Time Nick Message 00:13 mason /me waves 00:15 richard hola mason 00:16 richard russ! 00:16 richard hiya 00:23 russ hi guys 00:26 ricardo Hi everyone 00:28 chris hi ricardo 00:28 ricardo chris: Hi chris. I'm editing the PO file as-we-speak :) 00:29 ricardo This Staff file is really *huge* :( 00:29 chris *nod* 00:29 chris ill make sure i merge all changes up into master when the time comes too, so we wont have to redo lots for 3.2 00:30 ricardo chris: Thanks! :) 00:31 ricardo This PO file is strange... some of the "msgid" are in French 00:32 chris thats probably from the unimarc xlst 00:32 ricardo chris: Right. 00:32 ricardo chris: are those "UNIMARCslim2OAIDC.xsl" strings in the PO file translatable? 00:33 chris i wouldn't bother 00:33 ricardo chris: OK :) 00:33 chris alternatively, you could ask kf/cait what she did for the german ones (when she is about) 00:34 ricardo chris: German also use UNIMARC? 00:34 chris nope but she translated everything I think 00:34 chris certainly 0% left to translate, so she either just copied those as is, or translated them 00:35 ricardo chris: You can always trust the German. Always methodical and thorough, eheh 00:35 chris :) 00:52 CGI203 Hi, 00:52 CGI203 anybody there? 00:52 ricardo CGI203: Kinda :) 00:53 CGI203 I m a librarian for Victoria International College in Malaysia 00:53 CGI203 I was thinking to use Koha as my library system 00:54 CGI203 there are few question i would like to ask here, can i? 00:54 russ go for it :-) 00:56 CGI203 i just wondering for the circulation module can it be separated accessible instead of sharing together with all the modules under admin 00:57 chris access to the functions is controlled by permissions 00:57 chris you can set a user to only have permissions to use circulation 00:58 CGI203 can guide me the way to set permission? and how to create new user for accessing purposes 00:59 chris i can point you at the manual that explains all that :) 00:59 chris http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/patrons/add-new-staff-patron/ 00:59 CGI203 thank u very much!!! 01:00 chris http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/patrons/patron-permissions 01:03 CGI203 tats all i need to do?? 01:05 chris yes 01:05 chris i recommend reading the rest of the manual too 01:05 chris http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0 01:05 CGI203 thx....so usually which permission should i need to 'check' for those circulation staff??? 01:06 chris circulate 01:06 chris and maybe borrowers if you want them to be able to edit borrower inforamtion also 01:06 chris and then if you want them to be able to pay fines etc, updatecharges 01:27 CGI203 okok....noted with thx 01:43 CGI203 once i set the permission for my circulation staff.....how can they access to circulation module? 01:53 CGI203 anybody? 01:53 russ they login to the staff site and if it is the only module they have access to 01:53 russ then it is the only one they will see 01:54 CGI203 i cant try it in liblime demo..... 01:55 CGI203 so which mean once i set the permission for my circulation staff under patron management.....they can access the staff portal with pre-define user and password? 01:55 russ yep 01:56 russ a patron/member is just another kind of user 01:56 russ by default they have very limited privs 01:56 russ so if someone at your library started off as a patron 01:56 russ and then became a staff member 01:56 russ all you would do is tweak the privs for their user 01:58 russ the documentation nicole has done is excellent ;-) 01:58 russ http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/patrons 01:58 CGI203 so it tat means even a normal lib patron can access the staff portal? 02:00 russ well in theory but all they would see is the login screen 02:01 russ which is pretty standard for a web based system 02:03 chris without staffaccess set, they cant do anything except see that login screen 02:03 chris and if you read 02:03 chris http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/patrons/patron-permissions 02:03 chris it says 02:03 chris IMPORTANT: In order for a staff member to log into the staff interface they must have (at the very least) 'catalogue' permissions which allow them to view the staff interface. 02:12 ricardo (Just translated "fairy tale"... It's one of my favorite strings ;-) 02:16 CGI203 yeah....i got it...THX!! 02:22 ricardo chris: I'm afraid I will be only able to finish this tomorrow or the day after. Would that be too late for 3.0.5? 02:22 chris you need to ask hdl that one, im not sure 02:22 ricardo chris: Fair enough. Thanks for the info 02:23 ricardo (I'm around the line 39500) 02:42 ricardo OK. That's it for today. Reached line 40197, and I'm officially VERY TIRED :) Going to sleep now 02:43 chris sleep well 02:43 ricardo chris: Thanks! And you have a great day :) 02:45 chris_n2 grrr.... 02:45 chris_n2 what does this mean: production mode - trapped fatal error 02:45 * chris_n2 thinks it is a nebulous error apache produces when it does not know what else to say 02:45 chris somethign fatal, either compilation error or cant connect to the database 02:46 chris naw its a koha error, check the error logs 02:46 chris_n2 I thought carp would dump it to the browser? 02:46 chris not if its dying before it can carp 02:46 chris_n2 ahhh 02:46 chris_n2 win32 stinks 02:48 chris_n2 and so does my attitude atm :-\ 02:48 chris hehe 03:14 chris_n2 win32 *must* have its obligatory reboot.... grrrr 03:14 chris_n2 bbiab 03:19 chris_n2 and we're back 03:23 chris_n2 is it possible that apache can serve up cached pages? 03:24 chris yes 03:24 chris with mod_cache 03:24 chris http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_cache.html 03:26 Amit hi chris, brendan, richard 03:27 Amit good morning #koha 03:27 Amit @wunder Bangalore 03:27 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 20.0�C (5:30 AM IST on November 09, 2009). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. 03:27 richard afternoon Amit 03:28 chris_n2 hello Amit 03:28 Amit heya chris_n2 03:35 chris_n2 built-in find_file: can't find file C:\\progra~1\\koha\\intranet\\htdocs\\intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/installer/auth.tmpl with path = [ 'C:\\progra~1\\koha\\intranet\\htdocs\\intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes' ] 03:35 chris_n2 any ideas? 03:35 chris_n2 obviously the path is wrong 03:36 chris_n2 but where does it come up with this? some apache rewrite foo? 03:39 chris_n2 ahh... T::P error 04:00 chris_n2 T::P bug on win32 is more accurate 04:01 chris_n2 *sigh* 04:01 chris_n2 maybe we'll get koha on strawberry eventually 04:01 * chris_n2 wanders off to find sleep 07:30 kf good morning #koha 07:31 Ropuch Guten Tag, kf [; 07:32 kf Hallo Ropuch, wie geht es dir? ;) 07:34 Ropuch Good, I guess ;-) 07:34 Ropuch I'm starting to dislike mondays 07:37 kf I already do 07:38 Ropuch I'm struggling :) 07:39 Ropuch Graphic card on my work computer finaly gave up, it's good to have some spare private linux box around from times when i was testing koha 09:49 kaushik what is the best partitioning scheme for koha 09:52 kaushik in linux 10:26 Amit heya kaushik 11:03 ricardo Hi everyone 11:04 ricardo hdl: Are you there? 11:11 kf hi ricardo 11:12 ricardo kf: Hi :) 11:36 knop3x hi! someone there? 11:37 knop3x I have a quite simple question: 11:37 knop3x Is the koha staff client and OPAC already available in russian and/or ukrainian? 11:39 knop3x I don't find any information on the koha-site except this: http://koha.org/documentation/project-faq-history-philosophy-etc/can-i-get-koha-in-my-own-language/?searchterm=available%20languages 11:39 knop3x And that doesn't help... ;-) 11:45 ricardo knop3x: Hi 11:46 ricardo knop3x: I believe it is... 11:46 ricardo http://translate.koha.org/ru/ 11:46 ricardo http://translate.koha.org/uk/ 11:48 ricardo http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=tree;f=installer/data/mysql/ru-RU;h=b2d54210236bbb7dc6bf93037a2ff494a85c5dd0;hb=3.0.x 11:48 ricardo http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=tree;f=installer/data/mysql/uk-UA;h=399e4b415acb777c90edd67c6e6afe826abfeb75;hb=3.0.x 11:48 ricardo knop3x: So, given the above 4 URLs, I would say that yes, there's indeed a Russian and an Ukrainian translation :) 11:55 CGI750 issue problem 11:55 CGI750 borrower will leave soon 11:56 CGI750 how do i solve it 11:56 CGI750 version 2.2..9 11:56 kf what is your problem? 11:56 CGI750 how to sepecify duedate for borrowers 11:57 CGI750 i am not able to isssue books after upgrading to 2.2.9 11:57 kf you want to check out with a due_date different to stanard? 11:57 kf I dont know Koha before 3.0.0 11:57 CGI750 when i am trying to issue , i get a red message error , borrower due date expired 11:57 kf oh 11:58 kf perhaps the borrower is the problem 11:58 CGI750 any idea 11:58 CGI750 any idea ?? 11:58 kf check his expiration date 11:59 CGI170 not able to issue books 11:59 CGI170 pls help 12:00 kf check the expiration date of the user 12:00 CGI170 i am getting error borrower will be leaving soon 12:01 CGI170 Is there is a global option for setting the due date 12:01 kf I dont know 2.2.9 but normally due date is determined by loan rules 12:02 CGI170 in my loan rules i have onle fine parameter 12:02 kf no loan period? 12:09 knop3x Hey! Thnaks for the above! 12:11 knop3x But it doesn't seem like a "ripe" translation if 50% are fuzzy... 12:14 knop3x and: Is there a how-to for people about no idea about anything? ;-) 12:15 kf knop3x: translation or koha in general? 12:16 hdl ricardo: I am here 12:28 knop3x kf: i meant koha in general, but that should include the translation... 12:28 knop3x i think also a "sketch" could helpü... 12:28 knop3x i mean, what is koha? it runs only on a server, right? 12:28 knop3x and you can acces it with a staff client? 12:39 kf knop3x: its web based, you can access staff interface via port 8080 12:45 kf knop3x: perhaps start with the koha manual on koha.org 12:58 chris_n g'morning 12:59 jwagner good morning chris_n 13:11 kf good morning jagner, chris_n 13:12 chris_n howdy kf 13:12 jwagner good morning kf 13:12 Nate morning #koha! 13:22 chris_n hello owen, Nate 13:22 owen Hi 13:54 ricardo hdl: Sorry. I went for lunch and forgot to change my nick to "ricardo_away". Are you still here? 13:54 hdl yes 13:55 ricardo hdl: Cool :) I'm in the process of finishing the translation for the Portuguese Staff PO file, but it may take 1 or 2 days to conclude it. When do you want /plan to release 3.0.5 (so that I can try to get this updated translation for 3.0.5)? 13:56 hdl mmmm... should be next week. 13:57 ricardo hdl: That's great. That should give me plenty of time to finish and test the translation. I'll "pretty sure" that I'll have it ready during this week 13:57 ricardo s/I'll/I'm 14:43 knop3x thanks again. Will certainly do (doing already). Cu 15:22 Jpr hi all, I'm in the midst of customizing the front page of our Opac and I've hit a snag that I'm at a loss as to how to resolve. 15:22 owen You've come to the right place Jpr 15:23 Jpr owen: in fact, I've been using a number of articles from your blog 15:24 Jpr so, here's my question; 15:24 hdl hi gmcharlt 15:25 Jpr I used your CSS for enlittling the login box, and now I've gotten around to editing the mainuserblock. 15:25 Jpr The problem is, the yui-u grid in which the login block is located still makes a bunch of white space where I'd like to be able to put other things 15:25 owen Yeah, your options are very limited there. 15:26 Jpr I'd tried with some CSS, but it doesn't seem to have any effect on the yui-u 15:26 Jpr and given that it continues to 'contain' the login box... 15:28 Jpr so, when you say that my options are 'limited' just how limited are they? 15:28 owen There is no built-in way to put content in the right column. 15:28 owen It would be possible to write content to that area using jquery 15:29 owen But the glitch with that option is that the right-hand column will disappear when the user is logged in 15:29 owen Your javascript would have to take that into account somehow. 15:29 owen And of course you've got the problem of excluding non-js users 15:30 Jpr at least for the moment that wouldn't be a problem, since the OPAC's only available on our internal network 15:31 owen I've filed a bug for this issue already: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3708 15:31 munin 04Bug 3708: enhancement, P5, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, Add another customizable region to the OPAC: right sidebar 15:34 Jpr and it isn't possible to reposition or otherwise tweak the CSS of that yui-u block so that it would at least reduce the white-space, thus giving more space to the mainuserblock? 15:35 Jpr or change which type of yui grid is involved? 15:35 owen It's possible, I haven't tried it before. 15:38 Jpr alright, thanks for your help! 15:38 owen Jpr: I'm not sure you're going to be able to get specific enough with the CSS to be able to target just the home page 15:39 Jpr ah, that same yui-u class might be used elsewhere? 15:39 owen Yes, it might be. I can't recall offhand 15:40 owen It's one of the basic building blocks of a YUI grid layout 15:40 owen Okay, yes, for instance, the advanced search page 15:41 owen Oh, and opac-detail as well. So you've got to be sure you're targeting just the home page. Unfortunately, that page isn't identified by a unique <body> id like some pages are 15:41 Jpr hmm, so css is no way to go 15:41 owen (that's a good candidate for a bug) 15:42 Jpr I may just have to get used to that white space, at least for the time being 15:49 Jpr the tag <div id="doc3" class="yui-t1"> isn't page specific either? 15:50 owen No 15:54 Jpr Owen, thank you again for your help and your time; I do appreciate it. I'm gonna get down to work, either learning like that white-space or taking advantage of it with jquery. Thanks again! 16:04 Ropuch Hello 16:16 kf ok, time to go home - bye #koha :) 16:25 jdavidb @quote random 16:25 munin jdavidb: Quote #18: "<pianohacker> nitpicking synergy FTW" (added by gmcharlt at 01:35 PM, July 24, 2009) 17:28 chris_n it's entirely too quite in here 17:29 * chris_n bangs a few virtual pans for effect 17:30 * sekjal puts on his librarian hat, and shushes chris_n 17:31 jwagner But I thought libraries were beyond the "hush" stereotype??? 17:32 sekjal only in learning commons (and related locations) 17:39 rhcl Today is the 5 year anniversary of the Firefox 1.0 release. Cheers~~~ 17:39 jwagner Well, I'm going to go bang a few virtual pans and get some lunch, anyway! 17:40 rhcl I always prefer real food lunches to virtual lunches. 17:42 * chris_n heads out to real lunch as well 17:44 * paul_p heads out to real dinner soon ;-) 17:44 paul_p hello everybody 17:47 chris morning 18:04 jwagner chris, aren't you up awfully early? 18:05 chris 7am 18:06 jwagner Huh, guess I have my time zones mixed up again. Good morning, anyway :-) 18:07 chris well daylight savings here has started, and its finished there, so its 2 hours different than it was a month ago 18:07 jwagner OK, that makes sense. I wondered why I was off that much..... 18:29 chris right, kahu eating breakfast and a coffee for me, time for some email before the bus 18:33 * paul_p didn't send any email to chris, but send some IRC 'morning though. 18:34 chris :) 18:34 chris got some italian translation updates 18:34 chris and some replies from venues for kohacon 18:37 pianohacker good morning #koha 18:38 chris hiya pianohacker 18:38 pianohacker hey chris, how's your tuesday going? 18:38 chris can you do me a flavour, and email me through the url of your patches 18:39 * chris uses his inbox as a todo stack 18:39 pianohacker ahh, gotcha 18:42 chris thanks 18:47 chris ok time to go to work 18:48 pianohacker see ya 19:10 wizzyrea_mobile Hi peps 19:11 Ropuch Hi wizzyrea_mobile 19:11 wizzyrea_mobile How is everybody today? 19:12 jdavidb Doing good, wizzyrea_mobile..you? 19:12 pianohacker hi, wizzyrea_mobile 19:12 wizzyrea_mobile At a conference actually, it's ok 19:13 wizzyrea_mobile Hey ph :) 19:15 wizzyrea_mobile Brb 19:35 chris_n wb gmcharlt :-) 19:35 gmcharlt silly laptop wanted a reboot suddenly 19:36 chris back 19:36 pianohacker hello again :) 19:37 * ricardo is running Koha's "make test" so takes the time to go get himself a coffee ;-) 19:38 pianohacker ricardo: You can be the testsuite stress tester for 3.4 19:41 chris thanks for the email pianohacker 19:41 pianohacker np 19:42 pianohacker Feel free to bug me if the merge conflicts get out of hand, I know more about that quirky js than I'd care to 19:42 chris will do 19:43 chris_n hi chris, pianohacker 19:43 pianohacker hi, chris_n 19:43 pianohacker what are you up to? 19:44 chris_n ahh... working to finish up the layout editor for the patron card creator 19:45 chris_n its a wonderful exercise in text based graphics arts layout and design :-P 19:45 chris_n a major step forward for koha and a major step backwards for the graphics art industry. ;-) 19:51 chris these are gonna be a little tricky, old patches, me checks out a version of koha from around july last year 19:51 * ricardo is back from his coffee... but "make test" hasn't finished yet :( 19:57 * chris_n wonders about a 'make test' for coffee 20:08 * ricardo is now running "make install" 20:25 chris pianohacker: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ajaxcirc 20:26 chris 2 patches down, not a lot of changes yet 20:26 pianohacker cool! 20:26 chris lots have been done by more recent patches 20:26 chris so some conflicts, but easy enough to resolve 20:27 chris on to number 3 20:27 * pianohacker adds disclaimer that the code is more than a year old, and takes no responsibility for its quality 20:27 chris yeah i figure we can play with the ajaxcirc branch a bit 20:27 chris and tidy it up 20:27 pianohacker Yup 20:30 chris what i did was branch from july 21 2008, apply patches there 20:30 chris then cherry-pick into ajaxcirc and fix conflicts 20:40 chris 3 down 20:40 chris ill do some more at lunch 21:41 ricardo chris: I think I may be being bit by the "pt-BR mistaken as regular PT" bug... Would it be possible, when I send it to you the pt-PT updated STAFF file to copy it also for pt-BR (that might mitigate / solve the bug) 21:42 chris yep 21:42 chris i thought you had solved the bug by fixing the db? 21:43 ricardo chris: I thought so too. And it did solve in one or two setups (two, I think... It's not solving it for the 3rd one, though... Must I run manually ./install-code.pl pt-BR (after updating the database), so I get there the missing "includes" files? 21:43 chris umm only if you want pt-BR 21:44 chris id just remove the pt-BR templates 21:45 ricardo chris: No, I don't want it ... I think it's also related to the fact that, in Firefox, there's no "pt-PT"... only "pt" and "pt-BR"... Maybe Koha's detection of "installed browser languages" is picking pt-BR by mistake? Dunno... 21:45 ricardo chris: But would that solve the problem for other people, as well? 21:46 chris well if it pt-BR is there, then it will pick it up, what happens if you remove those templates? 21:46 chris id prefer to not overwrite the BR ones, unless the brazilians ask for that 21:49 ricardo chris: Well, for the "staff" PO file, I believe they wouldn't mind considering they only have 1% translated :) 21:51 ricardo Yep, this solved the bug: 21:51 ricardo myhost:/usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog # mv pt-BR _pt_br_old 21:52 chris cool, so yep looks like the C4::Language module has a bug 21:52 ricardo So, Koha is "picking" pt-BR by mistake... Like I said, maybe it's related to Koha's detection of what languages the user has set up in the Browser ("content negotiation")? 21:52 ricardo chris: Right 21:52 ricardo chris: Oh, boy... I tried to debug the "C4::Language" before (for this bug)... and it isn't pretty :-/ 21:53 chris yeah, its on my list to rewrite too 21:53 chris overly complicated 21:56 ricardo chris: True! 21:58 ricardo Well... It's past my time to go home. I wanted to do this, because I wanted to demo Koha for some people that come tomorrow, and I didn't want to show them this: 21:58 ricardo Look of the Staff client of Koha 3.0.3 (and 3.0.4) when there is a pt-BR folder 21:58 chris yeah 21:58 ricardo http://www.twitpic.com/lnjb7 21:58 ricardo (watch the screenshot, if you haven't done it before ^^^ :-/ 21:58 chris i think the safest is just remove those templates for now 21:59 ricardo chris: Yeah, probably 21:59 ricardo chris: Can you take care of that for 3.0.5 ? 21:59 chris i think we will just not include pt-BR for 3.0.5 22:00 chris since i wont have tiem to fix C4::Languages before then 22:00 ricardo chris: That's fine by me! :) (at least for the staff client, I don't think the OPAC has the same problem) 22:00 ricardo chris: understood 22:00 chris pianohacker: you about? 22:01 chris http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ajaxcirc 22:01 chris all merged, no idea if it works yet though :) 22:01 chris ok, back to work work i go 22:02 pianohacker chris: that was an impressively fast merge; do you have a git:// url? 22:04 chris yep 22:04 chris git://git.catalyst.net.nz/koha.git 22:04 chris or http:// 22:06 ricardo chris: Gotta go now... Thanks and take care! :) 22:07 chris cya later ricardo 22:07 ricardo chris: Bye :) 22:18 pianohacker chris: code pulled, found some bugs (first was old issued_itemtypes_count_loop, now excised from circulation.pl, second will be getting rid of unclosed TMPL_ that causes an incomplete checkout page) 22:19 chris ahh right 22:19 chris if you get a chance, could you fire some patches at me for those? 22:20 pianohacker will probably be later, took a quick look then had to get back to school, but I can send you patches or a pull-request from my github, whichever works better 22:22 chris either is fine :)