Time Nick Message 23:59 ian mason: apple on the fridge for you 22:50 chris_n2 nothing like a lying installation script 22:46 * chris_n2 is debugging on his win32 install ;-) 22:46 chris sounds like we need to fix that 22:46 chris *nod* 22:46 chris_n2 which may account for some of the confused posts to the list which are clearly errors in the user/permissions 22:45 brendan heh 22:45 * chris_n2 notes that it appears to always say the user has all required permissions even when they don't 22:45 chris nope, what happens? 22:45 chris_n2 interesting.... has anyone tested the web-installer lately with a db user that *does not* have correct db permissions? 22:12 brendan :) 22:12 brendan hey Thanks chris 22:10 chris brendan: congrats on the new go live 22:07 |Lupin| k, goodnight folks ! 21:53 chris which is all you need 21:53 chris it exists and its public 21:53 wizzyrea_mobile So that's good 21:53 chris it just needs to be merged in 21:53 chris yep 21:53 wizzyrea_mobile Well the code exists 21:51 chris im not sure if its been pushed into main git, but im sure it will be when galen has time 21:51 chris the patches ahve been sent, i did some testing 21:51 wizzyrea_mobi-1 Sweet 21:50 chris yep 21:50 wizzyrea_mobi-1 Didn't biblibre do some of that? 21:50 chris schuster: yep it did 21:50 wizzyrea_mobi-1 Gah I was hoping jdavidb was still around 21:50 schuster just checking if merging bibs made it to the 3.2 timeline? Was that on target? 21:33 brendan in a bit #koha 21:22 ricardo chris:sure. bye! 21:22 chris ttyl 21:21 ricardo Well, I had enough for today. Going to leave back to home. Take care everyone! 21:21 ricardo chris: Cool, thanks :) 21:20 chris yep, sounds good 21:20 ricardo chris: I hope to send you the PO file (for Portuguese - staff) on Friday. Is that OK (for 3.0.5)? I think hdl told me he was thinking about releasing it next week 21:12 brendan chris_n++ 21:12 brendan thanks chris_n 21:12 chris_n bbiab 21:11 chris_n if you don't get to the button before I get there, I'll add it 21:11 brendan will send a patch if I get to it 21:11 brendan cool 21:11 chris_n I'm deep into the patron card stuff atm, but will revisit the label code prior to submission of the new code 21:11 brendan that would be cool 21:10 chris_n I also intended to do a multiple delete/edit option 21:10 brendan I'll let you know if i get to it 21:10 brendan maybe on the weekend 21:09 brendan Ok, busy for the next few 21:09 chris_n right; I had that on my list somewhere once upon a time.... feel free to add it :-) 21:09 brendan it would be easier to select all and then unselect one - instead of selecting all 29 21:09 brendan that way if you had thirty barcodes -- and you wanted to export 29 of them 21:08 brendan when managing a batch of records 21:08 brendan would be nice to add a select all button 21:08 brendan koha/labels/label-edit-batch.pl 21:07 chris_n brendan: here 21:07 brendan chris_n around? 20:59 ricardo (there are some coolest terms to translate in UNIMARC world - "infrared line scanning". ooooh) 20:58 ricardo |Lupin|: I think that you'll have to replace "\n" by "\r\n"... but most editors (like Notepad++) have some "Format" option to do that transformation in a mouse click 20:56 |Lupin| ricardo: perhaps you know the answer to this: how would you convert the unix-line line terminators to window-like ones ? that is, how would you, under Windows, replace the \n by a \r ? 20:55 ricardo Besides (g)vim, when in Windows, I also use "Notepad++" and PSPad 20:54 ricardo |Lupin|: eheheh 20:54 |Lupin| ricardo: regarding editors I'm totally agnostic, using myself joe, emacs and vim from time to time... I said that just to tease you... 20:53 ricardo I'm ashamed to say that I had 2 failed attempts of learning "vim" and 2 failed attempts to learn "emacs". At the 3rd attempt of learning "vim", I finally succeeded. And so, that's what I use 20:51 ricardo |Lupin|: Oh good. Text editors "holy war"! Let me get my rifle, first... ;-) 20:51 |Lupin| ricardo: power ? I'm sure you meant emacs :p 20:51 ricardo (all the power of "vim" available) 20:50 ricardo |Lupin|: Speed! :) 20:50 ricardo chris: If, when I send the PO file to you, you send me back an updated file with some hundreds / thousands more of strings to translate, I will *not* be held accountable for my own actions! ;-) 20:50 |Lupin| ricardo: why are you translating locally rather that in pootle ? 20:49 chris heh 20:49 ricardo (Line 40540 of the PO file. Oh boy... this *never* ends!) 20:47 chris good luck 20:46 niny ricardo, chris, we are running make install. 20:46 ricardo niny: OK 20:44 niny at his home machine , we are using the same steps/scenario 20:43 niny because , these exact setup worked for my friend 20:43 ricardo niny: Oh, OK 20:43 niny no no, its downloading and installed every perl modules. I just asked 20:42 ricardo niny: But is your problem downloading stuff from CPAN, because you're behind a firewall? 20:42 niny ok chris. we are going to do that 20:42 chris and make install anyway 20:42 niny is that problem ? 20:42 chris unlikely, like |Lupin| said, id ignore the make test fail 20:42 niny our machine is behind a firewall 20:41 niny so this error 255 is not because of that ? 20:41 chris it will just complain, but will still install fine 20:40 chris make install wont stop if you ahve an older version 20:40 niny So we compiled and installed 2 of them from CPAN (1.59) 20:40 chris or you dont care about the bug 20:40 chris if you dont want to use xslt tho (you can run koha without) 20:40 ricardo chris: OK, fair enough :) 20:40 chris earlier versions of that module have a bug 20:40 chris anything that uses the XSLT (which is all of the 3.0.x series) 20:39 ricardo niny: You've got to blame chris for that. He's the one that wants to require newer versions of Perl modules ;-) 20:39 chris 3.0.2 does too 20:39 niny and XSLT needs XML::LibXML-1.59 20:39 niny it needs XML::LibXSLT-1.59 20:39 |Lupin| ricardo: there are more recent versions of Koha... perhaps you could try them and see if the problem persists... 20:38 ricardo niny: Why don't you install Koha 3.0.4 ? 20:38 ricardo niny: What problem? 20:38 niny We are installing Koha-3.00.02 on CentOS-5.3 20:38 ricardo |Lupin|: Ah, no. It doesn't. That's strange 20:38 niny We had a XML::LibXML problem 20:37 |Lupin| ricardo: I did _not_ run perl Makefile .pl, but make test... should this one receive the --pre-instal thing somehow, too ? 20:36 ricardo |Lupin|: have you remembered to use "--prev-install /path/to/koha-install-log" at the end of the "perl Makefile.PL" line? 20:36 niny ok 20:36 |Lupin| strange, I just tried to run make test on my KOha and it asks me for the parameters, like when running perl Makefile.PL, whereas the thing is supposed to be configured already 20:34 niny :) 20:34 |Lupin| niny: I never ran make test and if I were you I think I woldn't bother and just run make install and continue 20:33 niny or is it safe to run make install 20:33 niny |Lupin|, any idea why make test is failing 20:32 niny we didn't try to do 'make install' 20:31 |Lupin| niny: is it a problem ? does Koha not run ? 20:31 niny any idea 20:29 niny http://pastebin.org/52805 20:29 niny make test giving error again 20:29 niny hi ricardo 20:29 niny re-installed full OS and trying to install koha 20:29 ricardo niny: Hi 20:29 |Lupin| wizzyrea: you think so ? well knowing where it comes from it's not that strange... 20:28 niny hi 20:24 ricardo wizzyrea: For that kind of sentence, you have to write: "Pootle. Strangest. Name. Ever!" ;-) 20:23 ricardo wizzyrea: LOL! 20:23 wizzyrea pootle is the strangest name for a product ever. 20:23 chris ricardo is translating the file locally 20:23 chris no they dont appear in pootle 20:23 |Lupin| ricardo: do you mean that the strings that are commented in the code appear on pootle as strings needing a translation ? 20:20 chris :) 20:19 ricardo chris: In "Arnold Schwarzenegger" style? ;-) 20:19 ricardo chris: Oh, OK. Thanks for the info 20:19 chris (in case they come back) 20:19 chris I think the update.pl just comments out ones that dont exist anymore, rather than deleting them 20:19 ricardo (s/mgstr/msgstr above) 20:18 ricardo chris: Right, thanks... Why are there so many of those, BTW? 20:18 chris *nod* 20:17 ricardo chris: I'm guessing it's *useless* to translate strings where both the "msgid" and "mgstr" are commented out. Right? 20:15 ricardo |Lupin| / chris: May one of you please slap me, if I ever again make the mistake of contributing for a translation? ;-) 20:14 |Lupin| hello ricardo ! :-) 20:14 ricardo |Lupin|: Hi Sébastien! :) 20:13 chris yep 20:12 |Lupin| chris: that being said I assume barcode and itemnumbers won't probably stay synchronized so I'll really have to lookup the db for a given itemnumber to find out its barcode 20:12 chris |Lupin|: cool 20:11 |Lupin| chris: ok, thanks a lot for the help, t should work, indeed 20:11 ricardo chris: OK. I know that it works if it's placed above the "template posiition comment lines" (because there's where Pootle places them). But I'm hand editing the file and I'm placing further comments below them. Oh well, you're right: we'll have to try it 20:10 chris we'll have to try it and see 20:10 chris i don't know myself 20:09 ricardo chris: Hi chris! :) I have a question for you. If I want that comments in the PO file are loaded by Pootle (in the "comments" boxes, I think) must I put them above or below the "template position comment lines". Or doesn't it matter? (I don't know if I'm being clear enough) 20:08 chris Hi ricardo 20:08 ricardo Hi everyone! 20:07 Jarson thank you 20:07 chris you need to change that system preference then 20:07 Jarson any ones 20:07 chris yes, but do you want them to only reserve ones that are issued, or any ones? 20:07 Jarson so I think the option you have shown me is ok 20:06 Jarson Ok, I understand. I want to give my users possibility to reserve books :) 20:05 chris so to make something on loan, you need to check the item out to someone 20:05 chris ie its not on the shelf, someone has it 20:05 chris on loan means you have issued it (checked it out) to someone 20:05 Jarson what is a difference if a book is on loan or not? 20:04 chris if not http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/administration/global-system-preferences/circulation#allowonshelfholds 20:04 chris do you want people to only be able to place holds on items that are on loan? 20:03 Jarson 3.0.4 20:03 chris what version of koha? 20:01 Jarson Hello, I have a question: what should I do to make a copy of book to be "on loan"? I have no "place hold" option in OPAC 19:50 chris (id turn it on and test it with a couple of items after backing up the db, and running your sql to set all the barcodes) 19:50 chris so it will take the highest number, and increment it 19:49 chris yep, what autobarcode does, is just increment 19:48 |Lupin| chris: ok... I was more or less thinking about doing so. But is it ok to (1) copy itemnumbers in the barcode column and (2) turn on autobarcode ? will that work ? 19:47 |Lupin| chris: I understand. I's just that I don't know yet how to implement the filling of the barcode item when a new item is added... 19:47 chris and it will do it for you 19:47 chris switch on autobarcode 19:47 chris the easiest way round is to just put a barcode on everything 19:46 |Lupin| chris: well, it must also work when an item is added, that I'm not sure how to do... 19:46 |Lupin| chris: hmm the only thing I can do is transmit your remark to my boss... I'm not the one who did this choice 19:44 chris barcode is used heavily throughout koha, just write some sql to copy the itemnumber to barcode field, et voila you have barcodes 19:43 chris you are bending it, so you will have to make compromises 19:43 chris koha isnt designed to run a digital library 19:42 |Lupin| chris: well, it the context of a digital library, it's not that appropriate, IMHO... 19:42 |Lupin| chris: what's the rationale behind that ? I didn't associate bacodes with my items (they are digital), and want to call AddIssue each time a file is downloaded, for statistical purposes. Shall I add barcode to all the items ? 19:41 chris (even if you just copy the itemnumber to the barcode field .. everything you want to circulate needs a barcode) 19:40 chris things without barcodes, shouldnt circulate 19:40 chris design choice 19:39 |Lupin| chris: I've a question abot the Circulation::AddIssue function. Why does it take a barcode ars arguemnt, and why is there no way to pass it an itemnumber ? is that a bug or a design choice ? 19:38 |Lupin| hi richard, chris_n, chris 19:35 chris_n g'afternoon 19:35 chris hiya richard 19:34 richard hi 19:32 chris back 18:53 chris off also 18:53 chris ok of to work 18:35 |Lupin| hi again, everybody 17:54 paul_p bye everybody 17:53 brendan morning chris 17:52 chris morning 17:42 jwagner Yes, a solemn Remembrance Day/Armistice Day/Veterans Day to all. 17:41 * sekjal remembers to remember the veterans 17:40 wizzyrea yepper 17:40 sekjal really? already? 17:40 wizzyrea veterans day in the US 17:40 sekjal wait, today's a holiday (by someone's reckoning)? 17:36 wizzyrea ;) 17:36 wizzyrea i'm sure I probably could have told them I was too well to attend 17:36 jwagner Technically it's a holiday for us, but our company allows us to swap it for the day after Thanksgiving, and I needed to be in today anyway. 17:35 wizzyrea yea,, not us 17:27 brendan guessing that's a no 17:27 schuster Only those federal folks... 17:27 schuster brendan - HA! 17:27 |Lupin| see you later, bye 17:21 brendan wizzyrea and schuster aren't you both supposed be on holiday today 17:06 wizzyrea 19% woot! 17:06 wizzyrea schuster: that may be my problem 17:03 |Lupin| is it mandatory that items have barcodes to be able to issue them ? 17:03 |Lupin| or perhaps someone else 16:50 |Lupin| hdl: hi. around ? 16:39 schuster oh I don't know that was last year... ;) 16:38 schuster sorry 120 meg should be gig. 16:38 schuster wizzyrea - when I did it on my laptop it took forever as my laptop only had 1 gig of memory and my HD was 120 meg - the drive kept getting full due to the indexing of idb - after 24 hours more drive space would be opened as idb ?tables from mysql would delete. 16:31 kf bye #koha 16:27 Nate hiya bren! 16:26 brendan Hi Nate 16:06 hdl jwagner: no problem 16:03 |Lupin| oops :) 16:02 |Lupin| hallo :) wie geht es dir ? 16:02 |Lupin| guten nachmitag kf 16:02 kf hi Lupin 16:01 |Lupin| good day all 15:49 wizzyrea (and it's not the fastest computer in the world)) 15:49 wizzyrea (my desktop, that is_ 15:49 wizzyrea (it's a leach off of my working system) 15:49 wizzyrea it's just slooow 15:49 wizzyrea I mean, I saw it change from 17% to 18% 15:48 wizzyrea I don't think so, it's still going 15:48 brendan out of memory? 15:48 wizzyrea lol oi my 50k record import into my virtualbox koha install is at 18%, I started it yesterday 15:47 jwagner Merci beaucoup! 15:46 hdl jwagner: Si Activé, affiche le bouton de réservation en hat des listes de résultats à l'intranet et à l'OPAC. Les bibliothèques dont les règles de réservations sont strictes devraient désactiver cette option et restreindre les utilisateur à ne placer qu'une réservation à la fois 15:35 jwagner The description is : If ON, displays the Place Hold button at the top of the search results list in staff and OPAC. Sites whose policies require tighter control over holds may want to turn this option off and limit users to placing holds one at a time. 15:35 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3093 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, sedwards@alloycomputing.com, ASSIGNED, Enhance placing of holds in staff interface 15:35 jwagner hdl, thanks. See Bug 3093 -- it's causing problems for a couple of my sites, so I'm doing a syspref to turn it off. 15:34 hdl jwagner: I am here 15:26 jwagner Any French speakers online for a syspref translation? 14:06 kf thd-away: around? 14:01 kf thd: around? 13:41 jwagner Too late now :-) just sent the patch. 13:29 jwagner I'm working on a patch to fix the default setup for a couple of the delivered z39.50 targets. Are there any others people would like to add into the default list while I'm in there? There was a posting on the Koha list from Agnes Rivers-Moore last month with some useful targets. 13:22 kf good morning jwager 13:22 jwagner good morning kf 13:22 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0�C (2:00 PM CET on November 11, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 13:22 kf @wunder konstanz 12:42 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 10.7�C (4:39 AM PST on November 11, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). 12:42 brendan @wunder 93117 12:42 chris_n *lots* of rain here 12:41 brendan morning chris_n 12:41 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 13.0�C (7:19 AM EST on November 11, 2009). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect through Thursday evening... 12:41 chris_n @wunder 28334 12:41 chris_n g'morning #koha 12:36 kf kf: back 11:57 niny then we ignored it and went for make install 11:57 niny But after compilation, make test of XML-LibXML-1.59 shows error 11:56 niny when we tried to install, it asked for XML-LibXML-1.59 11:55 niny and perl-XML-LibXSLT needs version 1.59 11:55 niny i am using CentOS 5.3 11:55 kf paul_p: lunch time here too - ttyl :) 11:54 paul_p see you in a few minuts 11:54 * paul_p head for lunch, REALLY HUNGRY !!! 11:54 kf just figured out 11:53 paul_p d 11:53 paul_p oups... remove the ? at the en 11:53 niny its ok 11:53 kf paul_p2: sorry, something is wrong with the link 11:53 paul_p niny: no idea then :( 11:53 paul_p XSLT for UNIMARC and staff available here 11:52 niny we have given root's password and kohaadmin users password as same 11:52 paul_p2 kf: http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha;a=commit;h=ed047fead87b2ddf209758ad4a0eaabaa0cb8cad? 11:52 kf paul_p2: here 11:52 paul_p2 kf: still about ? 11:52 paul_p2 the previous problem can come from mysql login/pass being wrong. 11:51 paul_p2 (but, you may have problems later. You REALLY need the uptodate version of LibXML 11:51 paul_p2 niny, for sure this is not why you've "koha.Systempreferences doens't exist" 11:45 niny ? 11:45 niny is that the problem / 11:45 niny I ignored it and done make install 11:45 niny I had a XML::LibXML version 1.59 make test error 11:44 niny done 11:44 Ropuch grant all on koha.* to 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' identified by 'katikoan'; 11:44 niny and db user kohaadmin 11:44 niny created system user koha 11:43 niny with name as 'koha' 11:42 niny yes Ropuch 11:40 Ropuch niny: have you creted a koha database? 11:36 kf niny: sorry, I dont know how to solve your problem. perhaps try posting your error message to the mailing lists 11:32 niny can any body help us 11:25 niny any idea ? 11:25 niny t/Circulation_barcodedecode.t .. DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Table 'koha.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /usr/local/src/koha-3.00.02/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 485. 11:24 niny error in make test 11:12 greenmang0 CGI520: as far as i know.. when i tried to use latest version of koha with older koha db.. koha did upgradation of older db 11:12 CGI520 pls answer my doubt 11:12 CGI520 hi greenmang0 11:11 CGI520 hi greenmango0 11:08 greenmang0 CGI520: as far as i know.. when i tried to use latest version of koha with older koha db.. koha did upgradation of older db 11:02 CGI520 how to use koha 2.2.5 database to koha 3 11:01 CGI520 pls help me 11:01 CGI520 i need a support from u 11:01 CGI520 this is nithin from india 11:01 CGI520 hi 11:00 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.6�C (2:59 AM PST on November 11, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). 11:00 brendan @wunder 93117 09:06 kf hi chris and guten morgen Ropuch 09:02 Ropuch Hi chris 09:02 chris hi kf 09:02 Ropuch Hello kf, hdl 08:55 kf what was in the news, but not the whole celebration 08:55 kf part of it 08:55 kf hi hdl 08:54 hdl Have you seen the celebration for the wall ? 08:54 hdl armistice day in France. 08:53 hdl hi kf 08:48 kf morning #koha 08:34 chris i think koha will soon be one of the most translated pieces of software 08:33 chris just adding sindhi to translate.koha.org 08:33 chris yep 08:28 hdl chris around ? 08:26 hdl bonjour 08:20 Ropuch Good morning paul_p 07:23 Ropuch Morning #koha 04:37 chris_n2 g'night 04:33 brendan hello amit 03:29 chris_n2 hello Amit 03:28 Amit good morning #koha 03:28 Amit hi brendan, chris, chris_n2 03:26 chris_n2 and with Zebra running: http://i38.tinypic.com/zupa3k.jpg 03:05 chris_n2 Koha on win32: http://i33.tinypic.com/18zkvo.jpg 02:59 chris_n2 21:57:43-10/11 [warn] XInclude processing failed for config C:\Progra~1\koha\etc\koha-conf.xml 02:59 chris_n2 file:///C:/Progra~1/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml:153: element include: XInclude error : failed build URL 02:59 chris_n2 file:///C:/Progra~1/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml:109: element include: XInclude error : failed build URL 02:59 chris_n2 file:///C:/Progra~1/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml:82: element include: XInclude error : failed build URL 02:59 chris_n2 C:\Program Files\Zebra\bin>zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f "C:\Progra~1\koha\etc\koha-conf.xml" 02:59 chris_n2 any thoughts on this: 02:05 chris_n2 somehow I knew that, but did not know that when I needed to :-P 02:02 mason 'Prints the value of LIST to STDERR' 02:02 mason yep, http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/warn.html 00:51 chris warn prints to STDERR 00:49 chris_n2 'printf' works fwiw 00:42 chris_n2 ok, perl guru's.... in a perl xs file, what is the proper way to print to STDOUT? would it be 'sprintf' or 'printf'... 'warn' does not seem to work due to the C-ish nature of external function files I guess