you pint me to the authority you're trying to import? 13:25 Ropuch *point 13:25 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools$ perl bulkauthimport.pl -file /Users/nengard/Desktop/Pwebrecon\(2\).mrc -v 13:25 nengard 0 MARC record done in 3.09944152832031e-06 seconds 13:25 nengard I'm importing my own authority record :) 13:25 nengard search for Nicole Engard 13:26 kf thats cool 13:27 kf hm, it looks ok for me 13:27 kf we import auth-records into koha nightly 13:28 jwagner Has anyone written an interface from the staff client to authority import yet? 13:29 jwagner It's really needed, I think. 13:29 kf jwagner: we use command line tools, its an automated process, importing records from our union catalog every night 13:30 nengard jwagner - nope - but i'd love to see it 13:30 jwagner May have to do something about that... 13:33 nengard :) 13:45 nengard owen - read the koha list - ata has a set of sample authorities you can import (you were asking for that right?) 13:46 owen Oh cool, hadn't made it through my mail yet 13:52 hdl_laptop nengard: bulkmarcimport in 3.2 has -a option to import authorities 13:52 nengard hdl you rock!! Thank you - off to give that a whirl 13:52 nengard wait - where does the -a go? 13:53 nengard misc/migration_tools/bulkauthimport.pl -file /Users/nengard/Desktop/Samples/authority/personalname/all.mrc -a 13:53 nengard ? 13:56 nengard I get Unknown option: a 13:58 magnusenger nengard: misc/migration_tools/bulk*MARC*import.pl, not misc/migration_tools/bulkauthimport.pl ? 13:59 owen bulkmarcimport.pl -a is now preferable to bulkauthimport.pl? 13:59 nengard magnusenger - nope: 13:59 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -file /Users/nengard/Desktop/Samples/authority/personalname/all.mrc -a 13:59 nengard 0 MARC records done in 0.000648975372314453 seconds 14:00 jdavidb Gee, can the script be any more precise on that time, please? Imma file a bug report on that. 14:01 owen jdavidb: Someone traveling back in time to prevent themselves from importing authority records would need accurate records of the event 14:01 jdavidb Exactly! Precision is very important! 14:02 magnusenger nengard: how about pastebin'ing the authority, perhaps there's something wrong with it? 14:02 nengard magnusenger - i can do that - but i've tried with several - one from LOC, one from someone else using Koha and then the batch from ata 14:02 magnusenger ok, that's probably not it then... 14:03 nengard here's one: http://koha.pastebin.com/m33bc0f00 14:03 nengard one i need to figure out how to get them to update 14:04 magnusenger nengard: tried the "-v 2" option to bulkmarcimport.pl? 14:04 nengard will do now 14:05 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -file /Users/nengard/Desktop/Samples/authority/personalname/all.mrc -v 2 14:05 nengard Characteristic MARC flavour: MARC21 14:05 nengard 0 MARC records done in 0.00573086738586426 seconds 14:05 jdavidb Took quite a bit longer to do nothing that time. 14:05 nengard so frustrating - i wish there was an error message of sorts - something that would help me 14:06 hdl_laptop owen: I think so. 14:06 jwagner nengard, do you have another system running a different (earlier) version of head? And do the records import OK there? 14:07 nengard i don't have a diff system 14:07 nengard only the one :( 14:07 nengard anyone else have a problem with the current version of head? 14:07 nengard and marc21? 14:13 kf I know we can import authorities, using 3.01.00.061 14:14 kf but I have not test system for current head yet 14:18 magnusenger nengard: i have a current test (with some additions for normarc) where importing with bulkmarcimport.pl works fine 14:19 magnusenger nengard: are you sure you are feeding it the right file? giving it a non-existing file seems to result in "0 MARC records done", not an error... 14:20 nengard i have no authorities loaded - and i have gotten that error everytime - so i'm not sure how i could be loading dups 14:20 Ropuch I have tested bulkauthimport on plain install of 3.2 head 14:21 veryinky_ kohadocs.org is a bit out of date. version 2.2 14:22 magnusenger nengard: i have tried bulkmarcimport.pl'ing the same file several times now and i get "1 MARC records done" each time, nothing about duplicates 14:23 magnusenger nengard: perl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -file doesntexist -v 1 gives me "0 MARC records done in 0.0120010375976562 seconds" 14:25 nengard hmmmm 14:25 nengard hang on - i'll ftp file to the server and try again 14:27 nengard OH MY!! 14:27 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -file all.mrc -a 14:27 nengard ........ 14:27 nengard 8 MARC records done in 0.115814924240112 seconds 14:27 veryinky_ I'm trying to add a new patron, version 3.0.4, in the staff client, I click on Patrons, then I'm in Koha > Patrons, but clicking on +New does nothing. 14:28 hdl_laptop nengard: cool. 14:28 hdl_laptop magnusenger: a simple deduplication can be done with latest bulkmarcimport. 14:28 hdl_laptop -match parameter 14:29 magnusenger hdl_laptop: nice! 14:29 hdl_laptop Should be improved and take C4::Matcher rule 14:29 hdl_laptop But better than nothing 14:30 owen veryinky_: Yes, kohadocs.org isn't current 14:31 nengard the manual on koha.org is a bit better -but also not up to date 14:31 veryinky_ Hrm. I can add vendors, I can add books, I can add marc files. But the (+New v) vendor button doesn't work. 14:31 veryinky_ er, patron button that is 14:31 nengard a working copy of the manual can be found here: http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=kohadocs;a=summary 14:32 veryinky_ I could add patrons back in 3.0.0 and 3.0.2 14:32 veryinky_ So this is frustrating. 14:33 kf verinky: have you defined borrower categories? 14:33 * veryinky_ nods. I was using http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/patrons 14:33 kf ah, should scroll down first 14:34 veryinky_ I'm trying to create an admin acount for my boss, didn't think he would be a borrower, will make some categories now. 14:35 kf veryinky_: new button will give you a pull down of your categories - create a category for staff for another admin account 14:36 nengard okay all - can you please tell me what command to use to rebuild zebra - I have to be doing something wrong ... . 14:36 nengard i'm just not lucky today at all 14:36 jdavidb rebuild_zebra.pl -r -w -a -b -v is what I usually use. 14:36 veryinky_ kf, thanks. That was the problem. I hadn't created any borrower categories. 14:38 * veryinky_ had created some in the previous install. To be honest though, I hadn't associated staff with borrowers or patrons. 14:43 kf veryinky_: for staff patrons you must set permissions in the next step, so they can log into the staff interface 14:50 * veryinky_ nods. Did that. Was just annoyed at myself for skipping a step. I do that too often. 14:59 nengard thanks jdavidb - seems to be working 14:59 jdavidb yabetcha. :) 15:05 brendan @wunder 93117 15:05 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 1.6�C (7:00 AM PST on December 08, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising). 15:10 kf hi brendan 15:10 brendan hi kf 15:10 kf brendan: I offered paul_p (at least I think it was him) to work on a MARC21 xslt for intranet - but had no time yet :( 15:11 brendan kf great 15:11 brendan I haven't done anything yet either :) 15:12 kf brendan: not sure when I will have time to do it, so I would be happy if you want to work on it 15:12 brendan ok I may poke at it during the week and will send any work I get done 15:13 kf brendan: I wanted to start with opac xslt, jwagner sent some patches for this file, not sure what went into head yet 15:21 jwagner kf, I don't know what might be in the latest head (haven't updated to it yet). From my list, Bug 3750 and Bug 3877 are XSLT-related patches that hadn't made it into head as of a couple of weeks ago. I think the rest of my XSLT stuff was already in head. 15:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3750 enhancement, P5, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Modify XSLT to display subfield n of 111/711 and remove period after 110/710 15:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3877 was not found. 15:22 jwagner Sorry, Bug 3788 -- I'm dyslexic with numbers sometimes. 15:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3788 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, XSLT does not obey viewISBD syspref 15:23 jwagner There's another patch I may do -- for corporate authors, there appears to be no punctuation or separation between subfields in the same entry. For example, 110 or 710 subfield a and subfield b run together. 15:32 kf jwagner: thx :) 15:46 owen Interesting... A new "delete all items" menu item on the staff client biblio view menu 15:46 owen Woe to he who deletes a biblio which is in his cart 15:50 kf can someone explain what keyword-to-marc-mapping does? 15:50 kf its a new 3.2 features, but not sure how this works 15:52 hdl_laptop kf it is also in 3.0 15:53 kf oh, never seen that - perhaps we skipped this feature? went from 3.0 to 3.1 15:53 hdl_laptop It fixed the way subtitles are managed 15:54 hdl_laptop and implements a kind of extended attribute type for records. 15:54 kf not sure I understand it 15:55 hdl_laptop If you need to display or name a particuliar set of tags/subfields, in UNIMARC 200$e for subtitles, 15:55 hdl_laptop and want to name it subtitle 15:55 hdl_laptop then you can use that so that it is desiplayed in detail view even though you are not using XSLT 15:55 kf only for UNIMARC? 15:57 kf thx hdl_laptop 15:57 hdl_laptop would also work for MARC21. you can add whatever you want 15:58 hdl_laptop owen++ for the Cart 15:58 kf yes, owen++ :) 16:27 wizzyrea anyone: objections to making transit slip open/print/close? 16:27 wizzyrea (i know, this really ought to be a syspref) 16:27 wizzyrea (the circ slip already does it 16:27 wizzyrea ) 16:39 * owen is neutral, not being a user of transit slips 16:40 jwagner wizzyrea, I think it would be great if all the slips had the option to print completely automatically -- no manual intervention (even a click) required. Right now, you still have to click on the OK button to print. Staff hate that. But it should be an option, because some people will want to see the slip first. 16:41 kf bye #koha 16:41 wizzyrea jwagner: well, actually 16:41 owen Librarians have a thing about not wanting to click stuff 16:41 wizzyrea the automatic print depends on the configuration of firefox 16:41 wizzyrea this just keeps you from having to close the window 16:41 wizzyrea yourself 16:42 owen Librarians also have a thing about not knowing how to use a keyboard 16:42 wizzyrea lol 16:42 wizzyrea has anybody had complaints about the method applied to the circ receipts? 16:42 wizzyrea (I'm thinking of doing the same for the transit slips) 16:56 owen Has someone already wished to be able to hook the results of a guided report to the new batch modification tool? 16:59 wizzyrea I wonder if anyone knows the answer to this question: I know the SIP server logic 1. Checks items in 2. notices and can print slips for holds but does it 3. confirm the holds? 16:59 wizzyrea or does a human still have to do step 3? 17:00 wizzyrea (it's snowing and I don't want to drive half an hour to test this theory) 17:36 rhcl_in_an_out rpg was my very first programming class. Big mistake. All I remember is that you write it from right to left and it's very structured. 17:37 rhcl_in_an_out Wonder if you could port Koha to RPG? 17:38 Ropuch Maybe he was talking about some kind of role-playing? 17:39 rhcl_in_an_out Yea, I know. I just took off on the RPG part. :) 17:39 jdavidb now, there are heretics, and there is rhcl_in_an_out. 17:39 * veryinky_ hehs. Surprisingly enough, you're not the first to do a report program generator joke. 17:39 rhcl_in_an_out According to wikipedia, RPG is still "popular" on IBM mainframes. 17:40 jdavidb If you're gonna write it in a difficult language, use COBOL. Or Fortran, even. 17:40 * veryinky_ did study RPG, COBOL, REXX, and some other stuff back in college. 17:40 rhcl_in_an_out I still think Ada would be the best alternative port. 17:40 jdavidb or Lisp, even: http://xkcd.com/224/ 17:41 jdavidb I started out with Pascal, and learned a half-dozen others in college--was the lab instructor for Fortran, COBOL, and Modula-2, one term--the *same* term. 17:42 rhcl_in_an_out funy link 17:43 * jdavidb <3 XKCD. 17:43 veryinky_ I remember and hate pascal. 17:43 veryinky_ Once tried to port a pascal project into c++. Gave up half way. 17:43 rhcl_in_an_out My Pascal teacher was Armenian--first day he had just gotten back from a protest march at Washington DC - capitol. But he was a good teacher and Pascal didn't seem that hard. 17:44 rhcl_in_an_out first day of class, I mean 17:44 jdavidb Pascal is very good for teaching structure. If you learn to do something in Pascal, you can eventually do it in almost any other language, and it'll be very maintainable. 17:45 jdavidb Modula-2 was a teaching language that added to Pascal in some useful ways, but it never caught on. 17:45 veryinky_ I learned how to program using turboC 17:45 veryinky_ 2.0 17:45 Ropuch atari basic & logo ;-P 17:45 rhcl_in_an_out Yea, I remember Modula-2 being highly regarded when it was introduced. Wonder why it never became more popular? 17:46 jdavidb I started out on the VIC-20, but I had programmed Atari 2600 BASIC a little before that. 17:46 rhcl_in_an_out Caldo de Pollo for lunch.... 17:46 jdavidb rhcl: It wasn't object-oriented, and that's just before OO programming came out. By the time Modula-2 would have gotten a good foothold, OOP was more-important. 17:46 veryinky_ I think the first thing I wrote was a lemonaid stand game, from a magazine tutorial. 17:47 rhcl_in_an_out oh yes, typing in code published in magazines... 17:49 * jdavidb did that a lot. 17:50 veryinky_ I was 8. :| 17:51 nengard whew - i'm soo tired now - just finished a 2 hour demo - first time speaking that much since getting the sinus infection .. now no more talking for the rest of today :) 17:51 nengard off to make something soothing for lunch :) 17:55 veryinky_ In any event, woke up this morning from a dream about a space based rpg which didn't exist. So I'm thinking about that instead of actual work. 18:00 wizzyrea bleh, we were discussing CAS yesterday, I just updated and I apparently need it, which module do I install? 18:00 wizzyrea i can't find it in my transcripts. Suppose I could look at the online logs 18:03 owen It was in an email from Colin: There was an added dependency - Authen::CAS::Client 18:04 owen But you can turn off the CAS stuff in system preferences 18:10 wizzyrea owen: interestingly, I could not get it to even load it without that dependency 18:10 wizzyrea erroeur 18:10 wizzyrea that's a fancy way of saying it no worky. 18:10 wizzyrea installed it and now it's working again. 18:10 wizzyrea blerg. 18:15 nengard wizzyrea yeah I had that problem too 18:16 wizzyrea oh good. I disabled all of that CAS stuff 18:16 wizzyrea but I still had to install the dependency before I could do that 18:16 wizzyrea anyway 18:17 nengard yup 18:31 brendan howdy gmcharlt 18:45 gmcharlt hi brendan 18:46 chris morning all 18:47 chris wizzyrea: ill send a patch so that it doesnt require the CAS unless you have the syspref on 18:47 chris the way the code is now, its going to require that module even if it doesn't use it 18:48 chris CAS is cool as hell tho 18:48 chris its LDAP done right 18:50 chris so you can have CAS server, that talks in the back to a RADIUS system over here, windows active directory over there, LDAP over somewhere else, maybe x509 too 18:50 jwagner Fines question for people -- if the circ rule specifies a one-day grace period, and the item is, say, four days overdue, does it charge four days' worth of fines or only three? 18:50 chris and provides a consistent api so instead of koha needing to understand all that, it just needs to understand CAS 18:52 chris i would expect 3 18:52 chris but id have to look at the code jwagner 18:56 chris ok bus time, bbl 18:57 cait hi #koha 19:13 schuster Every time I print it to show acq, date added, price etc. it shows me a blank form or only shows things that are drop downs. 19:15 cait ah pootle is back :) 19:16 jwagner gmcharlt, I always have trouble counting up days for overdue, but I think the grace period is not being included in the total fines. I made something due on the 1st, with a 1 day grace period and a $1/day fine. Running the fines cron today came up with a total of $6 in fines. If it were including the grace period day, shouldn't it be $7? 19:16 gmcharlt yep 19:17 jwagner So it's not including the grace period. That's what I needed to check. Thanks. 19:18 gmcharlt are you taking holidays into account, though? 19:18 jwagner No holidays in that time span, so it shouldn't matter. 19:18 joetho jwagner , that's where I have been getting my info, albfeit from the worldwide version, not the US version 19:19 joetho your link is US, mine was worldwide. Same info 19:19 jwagner joetho, the info on that page works for me -- I've always connected OK. 19:20 joetho hmmm. Maybe I misspelled something. Lord knows I know how to misspell stuff! 19:23 jwagner joetho, did you include the account ID/password in the z39.50 setup? It's required. 19:25 joetho uh oh, I assumed it allowed anonymous 19:26 jwagner Nope. Gotta pay for OCLC. 19:26 joetho yes, we get charged every time we use it for other stuff 19:27 joetho do they charge for z39 "hits"? 19:27 joetho wow, I am talkin street talk 19:28 gmcharlt joetho: ask the dealer^W source 19:29 jwagner My memory from several years ago (dunno what's current) is that the z39.50 connection is actually MORE costly than their client -- you're charged by the hitlist because they have no good way to track which record(s) you actually download. 19:29 joetho must be some good sh** 19:37 jwagner Speaking of z39.50, does anyone know the default database name for a Horizon catalog? 19:37 jwagner I tried HORIZON but it didn't work. 19:39 cait dont know if there is one, but in irspy there are many with db = horizon 19:39 cait http://spedr.com/4e05u 19:39 wizzyrea hey, where can a patron change their OPAC Privacy settings? 19:40 wizzyrea in current head 19:41 nengard privacy settings? 19:41 nengard patrons can't change those ... 19:42 nengard or do you mean messaging preferences? 19:42 cait I think there is a new feature for reading history 19:42 nengard oh yeah - i remember that ... is that is the current head? 19:42 chris back 19:43 nengard welcome back 19:43 cait hi chris 19:43 cait should be in opac I think, I only saw the patches (no test installation atm...) 19:44 nengard i would think there is a sys pref as well 19:44 nengard wizzyrea - OpacPrivacy system preference 19:44 nengard turn it on 19:45 chris lol 19:46 nengard and - there is a 'search history' link at the top of the OPAC on the right 19:46 nengard but I don't know howto change my privacy settings ... i turned it on but don't see naything in the opac 19:46 chris phasefx: you about? :) 19:46 nengard naything = anything 19:46 wizzyrea hmm I 'm not seeing that 19:46 wizzyrea interesting 19:46 wizzyrea setting is on 19:46 nengard which - search history - or the preference? 19:47 wizzyrea ohh, hm, that does not do what it says it does 19:47 wizzyrea or at least, not what I was expecting it to. 19:47 wizzyrea I thought it would clear your reading history 19:47 nengard me too 19:47 nengard that's what paul was developing it to do 19:47 nengard he started it at kohacon 19:48 wizzyrea if ON, allows patrons to define their privacy rules (reading history) *description, not clear. :( 19:48 nengard maybe we're just missing a template file 19:48 wizzyrea i was all excited ;) 19:49 wizzyrea seems likely 19:49 nengard wizzyrea - this is all i can find: http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha&a=search&h=HEAD&st=grep&s=OpacPrivacy 19:49 nengard a database update - but no template updates ... 19:50 nengard anyone else know any differently? 19:51 chris i think its best to just ask the people who wrote it 19:52 chris everyone else is just guessing 19:53 nengard yeah - was hoping one of them was here and would see what we were asking :) not sure who at biblibre is still on - and/or at work 19:54 chris its about 8pm there, unlikely to be anyone around 19:54 cait its late here - 9pm 19:54 wizzyrea eh will make a note and ask tomorrow maybe 19:54 nengard wizzyrea I'll send a message via the mailing list for them to answer when they're awake tomorrow and we're sound asleep :) 19:54 wizzyrea also an excellent plan 19:56 nengard hehe 19:57 nengard notes are no good to me 19:57 nengard i'll forget to read the note :) hehe 19:57 wizzyrea lol 19:57 chris song of the day http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/Pukaea+The+Trumpet/10794194 19:57 wizzyrea Yay song of the day! 20:00 joetho jwagner , try Horizon with a cap then lowercase. 20:01 joetho jwagner , try dynix or dynixa too. 20:02 chris pinepine te kura, hau te kura = the treasue is small, the treasue is famous 20:04 owen nengard: No luck with the batch item modifications for me either 20:05 jwagner joetho, no luck with any of those variations. 20:05 nengard hmm 20:05 |Lupin| hello there :) 20:06 cait hi |Lupin| 20:06 |Lupin| guten Abend cait :) 20:06 cait guten Abend :) 20:06 jwagner I'm testing the Smithsonian library -- I know it used to work but it doesn't now. Their setup page has the same address & port number, but doesn't specify database name, and their tech person doesn't seem to know what it is. 20:07 Genji http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibLime 20:07 Genji Reads like Liblime's website. 20:08 wizzyrea Global leader in open source solutions for libraries? 20:08 |Lupin| my librarian asks me hther it is possible to see all members of one given site... anybody knows, pls ? 20:08 * wizzyrea bonks herself with an iron frying pan: "oh, the marketingspeak has infiltrated my brain!" 20:09 * wizzyrea passes out 20:09 wizzyrea |Lupin| I'm sure you could run a custom report to get that info 20:10 |Lupin| wizzyrea: hmm... no easier way ? 20:10 |Lupin| It'b nice to be able to limit patron search to a site... 20:10 wizzyrea not that I am aware of, but I haven't gone looking either 20:10 cait I think this may be possible in 3.2 20:11 wizzyrea oh, actually, cait is right 20:11 wizzyrea that does appear to be possible in current head 20:11 |Lupin| cait: we are running master HEAD, or not too far from that... 20:11 wizzyrea you can filter by library 20:11 |Lupin| wizzyrea: is this part of what has been committed recently, or is that older ? 20:12 cait |Lupin| its in a newer update to head, 20:12 Ropuch chris: so 'kura' means treasure? 20:12 chris it can 20:12 |Lupin| cait: hmm ? 20:12 chris it also means schools 20:12 cait |Lupin| I think its in the big merge from biblibre galen did some days ago 20:14 |Lupin| cait: i see, thans. Will have to rebase our stuff on top of that,I'm sure it's gonna be big fun 20:16 owen Wow, Equinox raiding the Koha devel list for devs! 20:16 chris thats what the lol was for :) 20:16 owen Hands down everyone, you're not going anywhere! 20:16 jwagner Blame gmcharlt! blame gmcharlt! 20:17 jwagner Although the "humane work environment" might be a draw.... 20:18 gmcharlt heh - anyone should feel free to go the other direction, as well 20:18 cait lol 20:19 jwagner But, gmcharlt, it raises the question -- does "humane work environment" mean they don't test code on puppies and kittens? Just on people??? 20:20 gmcharlt jwagner: yes! we're quite proud of the fact that we test only on people!!!! 20:20 gmcharlt (though if any A.I.s want to join the fun, I suppose we can make an exception) 20:20 jwagner I'm sure the ASPCA appreciates that. 20:20 gmcharlt ;) 20:21 owen gmcharlt: I'll mention that to CGI952 if he returns 20:21 |Lupin| hey galen ! nice to see you around, congras for all the commits ! 20:23 wizzyrea |lupin| unfortunately, with the filter, you can restrict your search for something to a specific branch, but you can't show everybody from that branch, unless there's some magic search string that makes that work 20:23 wizzyrea something = patron 20:24 cait would an empty search and restriction work? 20:24 wizzyrea cait: I tried that, my test didn't work :( 20:24 cait oh, perhaps its a bug ;) 20:25 owen wizzyrea, cait, what about '%' ? 20:25 wizzyrea ooh, will check that 20:25 cait or * 20:25 wizzyrea no on % 20:25 wizzyrea no on * 20:25 |Lupin| * worked for me 20:25 wizzyrea hm 20:25 |Lupin| even before the filter patch 20:25 |Lupin| you can see a list of all users 20:26 wizzyrea yes, interestingly, you can't just put it in the little filter text entry box 20:26 wizzyrea you have to put it at the top 20:26 wizzyrea then add the filter 20:26 wizzyrea weird 20:27 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/ZTE1NDkxZW 20:28 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/MGFjZGM3Ym 20:28 wizzyrea top one didn't work 20:28 wizzyrea bottom one did 20:28 cait funny 20:28 cait but you found out :) 20:29 wizzyrea yes, ty cait 20:29 wizzyrea wonder if regular searches work like that... there may be a bug ther 20:29 wizzyrea *there 20:29 cait |Lupin| the solutio is: put * in both search fields - top and filter 20:30 wizzyrea ooh, yea, the filter box doesn't work by itself 20:30 |Lupin| ah ! 20:30 |Lupin| the filter box isnot a drop-down menu where you choose a branch ? 20:30 cait there is a drop down for branches and category codes and a search field 20:30 wizzyrea there is a text input box right above the Library and CategoryCode Dropdowns (terminology fix needed there too) 20:31 cait jinx? 20:31 wizzyrea the search field doesn't seem to work 20:31 wizzyrea triple padlock 20:31 wizzyrea ;) 20:31 wizzyrea j/k 20:31 cait ok, now im confused g 20:31 jransom morning all 20:31 cait good morning jransom 20:31 jransom about to start testing 3.2 20:31 wizzyrea mornin jransom 20:31 |Lupin| thanks anyway cait & wizzyrea 20:32 wizzyrea |Lupin| did you get what you needed? 20:34 owen I don't get it...why doesn't a patron search work if you start from the "filter" form? 20:34 owen ...and why does it work *after* you search through the main "search patrons" form? 20:35 |Lupin| wizzyrea: I know it exists ! 20:35 |Lupin| wizzyrea: I can't test for now because I'll have to merge our branch with the latest head to test... 20:35 |Lupin| I think this is not gonna e an obvious task so I'll keep it for the week-end 20:35 Genji is it safe to cache C4::Biblio::get_biblio_authorised_values? 20:36 cait |Lupin| perhaps wait a little longer, I think there are some bigger bugs to be fixed 20:36 wizzyrea no clue 20:36 |Lupin| cait: ohoh... 20:37 wizzyrea owen: in case you ever come across what I just did with your virtualbox (ssh -p 2222 localhost -> connection refused) just restart ssh on your guest machine (/etc/init.d/ssh restart) 20:37 |Lupin| cait: will in two weeks I'll be away in India for three weeks, so if it's not done before it will have to wait till I'm back... but it's true that if there are some bugs in head, it may not be wise either to merge now... 20:37 wizzyrea dk why it was bustid but that fixed it 20:38 owen Thanks wizzyrea. I shut down this machine every night so I don't suppose I'll run into it. (Makes it hard to maintain a screen session on it ;) 20:38 wizzyrea mine seemed to be broken after moving the vbox image to a new computer 20:38 cait 3 weeks in india, wow 20:39 owen wizzyrea: I wondered if I could carry my vbox image on a thumb drive between work and home 20:39 owen PC -> Mac, though 20:40 jwagner jdavidb, didn't you do a Koha install on a thumb drive? 20:40 jdavidb yup. using a thumb as the filesystem for koha, and also on a virtual disk that was stored on a thumb drive. 20:41 owen jdavidb: What VM software? 20:41 jdavidb virtualbox. 20:41 jdavidb :) 20:42 jdavidb It was slower than molasses, but it *ran*. 20:43 jdavidb (I was running it on an Asus EEE with only 512MB of ram..possibly a contributing factor. :P ) 20:43 * jdavidb waves 20:50 wizzyrea owen: idk why not, as long as you duplicate your vbox settings on both machines. Though, the pc -> mac thing might be problematic 20:51 owen Koha already runs slow enough, may not be worth it. But it would solve my divergent git branches problem in a different way 21:00 |Lupin| good night all 21:02 owen Hmmm... sample serials data. That would be nice too. 21:20 Genji @quote search genji 21:20 munin Genji: No matching quotes were found. 21:20 Genji ah, im not quotable yet, oh well. 21:30 pie help /win 36 21:30 pie heh :) 21:31 Ropuch hm- fatal: patch contains a line longer than 998 characters 22:23 dreece Howdy! 22:23 Ropuch Hi 22:24 dreece Is there anyone that can help me figure out the process for moving from Infocentre to Koha? 22:28 Ropuch I think some devs and experienced users will arrive soon 22:28 Ropuch They always do when I'm going to sleep ;> 22:28 dreece haha 22:28 dreece Thanks :) 22:40 Ropuch I hope someone will show soon 22:40 Ropuch Have some trouble with patch sending 22:41 dreece Yeah.. me too. 22:41 dreece Having issues importing records/holdings. 22:41 rhcl_in_an_out @seen chris 22:41 munin rhcl_in_an_out: chris was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <chris> thats what the lol was for :) 22:41 rhcl_in_an_out chris should be on chat 22:42 Ropuch It's about noon in NZ, isn't it? 22:43 imp right 22:43 rhcl_in_an_out 11:41:14 am NZST | Wednesday, December 9, 2009 22:43 rhcl_in_an_out I think that's right, anyway. I really like Wolfram Alpha 22:45 Ropuch I have fatal: patch contains a line longer than 998 characters while trying to git send-email, don't know if I should sent it in form of an attachement 22:45 rhcl_in_an_out Sorry, I don't know. 22:49 rhcl_in_an_out well, I'm out... 23:36 pianohackr|work hi mason, joetho 23:57 masonj hiya jesse