Time Nick Message 00:21 brendan cya in a bit #koha -- time to head home :) 02:03 chris_n2 owen++ 02:03 chris owen++ 02:38 * chris_n2 hits the hay 03:51 Amit hi chris, brendan, richard 03:51 Amit good morning #koha 03:51 chris hi Amit 03:51 richard hola Amit 03:52 brendan hello amit 04:18 Amit heya greenmang0 04:18 greenmang0 hoi Amit 04:19 Amit @wunder Bangalore, India 04:19 munin` Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 22.0�C (8:30 AM IST on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. 04:22 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2874942/Little-girls-foul-toss-makes-dad-a-celebrity/ 04:22 chris for brendan 04:23 brendan that's great -- 04:24 brendan I've been to over 150 games -- never been close to a foul ball 04:28 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 04:28 munin` greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (9:10 AM IST on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 04:29 brendan ah ok -- time for bed -- night #koha 04:30 chris night brendan 04:30 Amit @wunder Dehradun india 04:30 munin` Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 25.0�C (8:30 AM IST on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1006 hPa. 04:48 Amit @wunder New Delhi 04:48 munin` Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 30.0�C (10:00 AM IST on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). 05:26 chris hi magnusenger 05:45 magnusenger hi chris 05:45 magnusenger congrats on not being grumpy! ;-) 05:45 chris heh 06:17 Ropuch Mrning #koha 06:59 kf good morning #koha 07:01 Ropuch hello 07:08 chris hi kf and Ropuch 07:12 chris hi paul_p2 07:12 nahuel la salle 07:13 chris good morning nahuel 07:13 nahuel lol 07:13 nahuel hi chris! 07:30 kf hi chris 07:31 kf good morning nahuel 07:33 nahuel hi kf, I saw your patches ! I'm glad to saw you're beggining to contribute to the projet :) 07:33 kf I try, but you know I m not a programmer 07:34 kf we are also working on some more changes in xslt to reflect title-title-linking with $w in MARC21 07:34 kf planning to send a patch next week, but not sure if it will get into 3.2 07:35 nahuel You don't need to be a programmer :) Some typo fix are needed :) 07:35 nahuel Why not ? 07:35 kf not sure if its a new feature or a bug 07:35 kf there is a bug about 440 which will solved by that so I hope gmcharlt will add it 07:36 kf btw biblibre's offlince circulation looks really nice! 07:37 nahuel Yap, it's Jean-André Santoni who is making it :) 07:45 chris nicomo_laptop: can you get into pootle now? 07:45 nicomo_laptop hi chris 07:45 nicomo_laptop yes, thanks 07:45 nicomo_laptop Guess we did the same thing last time and I forgot to change the pw to something I knew 07:45 |Lupin| good day 07:46 nicomo_laptop HI |Lupin| 07:46 |Lupin| hi nicomo_laptop 07:46 kf hi lupin 07:55 |Lupin| hi kf 08:02 nahuel hi |Lupin| 08:09 |Lupin| hi nahuel :) 08:17 |Lupin| hmm 08:17 |Lupin| I'm suspecting a small bug in the koha-zebra-ctl.sh script 08:18 |Lupin| when the directories are created at start-up 08:18 |Lupin| shoulnd't they be chowned so that they belong to the user and group used to run koha ? 08:18 |Lupin| oh oops it's already the case, I'm sorry 08:22 Ropuch ;. 08:23 nahuel But we should make a new script, to use start-stop-daemon instead of daemon 08:24 |Lupin| nahuel: yeah and o be LSB-compliant... 08:24 |Lupin| also, there is a variable which is assigned but not used: DBNAME 08:37 Amit hi lupin, nicomo, ropuch 08:38 kf hi Amit ;) 08:39 |Lupin| hey Amit 08:39 Amit heya kf 09:19 hdl_laptop chris pushing now a translation into english. 09:19 hdl_laptop of a valuebuilder 09:23 chris sweet 09:26 brendan heya #koha 09:26 Ropuch I should finish polish opac by the end of the day 09:26 chris you are awake early brendan 09:27 brendan yup -- can't sleep 09:27 chris Ropuch: very cool 09:27 brendan going to spend sometime doing some fun reading :) 09:27 Ropuch chris: we'll see: the fever is striking hard on me 09:56 chris hi Colin 10:12 hdl_laptop hi Colin 10:25 Colin Hi (belatedly - was on the phone) 10:29 Colin Serials prediction patterns were sent to try us 10:30 chris heh yes 10:32 Colin Especially when trying to generate them from data from elsewhere 10:34 madsdyd Hi there. New to koha. Does koha support any self service automates? SIP2, Z3970, NCIP? 10:34 madsdyd Also, what other ILS are "competitors" to Koha? Is Evergreen the only other? What about ILS's as Biblioteq, NewGenLib, OpenBiblio, PMB/PhpMyBibli or Weblis? 10:35 chris Koha supports SIP2 10:36 chris and you can add ex libris, sirsi/dynix, millenium, polaris and all teh proprietary ILS's to your list too 10:36 madsdyd chris, thanks. And, I am only looking at Open Source solutions. 10:37 madsdyd Would you consider my list worthy competitors? 10:37 brendan Evergreen really isn't a competitor -- each project has some great things going on -- that's a much better way to look at it 10:37 chris yeah we only really compete against the proprietary ones 10:38 madsdyd brendan: well, perhaps competitor is the wrong term 10:38 brendan They are both open -- so you could do whatever you wanted to with each other 10:39 madsdyd I am trying to figure out what is out there. Like, in other Open Source "arenas", you know what the "big names" are. So, I *think* at this stage that Evergreen and Koha are the big names in Open Source ILS. But I would be unhappy to miss some 10:39 brendan ah... I understand now 10:39 chris they have the most features 10:39 brendan I'd say you're correct - right now to two bigger ones are koha and evergreen 10:40 madsdyd brendan: thanks :-) 10:40 brendan err.. as chris says -- have more features ( a much nicer way to think about it ) 10:42 madsdyd brendan: ok. So, if I were to say that koha has 100 features - are the others about 30,40,50? I know I am pressing my luck here, but I have spent quite some time trying to compare these systems, and it is not easy... 10:43 chris we really dont spend much time trying to figure stuff like that out 10:43 brendan The best way to test that is download both and work through your tests and your list of functional elements that you need 10:44 madsdyd ok. 10:44 madsdyd Unfortunately, my boss want this yesterday :-) 10:44 Colin They always do 10:44 madsdyd This is a preminilary analysis, btw. 10:44 madsdyd So, I am supposed to turn up 2-3 library systems, that someone else are supposed to analyze in detail 10:45 madsdyd 2-3 Open Source ... etc 11:06 magnusenger Imagine if there was something like http://www.opensourcecms.com/ for open source ILSs... ;-) 11:16 gmcharlt magnusenger++ 11:17 Ropuch hm 11:17 gmcharlt and it would certainly be a better approach from my POV than OpenRFP 11:20 |Lupin| hi gmcharlt 11:21 kf madsdyd: perhaps look at senacan 11:21 kf senayan 11:22 kf I read a blog post about it, but had no time to take a closer look 11:22 gmcharlt hi |Lupin| 11:22 |Lupin| please all 11:23 |Lupin| I'm wondering why KOha rules for loan can't depend on ccodes at the moment 11:23 |Lupin| is it because it would make their evaluaiton too hard, or is it because nobody has implemented this feature yet ? 11:24 gmcharlt not implemented - and it's not necessarily an obvious thing to do 11:24 gmcharlt since ccodes are just authorized values 11:24 brendan I'd agree -- I don't think I every thought to circ something via ccode 11:25 gmcharlt and there isn't a database table backing them up and prevent items from being given ccodes that aren't known to the circ rules 11:25 |Lupin| gmcharlt: ok, I understand 11:26 |Lupin| brendan: well for our library it would I think be very useful to be able to include ccodes in circulation rules 11:26 brendan that's cool 11:26 |Lupin| and honestly, I don't know how we will do without them, because item types is used for something else 11:27 gmcharlt I can see having a second level of location beyond the library code 11:27 gmcharlt maybe more 11:27 |Lupin| hmm 11:27 gmcharlt but it would need to be based on just more than an authorized value 11:28 |Lupin| gmcharlt: why ? because of the problem you have explained above of not being able to guarantee database integrity ? 11:28 gmcharlt correct 11:28 |Lupin| ok... 11:31 gmcharlt of course, were such a thing code, one could then contemplate migrating ccodes to second-level locations 11:42 madsdyd kf: Thanks - it looks quite early though 11:43 chris_n g'morning #koha 11:43 brendan morning chris_n 11:44 chris_n you're up early brendan (iirc) 11:44 brendan yup :) 11:44 chris_n west coast, right? 11:44 brendan yes 11:44 brendan @wunder 93117 11:44 munin` brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.9�C (4:42 AM PDT on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Falling). 11:45 * chris_n re-entered the US via CA 35 years ago 11:45 chris_n and have not been there since 11:45 chris_n @wunder 28334 11:45 munin` chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 19.0�C (7:41 AM EDT on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 11:45 brendan good deal -- i just moved here last year 11:46 brendan I was from CT for most of my life 11:46 |Lupin| gmcharlt: ok, thanks a lot for your explanations 11:46 chris_n I lived in MD for awhile and had a friend from CT 11:49 Amit hi chris_n 11:56 chris_n hey Amit 11:56 chris_n and paul_p2 12:04 |Lupin| pls 12:05 |Lupin| is the isbd syspref used both in OPAC and staff client, or just in opac ? 12:06 |Lupin| hi jdavidb 12:07 jdavidb Hi, |Lupin| ! :) 12:07 jwagner Hi everyone. 12:08 |Lupin| hello jane 12:08 gmcharlt |Lupin|: ISBD syspref is for both staff and OPAC 12:08 |Lupin| gmcharlt: ok, thanks ! it's great 12:09 |Lupin| gmcharlt: is the syntax of the syspref documented somewhere ? like what is allowed, what can be achieved, etc... ? 12:09 gmcharlt not that I know of, unless it's in the manual or BibLibre has something written up about it 12:10 |Lupin| gmcharlt: for instance for instance we have a marc field bound to ccodes, and I'de like to use both the description of the code and its value in the syspref. Is that possible ? 12:10 |Lupin| gmcharlt: so the doc is the code ? In that case I'd be happy to have a look to it if someone could point me to the relevant file 12:11 gmcharlt |Lupin|: GetISBDView in C4/Biblios.pm 12:11 |Lupin| gmcharlt: thanks a lot !!! 12:12 gmcharlt I belive {{ }} instead of { } in the syspref means to fetch the display string from the authval 12:12 |Lupin| gmcharlt: wooow ! that'd amazing. cool ! 12:12 gmcharlt thank nahuel for that 12:12 |Lupin| ok, have to run, ee you laer all ! 12:12 gmcharlt he's the one whose done the most work on the ISBD view of late 12:13 |Lupin| nahuel++ ! 12:13 |Lupin| nahuel++ ! 12:13 nahuel :) 12:13 |Lupin| till soon 12:22 hdl_laptop hi 12:23 madsdyd A question about koha: It only works with a Linux server and MySQL, right? 12:25 * madsdyd has been downloading for about an hour now 12:26 gmcharlt madsdyd: pretty much correct for 3.0 and later; you can run and test it in a VM, of course 12:28 Nate mornin ladies and gents 12:28 gmcharlt morning Nate 12:28 madsdyd gmcharlt: no problem, we are a Linux based shop 12:28 madsdyd I just need to compile a "fact sheet" 12:31 chris_n hi Nate 12:32 chris_n and gmcharlt 12:32 gmcharlt hi chris_n 12:32 Nate hey chris_n, gmcharlt 12:33 Nate finally stopped raining here in CT 12:34 chris_n and started in NC 12:34 chris_n for the next 7 days so noaa says 12:34 jdavidb We had a little rain here overnight. Murky and gray now. 12:37 mason hi folks, can i ask a stupid jquery Q? 12:37 mason i think i need a midnite brain-slap over here :/ 12:37 gmcharlt mason: no, only genius-level questions are allowed here! 12:37 gmcharlt i.e., don't ask to ask, just ask ;) 12:38 jdavidb Ask away, mason. Ignore gmcharlt; he's in an ornery mood. 12:38 mason yeah, good call, ok... 12:38 mason var aaa = document.getElementById('moo'); 12:38 mason this works fine... 12:39 mason and this.. 12:39 mason var aaa = $('#moo'); 12:39 gmcharlt mason: some browsers' version of getElementById are broken and search on the name attribute as well as the id attribute 12:40 mason what i want is to use the *opener* document and change an id's value... 12:40 mason so , i get the opener doc just fine.. 12:40 mason var doc = opener.document; 12:40 mason now.. how to use jquery to manip it ?!? 12:41 mason this works..... 12:41 mason var bbb = doc.getElementById('moo'); 12:42 gmcharlt mason: var bbb = $('#moo', doc); 12:42 mason great!, but need to use jquery - coz i have to regex the 'id' , as it is a randomly generated id :/ 12:42 mason like 'tag_300_subfield_a_99999_00000' 12:43 gmcharlt i.e., you're passing the context of doc that you got from the opener to jquery 12:43 mason sheesh, i would have *never* discovered that syntax 12:44 mason whew , thanks for that galen 12:46 * mason backs away from the cliff 12:47 gmcharlt wow, didn't realize it was that critical! ;) 12:48 madsdyd Anyone know if newgenlib supports sip? 12:51 owen Hi all 12:52 brendan morning owen :) 12:52 jdavidb Howdy, owen. :) 12:54 mason critical enough that ive started using obsene words as variable names :) 12:54 schuster mason - would your mother approve! 12:55 mason yeah, she a completive scrabble(tm) player 12:57 schuster Oh my - ! 12:57 jdavidb Mornin', schuster. :) 12:59 schuster howdy David!! Had to throw a little texan back at ya even though it might have a little Minnesota twang... 13:01 * jdavidb hears schuster's voice in his head, saying "Howdy," and chuckles a little. 13:05 schuster Too much to do today so I'm off to digitize some more video of KohaCon09 - hopefully I'll be able to post more tonight. 13:05 jdavidb schuster++ 13:07 * owen reading the logs from earlier 13:07 owen brendan, you're working with vokal? 13:08 brendan yes - we're doing support right now -- 13:08 brendan Hopefully some training soon -- to get them to contribute some of their work 13:09 owen Yeah, I've been watching out of the corner of my eye, hoping that they get involved. 13:10 owen I inquired and got a nice email back from Stephanie Chase from Stowe Free Library. She sounded like they would be into community participation 13:11 brendan Currently most of their concentration is on building the consortium and getting more libraries invovled -- then onto participation 13:39 schuster OK showing ignorance - vokal? What is that? Sounds like a Vulkan thing. 13:40 Ropuch sounds like something voice-related 13:41 brendan http://gmlc.wordpress.com/koha-project/ 13:45 owen Vokal -- the Vulcan Science Directorate's official Voice-Recognition software. 13:52 paul_p2 FYI: https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/14399 13:52 paul_p2 Kivutar++ 13:53 owen That's exciting, paul_p2! 13:54 Kivutar http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=offline_circulation_firefox_plugin 13:55 gmcharlt Kivutar++ 13:57 moodaepo Kivutar++ 13:58 schuster Nice!++ 13:58 schuster This is not the offline circ though that I had gotten from LibLime... 13:59 brendan Kivutar++ 13:59 chris_n Kivutar++ 14:00 schuster Technical requirements should that be 3.2 or some version of Koha for the server? 14:00 moodaepo schuster what do you mean as a novice I just remember a gtk based offline...what is this LL one you speak of? 14:02 schuster Koha Offline Circulation 1.558 - written by Kyle Hall and "adopted?" by LibLime? 14:02 nahuel munin`, help 14:02 munin` nahuel: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 14:02 Colin Kivutar++ 14:02 nahuel @kivutar++ 14:02 munin` nahuel: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 14:02 nahuel @karma Kivutar 14:02 munin` nahuel: Karma for "Kivutar" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. 14:03 moodaepo schuster right I just checked and that's the one I remember seeing 14:03 nahuel @karma nahuel 14:03 munin` nahuel: Karma for "nahuel" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 14:03 nahuel :( 14:03 nahuel hehe 14:03 gmcharlt nahuel++ # happy now? ;) 14:03 nahuel yeah ! 14:38 jdavidb @karma jdavidb 14:38 munin` jdavidb: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3. 14:38 rhcl I'll be meeting with Greg Mickels tomorrow, Nebraska Project Pioneer mover and shaker, to just talk shop about there move to Koha. Anybody have any specific questions they want me to ask? 14:39 rhcl sed s/there/their 14:39 kyle hey chris, are you around? 14:39 owen Too early for chris, kyle 14:39 jdavidb Middle of the night, for him, kyle. prolly not. 14:40 kyle good point ; ) 14:40 rhcl kyle, tnx for the feedback email on the VM 14:40 kyle no problem. I'll have to roll some new ones as soon as 3.2 is out the door. 14:50 jdavidb Mornin', Wizzyrea_! 14:50 Wizzyrea_ hi peeps :) 14:50 owen If it isn't The Wiz. 14:51 Wizzyrea_ lol 14:51 Wizzyrea_ how is everyone's blood pressure today? 14:51 Wizzyrea_ :) 14:52 owen it's quiet on the mailing lists, so mine's good so far. 14:52 Wizzyrea_ jim_minges++ 14:52 Wizzyrea_ best...boss...ever... 14:52 Wizzyrea_ (not kidding) 14:54 jdavidb Boss bring in donuts and raises, Wizzy? 14:54 Wizzyrea_ donuts sometimes, raises as $$ available 14:54 Wizzyrea_ :P 14:55 Wizzyrea_ oh, you mean today 14:55 Wizzyrea_ heh, no 14:55 jdavidb The sincerest form of thanks a boss can give, starts with "Pay to the Order of..." But donuts are almost as good. 14:55 Wizzyrea_ ha 14:56 Wizzyrea_ dunno, it's a pretty big deal when our boss just says "you know, you did a good job on that" 14:56 Wizzyrea_ not because he doesn't tell you, it's just you know he means it 14:56 jdavidb Oh, heck, hide! There's two jwagners! 14:56 Wizzyrea_ OMB 14:56 Wizzyrea_ OMG 14:56 * jdavidb hides behind Wizzyrea_ 14:57 Wizzyrea_ have we approached the singularity? 14:57 Wizzyrea_ are we surfing the moebius? 14:58 gmcharlt Wizzyrea_: we are if you're inviting the Office of Management and Budget here ;) 14:59 Wizzyrea_ ha 15:00 jwagner_ That's what happens when your network connection freaks out. We have multiplying jwagners! 15:00 * jdavidb fears network hiccuping. 15:00 jdavidb If it does it while there are two, do we end up with four? 15:02 jwagner Only if my bad line of code is still in XSLT.pm :-) 15:02 Colin Maybe its a two for the price of one offer 15:02 jwagner There. One of me is gone. Do you feel safer now??? 15:03 * jdavidb feels much safer now, thanks. 15:03 jdavidb But are you the good twin, or the evil twin? 15:03 jwagner You wait until I get back into the office tomorrow.... (pause for ominous stare) 15:04 * Wizzyrea_ raises an eyebrow 15:04 * jdavidb may just have to take the day off, to be safe. Or bust a plumbing line in his own place. 15:04 jwagner Harrumph. 15:04 Wizzyrea_ are you looking for your sledgehammer jdavidb? 15:04 jdavidb Yis! I loaned it to you last week...what'd you do with it? 15:05 jwagner Well, we know she didn't hit her boss with it.... 15:06 Wizzyrea_ ...no, that was the holy hammer of righteousness. The one you're looking for only destroys pipes 15:06 jwagner Well, I wish it would stay away from my house. We had an interesting day with the backhoe in my front yard yesterday. 15:07 Wizzyrea_ oh dear. did it involve things being severed that shouldn't be? perhaps an explosion? 15:08 Wizzyrea_ i really love how OTRS does their subdomains 15:08 Wizzyrea_ faq.otrs.org, bugs.otrs.org, doc.otrs.org 15:09 Wizzyrea_ lists.otrs.org 15:09 jwagner No, but they had to dig pretty close to the gas lines. I closed the doors & blinds and crossed my fingers... 15:09 Wizzyrea_ fingers in the ears "la la la" 15:09 Wizzyrea_ I can imagine :) 15:09 jwagner The only real casualty of the day was my checkbook :-( 15:09 sekjal hey, everyone, I'm having a bit of crisis. We are unable to add items to Koha. 15:10 sekjal its not an indexing issue; I've double checked on that 15:10 sekjal the item record simply doesn't "take" when I click "Add Item" 15:10 sekjal tried it on multiple browsers and with multiple user accounts 15:10 sekjal anyone run into this before? 15:11 jwagner Is it just that title, or all titles? 15:11 Wizzyrea_ can you do other things that change the DB? 15:11 Wizzyrea_ (checkin, checkout) 15:11 Wizzyrea_ (place holds) 15:11 sekjal we've noticed it with two separate titles 15:11 sekjal circulation, serials, and patron loading work fine 15:11 Wizzyrea_ k 15:12 sekjal we have successfully deleted an item 15:12 Colin anything turning up in the apache logs? 15:12 Wizzyrea_ very odd 15:12 Wizzyrea_ user in question has permissions? 15:12 sekjal and I can edit items 15:13 sekjal yes, all the user accounts I've tried have permissions. even used kohaadmin 15:13 sekjal Colin: I checked the koha error logs, but not apache. doing so now... 15:14 jwagner I've had that problem, but only when we were adding new development code into a code bundle, and there was a conflict. Have you been doing anything with the code? If you're on a local branch, can you add an item if you switch back to master? 15:15 sekjal I've made all of two code edits since we migrated, and they were primarily for OPAC display 15:17 Ropuch sekjal: so? enything in the logs? 15:17 rhcl out of disk space? (the other stuff probably wouldn't work if you were out of space though) 15:18 Ropuch /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl?biblionumber= 15:18 sekjal can't get into /var/log/apache2. permission denied 15:19 sekjal works fine on my test system 15:19 Ropuch Try to open that url with desired biblionumber 15:19 sekjal which is the same code, in theory 15:19 sekjal biblio displays fine in both the OPAC and the staff client 15:19 Ropuch maybe it's just a minor tmpl typo 15:19 sekjal the records are not getting into the DB. Went in manually to check 15:20 Ropuch But you can save them? 15:21 sekjal after filling out the new item form at /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl, and clicking "Add Item", I get thrown returned to the screen, but with no record of the item being added 15:21 Wizzyrea_ do you have anything in your intranetuserjs that might be affecting it? 15:21 sekjal nothing new record is added to the items table 15:21 Colin But an edit to an existing item is saved? 15:22 sekjal we haven't gotten any JS written yet 15:22 sekjal yes, I can edit existing record's details 15:22 sekjal which makes me think that somehow the itemnumber assignment is the problem... perhaps....? 15:25 Colin Do you autogenerate barcodes?? 15:26 sekjal we do not. we manually assign 15:27 chris_n sekjal: what do the logs say? 15:27 chris_n ie. apache error.log 15:27 chris_n or koha-error_log 15:28 chris_n sekjal: maybe sudo tail /var/log/apache2/error.log 15:28 chris_n to overcome the permission issue 15:30 sekjal apache2/error.log shows nothing significant 15:30 Wizzyrea_ did it work yesterday? 15:31 sekjal I don't think so 15:31 chris_n hrmm... db errors should show up in the log 15:31 sekjal but we only started adding items yesterday evening, and I didn't turn on indexing until today 15:31 sekjal took a second look at koha-error.log 15:32 chris_n sekjal: do you have a cron job running rebuild_zebra.pl occasionally? 15:32 sekjal getting things related to marc_subfield_structure.pl 15:32 sekjal so, I think this is my fault 15:32 sekjal chris_n: yes, every 3 minutes 15:32 schuster URL checker - I don't see this documented anywhere? other than in cron jobs - where does the output go? 15:32 schuster check-url.pl - ?? 15:35 sekjal fixed a MARC framework error in 999, retried, still not working 15:35 sekjal ok, yes, I am generating errors in koha-error.log 15:36 chris_n maybe a clue is there 15:36 sekjal I think so 15:36 sekjal alright, I have to go to a meeting 15:37 sekjal I'll look at this more when I'm back 15:37 sekjal thank you all so much for your assistance 15:37 sekjal this is one of the many reasons why I love being part of this community 15:37 sekjal be back later 15:41 * chris_n re-invents photoshop(tm) inside of the Koha Patron Card Creator... :-P 15:43 owen chris_n: I'm sure some patrons would like a little Guassian Blur to be applied to their photos 15:43 owen Oooh, and lens flare! 15:44 schuster Get the red out 15:44 brendan One thing that I love about the new Photoshop is they have a colorblind button/filter with it 15:44 brendan one time I was editing a picture and there was a red circle around the sun -- and I couldn't see it 15:45 brendan flipped the switch -- I saw the circle was able to remove it -- then I switched back to normal color -- and it was gone for most normal people 15:45 chris_n owen: lol! 15:46 owen Or how about this? http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2006/11/09/slim-cameras.html 15:47 chris_n $patron_image->total_make_over(look_like => 'your-wish-goes-here'); 15:49 chris_n interesting to say the least 16:34 jdavidb hm. this is a puzzler. I have a customization that one of my customers did before we got 'em--possibly snagged from somewhere else--to purge off Serial Solutions records. it has a really, really inefficient-sounding search in it: 16:35 jdavidb SELECT <flds> from biblioitems where marcxml like '%<controlfield tag="003">WaSeSS</controlfield>%'; 16:35 jdavidb That just sounds painful, and sure enough, it dies on timeout. Anyone know a better way to do that? 16:47 gmcharlt jdavidb: index the 003 in Zebra 16:48 jdavidb Mmm...then do a zebra search in the backfield to find the records. yea, that would work, but it'd be a bit of geekery to make it go. 16:50 gmcharlt an alternative might be creating a special table with an insert/update trigger on bibliotiems that populates it with the value of the 003 taken via the ExtractValue() function 16:50 gmcharlt then index tthat 16:50 gmcharlt could be a general mechanism 16:51 gmcharlt another appraoch would be via MARC frameworks and mapping the 003 to a disused biblio or biblioitems column 16:51 jdavidb Ah-hah. That may be the best way....how to get 'em to populate, after changing that? 16:52 gmcharlt one of the scripts in misc does that IIRC 16:52 jdavidb k 16:57 jdavidb Hm. Since the query done baldly against MySQL took just under five minutes to tell me "0 rows", I'm thinking the right answer is Then Don't Do That. 17:15 chris_n lunch 17:37 sekjal back. still can't get Add Item to work. 17:38 sekjal the error I found in koha-error.log was for a bad framework decision, which I've fixed. this has not resolved my issue, unfortunately 17:49 brendan get some TNT -- sekjal 17:49 sekjal brendan: I'm thinking maybe lunch. I don't know if I have sufficent blood sugar to solve this right now 18:00 * chris_n pays expensive tuition to learn about autoloader and autosplit... :-P 18:12 chris morning 18:12 sekjal morning, chris 18:22 chris_n howdy chris 18:23 jwagner morning chris 18:29 sekjal alright, Add Item issue resolved 18:29 chris_n sekjal: what was it? 18:29 chris hmmm im a bad man 18:29 sekjal lesson: do not create your own template in parallel to 'prog'. Just use git to manage your local changes 18:30 sekjal your template will quickly desynchronize after even the minorest of upgrades 18:37 chris_n @define bad 18:37 munin` chris_n: I've exhausted my database of quotes 18:37 chris_n @dict bad 18:37 munin` chris_n: foldoc, gcide, wn, jargon, vera, and moby-thes responded: vera: BAD Broken As Designed (slang); gcide: Bad \Bad\ (b[a^]d), imp. of {Bid}. Bade. [Obs.] --Dryden. [1913 Webster]; foldoc: BAD /B-A-D/ Broken As Designed, a play on "{working as designed}", from {IBM}. Failing because of bad design and misfeatures rather than because of bugs. [{Jargon File}] (2002-04-14); jargon: BAD /B-A-D/ adj. (25 more messages) 18:38 chris :) 18:39 chris chris_n: foisting marc questions off on biblibre or galen or joe :-) 18:39 chris_n and giving out historical truths in the process 18:39 chris_n definitely bad 18:40 chris heh 18:42 Wizzyrea_ sekjal: I have SO been there 18:44 chris_n @quote random 18:44 munin` chris_n: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 07:40 PM, August 14, 2009) 18:44 chris_n lol 18:45 sekjal it seemed like a good idea at the time.... 18:58 jwagner @quote add <sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time.... 18:58 munin` jwagner: The operation succeeded. Quote #35 added. 19:16 * chris wanders off for coffee bbiab 19:25 schuster Question about 3.2 - will there be bib merging? I've seen things flying around, just can't remember. Right now I found 7 records exactly the same - but each have items attached. 19:31 jwagner @quote 35 19:31 munin` jwagner: downloading the Perl source 19:31 gmcharlt schuster: yes, I believe so 19:31 jwagner @quote #35 19:31 munin` jwagner: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 19:31 gmcharlt @quote get 35 19:31 munin` gmcharlt: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009) 19:31 sekjal lol 19:31 jwagner Thanks, Galen. Since sekjal just rejoined... 19:33 sekjal found the blue.css for the staff client. not too bad 19:33 Wizzyrea_ @quote random 19:33 munin` Wizzyrea_: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 01:55 AM, June 12, 2009) 19:34 Wizzyrea_ oh snap, we don't see that one often 19:35 sekjal I had multiple requests to do something a little less harsh on the eyes, and that would more clearly differentiate staff client from OPAC 19:40 chris sekjal: you should ask the vokal people if they wouldnt mind sharing their css 19:40 chris their staff client is very pretty 19:40 owen Where have you seen it chris? 19:41 brendan http://openilsvt.pbworks.com/ 19:41 brendan beatcha to it chris 19:41 chris how the heck did amy schuler get 3.0.2 runnong on windows? 19:42 chris_n betcha its vbox or vmachine 19:42 chris gotta be 19:45 chris @seen kyle 19:45 munin` chris: kyle was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 4 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <kyle> no problem. I'll have to roll some new ones as soon as 3.2 is out the door. 19:45 chris_n vokal++ # for the nice staff interface mods 19:46 Ropuch Hm, I'm using gtranslator and some some entries 'extracted comments; in form "%1$s: TMPL_VAR name=title %2$s: TMPL_VAR name=author", which are very helpfull 19:46 Ropuch Are those comments added by hand, or autogenerated? 19:46 chris i know kapiti used to have different colours, green was producton red was DR, so that the staff wouldnt use the wrong one :) 19:47 * owen doesn't see where the staff interface mods are 19:47 chris go to the staff templates 19:47 chris then there is screenshot 19:48 chris i saw a better one somewhere, i cant recall where though 19:48 chris im fairly sure it is just css mods 19:48 gmcharlt blue.css 19:48 chris brendan can ping them about it at the meeting :) 19:48 rhcl We've been trying to get the Koha image running on VMWare player on Win 2003 server--no dice. Put it on OpenSuse and it fired right up. 19:49 chris free software wins again 19:49 chris :) 19:50 chris ok time to catch my bus, i will be back in an hour or so, have a good evening for anyone who is off before then 19:50 rhcl The IP address issue was a dead end for us--just couldn't get it set using static IP addresses in Windows. Probably the fault of the VMWare player more than the Koha image. 19:51 * owen figures out ZoneAlarm was blocking the Box.net widget from loading 19:52 owen Hmm, a new icon set too 20:00 Ropuch I've just installed 3.00.4 and when trying to view biblio detail in opac get Global symbol "$aws_ref" requires explicit package name at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/External/Amazon.pm line 85. 20:01 Ropuch switching Amazon.pm to one from 3.00.3 solves the problem - should I subbmit a bug? 20:08 owen Ropuch: If you don't get an answer here, submit the bug. If it's not really a bug at least someone can tell you why when they close it 20:09 Ropuch Hm, I don't know perl, but just googled it 20:10 Ropuch After ading 'my $aws_ref;' the problem is gone, so i consider this a mere typo 20:10 Ropuch I promise I'll read perl tutorial eventually 20:10 Ropuch ;> 20:17 sekjal I'm almost ready to publish my migration tools for Millennium to Koha 20:17 brendan sekjal++ 20:17 sekjal just doing some documentation and cleanup 20:17 sekjal I've got a tester in CA who has been very helpful 20:24 schuster I suspect there are a couple of people from CA on Millennium who would be interested based on individuals that attended KohaCon09... Their biggest problem was getting the item and bib info on the MARC extraction. 20:26 sekjal schuster: I think we're talking about some of the same folks 20:29 schuster Probably...;) 20:34 chris back 20:35 chris Ropuch: yep, submit the bug .. 3.0.4 isnt released yet, so we love having you testing it 20:35 chris any bugs you spot mean we can fix them up before the release 20:38 Ropuch chris: actually is two-keystroke fix 20:39 Ropuch But ok, let mi submit my first bug 20:39 sekjal time to head home. until tomorrow! 20:39 Ropuch Is Benedykt Barszcz still active on koha? 20:39 chris not for a while 20:40 chris Ropuch: you could attach the fix to the bug that would be excellent 20:40 chris or you could even send a patch 20:40 Ropuch I think I'll mail him 20:40 Ropuch chris: i *really* don't know perl, and I'm not familiar with git yet 20:41 richard good morning 20:41 Ropuch I'll post the 'solution', but I don't know, if it's safe, just know it's working ;> 20:41 Ropuch Seems like skipped my with 20:42 Ropuch use strict 20:43 chris cool 20:43 chris yeah should always use my 20:43 chris sounds like your solution is right 20:47 Ropuch Hm, I've never used bugzilla before - what should i type into 'Assign to' instead of jmf@liblime? 20:49 gmcharlt Ropuch: yourself, if you're fixing it 20:49 gmcharlt otherwise (having not read scrollback yet) if it's a 3.0.x bug, hdl or chris 20:50 chris_n we really need to purge the db structure of default NULLs 20:52 * chris_n pushes today's work to his public repo and heads out 21:02 Wizzyrea_ who has admin over those assignments on bugzilla? 21:04 Ropuch Hm, how can i submit a patch? Can i simply ask for fix in bug description (till I learn git)? 21:05 chris yep thats fine Ropuch 21:06 chris awesome!!! 21:07 * chris just got given a $130 ticket to go to a luncheon today 21:08 schuster http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=bugreportingfornewbies 21:08 chris schuster++ 21:08 schuster That will help filling out bugs putting in enhancements 21:08 Ropuch schuster: I've already read that [; 21:08 Ropuch Ok, done 21:10 schuster It defaults to someone unless you have a specific developer you want assigned to it. 21:10 Wizzyrea_ right, who admins those defaults 21:10 Wizzyrea_ who says who is the default 21:11 chris i used to be able to 21:11 Wizzyrea_ there may need to be some revision there 21:11 chris ill see if i can still 21:12 schuster Night all - another night of american 8 year old football practice in the rain... My son LOVES it - muddy as ever. 21:13 brendan night schuster 21:13 Ropuch It'm time for me too - good nigh 21:15 chris Wizzyrea_: yes i still can 21:16 chris whatcha reckon needs changing? 21:16 Wizzyrea_ well... the opac section goes to a person that isn't really involved 21:16 Wizzyrea_ I wonder if owen would be willing to be the go-to guy for OPAC stuff 21:17 Wizzyrea_ aw, but he's not here 21:17 chris hmm i guess we should ask him first 21:17 Wizzyrea_ yea probably 21:17 Wizzyrea_ i mean, the person in the default gets a notify when a new bug is added, correct? 21:17 Wizzyrea_ so you probably want someone there who is... erm... engaged 21:18 chris yes, yes you do 21:18 chris it also goes to the koha-bugs mailing list 21:18 chris but that is quite high traffic so easy to be missed 21:59 Wizzyrea_ *yawn* 21:59 chris heh 22:06 * chris_n2-away relaxes by working on some photos of lighthouses 22:07 chris_n2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/42416875@N07/ 22:08 Wizzyrea_ you take those? 22:11 Wizzyrea_ (pretty cool, if you ask me) 22:11 chris_n2 Wizzyrea_: yup 22:11 Wizzyrea_ verra niiice 22:11 chris_n2 tnx 22:36 Jo morning all 22:37 chris hi Jo 22:41 chris_n2 hello Jo 22:43 chris Jo: looks like ben took your advice and got involved on the mailing list 22:47 Wizzyrea_ I was excited 22:48 Jo me too! 22:48 Jo Good for him :) 22:48 Jo i wrote a friendly email to him to say welcome 22:48 mason morning girls 22:49 richard hola mason and jo 22:49 mason heya richard 22:50 Jo heya 22:51 chris richard: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org.nz/Schedule 22:51 richard tha nks 22:52 mason oooh, nice layout! 22:52 chris ill probably mostly be at the barcamp 22:55 mason /me registers 22:58 mason could be a good chance for me to put up my SCIS stuff before SLANZA 23:01 * richard looks up scis :) 23:01 mason http://www2.curriculum.edu.au/scis/home.html 23:02 richard yup that was where i was 23:05 Wizzyrea_ I wrote him a note too, jo. :) 23:05 Wizzyrea_ figured all the welcome possible was probably better 23:05 chris was yours offlist Jo? 23:25 davi If nobody realize such replace "foundation" by "association or foundation" at http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09sep15 and http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohaheldbyfoundation thenI will do it tomorrow, because we should not forget the association option got 10 votes in favor versus 6 against. That is to say more 60% in favor at http://doodle.com/mobile/overview.html?pollId=bubb4xrqs54qgpwx 23:26 chris dont replace anything 23:26 davi ok 23:26 chris wait until the official poll is announced 23:26 chris and people vote 23:26 davi ack 23:26 chris we have to actually tell people about it 23:26 davi I fear the current wiki seems be promoting foundation 23:27 davi option 23:27 chris one of the options will be association or foundation 23:27 chris lets just wait 23:27 davi good good 23:27 chris ps, hows the software.coop public git repo coming along? 23:28 davi slef installed the Git server yesterday I think 23:28 chris excellent 23:28 davi yep, we are slow but sure 23:30 davi night 23:30 chris cya later 23:32 chris_n2 g'nigh davi 23:32 chris_n2 night also 23:32 chris_n2 @spellcheck 23:32 munin` chris_n2: I suck 23:36 Jo yep offlist 23:38 chris cool 23:39 chris ok, im off to this lunch thingy