Time Nick Message 22:50 pianohacker an exercise often attended by weeping and lamentations 22:50 gmcharlt while this can be problematic is left as an exercise for the reader 22:50 pianohacker bleh, true 22:49 gmcharlt pianohacker: close, but it's actually more correct to say that card cataloging is the basis of 21st century MARC cataloging 22:32 pianohacker Heh. I dug through that out of curiosity a while back; it's rather scary that it's the basis of 21st century MARC cataloging as opposed to card-cataloging 22:31 gmcharlt pianohacker: it's basically designed to force one to crack open the rather largish binder that is AACR2 in paper form 22:31 pianohacker gmcharlt: Dare I ask what your assignment is? 22:04 chris have fun ;) 22:04 * gmcharlt wanders off to dig through AACR2 for an assignment 22:03 chris *nod* this is true 22:03 hdl_laptop But so many deep changes occurred that I reckon going smoothly would really had been a miracle 22:02 chris cool 22:02 hdl_laptop I had some conflicts between biblibre-integration and new-Acq... 22:01 hdl_laptop we shall publish that branch as soon as it has been well tested 21:54 chris maybe ill do a wiki page and post a link to that 21:53 chris speaking of which i need to do a post about the public git repos i know of 21:53 hdl_laptop yes. 21:53 gmcharlt hdl_laptop++ # and make sure you post a note to Koha ML afterwards about it 21:49 hdl_laptop had no time on that 21:49 hdl_laptop It is. 21:49 chris excellent 21:49 * hdl_laptop prepared coderun for tomorrow 21:49 chris i hope its helpful :) now get some sleep :) 21:48 hdl_laptop chris : thanks a lot 21:43 cait_laptop good night #koha 21:29 pianohacker Yup 21:28 chris that is actually really handy :) 21:26 munin` pianohacker: A meeting name used as a main entry in a bibliographic record. [a,c,d,e,f,g,j,k,l,n,p,q,t,u,4,6,8] 21:26 pianohacker @marc 111 20:42 richard hi brendan 20:42 brendan hi richard 20:38 richard hi pianohacker,. chris 20:37 chris hiya richard 20:37 pianohacker Hi 20:37 richard hi 20:02 chris back 19:18 pianohacker cya 19:17 chris right and now time to catch a bus, bbiab 19:02 brendan was holding a sleeping baby for awhile and now that's made me tired :) 19:01 * brendan time for a nap 19:01 * chris grabs some breakfast 18:59 brendan heya pianohacker 18:59 pianohacker Hi brendan 18:59 brendan hi chris 18:59 chris hi brendan 18:42 pianohacker Yup 18:41 chris wow garry collum is the bug fix king 17:55 pianohacker Good morning, Katrin 17:55 cait good morning chris and pianohacker 17:53 pianohacker Good morning, chris 17:53 munin` chris: The operation succeeded. 17:53 chris @later tell hdl_laptop i did some work on the tests for virtualshelves, it is passing most of them now, will finish it today 14:20 cait you know self check out is thought to be used by patrons at a station, staff will prefer intranet checkout 14:19 cait there are currently no other themes for koha that I know of 14:19 cait doctormo: sorry, havent seen your question 13:13 doctormo So have you seen any good looking self checkout themes? possibly using ajax? 13:13 cait :) 13:13 doctormo Yes it does work with the barcode 13:12 doctormo Aye, type_id vs item_id, 13:12 cait does it work with the barcode? 13:12 cait isbn is no help when you have more than one item, the barcode identifies every item 13:11 cait yes 13:11 doctormo Yes, got it, it wants the "barcode" not the ISBN 13:11 cait so you are in the self checkout? 13:10 doctormo It doesn't show on the self checkout page, 13:09 cait is a library set? (is shown in the top right corner of the screen) 13:09 doctormo yep 13:08 cait sounds a little like web self checkout. are you in staff? 13:08 cait uh 13:08 cait library for staff set? whats the message you get? 13:08 doctormo "Sorry, This item cannot be issued at this station." 13:07 cait itemtype and barcode set? 13:07 doctormo huh, I wonder what's wrong then 13:06 cait you can leave them empty when importing items 13:06 cait you dont need a withdrawn status for checkout 13:06 doctormo At the moment I can't check anything out because my items have no withrawn status. 13:05 doctormo hmm, I could do with some good Authorized values, does anyone have a good scheme for them? 12:02 doctormo Now that it's updated, the MARC/File/SAX.pm error is still present, advice please 10:52 Ropuch ;> 10:51 chris ahh, so just waking up :) 10:50 doctormo Actually in boston, but I'm british 10:49 chris im guessing you are in europe somewhere? 10:49 chris no problem, hope it all works out for you 10:45 doctormo thanks chris, you've been ahuge help 10:40 chris sudo make upgrade 10:40 chris make test 10:40 chris make 10:40 chris perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log 10:39 chris nope 10:39 doctormo Should I just run the make and make install again? 10:39 doctormo So I've downloaded the new version 10:35 Ropuch But switching the C4/Charset.pm to one from 3.0.2 seems to be working 10:34 Ropuch s/seatch/search 10:34 Ropuch I've had a problem with unicode in z3950 seatch in 3.0.3 10:34 chris its right in the middle of having a pile of things cherry-picked to it 10:34 doctormo ok 10:33 chris nope 10:33 doctormo So i'd be going from 3.0.2 to 3.0.3, although I'd rather go to 3.0.4 right now, is it ready to use considering I don't have it in production? 10:31 chris and it will be easy 3.0.x to the 3.2.0 when its released, hasnt been tested yet (it might work fine, wouldn't bet on it yet) 10:30 Ropuch Between 3.0.x and 3.0.y it's no problem at all 10:28 Ropuch Easy 10:28 doctormo how easy is it to upgrade these systems? 10:28 chris or if you arent in production yet, you could run from master 10:27 chris well 3.2.0 when its been released 10:27 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=7f7dfa0a11dd5d983deca2c18715b5126a11b12c 10:27 doctormo Or is it very unstable? 10:27 doctormo Not to 3.2.0? Keep up with git version? 10:26 chris yep, go to 3.0.3 or wait for 3.0.4 10:26 doctormo sounds like I should upgrade tot he latest version, your thoughts? 10:24 chris http://www.nabble.com/Error-when-appending-record-to-a-biblio-td25076037.html 10:23 chris http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/administration/catalog-administration/authorized-values 10:23 doctormo Can't call method "append_fields" on an undefined value at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/MARC/File/SAX.pm line 92. <- or right, that's what went wrong last time, sorry 10:22 chris authorised values 10:21 doctormo So I did add item types already, it's all those other drop downs, "Withdrawn status", "Lost Status" etc 10:20 doctormo :-) good to hear 10:20 doctormo Your interface is always your first documentator. 10:20 chris but the sysprefs have been totally overhauled 10:19 chris oh i was meaning the documentation 10:19 doctormo The enhanced features seem hidden, and that you have to press save on each setting per change seems tedious. 10:19 chris they are and they aren't :) 10:19 doctormo chris: Well the first 4 sections I managed to do because the website it's self suggested that these be added in order. the Z39.50 Client targets were important and yet it seems like they aren't 10:17 chris we are always open to suggestions how to make the documentation easier to use 10:16 doctormo I am going through the manual, but it's very bookish. Not that I shouldn't be surprised, but as a structural thinking it's hard reading. 10:15 doctormo Oh well there was a slight difference in those js, but updating that one file didn't seem to help just now. 10:14 chris http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/administration/basic-parameters/item-types 10:13 chris you have found the manual eh? 10:13 chris yep 10:12 doctormo hmm, anyway I'm also trying to add a holding but all the drop downs are empty. Seems I need to add status types. 10:12 chris is the js that actually does the stuff 10:12 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/opac-tmpl/prog/en/js/google-jackets.js 10:12 chris but afaik google hasnt changed only amazon 10:12 chris its what is soon to be 3.0.4 10:11 doctormo I take it that that is running 3.0.0? 10:11 chris 2nd book on the list, is getting one from google 10:10 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=test 10:09 doctormo Because it does exist, with images and everything on that API 10:09 doctormo http://books.google.com/books?id=vpTAq4dnmuAC&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=9780596100469&source=bl&ots=AOP7E-JbAB&sig=xv5eW3hZMM2m8VKssdnW5-_ZjM4&hl=en&ei=wsSsSq7gNcG2lAf_1NXMBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false 10:09 doctormo Is there a way you can do a manual check? 10:07 chris :) 10:06 doctormo ISBN:9780596100469 10:06 doctormo var NO_GOOGLE_JACKET = _("No cover image available"); <- well that pretty much clears that up 10:04 chris if you view source you should be able to see the link it is trying to call, could you paste thta in? 10:04 chris cool 10:04 doctormo Oh for sure, I added via the isbn 10:03 chris the book has an isbn in the catalogue eh? 10:02 doctormo Negative, although the browser is making a request to books.google.com, so perhaps it's trying 10:01 chris hi Ropuch 10:01 chris and see if that makes it work 10:00 chris try disabling amazon 09:59 Ropuch Morning 09:59 doctormo I do 09:59 doctormo Then it mustn't be working, this Python in a nutshell book should have a cover on google, unless I should disable amazon 09:59 chris you have the googlejackets syspref set to yes? 09:59 |Lupin| have a nice sunday 09:58 |Lupin| bye all 09:58 chris i have actually tried them lately, but yes i would expect they would 09:58 doctormo OK, so what about the google book covers, surely they work? 09:57 doctormo heh, I feel like I've picked an inopertune time 09:57 |Lupin| 3.2++ !! 09:57 chris it seems my internet is back 09:56 chris or, 3.2.0 (with that change and a lot of new features) wont be far behind it 09:56 chris so if you can wait a couple of weeks, we should have something out 09:55 chris one of which is the change for amazon 09:55 chris hdl and I are just finishing backporting bugfixes from master, in preparation for 3.0.4 09:55 doctormo koha-3.00.02 09:54 chris (which version of stable 3.0.3?) 09:54 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=54f7ca4d3b528324b127df4bebf3e05a08830235 09:54 doctormo oh, interesting, I'm using stable of course 09:53 chris2 amazon recently changed their TOS, and we had to change the code 09:53 |Lupin| chris2: will think about it ! :-) 09:53 chris2 what verson of koha are you using doctormo ? 09:52 doctormo Question: I'd like to enable book cover images, but the amazon and google enhanced settings don't seem to work. Any advice on what I should try? 09:52 chris2 you could not send it and make |Lupin| Enterprise Koha instead :-) 09:51 chris2 |Lupin|: thats a bugfix, so it would be included i would expect 09:51 |Lupin| cait: but the feature does not work in other places... the syspref is not taken into account to generate the links 09:50 |Lupin| cait: ah yeah that was mentionned to m perhaps by chris 09:49 cait I think opacbaseurl is used for a feature nicole did - links from staff title to opac 09:48 |Lupin| chris2: if I can send a patch making the opacBaseURL and staffBaseURL work before 3.2, do you think it'll be included ? or is it already too late ? 09:46 |Lupin| cait: ok, that's encouraging :-)) thanks ! 09:44 cait lupin: so not really a help 09:44 cait lupin: sorry, tried to change it once and did not work :) 09:43 |Lupin| cait: any int about the syntax used in the isbd system preference ? 09:05 |Lupin| one f these situations where I feel sorry for not being a librarian myself 09:04 |Lupin| oh yes ? 09:01 chris2 i just cut and paste :) 09:01 chris2 |Lupin|: i think its some library standard thing :) 09:00 |Lupin| chris2: ok 08:59 chris2 them xslt files :) 08:55 |Lupin| chris2: who was your "them" referring to ? 08:55 |Lupin| chris2: while we are talking bout this... I was wondering whether the syntax to use in the isbd syspref is documened somewhere ? I'm not familiar enough to understand it just by reading the content of the syspref... 08:54 chris2 but you would want to translate them :) 08:54 |Lupin| chris2: ok 08:54 chris2 just because you wont have to mess with the scripts 08:53 chris2 id use XSLT 08:53 |Lupin| chris2: ok. I ssume one starts with not using XSLT and modifying templates, and if one notices that it's not flexible enough, then it means it's time to turn on XSLT and do the modifications there. correct ? 08:52 chris2 for the opac, it depends if you have the sysprefs set to use XSLT or not 08:50 |Lupin| chris2: regarding the OPAC, how do I know whether it's XSLT files or templates I have to modify ? 08:50 |Lupin| chris2: ahah. ok. 08:49 chris2 you might have to modify code and templates for staff side 08:49 |Lupin| chris2: also, you were mentionning modifying xslt files to have things displayed correctly. Is that true only for OPAC, or is the display in staff client also controled by XSLT files ? 08:48 |Lupin| chris2: ok, thanks a lot 08:47 chris2 there are plenty who could, i think nahuel and hdl are practised at doing it now, but I could take a look if no one else has time 08:46 |Lupin| chris2: If I'm able to specify precisely what we'd need, do you think someone in the community could help with the plugin ? who ould you recommend me to ask ? 08:46 |Lupin| chris2: right... 08:45 |Lupin| chris2: still, somehow I have the insight it should be possible to do things in a non-js-dependent way. After all it's just putting a user in a MARC field, the user is already known... 08:44 chris2 to do it without, you would have to edit templates and scripts 08:44 |Lupin| chris2: ok 08:44 chris2 hmm i think all the plugins currently depend on js im afraid 08:40 cait hi chris and lupin 08:40 |Lupin| chris2: and the plugin would fil in the user info ? Would that need some js or could that be done without, according to you ? 08:39 |Lupin| hi cait 08:39 chris2 hey there cait 08:39 chris2 a plugin, you would create a framework (or modify one) and the set up plugins for the fields you have set up 08:38 |Lupin| chris2: ok. But where would the data come from ? Would I have to use a plugin to fill-in the fields ? or modify he Perl scripts themselves ? 08:36 chris2 and then edit the XSLT files to show them 08:35 chris2 i guess you would just have to use some local use MARC fields 08:31 |Lupin| chris2: actually for the dates it's ather easy, because items have two associated with them, so I can re-use the fields. The problem is more with users... 08:31 |Lupin| chris2: I'm wondering how these information could be imported in KOha, where to put them... 08:30 |Lupin| chris2: in the old system, we kept for each format (so for each item) the date of first upload, date of last modification, user who did the first upload and user who did the last modification 08:29 |Lupin| chris2: so in you digital library, I think we will have one item for each format we have for a given book 08:29 |Lupin| chris2: thanks :) 08:28 chris2 sure :) 08:28 |Lupin| hi jransom 08:28 |Lupin| chris: may aI bug you a few minutes with item-related questions ? 08:28 jransom hi all 08:28 |Lupin| chris: seems to be a working one !! :) it's ok, just installed Koha on my laptop to play with it at home... 08:27 chris2 hanging in there |Lupin|, hows your weekend going? 08:27 |Lupin| hi chris, how are you ? 08:27 chris2 heya jransom 08:27 chris2 hi |Lupin| 08:27 |Lupin| hi there 08:26 phasefx_ coool 08:26 chris2 we have one each, and one for the kids 08:26 chris2 yeah we have separate lists ;) fatso lets you have queues 08:26 phasefx_ fair warning, my wife was less amused with the movie :) 08:25 * chris2 puts it on his fatso.co.nz list 08:25 phasefx_ gosh, it was in color, so probably the latter 08:24 chris2 hmm that one, or the 1975 madmax like one? 08:21 * phasefx_ thought this was funny, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_and_His_Dog_%281946_film%29 08:21 chris2 its been years since i saw it, i should find it on dvd 08:20 phasefx_ that seems nutty/fun :) 08:16 chris2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quiet_Earth_(film) 08:16 chris2 there was a movie i remember 08:15 chris2 interesting, ill have to look it up 08:14 phasefx_ I tried to find it just now, but couldn't. I could have swore Margaret Weis co-wrote it 08:14 chris2 hmm weirdness on my vpn, what was the title of the book? 08:14 phasefx_ but maybe not their internet 08:09 phasefx_ one of the books I read, New Zealand was the only place that survived after aliens attacked 08:06 phasefx_ chris: just sick :) slept all day, and can't sleep now. Hmmm.. WOW.. I'm paying for that; should play it :D 08:05 chris phasefx_: is there any reason you are awake late, WOW, everquest, children? 07:54 chris (i know you were joking) 07:54 chris phasefx_: well ben ide is from univ of hartford 07:54 chris hehe 07:54 chris i wonder if i should ask if he is speaking as a waldo rep 07:54 phasefx_ where's WALDO? *ducks* 07:51 nicomo yeah, I saw the comment 07:51 chris that was pleasant 07:51 chris to be greeted by someone from waldo criticising the community on my blog in the morning 07:50 chris yeah, got back late last night 07:50 nicomo back from your trip south? 07:50 nicomo hi chris 07:50 chris hi phasefx_ and nicomo 07:33 pianohacker Good night, #koha 07:25 pianohacker Heh 07:25 phasefx_ yeah, slept all day. Sleep patterns out of whack :) 07:24 pianohacker You're up even later than I am, if whois is accurate 07:24 pianohacker Hello 07:23 phasefx_ hi folks 07:19 nicomo hi pianohacker 07:18 pianohacker Good morning 07:18 pianohacker Blergh 07:18 nicomo hello sunday morning and all 03:47 chris kinda close to a C in spanish i think 03:30 pianohacker Hmm. The Maori K sound is rather rough 03:16 chris or at least has an mp3 of it 03:16 chris http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/culture/maori-language-week/100-maori-words#marae 03:15 chris but this page tells you how to pronounce it 03:15 chris http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/culture/maori-language-week/100-maori-words 03:14 pianohacker Koha is conspicuously missing from Sep 6 03:14 chris the today in history part of this site is really fun 03:13 pianohacker cool 03:13 chris speaking of history, http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/timeline/13/9 02:46 chris :) 02:35 pianohacker It's history and english, so it'd be pretty extra curricular 02:35 pianohacker No, unfortunately 02:32 gmcharlt are you getting any academic credit for your Koha work? 02:32 chris hehe 02:31 pianohacker Heh. In this case the school building would be my house, so double the trouble :) 02:31 gmcharlt have you learned nothing? ;) 02:31 gmcharlt pianohacker: you're supposed to run away before they drop the school building on you 02:30 pianohacker chris: Pretty crushed with school, but otherwise good 02:30 * chris_n2 heads off to saw logs 02:23 chris hows the weekend going? 02:20 pianohacker Hey, chris 02:20 chris hiya pianohacker 01:52 chris_n2 hehe 00:56 chris well i feel a lot better now, its amazing how therauputic playng trains with your son can be