Time Nick Message 00:10 chris_n2 ftherese: any luck? 01:01 Nate Ok time to sign out for the day gnight #koha! 01:21 chris_n2 argghh... 01:50 chris_n2 ok perl wizards, I'm stumped 01:50 pastebot "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "array weirdness" (210 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/43 01:50 chris_n2 any thoughts on what causes this weirdness? 01:53 chris hmmm 01:53 chris dunno, but it's a bunch easier to read if you do 01:53 chris http://paste.workbuffer.org/43?ln=on&tidy=on&hl=on&submit=Format+it! 01:54 chris_n2 yeah 01:54 chris_n2 no matter how I cut it it always appears to modify the same array contents 01:55 chris_n2 rather than undef'ing the array each pass 01:56 chris $field_font = _set_selected( $font_types, $field_params->{'font'} ); 01:56 chris its always passing the same array in 01:57 chris so you are dumping hte same array, each time its passed into _set_selected 01:57 chris_n2 right, it should be, but what's coming out should only have one 'selected' => 1 01:57 chris well nothing is unselecting it 01:57 chris thats a ref to an array being passed in, and being returned 01:58 chris it will just keep setting selected=1 for ever 01:58 chris_n2 ahhh 01:58 chris nothing is unsetting it 01:58 chris_n2 the arrayref is the same... boy did I miss that one 01:58 chris if you see what what i mean 01:58 chris_n2 since I'm passing the ref and not the actual array 01:58 chris *nod* 01:59 chris_n2 so I need to deref it to unset it, correct? 01:59 chris or make a copy, modify that and return it 02:00 chris actually no that wont work 02:00 chris yeah, deref it 02:01 chris you might want to warn on $layout_font too 02:01 chris just to check that is what you think it should be 02:03 chris_n2 *nod* 02:04 chris that my should be stopping the side effect 02:05 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Use array assignment to a loca" (8 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/44 02:05 chris so it should actually be making a copy each time and modifying that 02:06 chris so i might have put you wrong 02:13 chris_n2 very strange 02:14 chris_n2 derefing it and copying it so: my @font_types_copy = @font_types; and the weirdness is the same :-P 02:15 chris_n2 recopying each pass even 02:16 chris_n2 it somehow appears that all the vars reference the same memory location 02:16 chris that is really weird 02:19 * chris_n2 consults with the perl gurus 02:19 chris_n2 and bets it is something obvious as it too often is 02:20 chris it is usually the way 02:28 chris_n2 bad algorithm... 02:29 chris ? 02:29 chris_n2 [21:21] <CSJewell> You have an algorithm error in _set_selected. The if statement needs an else { $type->{'selected'} = 0; } 02:30 chris hmmm 02:30 chris_n2 turns out the actual "referent" is not scoped and everything (vars and references) point to the same "referent"... 8-S 02:30 chris ahhh 02:30 chris so i was half on the right track 02:31 chris_n2 adding the 'else' does "fix" the "problem" 02:31 chris_n2 but really being able to destroy the referent would be better probably 02:31 chris yeah 02:31 * chris_n2 tries hard to remember his C++ 02:34 brendan what do you mean "referent" ? 02:37 brendan "call-by-reference" 02:37 chris_n2 brendan: the thing the reference refers to 02:38 brendan ok -- kind of tongue tided there 02:38 chris_n2 theoretically an actual memory address 02:38 brendan ok 02:39 brendan thanks -- understanding the term usage a little bit better now 02:42 chris_n2 brendan: I may be wrong... have been before and will be again 02:43 brendan won't hold anything against you :) 03:02 chris http://stephenslighthouse.sirsidynix.com/archives/2009/10/its_about_a_res.html 03:02 chris check out that last comment and stephens comment on it 03:03 chris he is the master of playing the woe is me, im such a martyr card 03:08 brendan http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2009/11/1105back-to-the-future 03:08 brendan from the evergreen channel :) 03:09 chris_n2 he is a bit 'slippery' I'd say 03:15 chris_n2 http://paste.workbuffer.org/47?tidy=on&hl=on&submit=Format+it! 03:16 chris_n2 so it appears that I really am just passing around the reference 03:16 chris_n2 and so am operating on the same array regardless of the name 03:17 * chris_n2 spends way too much time chasing rabbits 03:18 chris_n2 brendan: lol 03:18 brendan chris : the idea that Stephen has a response on every comment on his blog -- just really get's under my skin 03:19 brendan I know the claim of too much spam -- but geeze it really bothers me 03:19 chris_n2 self generated spam? 03:20 brendan Wonders how many responses he hasn't posted 03:41 Amit hi chris, brendan, richard 03:42 Amit good morning #koha 03:42 richard hi Amit 03:43 * chris_n2 thinks there is a wicked heisenbug in perl >8-( 03:43 chris_n2 nothing like being persecuted by your own code 03:43 chris_n2 hi richard, Amit 03:44 richard hiya chris_n2 03:45 Amit heya chris_n2 03:48 brendan hello Amit 06:00 Amit hi granthpal 06:01 granthpal hi guys.. first install attempt of koha on CentOS image -- opac/staffclient accessible -- added one book -- HOWEVER Search won't respond -- two errors in the log files :: DBD:mysql:st + HTML::Template::Pro:in TMPL_LOOP ... Can anyone help 06:01 granthpal hi AMit :) 06:21 * chris_n2 crawls off to sleep 07:00 ftherese anyone here this morning? 07:00 ftherese evening/afternoon 07:02 Ropuch^ Morning ;> 07:02 ftherese I need to do surgery on my koha database to find out why it isn't being indexed, even though no errors are being reported - maybe it is the way I am using the bulkimportscript.pl 07:07 Ropuch^ I've never used bulkmarcimport 07:08 ftherese consider yourself blessed 07:09 Ropuch ftherese: huh, the previous ils' records are so bad I decided to skip migration and create new records 07:10 Ropuch So I'm consider myself busy instead of blessed ;> 07:10 ftherese I'll say... If I decided to do that... I would be at it for at least a year before we could migrate 07:11 ftherese 40000+ records 07:12 Ropuch I was < 10k then, so i had that choice ;> 07:45 hdl chris around ? 09:34 |Lupin| hello all 09:34 Ropuch Hi laurence 09:34 Ropuch Uh 09:34 Ropuch Hello |Lupin| [; 09:35 laurence hello Ropuch 09:36 |Lupin| hi Ropuch, laurence 09:38 |Lupin| someone remembers how to solve the dependency problem with libicu36 ? 09:49 Ropuch I've downloaded .deb and instlled it manualyy afar 09:50 |Lupin| Ropuch: I think I did the same but currently I can't find the .deb again 09:50 Ropuch https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/libicu36/3.6-3 09:51 |Lupin| Ropuch: thanks, but would you also be able to find a link from a Debian site ? 09:51 |Lupin| Ropuch: also, I'd need the amd64 version 09:52 Ropuch http://packages.debian.org/etch/libicu36 09:54 Ropuch It's from etch, but should work 09:54 |Lupin| Ropuch: yep I visited this page and didn't see the link to download the binary, but perhaps I went through the page too quickly 09:55 Ropuch http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/i/icu/libicu36_3.6-2etch3_amd64.deb 09:57 |Lupin| Ropuch: ahah ! thanks a lot ! 10:28 Brewman OK....silly question of the day.....any one know where to change the text of such things like "Login" and "Password" ? is there a variable file anywhere? 10:28 Brewman That's on the OPAC 10:31 hdl in template file 10:34 Brewman template file? Which one? 10:34 Ropuch hdl: I think it's in .po 10:35 Ropuch Oh 10:35 Ropuch Brewman: you want to change an english version? 10:35 hdl Ropuch: If you want to change that in English, then you have to edit template. 10:35 Brewman Yep, should have mentioned that 10:37 Ropuch ;> 10:38 Brewman Is it the opac-main.tmpl? 10:41 Brewman Great....found it..../usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-main.tmpl 10:41 Brewman Thanks! 11:03 jan hi all 11:03 Brewman Would anyone be able to look here and tell me what might be wrong? http://83.141.96.100:222/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl 11:04 jan anyone know the status of AmazonContent and AmazonEnabled ..... both settings are used in source, but in the admin interface you can only set the latter ... :/ 11:12 granthpal2 Brewman: your splash page is all skewed up, but searches are quite fine, results for "system" download within 3 seconds in mumbai, india :) 11:14 Brewman Yeah, its the screen all messed up that I have a problem with!! Any idea where to look? I am thinking it might be a CSS issue but not sure 11:16 granthpal2 Guys ! This is my first installation 3.0.2 on CentOS. I have added one marc record, but it just won't show up in a search... 11:17 |Lupin| granthpal2: have you indexed he dtabase ? 11:17 granthpal2 <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/opac-tmpl/prog/en/css/opac2.css" /> 11:17 granthpal2 <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/opac-tmpl/prog/en/css/opac2.css" /> 11:18 granthpal2 brewman: your page source -- line 14 -- 11:18 granthpal2 what I have is opac.css ! 11:19 Brewman I know, I was trying to change things around to see if it is CSS, I will change back to opac.css but I think it'll be the same 11:19 granthpal2 Lupin: I came across a cmd online a few hrs back and ran the zebra index -- it said 2 biblios indexed --- still searching for catch 11:19 |Lupin| granthpal2: the oher thing to check is that the zebra daemon is running... 11:24 granthpal2 Yeah, zebra daemon is on 11:24 granthpal2 log-opac-err shows: opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in addition (+) at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl 11:24 granthpal2 other err: HTML::Template::Pro:in TMPL_LOOP at pos 232: PARAM:LOOP:next_loop(0): callback returned null scope 11:31 hdl jan : you can add the one you need. New System Preference. 11:32 hdl But there should be only one valid. 11:33 jan hi hdl, thanks, i did, i just find it strange that i cannot find some preferences documented, also "OPACShowCheckoutName" 11:35 hdl are you on a 3.2 version or 3.0 ? 11:38 jan latest 3.0.x 11:38 |Lupin| bye all 11:39 hdl jan: OPACShowCheckoutName is 3.2 iirc. 11:40 jan hdl: i was reading the documentation of 3.0 : http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/administration/global-system-preferences/opac#opacshowcheckoutname 12:24 Nate Good Morning #koha 12:25 Amit heya Nate 12:25 Nate morning Amit! 12:31 Brewman Anyone know if you can either switch off the Pickup Location drop down when placing a hold or, make it default in a NON alphabetical way? 12:40 Amit heya Brewman 12:40 Brewman Hey 12:40 hdl hi all 12:40 Amit heya hdl, jwagner 12:41 jwagner Hi everyone 12:46 Nate hi jwagner 12:46 Nate hi hdl 12:52 Amit hi paul 13:09 chris_n g'morning #koha 13:09 ftherese morning chris_n 13:09 chris_n ftherese: how's your zebra behaving today? 13:10 ftherese poorly :( 13:10 ftherese well... I guess it works 13:10 ftherese but it doesn't return any results 13:11 ftherese the only way I can find my records is by looking in the inventory 13:11 chris_n have you tried connecting with the yaz-client and doing some search 13:11 ftherese they don't show up in the catalog or in the reservoir 13:11 ftherese even when everything runs without reporting any errors 13:11 ftherese no... I don't know how that works... 13:11 chris_n 'morning gmcharlt 13:12 ftherese chris_n: yaz-client? what does that do? 13:12 gmcharlt good morning 13:13 chris_n ftherese: check out this example from kete: http://kete.net.nz/documentation/topics/show/163-accessing-zebra-directly-with-yaz-client 13:13 chris_n it should work for koha as well 13:13 chris_n yaz-client is a cli zebra client 13:14 ftherese ok 13:14 chris_n doing that will at least tell you if the problem is w/zebra 13:14 ftherese zebra gives no errors 13:14 ftherese if I watch the server output 13:14 ftherese the user connects makes the request and then hangs up without a problem 13:23 Amit hi galen 13:35 nengard is it just me or has the koha list gotten more active lately? maybe it's just that I have so much more to do lately that I can't keep up!!! 13:37 owen I don't think it's just you nengard 13:37 nengard oh good :) 13:38 owen and lots of it is coming from outside the US, which is exciting but makes for more language problems. 13:43 nengard that is true 13:43 owen Brewman, did you get your template problem sorted out? 13:43 paul_p g'morning USA... 13:44 jwagner Bonjour paul_p. No jpaul_p today? 13:48 Brewman Owen@ I got the Text in the template sorted, yes. However this problems remains - > look at the was this page is all messed up! http://83.141.96.100:222/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl 13:48 owen What kind of changes have you made? HTML? CSS? Both? 13:49 Brewman To that advanced page? None, that problem was there before I made any changes 13:49 paul_p jwagner: jnope, jbut i'ill jadd j jeverywhere :D 13:50 Brewman It is a CSS problem though, if I strip the css from the page its fine. However, there seems to be an <div> of Boolean that I can't find in any style sheet 13:50 jwagner paul_p, jwell, jI jguess jthat jwill jwork jtoo! 13:50 chris_n lol 13:52 owen Brewman: What version of Koha is this? 13:53 * jdavidb needs some jsleep. 13:53 Brewman Version 3.0001005 13:56 * owen doesn't know what official version number that translates to 13:56 nengard ahhhhhh - too many Js 13:57 * jdavidb finds it jamusing that all the js are jconfusing jnengard. 13:57 paul_p hello jnengard ! 13:57 Brewman I think it's 3.0.1 13:57 * paul_p jhas a jlittle jproblem... 14:01 owen Brewman: What templates have you modified? 14:03 Brewman just opac-results (changing to yui-t1 to yui-t4). Nothing else 14:03 Brewman in opacfacets 14:05 owen Brewman: Do you have the opacbookbag and virtualshelves preferences turned off? 14:07 Brewman one sec and I'll check 14:07 Brewman yes, to both 14:07 owen It looks like you must. I wonder if the problem goes away if they're on? 14:08 Brewman We'll, I try it. Gimme a minute. 14:08 * owen is looking at what's missing from your advanced search screen and wondering if there is a connection 14:09 Brewman Both turned on now and no change. 14:13 owen I'm not sure what to tell you Brewman. I don't have an installation of that version to check against, but I can't imagine an unmodified installation would have a completely broken advanced search page 14:14 owen I would try to track down any possible changes you might have made. Maybe check the files from the original tarball and diff them against the templates you have installed? 14:16 Brewman Yeah, I know, it's a strange one. It is possible someone else changed it. I thought someone here might spot it straight away, but I will go back to installer files and check. Thanks for your help. 14:28 jwagner paul_p and others, we have an installation problem. Doing a git install, we applied paul_p's patch for Bug 3608 to make the messaging options work in patron categories and patron records. When I try to set some options in the patron categories, it will record and display things like Hold Filled. But it won't retain settings for Advance Notice (e.g., 5 days, digest). jdavidb tells me he sees them in the table, but they don't show in the patron categor 14:28 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3608 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Install from scratch, file uploading errors [BibLibre coderun] 14:29 paul_p jwagner: I don't understand the relation btw 3608 and your problem ? 14:29 jwagner And when I create a new patron based on one of the categories, it sees and applies the hold setting, but does not pick up the advance notice setting. I can edit the record to it, and jdavidb says he sees it in the table, but it again doesn't display. 14:30 jdavidb Bug 3608 prevented loading of sample_notices (which prevented loading of sample_notice_message_transport). May not be tightly linked, but it's in there. 14:31 jwagner He had to load your patch before I could get any message settings at all in the patron categories. 14:31 jwagner I checked a couple of other systems. On my sandbox, updated to latest Koha head, it does the same thing. On another machine with the same version number (.061) but a couple of weeks behind head, messaging settings display and work properly. 15:16 hdl gmcharlt: around ? 15:17 gmcharlt hi hdl 15:17 hdl hi how are you ? 15:17 gmcharlt not too bad 15:19 hdl As Chris told, I shall release a new 3.0.5 quite soon. 15:19 gmcharlt understood 15:19 jdavidb hdl++ 15:19 hdl any hint on our master branch update ? 15:20 hdl (merge in official branch) ? 15:27 gmcharlt hdl: ready to go tonight 15:28 redtano test chat 15:28 paul_p redtano: works ;-) 15:34 owen I'm surprised how many people come in here just to find out if it works. Are they waiting for an emergency to ask a real question? 15:37 wizzyrea idk, I'm surprised that librarians aren't more interested in real time group chat 15:37 wizzyrea i mean, they love conferences 15:39 owen We tried to set up an IRC channel for our 7 branches, and it never took off. 15:39 owen But most people don't sit down at a computer 15:39 wizzyrea jwagner: i'm looking at my current head, and the messaging settings come through fine 15:40 wizzyrea sorry, I know that's like discussion from an hour ago 15:41 * owen has to go pick up a sniffly baby from daycare :( 15:41 owen Wish me luck! 15:44 chris_n what we need is a "HUD' type hat that has wireless connectivity and scrolls the irc buffer before our eyes as we walk about 15:44 wizzyrea @later tell owen good luck with the baby! 15:44 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 15:45 wizzyrea hehe 15:45 wizzyrea chris_n did you see/hear about the device that non-sighted people can put on their tongue, attached to a camera, that can allow them to "see" 15:45 wizzyrea lemme see if I can find it 15:46 chris_n sounds neat 15:46 wizzyrea http://www.c00lstuff.com/308/The_blind_can_now_see_with_tongue_vision/ 15:46 chris_n I did read about experiments in sensor implants in the optic area of the brain 15:46 wizzyrea I wonder if you could stretch the functionality of that to create a 6th sense: the internet sense :) 15:49 chris_n heh 15:49 chris_n http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/35502/artificial_vision_can_brain_implants.html?cat=12 15:58 nengard quick question - for koha db is an issue a check out only? or a check out and/or a renewal 16:04 jdavidb An issue can be renewed. Renewal and checkout are *actions*, and an issue is a record of either. Renewing updates the issue record. 16:20 jdavidb gmcharlt: ping? 16:21 gmcharlt jdavidb: pong 16:21 jdavidb I resubmitted a patch for bug 3775, but it's labeled for 3774. Fat-finger typing day, I guess. Can you fix, or do I need to re-re-submit? 16:21 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3775 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, dbavousett@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Accounts::chargelostitem uses title, but title not available to it 16:22 jwagner wizzyrea, sorry, I've been in a meeting & just saw your response to my problem. When did you last update head, can you tell? So far we have a system last updated to head in about July which works, and one updated this week, which doesn't. But they both have version # .061, so it's hard to tell when the problem crept in. 16:24 wizzyrea mine is updated to about 3 days ago 16:24 wizzyrea I think... 16:25 wizzyrea 3.01.00.061 16:25 wizzyrea let me make sure I understand correctly: You set up the messaging defaults on the patron categories page, and the defaults for advance notice don't show up? 16:25 gmcharlt jdavidb: that's fine - I'll fix the bug # when I push 16:26 jdavidb thankee, gmcharlt! 16:26 jwagner wizzyrea, correct. jdavidb says they seem to be recording in the table for the patron categories, but they aren't on the display/edit screen after I set them. And when I create a patron based on the category, the advance notice setting isn't seen/applied -- the actual patron record's settings don't have it. 16:27 jwagner I'm about to open a bug report. 16:27 jwagner It's a critical/blocker for us, because I can't import patrons for this new site until the messaging settings are fixed. 16:33 wizzyrea that's weird, it shows both places in mine 16:33 nengard MySQL problem - I'm getting an array error with this query 16:33 nengard oops - nevermind - a typo 16:34 wizzyrea OH jane 16:34 wizzyrea jwagner! 16:34 wizzyrea I think I know what your problem is 16:34 wizzyrea you can't have days in advance set to 0 16:35 wizzyrea let me double check that you just tickled something in my mind 16:35 wizzyrea a problem we had waaaaay back when we were testing that enhancement 16:36 nengard okay - mysql question for real - I have a report that does this: Patrons who are expired who do not have notes and do not have outstanding fines from before 2006 (2005 on back) -- I have written it but I'm getting no results - I was querying the amountoutstanding field - is there another I should query? 16:36 * wizzyrea just verified that as true (at least on her system) 16:39 * wizzyrea is on pins and needles 16:39 jwagner wizzyrea, I didn't have days in advance set as zero -- I was setting to 5 days. 16:39 wizzyrea doh! 16:39 wizzyrea hey melanie 16:39 wizzyrea well it works on mine :( 16:40 jwagner There has to be something real recent that broke this, but we haven't found it so far. 16:40 nengard I'm working with melanie on the problem i mentioned above 16:43 wizzyrea I just tried to update my install, it said I had the most current version 16:43 wizzyrea is there maybe some jquery mucking it up? 16:43 wizzyrea mucking the display? 16:44 jwagner This is a brand new install -- no jquery, no local code, no data copied from anywhere. 16:44 wizzyrea bah! 16:44 jwagner Bugzilla opened -- Bug 3776 16:44 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3776 blocker, P1, ---, dbavousett@ptfs.com, NEW, messaging options don't display/retain advance notice settings 16:45 wizzyrea maybe this one jane? 16:45 wizzyrea http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=318fd2d57de1cd2878b6eaf6d1e9465eaea473e7 16:45 wizzyrea bah, never mind 16:46 jwagner No, that has to do with the patron screen messages, not the notices. 17:03 wizzyrea_mobile Yay, our proper Internet is down. Stupid AT&T 17:04 wizzyrea_mobile 5 red rlos lights, thumbs up 17:09 wizzyrea hurray! 18:09 jdavidb wizzyrea: do we need to velcro you in place? 18:18 wizzyrea yea pretty much 18:18 * jdavidb feels that it his not his day for patches. 18:20 * jdavidb breaks out some heavy-duty velcro, so wizzyrea won't go away any more. 18:20 chris hmm that can't be right 18:21 * jdavidb fears 18:21 chris We've been told there is one notice sent for each 18:21 chris item on the account... so if a patron had 5 overdue books, he/she would 18:21 chris receive 5 seperate emails. Has anyone found a solution for this problem? 18:21 chris that certainly hasn't been my experience ... anyone else ? 18:23 jwagner chris, the nightly cron for overdues lumps them all together, but if they're using something like the Item Due notice, it sends a separate one. Maybe that's what the poster was talking about? 18:24 chris ahh ill ask, thanks jwagner 18:24 jdavidb Hold pickup notices normally would not combine, either. 18:25 jwagner If I remember right, advance notices don't either, although that's handled separately from things like Items Due. 18:27 chris started the thread off, so if anyone else wants to chip in that would be cool :) 18:39 chris @wunder wellingon, nz 18:39 munin chris: Error: No such location could be found. 18:39 chris @wunder wellington, nz 18:39 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 07, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 18:39 chris i can't see any clouds ... that must be out by the airport 18:40 jdavidb @wunder 20852 18:40 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 10.5�C (1:33 PM EST on November 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Rising). 18:43 chris_n @wunder 28334 18:43 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 15.0�C (1:19 PM EST on November 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising). Freeze warning in effect from 4 am to 9 am EST Saturday... 18:51 * jdavidb chuckles, as he closes bug 3776 18:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3776 blocker, P1, ---, dbavousett@ptfs.com, RESOLVED INVALID, messaging options don't display/retain advance notice settings 18:52 chris ahh, pebkac? 18:53 jwagner Hey! I resemble that remark!!! 18:53 * jdavidb promised he wouldn't say that where the user could hear it, so he doesn't say it, and asks that jwagner take note that he did not. 18:53 jwagner In defense, I've never set up a system where they only wanted digests as an option. It didn't occur to me that you had to check both boxes :-( 18:54 chris ahh, that is kinda confusing 18:55 jdavidb With SMS turned off, only the one transport is showing, which probably doesn't help, either. might convince someone to redraw that table a bit more clearly, or error-check it. 18:56 * jdavidb likes buts that close quick like that, though. 18:56 jdavidb *bugs, even. 18:56 jwagner It still puzzles me that the patron category setup saved it to the table, even without email checked. It just didn't display or apply it. 19:11 chris yeah, silent fails are annoying 19:15 chris_n chris: last evening's array foo fun turns out to be the result of an arrayref of hashrefs 19:15 chris ahhh 19:15 chris_n so not only did the array have to be de-ref'ed, but the hashes also 19:15 chris that makes sense 19:15 chris_n I was missing the hashes 19:15 chris that is why the else worked 19:15 chris_n actually the else only worked in one case.. :-P 19:16 chris_n which is what finally forced me to find the *real* problem 19:16 chris right 19:16 chris_n perl -d was the magic that showed it up 19:17 chris_n if Dumper showed the memory addresses pointed to by the refs, it would have been quicker 19:18 chris_n so if knowledge is power, I got a little more powerful in the realm of Perl for my trouble ;-) 19:20 jwagner Personally I'd prefer less power and less trouble :-( 19:20 jwagner But it's been a bad week overall.... 19:21 * chris_n hands jwagner some chocolates for consolation 19:22 jwagner chris_n, I've already been on a steady chocolate diet since Monday (lots of leftover Halloween candy), so that may be part of the problem. But I appreciate the thought :-) 19:31 chris_n wOOt!!! after many hours it works :-) 19:31 * chris_n considers taking off coding this weekend to celebrate 19:31 chris :) 19:45 * jdavidb notices at the #koha IRC stats page (http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/) that jwagner is chattier than munin, but that he himself is not. 19:45 jwagner @karma jdavidb 19:45 munin jwagner: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 19:45 jwagner @karma jwagner 19:45 munin jwagner: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8. 19:47 jwagner (refraining from further comment....) 19:47 chris heh 19:47 chris @karma 19:47 munin chris: Highest karma: "chris" (69), "owen" (60), and "gmcharlt" (59). Lowest karma: "<!" (-20), "failed" (-20), and "src="<!" (-10). You (chris) are ranked 1 out of 536. 19:49 jdavidb @karma 19:49 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "chris" (69), "owen" (60), and "gmcharlt" (59). Lowest karma: "<!" (-20), "failed" (-20), and "src="<!" (-10). You (jdavidb) are ranked 32 out of 536. 19:49 jdavidb 32..not bad. 19:51 chris_n @karma 19:51 munin chris_n: Highest karma: "chris" (69), "owen" (60), and "gmcharlt" (59). Lowest karma: "<!" (-20), "failed" (-20), and "src="<!" (-10). You (chris_n) are ranked 13 out of 536. 19:52 rhcl @seen wizzyrea 19:52 munin rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 33 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> yea pretty much 19:53 wizzyrea yo rhcl 19:53 wizzyrea sup 19:54 rhcl Hey...our people are playing with koha, and they've talked about how with workflows they can be logged in on one instance as techserv and on a separate instance of workflows as circ, for example... 19:54 rhcl I'm thinking you can't do that in a web browser, short of starting another browser in another profile or using a different browser altoghether. Si or no? 19:55 wizzyrea um... 19:55 wizzyrea well 19:55 chris thats right 19:55 wizzyrea why would you need to do that? 19:55 wizzyrea I"m just thinking about how koha is structured 19:55 wizzyrea this may be a nonissue 19:55 rhcl Well, I donno, but I do know that June does it all the time in Workflows. 19:55 wizzyrea what I would do 19:55 wizzyrea this is one person, right? 19:55 rhcl yes 19:56 jwagner rchl, I've needed to do that a few times in testing feature development on granular permissions. In that case, I use IE to log in as one user, and Firefox to log in as the other. 19:56 wizzyrea she would have a techsvcs acct correct? 19:56 wizzyrea so 19:56 jwagner Otherwise, I'm not sure it would come up in real-life use. 19:56 rhcl june has the keys to the kingdom 19:56 wizzyrea I would suggest she keep one window open with circ front and center 19:56 wizzyrea and another window open with cataloging front and center 19:56 wizzyrea her login as techsvcs would allow both 19:56 wizzyrea no reason to have two logins 19:56 chris (if you set its permissions to that) 19:56 wizzyrea just use two windowss 19:56 wizzyrea right 19:57 wizzyrea give her perms for both tasks, and use two windows with the same login 19:57 rhcl OK, tnx 19:57 wizzyrea unless there's something about the situation that I'm not understanding 19:57 wizzyrea but I think that the firewall between the two functions in sirsi is a nonissue for koha 19:58 rhcl I just know that she does some things as "admin" in one WF, then other things <near>simultaneously in another WF as "techserv" 19:58 wizzyrea ah 19:58 chris i think in koha you make her a real user 19:58 wizzyrea then yea, just use two windows 19:58 chris and give that user the appropriate permissions 19:58 wizzyrea <- hasn't used sirsi in a long time 19:58 chris instead of having 'roles' 19:59 wizzyrea right, especially if she's a low flight risk employee 19:59 jwagner The main thing I can think of in Unicorn would be report ownership -- if she normally logs in as TS, but needs to see other users' reports, she'd have to log in as Admin. 19:59 wizzyrea NEKLS actually does role based users, circ, tech, and director 19:59 chris_n owen++ # for a very cool units changing jquery script 19:59 chris depends on how fine you want your audit trail 20:00 wizzyrea yea 20:00 chris if you want to know exactly who it was that issued the book that you had told them not to issue 8 times already 20:00 wizzyrea I brought that up to our team, they said "eh, who cares" 20:00 chris that having individual users is handy 20:00 wizzyrea yepper 20:00 rhcl yes, I think that's what we do. But I remember seeing Dianna@Atchison logging in and out as different roles when she needed to show us different things. 20:00 chris lots of nz libraries have volunteer staff 20:00 wizzyrea well that's because the circ role doesn't have reports rights 20:01 chris its good to be able to have individual logins for them 20:01 wizzyrea or cataloging 20:01 wizzyrea but you could set june as a user with both roles 20:01 wizzyrea and blammo 20:01 wizzyrea all done 20:01 wizzyrea and that stuff is all pretty granular 20:01 wizzyrea and getting more so 20:02 chris yep 20:02 chris its starting to get really nice 20:02 wizzyrea rhcl that's just the way NEKLS does it, you can do it <sings> your way </sings> 20:02 * wizzyrea whips out the top hat and cane 20:03 chris id pay money to see that 20:03 wizzyrea O.o 20:03 * wizzyrea ponders a new career 20:03 chris heh 20:03 rhcl Burger King? 20:03 wizzyrea *sob* 20:03 wizzyrea harsh, rhcl, harsh 20:03 wizzyrea ;) 20:04 chris there is a burlesque house in wellington *grin* 20:07 jdavidb I'm with chris. Seeing wizzyrea doing a song and dance would be a treat. ;-) 20:30 chris_n any jquery gurus out there? 21:03 ftherese hello... trying to install the git version of koha 21:03 chris_n once again luck and fortune win out over skill and knowledge 21:03 ftherese I get to the part about the sax_parser 21:03 ftherese it says that if I'm using PurePerl or Expat, you'll need to edit your 21:03 ftherese ini file, typically located at 21:04 ftherese /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini 21:04 ftherese problem is, I don't know what to do to this file 21:07 pastebot "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "/etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini" (7 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/49 21:07 chris_n ftherese: mine looks like that ^^ 21:07 ftherese ok 21:08 ftherese that seems to have fixed whether it uses sax or not 21:08 ftherese but now the hash between what koha is expecting is different from the hash I have 21:09 ftherese my SAX::Parser=HASH(0x81fe220) 21:09 ftherese sorry KOHA WANTS = SAX:: Parser=HASH(0x81fe220) 21:09 ftherese My hash SAX:: Parser=HASH(0x8881a58) 21:10 ftherese says it looks good 21:10 ftherese but maybe it is a different version or something 21:51 ftherese is there an easy fix for DBD::SQLite2 failing on ak-dbd.t 21:52 pianohackr|work ftherese: not one that I know of offhand, but unless you'll be using offline circ, you shouldn't have to worry about that 21:52 ftherese offline in what sense? 21:52 ftherese because we just might need that 21:53 wizzyrea there's a client for creating circulation files for when you cannot connect to your koha installation 21:53 pianohackr|work right 21:53 wizzyrea http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha-tools/koha-offline-circulation/ 21:53 pianohackr|work you can checkout and checkin books and items, and then upload the changes once your installation is back online 21:53 pianohackr|work it needs a nightly-updated database of patrons and items, tho 21:53 pianohackr|work which is where DBD::SQLite2 comes in 21:54 wizzyrea fwiw, it's almost as easy to just keep track of your items in a spreadsheet and do them manually when the system comes up 21:54 ftherese so it is really that hard to fix? 21:55 ftherese well.. if no one else is using it, I can't imagine it is too important 21:55 wizzyrea I think it's safe to say that you can get by without it 21:55 pianohackr|work ftherese: we've never used offline circ here (was much more needed with our old evil hosted sirsi install) 21:55 wizzyrea of course, if you're like me you're like, "I can't go on! There's an error!!" :) 21:56 wizzyrea woe! 21:56 ftherese wizzyrea: yeah... I have that tendancy 21:56 ftherese what about dom vs grs1... I had some problems with zebra in my last install - had selected dom, which I would prefer if possible 21:57 ftherese what kind of legacy are we talking about here? 21:57 wizzyrea when we've needed it, we've used spreadsheets to track patrons/items, just use the scanner to scan barcodes into the spreadsheet, then have someone go back when the system is up and enter the data 21:58 ftherese grs1 is for legacy support, I don't think I need that, but just want to make sure that it is not perhaps part of my problem 22:37 ftherese I get this IMPORTANT notice with bulkmarcimport.pl 22:37 ftherese don't use this script before you've entered and checked your MARC 22:37 ftherese parameters tables twice (or more!). 22:37 ftherese any suggestions as to how I should do this? 22:39 ftherese grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 22:39 ftherese the installer doesn't show up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 22:39 ftherese this is very anoying!!!!!! 22:39 ftherese I logged in, but /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl is a blanc page!!!! 22:39 pianohackr|work oh my 22:39 pianohackr|work have you checked your error log? 22:40 ftherese oh 22:40 ftherese sorry... 22:40 ftherese I had to reload the page 22:40 ftherese I think it had my previous installation in cache 22:40 wizzyrea ^.^ 22:40 ftherese but now I can't install in french... 22:40 wizzyrea :( 22:41 ftherese how do I install in french? I got from the git repo 22:41 ftherese only en is available 22:42 pianohackr|work ftherese: (in your koha directory, with a command prompt) 22:42 pianohackr|work cd misc/translator/ 22:43 pianohackr|work ./install-code.pl fr-FR 22:43 wizzyrea pianohackr|work it's a good thing you're here 22:44 wizzyrea hey ph, where is that documented? 22:44 pianohackr|work sure, you say that now 22:44 wizzyrea b/c it should be 22:44 pianohackr|work hmm. I learned it from chris, I don't think it's documented 22:44 wizzyrea I always think it's good when you're around 22:44 wizzyrea well that's bad. 22:45 wizzyrea should we put it on the wiki somewhere? 22:45 pianohackr|work wizzyrea: I think it's mainly only needed if you install from git, but yeah, it should be on the wiki 22:45 wizzyrea "so you decided to install from git, you might need to do this" 22:45 pianohackr|work wizzyrea: (plastic cheesecake attack!) 22:45 wizzyrea AIEE!! 22:45 * wizzyrea ducks 22:45 * wizzyrea goes for the plastic cocktails 22:45 pianohackr|work wizzyrea: there's a guide for getting started with git, that would be a good place for it 22:45 pianohackr|work hehe 22:45 pianohackr|work tho that was mainly joetho's fault 22:46 wizzyrea yes, yes it was 22:46 ftherese lets see if that works 22:46 wizzyrea I did somehow end up with said plastic cheesecake 22:46 pianohackr|work that poor, traumatized waitress 22:46 pianohackr|work yes, you did! you sat on the _wrong_ end of the table 22:46 ftherese it is copying a zillion things 22:46 pianohackr|work yup, that's normal 22:46 wizzyrea oh I know between nahuel wanting a bluedy steak 22:46 wizzyrea and joetho and the plastic cheesecake 22:47 wizzyrea and owen on impending baby watch 22:47 wizzyrea chris too for that matter. 22:47 pianohackr|work yeah, seriously 22:52 ftherese ok... the web-installer still only shows en... 22:53 ftherese do I need to rebuild something pianohackr|work 22:54 pianohackr|work ftherese: what kind of install did you do? dev, simple or single? 22:55 pianohackr|work standard, single or dev? rather 22:55 ftherese standard 22:56 ftherese oh 22:56 ftherese do I need to remake it? 22:56 ftherese after the language thing? 22:56 pianohackr|work Yes 22:56 ftherese ok 22:56 wizzyrea ph, I have an additional dumb question for you 22:56 ftherese hey! 22:56 pianohackr|work wizzyrea: no such thing as a dumb question :) 22:56 ftherese lol 22:57 pianohackr|work that is my mantra 22:57 pianohackr|work only thing that's kept me and my coworkers alive and sane 22:57 wizzyrea if I wanted to add a template variable for 952$z (I always have dumb questions) in catalogue/detail.pl, I've never defined those and I don't think it's there already 22:57 wizzyrea how? 22:57 wizzyrea we wanna show the note on the bib detail page 22:58 wizzyrea (perhaps supplanting the copy number column) 22:58 wizzyrea (mostly I just want to see if it can be done) 22:58 wizzyrea at 4:57 on a friday, no less 22:58 pianohackr|work wizzyrea: it depends how the item information is being fetched 22:59 ftherese it is Skiping all the files in make 22:59 pianohackr|work basically, you just find what call the script uses, then make sure that that call retrieves that specific field from the database 22:59 ftherese even the ones wit the fr-FR directory 22:59 pianohackr|work hrm 22:59 pianohackr|work you can do it manually 22:59 ftherese that is fine 23:00 ftherese where do I put the stuff 23:00 pianohackr|work cp -r koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/fr-FR /usr/share/koha/.../prog/ 23:00 pianohackr|work basically, there should be a prog dir where the english templates were installed 23:00 pianohackr|work just copy the fr-FR directories for intranet and OPAC to the right places 23:01 ftherese ok 23:01 wizzyrea you wanna put them right next to the en folder 23:01 pianohackr|work yup 23:01 pianohackr|work ftherese: are you going to be updating this install using git? 23:01 pianohackr|work if so, it would be easier to do a dev install 23:01 wizzyrea bah, I may revisit this next week... thanks for expending some brain cycles on it for me ph 23:01 ftherese pianohackr|work: I just want to see if it will work 23:01 pianohackr|work wizzyrea: np 23:01 pianohackr|work ftherese: right :) 23:01 ftherese I still haven't been able to successfully import my data 23:02 pianohackr|work ahh, I've wanted to send an email; one quick thing you might try is adding the -r flag to rebuild_zebra 23:02 ftherese ok 23:06 ftherese hmmm installer still comes up with only en as option, but everything is in french... 23:06 ftherese crap... and I hit next and it went back to english 23:06 pianohackr|work ftherese: ahh, it sounds like you might have copied the french data into the english folder 23:06 ftherese I didn't do any copying 23:06 ftherese I let the installation progie take care of it 23:07 ftherese when I redid make install I saw it copy those things 23:07 pianohackr|work what does ls /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog show? 23:07 pianohackr|work (I think that's the right directory for a standard install) 23:08 ftherese en fr-FR img 23:09 ftherese I restarted the webserver 23:09 ftherese still have only en as an option 23:11 ftherese pianohackr|work: I don't know perl works, but I am looking at the install.pl 23:11 pianohackr|work I'm taking a look at getTranslatedLanguages, which this depends on 23:12 ftherese use C4::Languages qw(getAllLanguages getTranslatedLanguages); 23:12 pianohackr|work I admit that I've only done English installs before and am doing this a bit seat-of-the-pants 23:12 pianohackr|work You might want to ask the list for help; one of the bibLibre or other folk that deal with translations might be more helpful 23:12 ftherese where is getTranslatedLanguages 23:12 pianohackr|work C4/Languages.pm 23:13 ftherese and where is that? 23:13 pianohackr|work koha source directory 23:14 pianohackr|work ftherese: chris, hdl, ricardo and paul_p are all more involved with translation work than I 23:14 ftherese hmmm 23:15 ftherese I am going to try make clean 23:15 ftherese and then remake 23:15 pianohackr|work *shrug* it's worth a shot 23:24 ftherese pianohackr|work: there are a couple other scripts in misc translator... do you think I need to run any of them? 23:25 pianohackr|work install-code should take care of the whole process (to my knowledge) 23:25 ftherese ok 23:25 ftherese but if it doesn't ;) 23:39 ftherese still can't choose French after uninstalling and reinstalling 23:39 ftherese I think I have to give up for this evening 23:54 pianohackr|work good night to you too then :)