Time Nick Message
00:07 brendan hey good evening richard chris
00:08 richard hi brendan
00:08 brendan will have to keep my eyes out for John Key
00:08 chris hehe
00:28 chris_n2-away "LibLime and the LibLime logo, Koha and LibLime Enterprise Koha are either registered trademarks or trademarks of LibLime."
00:28 chris_n2-away hrmph
00:28 chris_n2-away I wonder which is which?
00:28 chris where's that?
00:28 chris on the liblime site?
00:28 chris_n2-away http://koha.org/news/liblime-announces-liblime-enterprise-koha
00:29 chris_n2-away near the bottom
00:29 chris_n2-away here's more: "The solution is backed by LibLime technical support and includes access to a new LibLime Customer Website which features: Customer Wish Lists, a Software Roadmap, LibLime-specific Documentation Center and other support information."
00:29 chris yeah, so tell me again, how is this not a fork?
00:30 * chris_n2-away think's a for is good for sticking things... or even people :-\
00:30 chris_n2-away s/for/fork/
00:30 chris we do really need to edit the website, to point a demos that arent demo's of LEK but of real Koha
00:31 mason yeah, good luck with that ;)
00:31 chris i know, changing the development team page to, thats out of date and wrong now
00:31 chris but yeah, not gonna happen
00:38 mason devnull@liblime.com
00:39 pie need a new site/domain name time :(
00:39 pie but that's not the best solution
00:40 chris_n^2 mason: lol :-)
00:53 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: have you tried the patch I sent you about ModBiblioMarc ?
01:02 chris i havent seen gmcharlt today hdl_laptop
01:02 chris @seen gmcharlt
01:02 munin` chris: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 13 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> kf: ok
01:03 * hdl_laptop wondered whether the patch for Bug3640 would be included or not.
01:03 hdl_laptop And I hesitate to put it into 3.0.x since it is quite a serious bug for french ppl.
01:04 chris right
01:14 * chris_n^2 hates it when he forgets and tries to use vim commands in OO writer :-P
01:17 chris heh
02:44 brendan heya #koha
02:44 brendan like the new title for the channel
02:44 brendan new-title++
02:46 chris heh
02:53 chris_n^2 howdy brendan
02:54 brendan hey chris_n^2
02:54 brendan seems you all are always on right when I'm going to bed or just getting home :)
02:54 brendan tonight -- time for bed (EDT time not PST time)
02:54 chris sleep well
02:55 brendan you too chris - enjoy the rest of your day :)
02:55 chris_n^2 brendan: right.... past time for bed EDT
02:55 chris_n^2 g'night
02:55 brendan yupper :)
02:59 chris_n^2 @seen munin
02:59 munin` chris_n^2: I have not seen munin.
03:00 chris_n^2 lol
03:00 chris_n^2 @factoid random
03:00 munin` chris_n^2: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
03:00 chris_n^2 @factoid
03:00 munin` chris_n^2: downloading the Perl source
03:00 chris_n^2 @fact random
03:00 munin` chris_n^2: I've exhausted my database of quotes
03:00 chris_n^2 hmm
03:01 chris wow, up late schuster
03:01 chris @quote random
03:01 munin` chris: Quote #28: "<owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say." (added by jdavidb at 01:14 PM, September 01, 2009)
03:01 schuster It's only 10 pm...
03:01 schuster folding laundry so I thought I'd see what's going on in Koha land
03:01 chris :) not too much
03:03 chris_n^2 I thought munin remembered some facts...?
03:04 chris i think it can
03:04 chris munin: what is fish?
03:04 chris @help factoid
03:04 munin` chris: Error: There is no command "factoid".
03:04 chris @help
03:04 munin` chris: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
03:04 chris @help fact
03:04 munin` chris: Error: There is no command "fact".
03:06 chris_n^2 "Munin" means "memory".
03:06 chris_n^2 interesting
03:07 chris @help plugins
03:07 munin` chris: Error: There is no command "plugins".
03:07 chris i wish there was one to show you a list of the plugins it had running
03:09 chris_n^2 google cant seem to find a list of munin plugins
03:09 chris well munin is just its nick
03:09 chris its a supybot
03:09 chris_n^2 ahh
03:09 chris http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/commands.html
03:10 chris @help factoids
03:10 munin` chris: Error: There is no command "factoids".
03:10 chris @info fish
03:10 munin` chris: Error: No factoid matches that key.
03:10 chris @random
03:10 munin` chris: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict, Factoids, and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
03:10 chris @info random
03:10 munin` chris: Error: No factoid matches that key.
03:10 chris @factoids random
03:10 munin` chris: "slef": MJ Ray, webmaster-developer for TTLLP software.coop; "light-speed": 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs per fortnight; "koha": http://www.koha.org/
03:10 chris there we go
03:11 chris_n^2 hmmm, the list could get rather long
03:11 chris @whatis koha
03:11 munin` chris: "koha" could be http://www.koha.org/
03:11 chris_n^2 @help factoids
03:11 munin` chris_n^2: Error: There is no command "factoids".
03:11 chris http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/plugins/Factoids.html#factoids
03:11 chris @whatis munin
03:11 munin` chris: Error: No factoid matches that key.
03:12 chris_n^2 @list factoids
03:12 munin` chris_n^2: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis
03:12 chris @learn munin supybot http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/commands.html
03:12 munin` chris: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
03:12 chris @learn munin as supybot http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/commands.html
03:12 munin` chris: The operation succeeded.
03:12 chris @whatis munin
03:12 munin` chris: "munin" could be supybot http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/commands.html
03:13 chris_n^2 @factoid learn open-source means open-source
03:13 munin` chris_n^2: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:13 chris_n^2 @learn open-source means open-source
03:13 munin` chris_n^2: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
03:13 chris_n^2 @learn open-source as open-source
03:13 munin` chris_n^2: The operation succeeded.
03:13 chris_n^2 @whatis open-source
03:13 munin` chris_n^2: "open-source" could be open-source
03:14 chris_n^2 no, no "should be"
03:14 chris hehe
03:14 chris_n^2 "must be"
03:14 schuster munin-node
03:14 schuster You two are having too much fun... looks like artificial intelligence on a newborn.
03:14 chris @list
03:14 munin` chris: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
03:15 chris_n^2 @random
03:15 munin` chris_n^2: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict, Factoids, and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
03:15 chris_n^2 @random factoids
03:15 munin` chris_n^2: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict, Factoids, and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
03:15 chris_n^2 @factoids random
03:15 munin` chris_n^2: "light-speed": 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs per fortnight; "munin": supybot http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/commands.html; "slef": MJ Ray, webmaster-developer for TTLLP software.coop
03:15 chris @help herald
03:15 munin` chris: Error: There is no command "herald".
03:15 chris @list herald
03:15 munin` chris: add, change, default, get, and remove
03:16 chris_n^2 @news
03:16 munin` chris_n^2: No news for #koha.
03:16 chris_n^2 opps
03:16 chris_n^2 @help news
03:16 munin` chris_n^2: (news [<channel>] [<id>]) -- Display the news items for <channel> in the format of '(#id) subject'. If <id> is given, retrieve only that news item; otherwise retrieve all news items. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
03:17 chris @herald add schuster Texas is in the house!
03:17 munin` chris: Error: I can't find schuster in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
03:17 chris dang
03:18 chris_n^2 @news add #koha Organizing:Koha Foundation polling begins 29 September 2009 http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09sep15#action_item
03:18 munin` chris_n^2: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
03:18 schuster funny... - do any cool Koha programming or what are you working on?
03:18 chris_n^2 @koha-opac search
03:18 munin` chris_n^2: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:18 chris im working on a recommendation feature
03:19 chris well i will be on monday
03:19 chris @news add #koha Organizing:Koha Foundation polling begins 29 September 2009 http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09sep15#action_item
03:19 munin` chris: Error: 'Organizing:Koha' is not a valid number of seconds.
03:19 chris @news add #koha 0 Organizing:Koha Foundation polling begins 29 September 2009 http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09sep15#action_item
03:19 munin` chris: (news add [<channel>] <expires> <subject>: <text>) -- Adds a given news item of <text> to a channel with the given <subject>. If <expires> isn't 0, that news item will expire <expires> seconds from now. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
03:19 chris_n^2 what's up with identify?
03:19 chris @quote get 27
03:19 munin` chris: Quote #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in close formation, beating the sky into submission.")" (added by gmcharlt at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009)
03:20 chris @quote get 24
03:20 munin` chris: Quote #24: "<kmkale> interesting word munin. in many indian languages we have a word munim who used to be a sort of accountant for all businessmen" (added by gmcharlt at 02:07 PM, August 07, 2009)
03:20 chris hmm there is some quote that tells ya :)
03:20 chris @quote get 23
03:20 munin` chris: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
03:20 chris_n^2 I thought I had already
03:20 chris prolly different nickname
03:20 chris schuster: the feature will allow you do do "people who read this also read this"
03:21 chris and generate reading lists for homebound borrowers, or rest homes etc
03:21 chris @news add 0 Organizing:Koha Foundation polling begins 29 September 2009 http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09sep15#action_item
03:21 munin` chris: (news add [<channel>] <expires> <subject>: <text>) -- Adds a given news item of <text> to a channel with the given <subject>. If <expires> isn't 0, that news item will expire <expires> seconds from now. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
03:21 chris gah i give up
03:22 chris_n^2 @news add 0 Organizing:Koha Foundation polling begins 29 September 2009 http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09sep15#action_item
03:22 munin` chris_n^2: (news add [<channel>] <expires> <subject>: <text>) -- Adds a given news item of <text> to a channel with the given <subject>. If <expires> isn't 0, that news item will expire <expires> seconds from now. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
03:22 chris_n^2 @news add 0 Organizing: Koha Foundation polling begins 29 September 2009 http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09sep15#action_item
03:22 munin` chris_n^2: The operation succeeded. (News item #1 added)
03:22 chris_n^2 syntax++
03:23 chris_n^2 @news
03:23 munin` chris_n^2: News for #koha: (#1) Organizing; (#2) Organizing
03:23 chris doh i just did it a private message ;)
03:23 chris_n^2 @new get #1
03:23 munin` chris_n^2: I suck
03:23 chris_n^2 @news help
03:23 munin` chris_n^2: Error: 'help' is not a valid integer.
03:23 chris @news 1
03:23 munin` chris: Koha Foundation polling begins 29 September 2009 http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09sep15#action_item (Subject: "Organizing", added by 12 on 03:22 AM, September 25, 2009)
03:23 chris_n^2 @news 2
03:23 munin` chris_n^2: Koha Foundation polling begins 29 September 2009 http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09sep15#action_item (Subject: "Organizing", added by 3 on 03:22 AM, September 25, 2009)
03:23 chris @remove 2
03:23 munin` chris: Error: The command "remove" is available in the Alias, Dunno, Herald, Lart, Later, News, Quote, and Todo plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "remove".
03:23 chris @news remove 2
03:23 munin` chris: The operation succeeded.
03:24 chris sorted
03:24 chris_n^2 @news old
03:24 munin` chris_n^2: No old news for #koha.
03:24 chris_n^2 @misc
03:24 munin` chris_n^2: I suck
03:24 chris_n^2 @help misc
03:24 munin` chris_n^2: Error: There is no command "misc".
03:25 chris_n^2 @unix
03:25 munin` chris_n^2: I suck
03:25 chris @news old
03:25 munin` chris: Old news for #koha: (#3) Facts
03:25 chris @news 3
03:25 munin` chris: It's not open source until you release it (Subject: "Facts", added by chris on 03:24 AM, September 25, 2009, expires at 03:24 AM, September 25, 2009)
03:25 chris_n^2 @list unix
03:25 munin` chris_n^2: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, spell, and wtf
03:25 chris small things amuse me, i like that that is now 'old news'
03:26 chris_n^2 hehe
03:26 chris_n^2 @unix spell
03:26 munin` chris_n^2: (unix spell <word>) -- Returns the result of passing <word> to aspell/ispell. The results shown are sorted from best to worst in terms of being a likely match for the spelling of <word>.
03:26 chris ohh cool
03:26 chris @unix spell catalogue
03:26 munin` chris: Error: A spell checking command doesn't seem to be installed on this computer. If one is installed, reconfigure supybot.plugins.Unix.spell.command appropriately.
03:26 chris_n^2 @unix spell oxymoron
03:26 munin` chris_n^2: Error: A spell checking command doesn't seem to be installed on this computer. If one is installed, reconfigure supybot.plugins.Unix.spell.command appropriately.
03:26 chris_n^2 opps
03:27 chris_n^2 @unix crypt
03:27 munin` chris_n^2: (unix crypt <password> [<salt>]) -- Returns the resulting of doing a crypt() on <password> If <salt> is not given, uses a random salt. If running on a glibc2 system, prepending '$1$' to your salt will cause crypt to return an MD5sum based crypt rather than the standard DES based crypt.
03:27 chris_n^2 @unix crypt supersecret
03:27 munin` chris_n^2: Rn20kEq4ojNnk
03:27 chris_n^2 @unix crypt $1$supersecret
03:27 munin` chris_n^2: KJY22av9DfzrY
03:27 chris_n^2 @unix pid
03:28 munin` chris_n^2: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
03:28 chris_n^2 opps
03:28 chris_n^2 @unix whoami
03:28 munin` chris_n^2: I've exhausted my database of quotes
03:28 chris_n^2 heh
03:29 chris_n^2 @list games
03:29 munin` chris_n^2: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
03:29 chris_n^2 @games coin
03:29 munin` chris_n^2: tails
03:29 chris_n^2 @games coin
03:29 munin` chris_n^2: heads
03:29 chris_n^2 @games coin
03:29 munin` chris_n^2: tails
03:29 chris_n^2 how boring
03:29 chris_n^2 @games dice
03:29 munin` chris_n^2: (games dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice.
03:29 chris_n^2 @games dice 12d12
03:29 munin` chris_n^2: Error: You can't roll more than 6 dice.
03:29 chris_n^2 @games dice 10d10
03:29 munin` chris_n^2: Error: You can't roll more than 6 dice.
03:30 chris_n^2 @games dice 2d6
03:30 munin` chris_n^2: 1 and 1
03:30 chris_n^2 snake-eyes
03:30 * chris_n^2 heads to bed
03:30 chris_n^2 g'night
03:35 Amit hi chris, richard, brendan
03:35 Amit good morning #koha
03:36 richard yo Amit
03:36 Amit richard: Long weekend is coming here
03:37 richard ice
03:37 richard nice even
03:37 Amit richard: Dussehra here is in india on 28 sep
03:37 Amit Dussehra festival
04:46 rach where in india are you amit?
05:05 Amit hi rach
05:05 Amit rach: i m in Bangalore
05:27 richard now i'm off home to get psyched up for the panthers vs dogs game
05:27 richard oops
05:27 richard wrong channel
05:41 Ropuch Morning, #koha
05:41 Amit hi ropuch
06:16 nicomo morning Koha
06:19 Amit hi nicomo
06:19 nicomo hi Amit
06:19 nicomo hi magnusenger
06:20 magnusenger hi nicomo and #koha
06:20 Amit hi magnusenger
06:21 magnusenger hiya Amit
06:39 * rach is contemplating a trip to guntur at christmas (which is near-ish to hyderabad)
07:12 kf good morning #koha
09:43 Amit hi fredercid, hdl
10:33 nicomo chris still around?
10:33 chris yep
10:34 chris for a few more minutes anyway
11:46 Amit hi jwagner, jdavidb
11:47 jdavidb Good morning, Amit! :)
11:47 kf hi Amit and jdavidb
11:47 jdavidb Hi, kf! :)
11:47 Amit have a nice weekend for all
11:48 kf jdavidb: still working on visibility of serial enumeration column and others - to make it look like on opac-detail
11:48 hdl_laptop hi all
11:48 kf hi hdl_laptop
11:49 hdl_laptop kf Are you uniformizing the whole display for serials everywhere ?
11:52 kf hdl_laptop: no - not able to do that
11:52 kf hdl_laptop: I started adding serial enumeration to opac-reserve for item level holds
11:53 kf hdl_laptop: and I noticed that its different than opac-detail, where some columns are only shown when needed, like notes
11:53 kf and serial enumeration
11:56 kf hdl_laptop: dont know much perl, but I want to learn it and I thought this would be a good start to do something we need and perhaps make it a little better.
12:01 jwagner Morning, everyone.
12:30 chris_n g'morning owen, jwagner, #koha
12:30 jwagner Morning, chris_n
12:36 owen Hi all
12:36 hdl_laptop hi owen
12:48 * owen is intrigued and perplexed by the report of an unknown yellow box
12:50 hdl_laptop ? which one ?
12:52 owen On the Koha mailing list
12:53 owen "Help! An unknown yellow box"
12:56 jwagner We saw that unknown yellow box during development of some of our features -- things that required overrides -- but since our code isn't out there yet, it's not the culprit in this case.
12:56 jwagner (Thank goodness!)
12:56 jwagner It's definitely related to the need for some kind of override -- too many $$ in fines, item is on hold for someone else, etc.
12:58 owen I guess it must be a case where NEEDSCONFIRMATION or IMPOSSIBLE are true but no message is defined for that condition
12:59 Colin Thats how I managed to generate it!
13:02 owen Hi Hurricane
13:03 owen Bye Hurricane.
13:09 owen Heh... I think we need to update the OPAC to take renewal overrides into account:
13:10 owen "(-2 of 2 renewals remaining)"
13:13 owen Is now bug 3666
13:13 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3666 normal, P5, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, Overriding renewal limit results in negative count in OPAC display
13:13 owen Colin: You added the new patron messages feature?
13:14 Colin I did but jwagner is the expert on what its like in practice
13:15 owen I'm looking at it for the first time this morning.
13:15 owen I wonder if we shouldn't merge the message boxes on the OPAC when both types of message are present?
13:16 owen Where there are two one is above the "Hello <user>" heading and the other is below. Looks weird.
13:17 Colin True. Could be very weird
13:18 owen I'll submit a patch if you're okay with that change. I'm open to suggestions for how the two kinds of messages should be labeled differently
13:20 Colin Yes. Gives folk a chance to make suggestions
13:24 jwagner owen, I'm fine with merging the two in the OPAC display. We didn't have too many existing patron notes in our test/production data sets, so it never got to be a priority to change that piece.
13:25 owen I'm really happy to see the feature. I've been wishing for that for a long time.
13:26 owen In fact I wonder if there is a reason to continue to use the old OPAC notes mechanism at all
13:26 owen Maybe we should just do away with that part of it?
13:27 jwagner owen, when I started looking at the feature, the distinction I saw between the new messaging feature and the existing circ/opac notes was a question of "permanent" notes. This might not be as much of an issue for opac notes, but it was for circ notes. There's notes you don't ever want to overwrite, like "child has parent's permission for X". So the new feature and the circ notes are both needed, but I don't know if anyone has an equivalent need for "p
13:28 owen Yeah, I agree. The circ screen would have a need for more permanent notes
13:35 jwagner owen, maybe add a bugzilla (or update the one on this feature) to see if anyone is using "permanent" opac notes? If no one has a major need, then I'd be happy with getting rid of them altogether.
13:48 Colin I would have thought that the nature of opac notes tends away from permanence. They are more messages.
13:53 owen chris_n: if my label item search problem was related to corrupt data, would it happen with a freshly-added record?
13:59 owen "Big GPL copyright enforcement win in Paris Court of Appeals"
13:59 owen http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/09/big-gpl-copyright-enforcement-win-in-paris-court-of-appeals.ars
14:29 owen Hi ChrisH
14:31 owen Oh, new messaging system shows the branch where the message was left. Nice!
14:35 jwagner Someone confirm -- build_holds_queue.pl is used for on-shelf holds. Is that correct?
14:35 owen It builds the holds queue report, which shows the librarian a list of items to be pulled off the shelf to fulfill holds requests
14:36 owen So yes.
14:36 jwagner That's what I thought, thanks.
14:36 owen jwagner: Do you know what the bug number was for your messaging enhancements?
14:38 jwagner owen, Bug 3472
14:38 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3472 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Enhanced borrower notes
14:38 owen Thanks.
14:47 kf owen: you left your 2-year-old in the library? :)
14:48 owen it's okay, they have a drinking fountain and everything ;)
14:48 kf :D
14:50 jwagner But do they have someone to change diapers????
14:50 owen Sheesh, didn't those people go to library school?
14:51 jwagner I didn't :-) Neither did I go to kid school :-)
14:57 owen Hmmm... after adding 2 messages to a patron record I only see one [Delete] link.
14:59 chris_n owen: I would think not
14:59 chris_n owen: I asked chris if he ran into that issue when testing labels code and he said he did not
15:00 jwagner owen, there should be a Delete link after each message. Isn't there?
15:00 owen No, only next to the top one
15:00 chris_n owen: I'll be in and out much of the day, but will keep tabs on irc when I'm in
15:02 owen jwagner: I'm adding more messages now
15:02 owen Both "staff" messages have a delete link
15:02 owen And the new opac message I added has the link
15:03 owen Seems only the last one in the list lacks the delete link
15:04 jwagner Hmmm. I just tested on a plain-vanilla system with latest Koha (so it's the standard code not our devel), and I'm seeing delete links on all messages I add.
15:05 owen I'll empty the messages table and try again
15:06 owen Ah wait, never mind
15:06 owen It has to do with the branch, doesn't it?
15:06 jwagner Probably. I did most of my testing on a single branch system, but it would make sense that staff at branch A can't delete messages created by staff at branch B.
15:06 owen I can't delete a message made at another branch.
15:07 jwagner But if you log in as a staff user for that branch, can you?
15:07 owen Yes
15:07 jwagner Incidentally, I updated the bug report with the question about removing the old opac notes field -- let's see if anyone uses it.
15:14 owen I take it there isn't a new granular permission for deleting messages?
15:14 owen If I'm logged in as a superlibrarian I would think I should be able to delete another branch's message
15:15 owen I see references to "can_delete" and "all_messages_del"
15:15 jwagner Not specific to that, no. We've done a lot of new granulars (haven't submitted them yet but see Bug 3500 ), but different developers worked on the pieces. It would probably be useful to add that into superlibrarian privileges.
15:15 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3500 enhancement, P5, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, New Circulation, patron, fines, other granular permissions
15:28 owen jwagner: Should Bug 3500 be assigned to you, or maybe Colin? Since it's PTFS's enhancement I don't think chris is the right assignee
15:28 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3500 enhancement, P5, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, New Circulation, patron, fines, other granular permissions
15:30 jwagner owen, sorry -- when I created all the new bug reports for our features I forgot to do assignments on a bunch of them. I've been meaning to go back and set those, but haven't gotten around to it yet. If you want to, you can use the generic kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com address for assignment. We discussed that with Galen a while back, and that's what I've been using when I do assign things.
15:32 nengard help!!! suffering from open source writer's block - this is not good!!
15:34 owen Will talking about Koha bugs help?
15:37 kf hm perhaps go and play with some open source apps to get inspiration?
15:38 nengard owen trying that
15:38 nengard kf - tried that
15:38 nengard I think it's just that all the negativity recently has sucked me dry of positive inspiration
15:39 kf hm thats a difficult case then
15:40 nengard yeah
15:40 nengard i'm working on it
15:40 nengard just wanted to rant a little
15:40 owen Then you came to the right place.
15:50 * jdavidb grumbles and rants incoherently.
15:50 * kf playing with photoshop :)
16:01 chris_n nengard++ # for doing a great job in general ;-)
16:01 nengard awwww - thank you :)
16:17 jwagner *sniff* I'm feeling neglected now :-(
16:30 kf jwagner++ for nice screenshots
16:30 kf ;)
16:31 kf mh, want to change the background color of cart button, but cant find it in css :(
16:31 owen That's a complicated one
16:32 owen You want to set the background color on #cartmenulink
16:32 kf will try, thx owen
16:32 kf :)
16:35 owen I think there's more, let me check
16:36 owen Yeah, you also want to set a background color for #cartmenulink:hover
16:37 owen http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=217
16:43 kf owen: thx :)
16:53 kf hm, when I hover the background color changes now, but there is something like a border appearing around the cart image
17:01 owen kf, do you mean the small image of the shopping cart?
17:02 kf owen: yes
17:02 kf something like a dark border top and left when hovering
17:06 jwagner kf, thanks. Now I feel better :-)
17:07 kf :)
17:11 kf owen++ :)
17:13 owen Hi schuster
17:14 schuster Hey... Any luck on a patch for the transfer issue?
17:14 owen Hardly any luck getting a response.
17:21 kf ie--
17:21 kf catalog looks terrible in ie with my css changes :(
17:22 kf ah, I know why - https and images are on another server
17:22 owen ie-- in general
17:24 jwagner Microsft-- in general
17:25 jwagner Microsoft-- as well (spelling? Who needs spelling???)
17:25 kf :)
17:26 kf ok, time to leave work - 7:25
17:28 owen My favorite derogatory misspelling of Microsoft is MICROS~1.
17:28 kf mh, hope I packed the light for my bike
17:29 kf @karma ie
17:29 munin` kf: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 7 times for a total karma of -7.
17:29 kf ie--
17:29 kf bye owen, jwagner and #koha
17:42 pianohacker hello koha
17:43 owen Hi pianohacker
17:44 owen How's the hand?
17:44 pianohacker hey
17:44 pianohacker alright. I'll be healing for six weeks, so I'd better get used to this splint
17:45 pianohacker btw, gmcharlt asked me to resolve some patch conflicts on sysprefs; your patch isn't in yet, but it will be
17:46 owen Thanks
17:51 pianohacker sorry, school has been pushing a lot of other things to the side
17:53 owen Sure, lately I've been having to steal my Koha time too
17:56 pianohacker speaking of which, how are the kids?
17:59 owen They're good. Quite often.
18:00 owen I'm anxious for my middle child to be old enough to be able to sit through a whole movie. He only lasted through Ponyo until the snacks ran out.
18:00 owen (he's not quite 3)
18:25 mdhafen pianohacker: Hello again. Good news is I haven't seen a single timeout today. Switching session storage to disk seems to have done it.
18:25 mdhafen Now the question is why wasn't the database session storage working. Was it not able to keep up?
18:26 pianohacker mdhafen: hard to say. I'd open a bug
18:27 mdhafen Yeah, maybe I should do that. I don't really want to if I'm the only one effected. Maybe I'll post to the dev list first to see if this has happened to anyone else.
18:29 mdhafen quick check of the bug database doesn't turn up anything.
18:51 jdavidb Howdy, brendan!
18:51 jdavidb @quote random
18:51 munin` jdavidb: Quote #10: "< pianohacker> You helped start an open source project; clearly your sense of what to avoid to make your life easier has been impaired for a while :)" (added by chris at 07:59 PM, June 23, 2009)
18:51 brendan hey jdavidb
18:52 pianohacker ahh, the days when I could be so verbose
18:52 pianohacker hi brendan, jdavidb
18:52 brendan excellent weekend -- coming up
18:52 jdavidb Quick, everyone! Ask pianohacker hard questions that will cause him to have to type all day.
18:52 brendan what's the meaning of life ?
18:52 pianohacker 42
18:52 brendan nice
18:53 brendan glad you got that one
18:53 pianohacker hehe
18:53 jdavidb Define the universe; give three examples.
18:53 brendan what's the question
18:53 Ropuch Evening, #koha
18:53 pianohacker How many slices of pizza?
18:54 * jdavidb hands pianohacker a spoon, a spool of wire, and a Perl book. How would you use these objects to construct a supercomputer?
18:55 pianohacker first, burn the perl book
18:55 cait_laptop good evening :)
18:55 pianohacker hi cait
18:55 pianohacker how are you?
18:56 cait_laptop im fine thx, and you?
18:56 jdavidb watches pianohacker fail the test! http://xkcd.com/224/ The gods wrought the universe in Perl!
18:56 jdavidb Hi, cait. :)
18:56 pianohacker hehe
18:57 cait_laptop hi jdadivb
18:58 brendan "hacked most of it together with perl"
18:58 cait_laptop hm. I installed eclipse with epic, because I used eclipse in my distance study for java... but not sure if this was a good idea. what do you use for koha dev?
18:58 brendan hehe
18:58 jdavidb cait: vi?
18:58 pianohacker cait_laptop: gvim and bailing wire
19:01 cait_laptop ok, but vi is too hard
19:02 jdavidb I used to think that too, cait...now, I'm trying to enter vi commands when editing outlook e-mails.
19:03 Ropuch ;>
19:03 cait_laptop :) my boss uses vi all the time, I can change files but I like my mouse too
19:03 Ropuch Actually gedit & geany are pretty good too
19:05 Ropuch I remeber serie of "pimp your gedit to look & act like textmate" ;>
19:07 cait_laptop thx everybody :)
19:11 chris_n @quote add <pianohacker> first, burn the perl book
19:11 munin` chris_n: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
19:12 jdavidb Definitely quote-worthy, chris_n.
19:12 * chris_n grumbles as munin tells him he doesn't know his password >:(
19:13 jdavidb @quote add <pianohacker> first, burn the perl book
19:13 munin` jdavidb: The operation succeeded. Quote #36 added.
19:13 * chris_n^2 fixes munin's little red wagon
19:13 * jdavidb sings, "It's hip to be squared!" then blinks, thinking he has something not quite right...
19:14 * wizzyrea giggles at jdavidb
19:14 wizzyrea @quote get 23
19:14 munin` wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
19:14 * jdavidb wondered if wizzyrea was on vacation or sompin!
19:15 jdavidb Hi, Liz! Missed you lately.
19:15 wizzyrea oh hai!
19:15 wizzyrea yea, was out in a library yesterday fixing printers, and was in a web work day this morning
19:15 wizzyrea wherein www.ottawalibrary.org got redone
19:17 owen Hi wizzyrea . Is there an up to date release of Event Calendar now? I was using that on a WordPress site until a recent upgrade.
19:20 * owen does not recall registering a password with munin, but munin thinks he did
19:22 jdavidb @karma munin
19:22 munin` jdavidb: Karma for "munin" has been increased 2 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 1.
19:22 jdavidb munin-- #for being obtuse.
19:27 owen friday++ for being done. For me anyway :)
19:34 wizzyrea hmm. I don't think so, this is an older version of WP (i know. I KNOW.)
19:35 wizzyrea i'll be sad if event calendar goes bye bye
19:35 * wizzyrea now has to go look that up. it's a popular plugin :(
19:35 chris morning
19:35 wizzyrea owen I have the same problem with munin
19:35 wizzyrea bah
19:35 wizzyrea mornin chris ;)
19:35 wizzyrea happy saturday!
19:36 chris_n^2 howdy chris
19:36 jwagner morning chris
19:37 jdavidb Hi, chris! :)
19:37 chris http://tepapa.govt.nz/WhatsOn/allevents/Pages/WellingtonChineseCultureDay09.aspx <-- taking the kids to this today
19:39 cait_laptop morning chris
19:44 wizzyrea wowiee, that looks fun chris
19:46 chris yep
19:46 chris should be good
19:53 wizzyrea man, this day is ending soon right?
19:54 chris hehe it just started for me
19:55 * chris_n^2 wants chris to tell him what Saturday will be like ;-)
19:56 chris_n wizzyrea we may not want Friday to be over depending
19:57 chris so far so good
20:04 chris hey nengard
20:04 nengard hiya chris
20:15 * ebegin hates PDF::Reuse... grrr
20:15 ebegin Hi all, btw ;)
20:16 ebegin nengard, are you learning french now?
20:16 nengard ebegin hehe - nope
20:16 nengard i have never ever been good with languages
20:16 nengard i wish that my schools required us to learn languages when we still learning english
20:17 ebegin You shouldn't blame the school anymore ;)
20:17 chris hey ebegin :)
20:17 ebegin hey chris!
20:18 ebegin Do you know if the new label system will stil use PDF::Reuse (please say no, please say no)...
20:18 ebegin Please say yes you no, and no it wont ;)
20:18 ebegin ...yes you know...
20:19 chris you need to ask chris_n
20:19 chris :)
20:19 ebegin chris_n, around?
20:22 chris looks like it does, but uses it properly this time
20:23 ebegin AFAIK, PDF::Reuse doesn't support diacritics...
20:23 ebegin Unless I'm missing something.
20:26 chris i dont know im afraid
20:26 ebegin you don'
20:27 ebegin you don't have to be afraid chris :) Not your fault
20:30 brendan geeze -- one more email in my inbox and I've hit 10,000 unread emails :)
20:31 brendan too much spam and too many mailing lists -- If I'm going to read it -- it best be a good subject :)
20:33 nengard holy cow brendan
20:33 nengard i'm shocked that you actually reply to my emails ;) hehe
20:34 brendan I also read the messages of those I know :)
20:34 brendan not that bad -- was on a bunch of silly mailing lists that really filled it up quickly -- like homebrewers, mazdamailinglist, etc.
20:35 ebegin brenda... Message Filters are you friends
20:36 ebegin I'm creating a folder for each mailing lists.
20:37 nengard yeah - i too have a whole bunch of filters and folders
20:38 ebegin another trick is to be quick on the Delete mail button. If you have 10 000 unread email at the moment, you'll have another 10 000 before you'll read them. So no need to keep them...
20:50 chris :)
20:56 brendan I agree -- time to archive it all -- then read it when I'm 64 :)
20:56 brendan when I have the time to do more brewing
21:03 ebegin I hope you'll brew before reading you email. Priority first :)
21:08 nicomo well everyone I don't think I wrote anything here beyond "morning" this morning, but it's now 11:07pm and it's... the week-end. Yeeeaahh. See you monday
21:24 pianohacker bye
21:24 chris hi indradg
21:25 indradg chris, hi
21:33 * chris heads out for the day
21:41 * cait_laptop goes to bed - good night :)