Time Nick Message 23:07 ricardo hdl: Are you still there? 22:21 ricardo :) 22:20 chris hehe 22:19 ricardo hdl: And congrats to you too! :) After being a Release Manager / Release Maintainer (which I'll bet is a *HUGE* task), I was expecting that one would say to someone else that volunteers as a RM not "congrats" but "my condolences" ;-) 22:18 chris thanks hdl 22:17 ricardo chris: Someone, yes 22:17 hdl chris: congrats. 22:17 chris someone has too 22:17 chris ive done it twice before :) 22:16 ricardo chris: That's a very courageous move... I have to admit I'm NOT that brave! 22:10 * chris updates the roles for 3.4 page, just got sign off my from employer to stand for release manager 21:41 ricardo chris: OK, no problem. Thanks anyway 21:41 chris not sure actually ricardo 21:32 ricardo chris: Do you know if I should check somefile besides "Makefile.PL" for this installation issue(s) ? 21:30 ricardo chris: Nice. Thanks for the info 21:29 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:roles3.4 21:29 ricardo :) 21:29 chris hehe 21:29 ricardo chris: Yeah... So, I guess that misunderstanding may also be the start of some beautiful friendships ;-) 21:25 ricardo chris: LOL 21:25 chris "I was just buying something at the shop and i said i only have a $20 and the guy said sweet ass, new zealanders are very free with the compliments eh?" 21:24 ricardo chris: ROTFL! 21:24 chris who was quite flattered so many guys were telling her she had beautiful anatomy ;-) 21:24 ricardo chris: Eheh... I can imagine the situation 21:24 ricardo brendan: LOL! 21:24 chris hehe yes, i had a friend from canada visiting here 21:24 brendan :) 21:23 brendan sweet 21:23 ricardo chris: I bet that you have to be careful with that expression, if you go outside of NZ (but to other English speaking nation) and say that expression near a girl. She may think that you said something slightly different! ;-) 21:22 ricardo Right, eheh 21:22 chris yeah 21:22 chris i think its an nz one 21:22 ricardo " Second most common phrase in New Zealand after "awesome". " 21:22 ricardo Didn't know that one! :) 21:22 ricardo http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sweet%20as 21:22 chris sweet as 21:21 ricardo chris: Yes, I'll try to test it tomorrow (I'm back at home, and I don't have access to the server and, unfortunately, I forgot to check the Koha error logs before returning home. Again, I'll do that tomorrow, if I find the time - have a meeting scheduled for mid-morning) 21:20 chris could well be 21:20 ricardo chris: I'll test it, nevertheless. Maybe, there's some small bug in "Makefile.PL" for upgrades. 21:20 chris *nod* maybe you could do a post to the mailing list? 21:19 ricardo chris: Right... I'm confident that it will and I thank you for the tip. But I'm concerned that other users may also be affected by this (maybe also for other translations) and they probably wouldn't know the workaround of deleting the "xx-YY" directory and run "install-code.pl" 21:18 chris see if that fixes it 21:18 chris then run install-code.pl pt-PT again, and copy the files 21:18 ricardo chris: I catched the 2nd one, for sure... I'm not sure that I installed the 3rd one (I think I didn't) 21:18 chris i think the best bet is to run the upgrade 21:18 chris did you catch the latest fixed release? 21:17 ricardo chris: I'm having an issue, regarding an upgrade of a previous 3.0.3 install (NOT a git install) to 3.0.4 (using the "perl Makefile.PL --prev-install /path/to/koha-install.log"). In OPAC, I'm not getting the updated translation and in the Intranet, I'm getting a strange "look" (like I got some time ago, where the "pt-PT" directory was missing some folders) 21:17 ricardo chris: You're welcome :) 21:17 chris thank you 21:15 ricardo (It's obvious this was and is a very difficult task and I think both are dealing with it very well) 21:13 ricardo First things first: my thanks and congratulations to Henri (hdl) for releasing Koha 3.0.4 and to Chris (chris) for managing the translation process. 21:13 ricardo chris: Hi! :) 21:13 chris hi ricardo 21:12 ricardo Hi everyone! 20:16 chris he's been asking for it for ages ... and we have no idea where he got the idea from 20:16 brendan ha 20:16 chris hehe, kahurangi turns 3 next month, i have to make a lion cake 20:16 brendan the last pictures I saw looked excellent 20:15 brendan I want to see some more fancy pancakes for your kids -- chris 20:15 brendan enjoy 20:15 brendan ah nice 20:15 chris labour day on monday 20:14 brendan oh long weekend 20:14 richard yeah 20:13 chris gotta love friday before a long weekend :) 20:10 richard lol 20:10 chris they have leaked LEK? :-) 20:09 richard friday link - http://wikileaks.org/ 19:52 * chris isnt quite sure why slef is trying to pick a fight, i think ill just ignore it 19:45 chris heya hdl, was just gonna check you still dont have access to download.koha.org but i did my blog post anyway 19:43 hdl chris hi 19:41 richard hi chris 19:41 chris hiya richard 19:41 richard hi 19:41 chris back 19:11 sekjal brendan: oh, yuck 19:11 brendan I don't think I'll have a chance to meet up with nicomo tonight 19:11 brendan man plane delayed 4 fours 19:09 hdl chris hi 19:04 * chris goes to catch his bus 19:01 * chris does a blog post pointing to the fixed tarball on koha-fr 18:54 chris hdl: you around? 18:54 * chris pops in quickly before catching his bus 18:01 snkahn getting the error 'patron does not exist' when I try to add staff patrons 18:00 snkahn Hi, trying to configure a brand new install of 3.004 16:30 schuster wizzyrea about? 14:38 slef schuster: once we are sure our bug is general, we submit it to bugs.koha.org 14:31 schuster I want the form to ask for their email address in case they want to contact the sender of the cart. 14:31 schuster http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3377 14:31 schuster Anybody else have this problem? When people send a cart it defaults to the default email as a return. I created a "bug" request for this: 14:30 schuster hmmm drat. 14:30 schuster Owen here? 14:28 schuster hmmm I found 3340 and 3312 to be the same? 3340 has more detail so any reason to not close 3312? and reference 3340? 14:25 schuster hee hee... 14:25 schuster That's one of the reasons we joined Koha was for the community of programmers! 14:25 schuster Yep... I'd love a team of free programmers personally not more me's I have enough ideas just need implementers! 14:22 jwagner What we all need are more hours in the day, or clones to do all the work we can't get to :-( 14:21 schuster OK great. I have a couple that I have "sponsored" that I need to make sure get up there as well. 14:19 jwagner schuster, your question about putting things on bugzilla, I've been trying to put our development stuff up there so people would see it & know we were working on it. There are still several of our items that aren't on the site, some because we're still figuring out what we want to do, and others because I just haven't had the time. But the goal is to make an entry for all our development items. 14:18 schuster Guess that's why I created the bug! 14:18 schuster poo... 14:18 jwagner Yeah, that's a general Koha thing that needs work. Not just a LL site thing :-( 14:18 schuster things/thinks 14:18 schuster When you run SQL's then the system things the borrower still has this outstanding credit. 14:17 schuster Yes but there isn't a drop down to say waive, pay etc... so you have to create a manual invoice to clear the record after you give the person money back. 14:17 jwagner Sorry, in the sense that the original charge is taken off the account. But it doesn't seem to know or care that it was paid in the meantime. 14:17 jwagner schuster, yes, I've seen that problem. If the patron had paid the replacement cost in the meantime, then returned the book, there's a "credit" in the sense. 14:16 schuster If it was paid already and then a credit is created I don't have a way to indicate I gave them the money back. 14:16 schuster jwagner - yes that is what I am talking about. 14:16 schuster Question to all you developer types... the items that people are working on did you get them into bugs.koha.org so others know you are working on them? 14:15 jwagner schuster, are you talking about the replacement cost of the item, that was charged & then taken off if the item is returned? 14:15 brendan good morning schuster 14:14 schuster Hey Brendan! 14:09 schuster That credit you can't do anything with... Maybe this is a LL issue that community doesn't have? 14:08 schuster When an item is lost and returned it creates a credit on the account 14:06 hdl but not on production 14:05 hdl not me 14:00 schuster Has anyone else experienced this problem as I noted in the bug?http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3607 13:31 |Lupin| c u 13:31 |Lupin| ok, bbl 13:30 reiko the 75mb file ? 13:30 schuster can you share it with me? 13:29 reiko that may be the problem 13:28 reiko and no, i didnt make sure my marc data is good :| 13:28 reiko about 75mb 13:28 schuster reiko - have you made sure your MARC data is good? using MarcEdit or some other marc tool? How big is your file? or do you just have a sample to work with? 13:25 Nate morning Koha 13:19 reiko which is the main thing im trying to achieve right now 13:19 reiko but i cant migrate my 2.2.8 database to work with 3.0 13:19 reiko but now i have zebra running and the db accessible 13:19 reiko zebra had some problems with that but i fixed it 13:18 reiko nah 13:18 reiko my problem is that when zebra tries to index over my exported records, h says [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in 13:18 |Lupin| reiko: perhaps an authenticationissue... ? 13:18 reiko (bib1,Local-number) 13:18 reiko [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in 13:17 Ropuch Hm 13:16 reiko but my opac-search never worked yet 13:16 reiko i have a simillar problem 13:16 |Lupin| hey reiko 13:15 |Lupin| could somebody help with that, pls ? 13:15 |Lupin| zebrasrv is running 13:15 |Lupin| after having rebooted the system the opac-search does not work anylonger 13:15 |Lupin| I'm encountering problems with opac... 13:15 |Lupin| hi jdavidb :) 13:15 reiko hello! 13:15 |Lupin| hello again Ropuch 13:14 Ropuch Hello |Lupin| 13:14 jdavidb Hi |Lupin| ! 13:13 |Lupin| hi again 13:08 Ropuch s/spent/spend 13:08 Ropuch Bah, I haven't finished unpacking the 6k books we've been given last month and now i have to spent 50k euro till end of the year 12:59 kf poor munin 12:51 hdl lost in outerspace 12:51 kf hm where is munin? hope he is well :) 12:36 slef must read scrollback before typing ;-) 12:36 slef hrm, still no munin 12:33 slef @later nengard "The server at opensource.web2learning.net is taking too long to respond" 12:19 slef thanks hdl_away 12:19 Ropuch I don't think this is a problem - thanks, hdl_away [; 12:12 hdl_away But I had to release on koha-fr.org since I cannot upload any longer to download.koha.org 12:11 hdl_away Sorry english ppl, 12:11 hdl_away I realized that. 12:11 jdavidb hdl_away: There's no munin around to do your bidding. 12:08 hdl_away @later tell chris fixed 3.0.4 release available on http://koha-fr.org/content/diffusion-koha-version-304 12:08 hdl_away fixed 3.0.4 release available on http://koha-fr.org/content/diffusion-koha-version-304 12:07 hdl_away hi 12:02 jdavidb Hi, kf. :D 12:02 kf good morning jdavidb 11:41 jdavidb Good morning, #koha. :) 11:09 Ropuch kf: don't know yet 10:34 kf Ropuch: where are you sent to? :) 10:17 Ropuch Yay, I'll be sent to 1-month language course to Germany 10:12 * chris goes to bed 10:12 |Lupin| bye 10:12 |Lupin| rebooting 10:04 reiko but ill try, thank you 10:04 reiko sometimes its hard to catch an error during the procedure 10:03 mason if you get stuck, someone will help - we just need the error snippet 10:02 mason have another go ( or 2 ) at the migration, and email the koha-lists with your error output 10:00 mason yeah- an error in an important part of the script, will give you glitchy bibs :/ 09:59 reiko and some of these scripts he tells me to run give some errors 09:58 reiko thank you, but that is the one i've been following all along :\ 09:58 mason http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=22_to_30&s[]=migration 09:58 mason i can only this one ... 09:56 reiko do you recommend any documents i could read ? 09:56 reiko oh, ok. 09:56 mason and ive recently got home from work, and its 11pm! :) 09:55 mason and i dont have a working setup to step-thru the process again 09:54 reiko hmm 09:54 mason well, its been a year since ive done a koha 2.2 -> 3.0 :/ 09:53 reiko but maybe they weren't enough 09:53 mason gotcha 09:52 reiko to 'migrate' 09:52 reiko i've ran some scripts 09:52 mason heh 09:52 mason aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 09:52 reiko and it may not be correct 09:52 mason no, what you have just imported into your koha using 'bulmkmarcimport.pl' 09:52 reiko i've converted a database from 2.2.8 to 3.0 09:51 reiko you mean in the database ? 09:51 mason garbage in / garbage out etc.. 09:51 mason are your marc-records correct?.... 09:51 mason or your marc records are very small, or incorrect, null data etc..... 09:50 mason [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 09:50 reiko hmm 09:50 mason ok, you have some errors in your zebra config files , i think. 09:49 mason thats a successfull rebuild_zeb.pl ... 09:49 mason http://koha.pastebin.com/m45136a0 09:49 reiko i can see that now :\ 09:49 reiko yeah 09:49 mason thats a FAIL ;) 09:47 reiko 10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] Records: 0 i/u/d 0/0/0 09:47 reiko 10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] Dict: inserts/updates/deletions: 27/0/0 09:47 reiko 10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] Iterations: isam/dict 97/27 09:47 reiko 10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] error grs.marcxml.record /tmp/SjXkJEcBh4/biblio/exported_records 0 09:47 reiko 10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 09:47 reiko 10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] dir /tmp/SjXkJEcBh4/biblio 09:44 reiko 100k .. and beyond 09:44 reiko long exporting, does it mean anything ? 09:44 reiko its still exporting now 09:44 mason yep 09:43 reiko *part 09:43 reiko thats the aprt when the rebuild_Zebra says re-indexing ? 09:43 mason pastebin your zeb-index output 09:42 |Lupin| thanks mason 09:41 reiko the folder zebradb as 9Mb aprox. 09:41 mason dpends on yr install selections ,, 09:41 reiko well, lots of files there 09:41 mason yep, probably.... 09:41 reiko are these the files in var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios ? 09:40 mason check zebra index file sizes, befire and after indexing... 09:40 reiko to do so 09:40 reiko i'm using rebuild_zebra.pl 09:40 reiko i'm not sure how to check that 09:40 mason was yr zebra index successfull? 09:40 reiko and tried to find and got no results 09:39 reiko i connected to zebra to biblios 09:39 reiko i did 09:39 mason rekio , use yaz-client to debug, first 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [session] Connection closed by client 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [request] Search biblios OK 0 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @or @or @or @or @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=32 @attr 2=102 a @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=28 @attr 2=102 a @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 a @attr 4=6 @attr 5=103 @attr 9=16 @attr 2=102 a @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 "a " @attr 4=6 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 a 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01\x0D)((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83)) 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01\x0D)((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83).*) 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01\x0D)((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83)) 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01')((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83)) 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01))((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83)) 09:38 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01%)((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83)) 09:38 mason yoda me talks... 09:38 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [request] Init OK - ID:81 Name:ZOOM-C/YAZ Version:3.0.44 d1c53252793e37efda0b7432b18a7c79b9810d86 09:38 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [request] Auth idPass biblio - 09:38 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [session] Session - OK 1 unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket 16259 09:38 mason in koha3 , yes i think, lupin 09:38 reiko chris yes is running, the logs says: 09:37 |Lupin| for freshly bulkmarcimported records, is it enough to remove them from the biblios and biblioitems tables to delete them from Koha completely, pls ? 09:37 chris is there anything the log when you do a search? 09:36 chris and zebrasrv is definitely running? 09:33 reiko i've been here last tuesday and chris_n helped me getting rid of the 109 error zebra was giving me. rebuild_zebra.pl filled the var/lib/zebradb directories but neither zebra or manual scan on yaz-client return records, its like the database is empy :\ 09:30 reiko can i ask a question ?~ 09:30 reiko ah, okay 09:29 chris im chris cormack 09:29 chris thats ok :) chris_n is chris nighswonger 09:29 reiko sorry 09:29 reiko ahh 09:28 chris no 09:28 reiko chris_n , are you and chris the same ? 09:21 reiko hi again chris 08:53 |Lupin| chris: oodoki, thanks 08:52 chris hmm dont really have an opinion 08:50 |Lupin| chris: just wondering what you think about the previously mentionned question... 08:47 chris yep 08:31 |Lupin| chris: ? 08:29 Ropuch Hi 08:18 reiko hi! 08:05 kf hi chris and |Lupin| 08:04 |Lupin| guten tag kf 08:04 |Lupin| chris: so I was wondering whether those formats that are generated dynamically should be catalogued or if the list shold be computed dynamically when needed, and I was suggested to do that in the xslt... 08:03 chris hiya kf 08:03 |Lupin| chris: I'm interested in that because in our digital library we have two types of file formats: those which are stored on the file server and those which are automatically produced on-demand. 08:01 kf good morning #koha 07:58 chris no problem 07:57 |Lupin| chris: thanks ! 07:56 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=tree;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt 07:56 |Lupin| chris: great ! which file is it, please ? 07:55 chris there is a unimarc XSLT file now 07:55 chris not in master 07:54 |Lupin| is it still true that XSLT customizatons of OPAC work for MARC21 only ? 07:48 |Lupin| chris: thanks a lot 07:48 chris should be back to normal now 07:48 |Lupin| chris: ah I tried to restore that to normal but it didn't really work 07:47 chris ok you were set to nomail 07:47 chris the logs 07:47 |Lupin| in the bot or in the logs ? 07:46 chris just it ends up in the bot :) 07:46 chris ahh thats ok 07:46 |Lupin| chris: oops, sorry 07:45 |Lupin| chris: subscripton address was Sebastien.Hinderer@snv.jussieu.fr 07:45 chris message me the email address you think you are subscribe with and i will check 07:45 |Lupin| chris: I think I should be subscribed to it but didn't get anymessage from it for... a very long time. 07:45 chris whats the problem? 07:45 |Lupin| chris: this is preisely the one with which I have a problem 07:44 |Lupin| ok 07:44 chris the main koha users list 07:44 chris koha@lists.katipo.co.nz 07:43 |Lupin| chris: which one is that ? 07:43 |Lupin| chris: the mainlist ? 07:34 chris on the main list yes, not on the @lists.koha.org ones tho 07:34 |Lupin| chris: btw, I'm looking for someone with list master priviledge on koha lists... do you by chnce have these priviledges ? 07:32 thd yes I will 07:32 chris yep, you could send a mail to the lists 07:32 thd we need a reminder to people 07:31 chris still a few days to go 07:31 thd chris: we also have fewer votes in the foundation poll than last time 07:31 chris its not the formatting that stops me :) 07:30 thd chris: the lightweight markup languages like AsciiDoc were written for programmers who would never write any documentation if they had to bother about the formatting excessively. 07:29 chris yep, altho i think she overestimates how much other people will contribute, people always mean too, but not many often do follow through 07:28 thd chris: she did reply that she wanted others to be able to contribute, so she has the right principle in mind for a community effort 07:28 chris yep 07:27 thd chris: Well I told nengard it should really be a personal choice as she would be doing the work. 07:25 chris there are tons of perl modules that work with docbook, but like i say, i dont actually care 07:24 thd I know that he had some custom Perl scripts 07:24 thd chris: He also used something else 07:24 chris mainly cos you can go from docbook to anything 07:23 chris docbook 07:23 thd chris: what was shedges using for kohadocs? 07:23 chris i suspect ppl will give nicole docs in random formats and she will convert them to something useful, thats what stephen hedges used to dp 07:22 chris so i dont really have an opinion 07:22 chris but i dont plan to edit the docs 07:22 thd DocBook is a good path to LaTeX for fine tuning 07:22 |Lupin| thd: I'd have said the same about docbook...personnally I find docbook much worse than LaTeX, but I guess that's more a matter of tastes... 07:21 thd I actually have used LaTeX but LaTeX can inhibit other contributors 07:21 chris i dont mind docbook, but then i just edit it with a text editor 07:21 * |Lupin| finds docbook really cumbersome... 07:21 thd exactly that is what I told nengard 07:20 chris and it can be easily converted 07:20 chris i really dont mind what its done in as long as nicole is happy 07:20 thd |Lupin| yes 07:20 |Lupin| latex++ 07:20 |Lupin| thd: are you asking because of Koha's manual and the possibility to have it done in AsciiDoc which was discussed on Koha-devel ? 07:20 chris latex 07:20 thd chris: what does Catalyst use for documentation? 07:19 chris nope 07:18 thd chris: has anyone at Catalyst used AsciiDoc? 07:18 chris yep 07:18 thd chris: are you there? 07:14 paul_p hello |Lupin| 07:14 |Lupin| hello paul_p ! 06:54 |Lupin| hello Ropuch 06:50 Ropuch Hi |Lupin| 06:43 |Lupin| hello all 06:36 brendan night 06:13 Ropuch Hi brendan, mason 06:12 mason im feeling lucky.. 06:11 brendan good luck Mason 06:11 brendan hi Ropuch 06:11 Ropuch Morning, #koha 05:54 mason i think i can sort out a debian-ish MAMP enviroment on my mac 05:53 mason both macports, and fink package versions look to be quite current 05:52 mason but i think im up for the challenge again 05:51 mason i had a go 1.5 years ago, when i was new to osx, and gave up 05:51 mason im planning to have a go at setting up a osx-10.4 koha3 for my next 'fun' project.. 04:40 chris_n2 off to sleep for real this time 04:39 chris_n2 ok, the guy who manages the Strawberry perl project is going to have a go at installing Koha on strawberry to see if he can figure how to fix the makefile 04:12 chris_n2 its way too late... off to sleep... 04:03 chris_n2 any reason we don't use Module::Build for our installer? 03:48 chris_n2 a response file is the solution, but dmake does not seem to support this 03:47 chris_n2 known possible problem with dmake: "Linux-dmd doesn't seem to support a response file, so currently all filenames are passed to dmd on the command line. So there is a practical limit to the number of files in the application depending on their accumulated path lengths (maybe 100-200 files). But before someone gets near that limit, the problem will have been solved." 03:45 chris ah ha 03:44 chris_n2 quote: "For MS-DOS, OS/2 & Win95 there is a rather severe restriction on the length of a shell line with the result that the shell line is often too short for many compilers and far too short for linkers and librarians." 03:42 chris_n2 :-/ even 03:41 chris_n2 which resides next to my TI-BUG Monitor (aka machine code) knowledge :-? 03:41 chris heh 03:41 chris_n2 it is back there very near his cpm knowledge 03:40 * chris_n2 tries to dust off his very ancient ms-dos knowledge 03:40 chris yeah 03:40 chris_n2 I don't think it works that way in dos 03:40 chris_n2 in *nix you just add a '\' to the end of each line and keep going 03:39 chris yeah we need to fix that 03:39 chris_n2 well, we'll see what the win32 gurus say 03:39 chris ahhhhh 03:39 chris_n2 our line is nearly 500000 chars... ouch 03:33 chris_n2 I have asked over on the perl/#win23 channel 03:33 chris_n2 I'm not sure 03:33 chris_n2 error 255 is what is actually being returned by perl/EU::C 03:32 chris_n2 I found a reference to an error 255 in cygwin which relates to a "The maximum length of this string is 32K characters." limitation of win23 cli "stuff" 03:31 chris i wonder what we can do about that 03:30 chris ahhh 03:30 chris_n2 the same in the class::accessor is <200 03:30 chris_n2 PM_TO_BLIB in koha makefile is >300000 and <3000000 chars 03:30 chris ah 03:30 chris_n2 I think it is choking on line lengths 03:20 chris_n2 actually it can't be... Class::Accessor 's makefile works fine 03:18 chris could be 03:18 chris \r instead of \n 03:17 chris_n2 I wonder if it could be as simple as the difference between unix eol and dos eol 03:15 * chris_n2 delves deeper into the depths of dmake 03:08 drupsta oh i see 03:07 richard nearly home time :) 03:07 chris not much this time of the day 03:05 drupsta Nothing going on here? 02:50 chris hehe 02:50 chris_n2 products also 02:50 chris_n2 maybe I begin to see why M$ has to charge so much for it's produces 02:49 * chris_n2 runs from the room stark raving mad :-| 02:49 chris gah 02:49 chris_n2 furthermore, if we run 'C:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe -MExtUtils::Command -e "mkpath" -- blib\lib' from the cli.... it works of all things! 02:48 chris *nod8 02:48 chris_n2 it must be a very subtle syntax error 02:47 chris_n2 very 02:47 chris that looks like it should work 02:46 chris thats mental 02:46 chris hmm 02:46 chris_n2 so I removed them on a whim 02:46 chris_n2 actually, they were in there and it still borked 02:46 chris vs 02:46 chris -e "mkpath" blib\lib 02:46 chris -- 02:45 chris could it be 02:45 chris ahh 02:45 chris there isnt some hidden weird character or something? 02:45 chris that is weird 02:44 chris_n2 there... am I crazy or what? 02:44 pastebot "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Makefile Woes" (23 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/24 02:42 chris weird 02:42 chris_n2 :-P 02:42 chris_n2 but on the koha makefile it borks on a line that looks identical to one that works in the other makefile 02:41 chris_n2 I ran dmake in verbose mode on another makefile and things work fine 02:41 chris_n2 now it makes even less sense 02:41 chris_n2 yeah 02:41 chris still fighting the makefile? 02:41 chris hehe 02:41 chris_n2 win32-- 02:40 chris_n2 uninformed-comments-- 02:40 chris_n2 chris++ 02:40 chris it would be nice if people would inform themselves before tendering public opinions tho 02:39 chris hehe 02:39 chris_n2 why do I torture myself? 02:39 chris_n2 *groan* 02:39 chris http://www.biblibre.com/content/liblime-koha-biblibre-and-floss#comments 02:39 * chris repsonds to a comment on the biblibre blog 02:14 chris i wondered that too 02:14 chris ahh yeah 02:11 chris John? 02:03 chris_n2 biblibre++ 01:58 * chris_n2 wonders if John is paying attention 01:11 chris :) 01:09 Jo phew - great. thanks :) 01:08 chris and a new foundation is preferred for longterm 01:08 chris so hlt is preferred in rank 1 for shorterm 01:07 chris and then a pie graph for each rank 01:07 chris there are 2 questions 01:07 chris yeah you have it right 01:07 Jo (shocking spelling - sorry I am not usually so illiterate :) 01:07 Jo becuase there appear top be so many pie charts saying contradicting things. 01:06 Jo and not for the long term? 01:06 Jo is this saying that hLT is emerging as the preferred choice for short term. 01:06 Jo who wants to help me understand this page: http://opensource.web2learning.net/limesurvey/statistics_user.php?sid=88794 00:53 chris hehe, he's working on it 00:53 brendan hint hint gmcharlt 00:53 chris *nod* 00:53 brendan would be nice if munin was around 00:53 chris i pinged him on twitter 00:53 brendan I see him tomorrow night 00:53 chris ta 00:53 brendan cool - will do 00:52 chris other than that, its a great writeup 00:51 chris if you see nicomo, i just noticed the links on http://www.biblibre.com/content/liblime-koha-biblibre-and-floss appear to be broken 00:51 brendan just back now 00:51 brendan yes 00:51 chris brendan: you about? 00:51 chris hmm 00:43 Jo oh thanks for that. 00:41 chris http://bywatersolutions.com/wordpress/?p=55 00:41 chris that is worth them reading too 00:41 chris yep it is good, you saw bywater's also? 00:41 Jo (printing it out to give to the trustees .... its a damn fine summary of the current situation) 00:40 Jo well done Biblibre 00:40 Jo what a great post! 00:37 chris "There's a poll that will be open through Sunday (25/10) for all to vote on. We've prepared the paperwork to transfer the assets we have, at no charge whatsoever, to the entity selected by the community to receive them - next week. And we ask LibLime to do the same - next week." 00:37 chris i love this 00:34 chris http://www.biblibre.com/content/liblime-koha-biblibre-and-floss