Time  Nick            Message
23:59 imp             looks fine, lets see if i can add a book
23:57 pianohackr|work Anyway, let's see if this works
23:57 pianohackr|work quack?
23:57 imp             *duck*
23:57 pianohackr|work *whack*
23:56 imp             erm, nope, removed the setenv lines, mom
23:56 pianohackr|work Sorry, I'm getting frustrated with it, not you :)
23:55 pianohackr|work You do still have the SetEnv lines, right?
23:51 imp             (aka nothing works)
23:50 imp             pianohackr|work: now it's missing the C4 stuff
23:47 imp             i'm still wondering why it's using it sometimes and causing a behaviour that looks nearly random...
23:47 pianohackr|work Try disabling mod_perl (removing the LoadModule line) and any config for it, then shutting down and restarting apache, then trying again
23:46 pianohackr|work I suspect a cached value of the syspref is causing problems
23:46 imp             only koha
23:46 pianohackr|work Do you use mod_perl for anything else on this machine?
23:45 pianohackr|work It thinks the Version syspref is 3.00.01.005
23:45 imp             (and the rest is empty / not accessible for koha)
23:44 imp             yes, it's the only koha database
23:43 pianohackr|work Even ones that are deactivated/no longer used?
23:43 imp             pianohackr|work: it's the only one
23:42 pianohackr|work Are there any other koha mysql databases on your system?
23:41 pianohackr|work imp: For some reason, it thinks there's a database on your system with version 3.01.00.005
23:41 imp             jupp
23:40 pianohackr|work imp: still around?
23:22 |Lupin|         ok this day was long enough, so good night r good day to all
23:10 pianohackr|work hi chris_n2
23:10 chris_n2        'evening pianohackr|work
23:07 |Lupin|         but for blocks rather than functions... does perl have such a thing ?
23:07 |Lupin|         looking for something similar to return
23:06 |Lupin|         what can be used to return an expression for that block ?
23:06 |Lupin|         in a block
23:06 |Lupin|         pls perl question...
22:52 |Lupin|         :)
22:51 wizzyrea        |Lupin|: aww, thanks *blush*
22:51 |Lupin|         wizzyrea: I'm pretty sure you're successfull ather often... :)
22:47 wizzyrea        |Lupin|: I aim to please :)
22:46 |Lupin|         any idea what may go wrong here, please ?
22:46 |Lupin|         HTML::Template::Pro:in TMPL_LOOP at pos 2800: PARAM:LOOP:loop argument:loop was expected but not found.
22:46 imp             pianohacker: http://pastebin.ca/1675527
22:45 wizzyrea        cait: you use SIP, right?
22:44 imp             meeeh.... it's logging into the normal apache logfiles as well
22:44 |Lupin|         wizzyrea: nice to have a bit of poetry on #koha :)
22:42 imp             and it still drops me randomly back to the updater...
22:41 imp             pianohacker: just spoted something interesting ->  [error] :Apache2 IO flush: (53) Software caused connection abort at /mnt2/koha-install/lib/C4/Context.pm line 1014
22:39 chris           if you had access to error lgos, you could maybe find out why
22:39 chris           yeah for some reason the moditem part of the issue failed
22:38 chris           :)
22:38 wizzyrea        it's kind of like wiping the condensate off of your mirror in the morning... I have lots more mirror to clear, but I am able to see a little bit more now
22:37 wizzyrea        and thanks for walking me through that, it's always helpful to me to understand how all the bits interact
22:37 wizzyrea        yes, that seems to have resolved the issue of the dual status
22:34 wizzyrea        but I will try re-circing the item
22:33 wizzyrea        and this is the first time I"ve seen this particular wierdness
22:33 wizzyrea        I mean, basehor is a pretty high volume library, and they use their SIPTERMS for 90% of their circ
22:33 wizzyrea        but it's gotta be a special bug, because otherwise we'd be seeing this all the time, right?
22:33 wizzyrea        and (1s, gotta look)
22:33 chris           yeah, sounds like a bug
22:32 wizzyrea        it had no issuing branch
22:32 wizzyrea        also interestingly
22:32 wizzyrea        yea, that part I can handle. I do know that it *was* checked out via SIP
22:32 chris           (you can find the borrowernumber from the issues table also)
22:32 wizzyrea        yea, I think I'll try that
22:32 chris           and see if that fixes it
22:32 chris           is return it, and reissue it to the borrower setting the due_date for the 30th
22:31 wizzyrea        and it should have been for 2 weeks
22:31 chris           what i would do
22:31 chris           right
22:31 chris           and issue date?
22:31 wizzyrea        since the item was checked out on the 9th
22:31 wizzyrea        which is also weird
22:31 wizzyrea        this doesn''t happen very often. 11/30
22:31 chris           when does the issues table say the item is due?
22:30 chris           no idea
22:30 wizzyrea        or a bug in the SIP code?
22:30 pianohacker     imp: weird
22:30 wizzyrea        so like, maybe an interrupted connection?
22:30 imp             pianohacker: maybe it just needed some time to settle down..... tried to reproduce my bug and it worked.... *confused*
22:30 chris           <subfield code="q">2009-12-05</subfield>
22:30 chris           and in the marcxml i see
22:30 wizzyrea        AH
22:30 chris           sip misbehaving
22:30 wizzyrea        speculation is ok
22:29 wizzyrea        any thoughts on what would cause that?
22:29 wizzyrea        yea, it's blankeroonie
22:29 chris           the due date
22:29 chris           +------------+
22:29 chris           | 2009-12-05 |
22:29 chris           +------------+
22:29 chris           | onloan     |
22:29 chris           +------------+
22:29 chris           select onloan from items where itemnumber=3603;
22:29 chris           actually it should be a date
22:28 wizzyrea        well crapper, I suppose to fix it we'd have to edit the DB
22:28 chris           yeah it should be 1
22:27 wizzyrea        god that would have been a lot less painful with access to the db ;)
22:27 wizzyrea        and it shouldn't be, right?
22:27 wizzyrea        yep
22:27 chris           right so items.onloan is null then
22:26 pianohacker     bye, schuster
22:26 schuster        by all.
22:26 wizzyrea        an*
22:26 wizzyrea        and empty column
22:26 wizzyrea        chris that last bit doesn't return anything
22:26 pianohacker     Listing the version it thinks you have and the version it wants
22:26 pianohacker     imp: There should be an error message somewhere in the log when you try to access something and it sends you to the installer
22:25 * wizzyrea      is workin' on it lol
22:25 |Lupin|         chris: yeah it'd be nice to have emplate toolkit, but Ineed the script now so I'll write it and send it to koha-dev...
22:25 pianohacker     imp: mostly empty bag. It sounds like your koha installation has gone schizophrenic
22:24 imp             pianohacker: empty bag? or is there still something left to try? :)
22:24 chris           im sure legacy users might still like it tho
22:24 chris           soon
22:24 chris           |Lupin|: last year yes, but html::template::pro is going to be replaced by template toolkit
22:24 wizzyrea        i'm not sure, from this display, which is $q
22:24 |Lupin|         pianohacker: (it wold take care of includes correctly etc. inspired by the gettemplate function found in C4/Output.pm
22:24 pianohacker     |Lupin|: If you can figure out how to do that, it would be _extremely_ appreciated
22:23 |Lupin|         pianohacker: I'm just writing a quick script I can call from the command-line to see whether the template parses or not... would that be a welcome contribution to Koha ?
22:23 cait            good night #koha :)
22:22 chris           also select onloan from items where itemnumber=whatever
22:22 pianohacker     An unmatched template directive will usually mean 30 minutes of frustrated, random adding and deleting of </TMPL_*> tags rather than a helpful error message
22:21 pianohacker     HTML::Template::Pro is really bad at validation
22:21 pianohacker     |Lupin|: Unfortunately, no
22:19 |Lupin|         quick question... is there a way to check that a template parses from the command-line ?
22:19 chris           what does 952q say
22:18 chris           in the 952
22:18 wizzyrea        ok, I have the result, what am I looking for?
22:17 chris           select marcxml from biblioitems where biblioitemnumber IN (select biblioitemnumber from items where itemnumber=whatever);
22:17 chris           if you dont know you can do
22:16 chris           select marcxml from biblioitems where biblioitemnumber=whatever
22:16 wizzyrea        biblioitem?
22:16 schuster        ok - thanks chris.
22:16 schuster        Currently in my system if there is a 10 digit ISBN - and I type in a 13 digit it pulls up the record.
22:16 chris           wizzyrea: cool so its on loan now we need to know the biblioitemnumber
22:15 chris           ill check that out for you in a sec schuster
22:15 schuster        I was testing on my site some of the 13 digit ISBN enhancement that I had done and wanted to make sure it was in 3.2 as it is NOT on the LL demo site.
22:15 wizzyrea        looks like it was checked out via SIP
22:14 wizzyrea        yea, it's checked out, for sure
22:14 chris           i run about 20 versions schuster :)
22:14 wizzyrea        trying...
22:13 |Lupin|         good day / night all
22:13 schuster        chris - are you running 3.2?
22:13 chris           if you get a row, its on issue
22:12 chris           SELECT * FROM issues WHERE itemnumber = whatever AND returndate IS NULL;
22:12 wizzyrea        doh, too slow
22:12 wizzyrea        gnite nate!
22:12 Nate            goodnight everyone!
22:12 wizzyrea        joetho got access, but had a hard time making it work, or at least that was the last I heard
22:12 chris           ah well, you can probably do it that way
22:12 wizzyrea        you're telling me ;)
22:12 chris           crap
22:12 wizzyrea        no, only through the reports module
22:11 chris           without that, you are pretty much guessing
22:11 chris           oh do you have access to your db?
22:11 wizzyrea        yes, un  moment
22:11 chris           cos you can easily find out if you do
22:11 chris           do you know the itemnumber?
22:11 wizzyrea        with all of the attendant librarian confusion :)
22:10 chris           yep
22:10 wizzyrea        i mean, if the marc_xml says available, and the reserves system is looking at that, then it won't matter what the issues table says, it's going to try to reserve it
22:10 chris           i dont know, i would hope the issues table
22:10 wizzyrea        (wizzyrea would like to understand)
22:09 wizzyrea        mmm unlikely in this case b/c it showed up on the hold queue... do you know, does the reserves system look at the issues table or the marc_xml
22:09 chris           or it could be just zebra lag
22:09 chris           or vice versa
22:09 wizzyrea        so it's data corruption?
22:08 chris           so it must be in the marcxml saying available and in the issues table saying out
22:08 wizzyrea        hrm
22:08 chris           its impossible to be out an not in in the issues table at the same time
22:08 chris           and/or the marc_xml
22:08 chris           wizzyrea: in cases like that i suspect zebra
22:08 imp             pianohacker: more or less, updated my old install
22:07 cait            wizzyrea: i have no idea :(
22:07 wizzyrea        cait: well that's very interesting. Wonder how it happens.
22:06 cait            wizzyrea: I saw this in koha once too, but was not able to reproduce it : available and checked out, but no hold on it
22:06 pianohacker     imp: so that's right. just one install, then?
22:06 imp             (form the db)
22:06 imp             pianohacker: | 3.0004019 |
22:05 wizzyrea        (on the pick list, to be sent to a patron for a hold)
22:05 wizzyrea        that's just nuts
22:05 wizzyrea        *and* it's on the pick list
22:05 wizzyrea        whoa, someone in our consortium just reported an item that shows both checked out, and available
22:01 cait            :)
21:59 imp             cait: "Law Abiding Citizen"
21:57 cait            imp: film?
21:56 pianohacker     oh.
21:56 imp             ;)
21:56 imp             pianohacker: 19:06 < pianohacker> ..., late, for a very important date?
21:55 pianohacker     imp: what?
21:55 imp             pianohacker: just sneak preview with some friends
21:37 wizzyrea        we are one glorious shared database
21:37 wizzyrea        no sir
21:36 schuster        wizzyrea - so you are running independant branches?
21:30 owen            'til tomorrow everyone.
21:29 munin           wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:29 wizzyrea        @later tell jwagner joetho= jwagner : <--jtholen@sekls.org
21:28 wizzyrea        [3:24PM] joetho: <--jtholen@sekls.org
21:28 munin           wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:28 wizzyrea        @later tell jwagner jwagner  can you email me the your consortium using indep. branches contact info? We are having some problems with getting holds and transfers to work the way we want and it seems to be related to ind. br. settings
21:25 joetho          <--jtholen@sekls.org
21:25 joetho          jwagner  can you email me the your consortium using indep. branches contact info? We are having some problems with getting holds and transfers to work the way we want and it seems to be related to ind. br. settings
21:19 brendan         when you talk to him -- say I said hi and see if he remembers me
21:19 brendan         yeah Michael
21:19 joetho          =one man company, I think
21:19 joetho          Phipps
21:19 joetho          Michael likes me.
21:16 brendan         I didn't have that same issue
21:16 brendan         heh -- guess times have changed
21:16 wizzyrea        they don't even answer our calls
21:15 wizzyrea        and we can't get help with it
21:15 wizzyrea        it's so so so so so bad
21:15 brendan         it was there first library so they were very responsive to what I needed it to do
21:15 wizzyrea        don't use librarymetricks!!!
21:15 wizzyrea        oh NO
21:15 brendan         I was very pleased with it
21:15 brendan         I was at a horizon library at that time
21:14 brendan         they have a SIP2 connection so it should work great
21:14 joetho          love it? hate it?
21:14 brendan         in CT
21:14 joetho          whoa
21:14 brendan         I was one of the first libraries to use their product
21:14 joetho          it is a patron PC time/print management system
21:14 brendan         wow Librarymetricks
21:14 joetho          anyone use librarymetricks with koha? I *think* we are going to be the first
21:12 schuster        Well for pete sake what you been up to?...  Talked with a vendor yesterday and their product ONLY works with SIP2 libraries...  I believe we all agreed Koha is SIP2 compliant?
21:12 owen            But it's on your to-do list right brendan? :)
21:11 brendan         oh wait that's not programmed yet
21:11 brendan         Nice -- let's use NCIP
21:11 schuster        brendan - I can ILL you the book...;)
21:10 munin           brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.9�C (1:08 PM PST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling).
21:10 brendan         @wunder 93117
21:07 owen            sekjal++
21:00 chris           Becoming Truly Innovative: Migrating from Millennium to Koha
20:58 chris           the title is worth it alone :)
20:57 chris           everyone go vote for it :-)
20:57 chris           ian walls has submitted a proposal to talk on migrating from millenium to koha
20:57 chris           http://code4lib.org/node/340
20:52 jwagner         joetho, thanks -- catch up with you tomorrow?  I'm about to head out.
20:50 joetho          jwagnfere: this is a problem with our consortium too- I will write you later when I have a minute
20:39 jwagner         Hmmm.  Turning off XSLT for the results list doesn't make a difference either.  Somehow it's not reading the items as "available" or maybe even existing.  More digging tomorrow, I guess.
20:28 jwagner         Turning off Independent Branches didn't make any difference.
20:27 jwagner         Got an OPAC results list puzzler for you.  For a site with Independent Branches on, is there a reason why the Availability line would only list one library?  Or claim no copies are available?  They share bib records, the items can circulate, and do have barcodes.  I've been looking through the .xsl file half the day and I can't see why one or more of the libraries don't show in the list.
20:27 brendan         excellent -- I'll be busy trying to get a part as a hobbit - if they are still shooting at that time
20:27 chris           if not i can lend you mine to read when you are here ;)
20:26 brendan         I'll see if I can find a copy
20:24 chris           it is a really really good read
20:24 * chris         is in the acknowledgements hehe
20:23 chris           schuster has one :)
20:23 chris           brendan: you should see if you can find a copy of this book
20:23 chris           http://www.rsa.org.nz/review/bs2009march/bookreview1.html
20:23 Jo              so exciting to actually see a fantastic search result using the 2 things together
20:23 brendan         yeah -- looks excellent :)
20:22 Jo              glad you liked it :)
20:22 Jo              got your note about Maori Battalion search in Koha
20:22 Jo              Morning Brendan
20:14 brendan         morning Jo
20:12 wizzyrea        mornin jo
20:12 Jo              morning :)
20:12 chris           hi Jo
20:11 joetho          ha! I just switched my laptop over to wireless to go to a meeting. Love it when the magic actually works.
20:11 joetho          am I still connected?
20:11 wizzyrea        joetho, you can pay me in banjo time ;)
20:11 joetho          ummmm, I mean my boss should
20:11 joetho          I should give you each ten bucks.
20:10 joetho          I get SO MUCH out of this IRC forum
20:10 wizzyrea        koha_teamwork++
20:10 joetho          yes, me too
20:10 wizzyrea        (thanks for the help, by the way, everybody)
20:10 wizzyrea        that was where mine was failing before I asked
20:10 wizzyrea        oh yea, if you try to or on IS NOT NULL you will get them all
20:09 jwagner         Looks like I had an OR instead of an AND in mine -- try select borrowers.surname,borrowers.firstname,borrowers.cardnumber,borrowers.mobile, borrowers.branchcode from borrowers where borrowers.mobile != "" AND borrowers.mobile IS NOT NULL ORDER BY borrowers.branchcode asc
20:09 wizzyrea        or possible
20:09 wizzyrea        seems logical
20:08 wizzyrea        this returned 7717
20:08 wizzyrea        we have 56k patrons in our database
20:08 wizzyrea        select borrowers.surname,borrowers.firstname,borrowers.cardnumber,borrowers.mobile, borrowers.branchcode from borrowers where borrowers.mobile != "" ORDER BY borrowers.branchcode asc
20:07 wizzyrea        here's what I used:
20:06 wizzyrea        mm no, not in my case
20:06 joetho          it appears to list all patrons
20:06 wizzyrea        mine seemed to work
20:06 joetho          but no time to fiddle with it
20:06 jwagner         joetho, are you getting results with data in the mobile field?  Or empty field?
20:05 wizzyrea        hmm
20:04 joetho          that report you worked on doesn't seem to limit to mobile numbers, at least not for me
20:04 jwagner         Will do.  I think we're not too far off having it done.
20:03 owen            jwagner: If I can help test please let me know. We're looking at a system-wide inventory in Feb., and I know that's part of what we want to be able to do.
20:03 joetho          that is funny- I had a call about the phone# not printing on transfewr slip just this afternoon
20:03 jwagner         owen, I'll check with the developer and let you know.
20:03 joetho          wizzyrea:
20:02 owen            (or offer the option to delete the biblio)
20:02 owen            Ideally I'd want such a tool to delete the item, and then delete the biblio if it was the last item.
20:02 jwagner         I can't remember, come to think of it.  I think it does delete the biblios, but I'd have to check.  It's been a while since I tested that piece.
20:01 jwagner         I think BibLibre also has batch delete in a batch edit feature
20:01 owen            jwagner: Does it only delete item records? I'm concerned about leaving "orphan" biblios behind.
20:00 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3509 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Batch item edit
20:00 jwagner         owen, see Bug 3509 -- we've built some batch delete capability in, and it can take a file of barcodes as input.  Still working out the bugs on the whole feature, not quite ready to submit yet.
19:59 owen            So anyone, bulk deletions? Anything coming up in 3.2?
19:54 chris           :) yeah that kinda thing
19:53 jwagner         I still have fond memories of the time I programmed my boss's computer (this is in the PC/XT days) to play Happy Birthday when he booted that morning....  Messing with people can be fun!
19:52 wizzyrea        or maybe it is, depending on your definition of "mess with"
19:52 wizzyrea        lol chris, that's not nice
19:52 chris           i use at to schedule all sorts of things, mostly just to mess with my wife
19:51 chris           http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?at
19:51 chris           cron is for recurring
19:51 chris           at is what you want, to schedule a one off job
19:51 jwagner         schuster, also do man crontab to read the manual entry, for info on all the options.
19:51 wizzyrea        owen: that's kind of where this report comes in
19:50 wizzyrea        schuster: crontab -e, to start
19:50 wizzyrea        I'd rather just hide it all together
19:50 wizzyrea        because then you'll end up with the same original problem all over again
19:49 wizzyrea        and I'm not willing to put the input back
19:49 owen            I had to build a custom report for that just so I could clean them up periodically
19:49 wizzyrea        but the record still shows the mobile number (at our libraries request) but of course that means that since they can see it, they want to edit it
19:49 wizzyrea        lol not that I'm aware of
19:48 wizzyrea        changed the work phone to secondary phone, with no such appendix, and removed the input for mobile
19:48 owen            wizzyrea: Do you have staff who put "no email" in the email field? That's one of my pet peeves.
19:48 wizzyrea        we renamed the "home" phone to primary phone, and appended a note "shows on transit slip" to the field
19:48 wizzyrea        so to fix that
19:47 owen            wizzyrea: Yeah, that's a kinda sucky aspect of contact management
19:47 schuster        schuster sits in a corner ashamed...;(
19:46 schuster        I'd have to understand how to edit and setup cron jobs ... ;)
19:46 schuster        I get daily emails thanks to jdavidb - on how many overdues are processed and I setup some email notifications for a particular school that email me when they can't deliver.
19:46 chris           schuster: i would set up an at job then to run at 23.15 to send you a mail saying "Im alive"
19:46 wizzyrea        so our librarians were annoyed that the only phone number in the record wasn't printing on the slip
19:46 wizzyrea        owen: no, we actually hid the input for the mobile number because people were putting in phone numbers there as opposed to the "home" phone, even if the number was the patron's only number
19:45 jwagner         wizzyrea, if I can't get to them in the next day or two, I might send them on.  But I finally created myself a wiki account just so I could enter these, so I'd better figure out how it works....
19:45 schuster        chris - yes it does through a mail relay
19:45 schuster        drat you sql gurus got to it before me!
19:44 wizzyrea        owen: cool
19:44 jwagner         And those are just the ones that I think would be of general interest, not the ones specific to my sites.
19:44 owen            wizzyrea: No
19:44 wizzyrea        if you send them to me with descriptions I'll do it and attribute it to you...
19:44 wizzyrea        jwagner!
19:44 jwagner         Thanks :-)  I swear I'm going to update the wiki with all the saved reports I've been doing.  Up to 33 of them now...
19:44 wizzyrea        owen: do you think that there will be records that match both "" and NULL?
19:43 owen            So... Bulk deletions?
19:43 wizzyrea        jwagner++
19:43 wizzyrea        jwagner: lol, and thanks, the quotes worked
19:42 * jwagner       read that as toddies off, and envisioned wizzyrea with a stiff drink....
19:42 * wizzyrea      toddles off
19:42 wizzyrea        hmm, I will try with the quotes, I tried it with capital NULL
19:41 chris           schuster: can your server mail out?
19:41 owen            Actually wizzyrea, looks like you should check for both. At least based on our data
19:40 jwagner         wizzyrea, try select borrowers.surname,borrowers.firstname,borrowers.cardnumber,borrowers.mobile, borrowers.branchcode from borrowers where borrowers.mobile != "" or mobile IS NOT NULL ORDER BY borrowers.branchcode asc
19:40 brendan         wizzyrea - you could try and capitalize NULL
19:39 owen            wizzyrea: Looks like you need to check for "" instead of NULL?
19:39 chris           back at work
19:38 owen            schuster: I didn't realize the script could handle that transition was well. Since we've never wanted it, all it has ever done is set the long overdue status
19:37 wizzyrea        but that seems to give everybody
19:37 wizzyrea        http://pastebin.ca/1675213
19:36 schuster        That indicates it would charge them for the book though?
19:36 wizzyrea        here's what I have so far:
19:36 wizzyrea        question... i'm looking to make a report that shows me all patrons that have a mobile number...
19:36 schuster        http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/appendices/handling-long-overdue-items/?searchterm=long%20overdue
19:32 owen            Not lost in the "removed from the patron's account" sense of lost
19:32 schuster        But doesn't it move them to lost?
19:31 owen            schuster: There is, but I think the only real result of that is that lost items can be hidden in the opac
19:31 cait            hi #koha
19:31 schuster        Isn't there a cron or something for long overdue?
19:30 owen            Now we're considering giving up on the overdues from 2005 and earlier!
19:30 owen            We never use "lost" in that way because in the past we've basically left overdues on people's accounts forever
19:30 jwagner         As long as there's a replacement cost in the 952v -- that's what it uses to charge the patron.
19:29 owen            Ah, of course: set it to lost and it checks it in, then it's possible to delete.
19:28 jwagner         owen, setting the status to Lost should do that, shouldn't it?  (We've done a lot of development in that area, can't remember what standard Koha does now.)
19:25 owen            Does anyone know if there is something in 3.2 that lets you delete something that is checked out and automatically attach a fine to the patron's record for the replacement cost?
19:22 schuster        thanks
19:22 schuster        whew.
19:22 schuster        Sorry jdavidb - I was home in front of the fireplace last night...
19:22 jdavidb         It should, yes.  I believe I set it up that way; I usually do.
19:21 schuster        Since he set up the server and alll...;)
19:21 schuster        ok that begs another question - jdavidb - when I reboot it automatically restarts the zebra right?
19:17 jwagner         schuster, in my Unicorn days I actually cronned a weekly reboot at 2:00 AM on Sunday, with accompanying cronjobs to restart all the Unicorn services.  Unicorn is notoriously memory leaky and I just found that kept my server happy.  Something similar could probably be arranged for koha if you really wanted to.
19:17 jdavidb         took mysqldump over three hours to export the data, and mysql only about 10 minutes to import it on the new box.
19:16 jdavidb         Customer was running on a VM with one 32-bit CPU and insufficient memory and disk space.  I was moving them to a new box.
19:16 pianohacker     jdavidb: sick how? I, too, have done weird schedules to get an unhappy but important box running again
19:14 jdavidb         I was up all last night with a sick server, schuster, you can do it too.  Builds character.
19:13 jdavidb         hehehe.  Come in late?  mwahahah.
19:13 schuster        yes thanks for the time adjustment...  You know I'm time challenged.
19:13 schuster        And you know how strong our security is here, I can barely get to the box the way it is!  Telnet from home HA!
19:12 jdavidb         (But if you want it at 11 pm, use 23:00 instead.
19:12 jdavidb         that should do it, schuster.  Or you could get up and manually check on it.
19:12 schuster        That way at 11 pm tonight it should auto reboot and NOBODY should be on...
19:12 schuster        I was thinking about using shutdown time 22:00 -r
19:08 pianohacker     schuster: As you would only want to reboot at times when no one (staff or OPAC) was using Koha, it might just be easier to selectively prune them using kill (or killall if you're very sure that none of them share a process name with something important)
19:04 schuster        for those of us that are "self hosted" what is the best way to shutdown/reboot?  I just did a ps -ef and there are a lot of process out there hanging around that I wonder if they would go away...
19:02 joetho          well he IS predictable
18:58 pianohacker     http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/hitching-rides-on-buses-can-kill-you.jpg
18:57 * chris_n       thinks chris must get awful tired of running after the bus every day trying to catch it ;-)
18:55 * chris         goes to catch his bus
18:12 joetho          <--nuttin wrong with show tunes, though
18:12 joetho          show tunes
18:12 joetho          uh oh
18:07 pianohacker     ..., late, for a very important date?
18:07 imp             maybe i'll be late ;)
18:07 pianohacker     imp: good luck...
18:07 imp             s/late/later/
18:07 imp             pianohacker: ok, will check it late, have to run now
18:05 pianohacker     You could check to make sure that your command line and apache are pointing at the same koha-conf.xml (though it sounds like they are), and that the Version system preference is set correctly (can be found from mysql using select value from systempreferences where variable = 'Version')
18:03 * pianohacker   grasps desperately inside rapidly emptying bag of tricks
18:01 pianohacker     brendan: Hahahah, I'll have to show that to kieran :)
18:01 pianohacker     do you have more than one koha installation on this box?
18:01 pianohacker     imp: And that's what I see too...
18:01 imp             our $VERSION = '3.00.04.019';
18:00 brendan         Zebra Training Clinic
18:00 brendan         http://www.spotsnstripes.com/ZebraTrainingClinic.htm
18:00 imp             (it's not executable right now, called it with perl path/to/...
18:00 pianohacker     Nope, you'll have to look inside the file
18:00 imp             should kohaversion.pl print something if executed?
17:59 imp             Upgrade to 3.00.04.019 done (new AuthDisplayHierarchy, )
17:59 pianohacker     Could you check to make sure that's the same version as in kohaversion.pl?
17:58 pianohacker     So the last line of output mentioned 3.00.04.019, right?
17:58 pianohacker     Right, we worked around that
17:57 imp             but no missing includes inside the logs anymore
17:57 imp             and opening the globalsettings page returns me towards the installer step 3 / db updater...
17:56 imp             yes
17:56 pianohacker     the OPAC?
17:56 pianohacker     ok, something else is wrong. Shouldn't hurt anything, just odd that it's broken
17:56 imp             hm, somehow the userinterface thinks we are still in maintance mode
17:55 imp             pianohacker: check like, looking if the paths are ok? they are
17:54 pianohacker     np, glad it's working; to make your life easier in future, you could check the last section of koha-conf.xml (specifically opacdir and intranetdir)
17:53 pianohacker     imp: updatedatabase really ought to be able to run from the web interface
17:53 imp             thanks pianohacker
17:52 pianohacker     hey, wait a minute :)
17:52 imp             \o/ i can login :)
17:52 imp             nearly without nagging ;) -> http://pastebin.ca/1675110
17:49 pianohacker     (updatedatabase.pl is in installer/data/mysql/)
17:49 pianohacker     You could try running updatedatabase.pl from the command line, if PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF are set in your shell
17:48 pianohacker     Possibly. Koha does fork it and do it in the background
17:48 imp             that's bad...
17:48 imp             apache   25896  0.3  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    16:56   0:00 [updatedatabase.] <defunct>
17:47 imp             indeed, like always ;)
17:47 imp             but now it's looping around with step 3 (updating the db)
17:47 pianohacker     imp: fix one problem, find another?
17:47 imp             ok, the workaround helps a little bit
17:45 pianohacker     imp: OK. There's weirder stuff going on here, but you should be able to fix it quickly, by copying intranet/cgi-bin/installer/InstallAuth.pm into lib/
17:44 imp             pianohacker: yes, it's there -> http://pastebin.ca/1675099
17:43 pianohacker     imp: and find /mnt2/koha-install/lib -type d -name C4 works?
17:41 wizzyrea        dk, it's "state of the art cloud hosted solution"
17:41 imp             wizzyrea: maybe other i/o-stuff slowing down the box?
17:41 wizzyrea        as if someone is doing something very heavy load, and then that job finishes and it's normal again
17:40 wizzyrea        it's kind of coming and going
17:40 wizzyrea        ours are fairly excruciating, and I can't trace it to local bandwidth issues
17:40 owen            No, doesn't seem to be
17:39 wizzyrea        searches?
17:39 wizzyrea        owen, is your catalog slow?
17:39 wizzyrea        me.
17:38 owen            joetho: Me.
17:37 imp             pianohacker: http://pastebin.ca/1675092
17:37 joetho          any liblime users on here at the moment?
17:35 imp             sure, mom
17:34 pianohacker     Could you upload your koha apache config file?
17:34 pianohacker     It's very odd that installer.pl can't find a module in its own directory
17:33 imp             hm, still broken
17:32 imp             uncommented them right now, lets take a look and restart it
17:32 pianohacker     Do those <VirtualHost> blocks each have SetEnv lines within them?
17:31 imp             right
17:31 pianohacker     With two vhosts, one for opac and one for intranet
17:30 pianohacker     imp: Oh, hmm. There should be a separate config for koha
17:30 imp             just checked the vhostconfig before
17:29 imp             pianohacker: LoadModule perl_module modules/mod_perl.so, jupp. oh, and there's PerlRequire /mnt2/koha-install/startup.pl in the next line inside the main config from apache
17:28 pianohacker     imp: Are you using mod_perl with koha?
17:27 imp             pianohacker: same for the "PerlRequire startup.pl" ?
17:27 pianohacker     ah
17:27 owen            pianohacker: Just hypothetically
17:27 pianohacker     owen: under the current system?
17:27 owen            Other than the barcode file upload tool, I'm not sure what the Koha inventory tool is for.
17:26 pianohacker     imp: There does have to be a SetEnv line in the config, and it has to point to a directory containing the C4 folder
17:26 owen            2) mark anything that hasn't been "seen" since the beginning of inventory as "missing in inventory" or whatever.
17:25 imp             (it's not in the config right now)
17:25 owen            1) check in everything on your shelf
17:25 imp             pianohacker: SetEnv PERL5LIB "/mnt2/koha-install/lib" ?
17:25 owen            The inventory steps as I see it:
17:24 * wizzyrea      might be a little disgruntled.
17:23 wizzyrea        we don't have much that's new on our install.
17:23 wizzyrea        the keyword there is "new"
17:23 owen            That doesn't quite work with the inventory workflow as I understand it schuster
17:23 pianohacker     imp: is PERL5LIB set correctly in your apache config?
17:23 schuster        wizzyrea - I believe in the new "bulk edit tool" isn't that an option to upload or scan a "batch" of barcodes?
17:22 imp             I just get "internal server error" if i try to access the admin interface, the content of the log -> http://pastebin.ca/1675038
17:22 jdavidb         hm...
17:22 wizzyrea        dunno, if you can get me a bulk lost item status setting tool I would definitely squee
17:21 * jdavidb       wants to hear wizzyrea squee.
17:20 imp             can somebody give me some pointers on my problem with updating koha from .01 -> .04? :)
17:20 pianohacker     Unfortunately, my boss has other priorities for me at the moment...
17:19 pianohacker     Working and used to inventory our catalog, just need to clean up and send
17:19 owen            What is the status of your version?
17:18 pianohacker     YA RLY
17:18 * wizzyrea      might squee
17:18 pianohacker     Not sure about the current one
17:18 wizzyrea        ph: O RLY?
17:18 pianohacker     (In our modified tool)
17:18 pianohacker     There is, yes
17:17 owen            As far as I can tell there isn't a way to bulk-set a lost status for unseen items?
17:17 owen            I remember looking at it, but I don't remember how the functionality differed from the existing tool
17:14 pianohacker     The one with the multiple tables?
17:14 owen            pianohacker: That sound vaguely familiar...
17:13 pianohacker     owen: The one I offered up to you and gmcharlt to nitpick :)
17:12 jwagner         schuster, wizzyrea, owen, etc. -- sorry, I've been off in a meeting.  I won't do anything with a patch on the branch call numbers since it sounds like they are used.  Thanks for the input.
17:12 pianohacker     owen: using a modified tool, yes
17:12 owen            I'm just curious if anyone has done it... We haven't.
17:11 hdl             owen: do you have issues ?
17:09 owen            Anyone here ever done inventory with Koha?
17:06 wizzyrea        so it's a mystery
17:06 wizzyrea        schuster: idk, it appears that according to the code, it doesn't exist
17:01 schuster        wizzyrea - et al...  refering back to the call number issue - I suspect Plano ISD had it removed from the display by LibLime when we went live.
17:00 wizzyrea        then it rained and compacted it down into 5in of very wet snow
16:59 wizzyrea        they had 10in about 70 mins north of me
16:59 wizzyrea        probably down to 0.5C ;)
16:59 wizzyrea        but not quiiiiite 0C
16:59 wizzyrea        it was very close to freezing
16:59 wizzyrea        but it didn't survive the morning rain
16:59 wizzyrea        yea, we had some last night
16:58 pianohacker     Have you had any snow yet?
16:58 pianohacker     that is insane
16:58 pianohacker     Wow
16:58 wizzyrea        a very little
16:58 munin           wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 3.7�C (10:56 AM CST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Rising).
16:58 wizzyrea        @wunder Lawrence, KS
16:58 wizzyrea        by a little
16:58 wizzyrea        actually it's warmer now
16:55 pianohacker     poor liz
16:54 indradg         global warming we been told
16:54 brendan         pianohacker I think wizzyrea's got you
16:54 brendan         wow that's hot
16:53 indradg         brendan, lol... its cooler today by 10 degree C... till yesterday the week was averaging around 32 deg C
16:53 pianohacker     Lowest?
16:53 munin           pianohacker: The current temperature in Franklin Ave - Downtown, Canon City, Colorado is 7.1�C (9:50 AM MST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Falling).
16:53 pianohacker     @wunder 81212
16:53 pianohacker     Hmm
16:53 brendan         indradg wins highest temp for the day so far
16:52 munin           indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 24.0�C (9:50 PM IST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
16:52 indradg         @wunder kolkata
16:47 kf              bye #koha
16:46 * imp           wonders why this doesn't work http://pastebin.ca/1675038
16:44 brendan         heya hdl
16:44 pianohacker     chris_n
16:44 pianohacker     hi, henri
16:44 chris_n         ehlo pianohacker
16:44 hdl             Hi pianohacker
16:44 pianohacker     hallo, sir brendan
16:43 brendan         morning doctor pianohacker
16:43 pianohacker     Good morning
16:40 * chris_n       thinks it is 16 deg inside his office... >8-\
16:40 brendan         The thermometer near me must be in the shade or right on the ocean, because the second wunder was more accurate to what it feels like
16:40 munin           chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 16.0�C (11:20 AM EST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
16:40 chris_n         @wunder 28334
16:39 brendan         ah that's better
16:39 munin           brendan: The current temperature in Eucalyptus Hill, Santa Barbara, California is 15.8�C (8:35 AM PST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Rising).
16:39 brendan         @wunder 93103
16:39 wizzyrea        or at least not terrible weather award
16:38 * wizzyrea      wins the misery index, schuster wins the lovely weather award
16:38 brendan         wow 9.9 here - that's got to be a mistake munin
16:38 munin           schuster: The current temperature in Plantation Estates, Frisco, Texas is 11.6�C (10:37 AM CST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Rising).
16:38 schuster        @wunder 75035
16:38 munin           brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 9.9�C (8:33 AM PST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Rising).
16:38 brendan         @wunder 93117
16:38 munin           wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 3.2�C (10:36 AM CST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Falling).
16:38 wizzyrea        @wunder 66047
16:38 wizzyrea        mornin brendan
16:37 brendan         morning #koha
16:24 wizzyrea        reiko: Oh! You figured it out? What was the problem?
16:20 reiko           thank you owen and wizzyrea
16:12 wizzyrea        I don't have a test system for our hosted install
16:11 wizzyrea        yea, I do, but it's actually up to date :P
16:00 schuster        wizzyrea - I presume then that you have a personal test system someplace since you are hosted?
15:50 wizzyrea        those are the logs I'd look at
15:50 owen            In my test install those are koha-error.log and koha-opac-error_log. I'm not sure if it will be the same for you
15:49 owen            reiko: You should have some error logs specific to Koha
15:47 reiko           hello, when my koha crashes with trapped error, is there a log that i can look at?�
15:40 schuster        with call number that is.
15:40 schuster        That way students don't have to make another click to get to the screen.
15:40 wizzyrea        ours must be weird
15:40 schuster        I'm not displaying LC anywhere...  Is there a setting? Yes Keep and sort
15:40 owen            So schuster your vote is to either keep it the way it is or to keep it and add sorting?
15:38 schuster        We'd love to have all the locations and one call number for each display as it is, even better if the locations were SORTED first!
15:36 * owen          has a feeling this is something LEK might address, not sure why
15:36 owen            I wonder if it would make sense to say, If there are more than X available items don't list them all on the search results page?
15:34 owen            I would not search it with Firefox. I would not search it on my Linux box.
15:34 schuster        Plano ISD is large with LOTS of holdings and XSLT - catalog.pisd.edu search seuss!
15:22 wizzyrea        well, then yea, that is very odd
15:22 wizzyrea        oh I misread I thought you meant Month April Day 8
15:21 owen            But that was March and June *09*
15:21 wizzyrea        but i'm not sure what the june updates entailed
15:21 wizzyrea        we got some updates in march, then again in june
15:20 wizzyrea        heh
15:17 owen            April '08
15:17 wizzyrea        when were they pushed?
15:16 wizzyrea        yea, we probably got updates in that magical period when it was in
15:15 owen            wizzyrea: Your LC number display is a mystery. It looks to me like the 050 display was taken out soon after it was added. Don't know what you'd still have it. Or maybe I'm misreading the git history.
15:06 jwagner         OK, I'll bundle these two together, since I'm having to do them anyway for the same site.  Thanks.
15:06 owen            jwagner: Yes
15:05 jwagner         owen, OK to go ahead with a patch to swap the item type and library in the OPAC record display, pending your more complete fix?
15:04 jwagner         Shouldn't be a framework thing, just a template/xslt thing.
15:03 wizzyrea        yayee.
15:03 wizzyrea        of course I don't have a test server to play around with anymore that matches our current production install.
15:02 wizzyrea        frameworks are deep magic that I don't quite understand yet.
15:02 wizzyrea        yea, I'm looking at one, it's the 050, and it's definitely showing up on our install. Maybe it's a framework thing?
15:01 * jdavidb       shudders.
15:01 jwagner         You're not on Koha 2.x or anything....
15:01 jwagner         Not _that_ far behind :-)
15:01 * owen          finds where LC was *added* to the file, but not where it was taken out
15:00 wizzyrea        man we're so far behind.
14:59 * wizzyrea      dies
14:59 wizzyrea        oh that's heartening.
14:59 jwagner         Must have been fixed a while back then -- I went back to our oldest current install and it's not there either.
14:58 wizzyrea        yesm, it is
14:58 jwagner         wizzyrea, is your results list on XSLT?  Looks like it.
14:58 wizzyrea        and good morning everybody. :)
14:58 owen            wizzyrea: Could be it is fixed. I tried adding an LC number to a record and it's not showing up
14:55 wizzyrea        pretty much, as long as the migration team is getting their stuff done (they are, admirably) and our hosting stays stable (it is, thanks cfouts) the rest is "the devil we know"
14:54 wizzyrea        jwagner: it's possible that it's already been fixed? We are about 6mo behind on patches
14:54 jwagner         I can't really see where that's coming from.  I know it's from the 050 field, but the MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl doesn't seem to have it.
14:53 wizzyrea        so we are not making any decisions on LEK until at least january
14:53 wizzyrea        alone
14:53 jdavidb         :-o
14:53 wizzyrea        we have a migration coming, we told them to leave us the &(%^
14:52 wizzyrea        we're not really pursuing any real issues with our vendor at the moment
14:52 owen            Was that a non-starter with your vendor?
14:52 wizzyrea        (we talked about that last week, removing it with jquery, but the spans aren't unique enough)
14:52 wizzyrea        I know we wanted to get rid of it
14:52 wizzyrea        well, yes, I think I could agree with that
14:51 owen            wizzyrea: I could be wrong, but it seems to me that we *should* take out the display of the LC call number, since any library really using LC would be putting it in itemcallnumber. Does that sound right?
14:51 wizzyrea        it's just a peeve >.>
14:51 wizzyrea        that makes no sense, since that number doesn't correlate to any library in our system
14:51 jwagner         OK, I'll just fix the space problem then.
14:51 wizzyrea        but see how it shows the LC call number?
14:51 wizzyrea        yep
14:51 jwagner         That's the one I'm looking at.  You want to keep the display e.g. Wetmore Public Library[T MEYE] (1), Meriden Community Library[YA F MEYE] (1)
14:50 wizzyrea        jwagner: see #4 on that results list I just sent
14:50 wizzyrea        esp in our environs
14:50 wizzyrea        but if it is there, it's nonsensical
14:50 jwagner         owen, I think you were working on a fix for the OPAC record display to sort by library -- is that nearly done?  I'm having to do local changes for several different sites; I'd rather submit a patch just to swap item type & location for now, & wait for your more intensive fixes later.
14:50 wizzyrea        only if there is one in the record
14:50 wizzyrea        it doesn't always show the LC
14:49 wizzyrea        http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=twilight
14:49 wizzyrea        sorry phone
14:47 jwagner         I don't see LC call number on the results list, though.
14:46 wizzyrea        here, let me get you an example search
14:46 jwagner         wizzyrea, that's what I needed to hear -- that somebody does actually use that one.  (Yes,I was referring to the call number following the branch name)
14:46 * wizzyrea      is pretty big, lots of branchese, and not on LEK
14:46 owen            Hi wizzyrea. What are the circumstances that lead to LC call no. being shown? Where is that stored?
14:46 wizzyrea        because only the individual call numbers make sense
14:45 wizzyrea        in our case, we would rather get rid of the LC call number
14:45 wizzyrea        jwagner: if you're referring to the call number display in the results list next to each library, please don't take it out
14:31 jwagner         Oops, gotta run for a conference call -- back in a bit.
14:30 jwagner         That would be good -- any ideas for large sites using XSLT?
14:30 * owen          would like to see some different examples
14:30 owen            (and then we need to know whether or not they're on LEK) :(
14:29 owen            We need a good example of a big library with lots of branches
14:28 jwagner         Not that I can see -- I'm looking at the XSLT code and it just says to loop through all of the holding libraries.
14:27 owen            I don't know how Koha is handling large numbers of items in this display. Is there some kind of logic for preventing an overflowing list?
14:25 jwagner         I'm not sure you can even say they're being consolidated incorrectly -- you really don't want to show ALL the call numbers on this screen and it has to pick one somehow.  But it's annoying....
14:25 owen            I wouldn't eliminate the call number because we don't have good information on whether others find it useful
14:24 owen            I'd say: 1) Add a space to the XSL. 2) File a bug for the problem of the call numbers being consolidated incorrectly.
14:23 owen            Yeah, I see that behavior too.
14:23 jwagner         I've already removed call number entirely for one site; just wondering if that might be a generally useful thing.
14:22 jwagner         Yes, so far as I can tell, it just picks up what it considers the first one (chronological?)
14:22 jwagner         This site isn't the best example, but there are cases when there might be different call numbers on the same title, like Large print, etc.
14:22 owen            I see what you're saying: if there is more than one call number at a single branch it only shows the first?
14:21 jwagner         But it doesn't show all the call numbers for one branch on the hitlist anyway.
14:21 owen            The reason would be if one of those items had a different call number.
14:20 jwagner         This isn't the best example (the site I'm presently working on isn't available yet), but see http://mtpl.ptfsinc.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=harry+potter -- the spacing problem is that there's no space between the library name and call number.  That's easily fixed, but I can't see any real reason to show call number at all.
14:17 owen            jwagner: Do you have a live example or a screenshot?
14:14 jwagner         Question for people on the XSLT OPAC results list -- does having the call number in the results list serve any useful purpose?  There's a spacing problem and it seems to only pick up the first call number per site anyway.
14:08 hdl             schuster: try rebuilding_zebra with option nosanitize and -x on (HEAD code only iirc)
14:02 schuster        I have a question about indexing...  Is there a recommendation on rebuilding Zebra?  Our searching is slowing down and was wondering what I could do to speed it up.
14:02 schuster        Howdy all!
13:55 hdl             hi jdavidb
13:55 hdl             hi owen
13:34 owen            Good morning
13:34 jdavidb         Howdy, owen.
13:31 jwagner         Good morning all.
13:28 hdl             hi chris_n
13:20 indradg         morning chris_n
13:05 chris_n         g'morning #koha
13:04 kf              amadan: there was a script on the mailinglist for uninstall a while ago, but dont know if it woult work for fedora
13:04 kf              amadan: I think there is no automatic uninstall possible atm
12:44 imp             amadan: just a guess: make uninstall ?
12:38 amadan          Help, how can you uninstall koha from fedora
12:18 imp             http://pastebin.ca/1674738 should I fix something or can i run make upgrade?
11:32 kf              now lunch time :)
11:31 kf              Ropuch: password wrong - thank you for your fast help :) Ropuch++
11:31 Ropuch          [;
11:30 kf              Ropuch: thx!
11:29 Ropuch          gbv
11:29 Ropuch          My settings for bgv
11:29 Ropuch          http://bagno.be/gbv.png
11:27 kf              dont know why its not working here :(
11:26 kf              hm
11:26 Ropuch          Yes, I've got lots of revcords from gbv via z3950 serach&import
11:25 kf              Ropuch: trying z39.50 download from gbv - does this work for you?
11:24 Ropuch          kf: yup
11:24 kf              Ropuch: around?
11:17 Amit            hi magusenger
11:17 magnusenger     Amit: cool! ;-)
11:00 Amit            hi chris one more library live on koha in india http://library.christuniversity.in/
11:00 amadan          good 2 knoow thks
10:59 amadan          i c
10:58 * chris         goes to sleep
10:58 chris           you can delete the rows from the appropriate tables, if you drop the database you will need to run the installer again
10:57 amadan          ok
10:57 chris           no, dont do that
10:57 amadan          basically drop the databases right?
10:56 amadan          and the process....?
10:56 chris           as long as they have no items assigned to them, then yes you can
10:56 amadan          optional libraries
10:55 amadan          one more thing though, can one remove the test libraries after they have been loaded
10:54 amadan          hehe...reaaalllllyyyyyyyyy excited:-D8-)
10:53 amadan          thks guys working perfectly now
10:46 amadan          one moment
10:44 chris           and you have logged in and run the web installer?
10:43 amadan          with 8080
10:43 amadan          yes i get a login
10:42 kf              amadan: try your current url with :8080 at the end
10:40 kf              amadan: have you already run the web installer?
10:37 amadan          how do i get the opac page?
10:36 amadan          i get the maintenance page
10:34 amadan          Hi I have installed koha 3.0
10:32 indradg         hdl, thanks, just what i needed to point to :)
10:24 Amit            heya indradg
10:24 indradg         hdl, checking!
10:24 indradg         Amit, hi there
10:23 hdl             http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:dbschema
10:23 Amit            hi hdl, indradg
10:22 hdl             indradg: i think so.
10:21 indradg         is it online in the docs?
10:21 indradg         guys*
10:21 indradg         nicomo, hdl sorry to bug you guy... need a spot of help... /me is not near any Koha install atm... I just need the schema for the users table... in a meeting discussion ldap integration
10:19 hdl             hi indradg
10:19 nicomo          hi indradg
10:19 indradg         nicomo, ping
10:18 indradg         hdl, around?
09:55 kf              morgen imp
09:42 imp             moin
09:37 amadan          thks guys
09:08 hdl             hi chris
08:57 kf              hi Amit and nicomo
08:55 nicomo          hi kf and all
08:55 nicomo          hi Amit
08:55 Amit            heya nicomo, kf
08:51 chris           i suspect anything later than 2.39 will be fine
08:49 chris           Im not sure it has to be 2.39 .. i think 2.39 or later
08:49 chris           http://search.cpan.org/~lds/GD-2.39/
08:47 amadan          hi HDL, any idea where i can download it? I don't seem to find it anywhere
08:25 hdl             amadan: perl-GD version 2.39
08:22 hdl             hi
08:05 amadan          good morning
08:04 kf              good morning :)
07:59 amadan          which version of GD is required for koha?
07:00 brendan         Hi Amit
06:54 chris_n2        Ropuch: g'morning && g'night ;-)
06:50 Ropuch          Good morning #koha
06:48 chris           yeah, and not something we'd want to do i dont think
05:40 chris_n2        on-the-fly re-write of barcodes... interesting and unique
03:34 chris           its been going a year or 2 now, in a year or so they might have a spec, in 5 more years some code, meanwhile the goal posts have shifted again
03:33 chris           cos they are the smartest people in the world
03:32 chris_n2        I wonder why they are dumping money into re-inventing the wheel rather than dumping it into helping Koha and EG include the features they would like to see added?
03:31 chris_n2        some interesting discussion about a new FOSS ILS which mentions Koha and Evergreen: http://oleproject.org/overview/
03:28 chris_n2        Hi Amit
03:27 Amit            hi brendan, chris_n2
03:19 brendan         later all
03:19 * brendan       just heading out the door to see 2012
03:19 brendan         evening chris_n2
03:19 chris_n2        g'evening
02:24 pianohacker     Good night, #koha
02:06 pianohacker     Well then
02:02 brendan         I guess losing wireless eh?
02:00 pianohacker     what are you up to, brendan?
00:18 munin           brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.9�C (4:16 PM PST on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Falling).
00:18 brendan         @wunder 93117