Time Nick Message 00:00 hdl_laptop current .... ???? 00:00 hdl_laptop I mean, 00:02 hdl_laptop a) looks like we have not been interested enough to provide ppl with comparison operators. 00:03 gmcharlt now I'm really confused - what do search comparison operators how to do with OPAC displays? 00:04 hdl_laptop Nothing. 00:05 hdl_laptop But you seemed to discuss use of Z3950 as an underlying search/retrieve protocol. 00:05 hdl_laptop Never mind. 00:05 hdl_laptop I'd have rather go to bed. 00:10 pianohacker Good night 00:14 gmcharlt g'night hdl_laptop 00:15 hdl_laptop see you. Thanks for your patience 00:17 richard hi 00:18 pianohacker Hello 00:23 richard hi pianohacker 01:06 chris hi IrmaCalyx 01:55 brendan good night 01:58 pianohacker good night, brendan 02:33 chris_n2 g'night 03:14 Amit hi chris, brendan 03:14 Amit good morning #koha 03:14 chris hi Amit 03:20 pianohacker Good night 04:39 chris hi magnusenger 04:43 magnusenger hi chris! 04:57 Amit hi magnusenger 05:01 magnusenger hi Amit 05:50 Amit hi kf 05:57 kf hi Amit and good morning #koha 07:50 hdl_laptop hi 07:55 kf hi hdl 07:56 hdl_laptop hi kf 08:12 kf we currently work on our first patch to koha - I managed to create a .patch-file yesterday 08:12 kf can I send this file with my email client to patches mailing list? 08:15 chris git send-email 08:15 chris is the nice way of doing it 08:20 kf yes, but I have to create the patch on my laptop, wich has not internet connection 08:21 chris hmm how were you going to email it? 08:21 chris copy it to another computer? 08:22 kf wanted to do that yes 08:22 chris another linux computer? 08:22 chris cos if so you can just git send-email on it :) 08:22 kf also that we can use the company email address, dont want to use my private one (wich is not subscribed anyway) 08:22 kf no windows :( 08:22 chris ahh well git-send email lets you change the address its from 08:22 kf or ubuntu without git installed (and im permitted to install something there) 08:23 chris you can send it from a mail client 08:23 kf not permitted. 08:24 chris that works, just doesn't make a as nice as email 08:24 kf I think we can do it with git send-email next time, but its vacation time now 08:24 kf creating the patch on my private laptop 08:25 kf I will try to copy all neccessary information to the mail 08:25 kf bbl 08:55 bigbrovar . 09:03 chris hi Kivutar and paul_p 09:04 Kivutar hi chris and all 09:04 * paul_p and Kivutar at Drupalcon ... 09:04 chris i see your patch kf 09:04 chris ahh cool 09:04 chris josh waihi is tweeting 09:05 paul_p today is more a coderun than a conference. 09:05 chris http://twitpic.com/g2j9j 09:05 kf chris: hope its ok, my boss did the programming 09:06 chris looks fine to me at first glance 09:07 kf chris: just helped to create the patch and to send it away. It looks really nice for the Hebrew, Japanese and Russian records from LOC I tested. 09:08 chris excellent it will make a lot of people happy then :) 09:17 paul_p chris: do you know when josh w speaks ? and what is the subject of his conference ? 09:20 * paul_p can't find josh waihi on conf schedule :( 09:26 chris he is speaking twice 09:26 chris look for ones about postgresql 09:29 chris fiasco 09:29 chris that's who to to look for 09:30 chris http://paris2009.drupalcon.org/session/developing-postgresql-tips-tools-and-tricks 09:30 chris is one 09:31 bigbrovar chris: morning chris just to confirm dev meeting is 1900 hours UTC today? 09:31 chris yep .. so in 10.5 hours 09:33 bigbrovar aight thanks 09:34 chris paul_p: http://paris2009.drupalcon.org/user/52/my_schedule2 09:39 bigbrovar chris: so to stree you on this but i have really googled it and cant figure out how to add users to koha .. 09:39 chris how to migrate them? or just how to add them? 09:41 chris http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/patrons/add-new-staff-patron/ 09:42 bigbrovar add them we dont have any library system to migrate from in the first place .. although we have an ldap server with users not sure how that can be integrated to koha 09:42 chris http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/patrons/add-a-new-patron 09:43 bigbrovar oh users are called patrons .. ahhhhh thanks .. i owe u a beer (or your favourite beverage ) 09:44 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:ldap 09:44 chris yeah, patrons is what they are called in america (members in nz) 09:52 paul_p "users" or "readers" in France 09:52 * paul_p suspects patrons being a usa-ism 09:52 chris yep 09:53 kf same in Germany - Benutzer = user and Leser = reader 09:54 chris http://translate.koha.org/en_NZ/opac3_0/ 09:54 chris translates patron back to member :) 09:59 chris evening jransom 10:06 jransom evening mr cormack 10:06 jransom you get me email? 10:06 jransom me=my 10:07 chris hmm nope 10:07 chris when did you send it? 10:07 jransom just now 10:07 jransom richard stallman is coming to levin to talk about koha and kete 10:07 chris oh wow, really 10:07 jransom 6th oct 10:07 jransom save the date 10:07 chris thats pretty cool 10:07 chris will do 10:08 jransom :) 10:08 jransom and he is probably going to do a public talk on cc and community 10:08 chris cool 10:08 chris hes doing the copyright one at lianza 10:09 chris make sure you say free software not open source :) 10:09 jransom copyright and community in the age of digital networks 10:09 chris ahh sounds like the same one as lianza 10:09 jransom yep - will have to watch tht! 10:09 jransom might be a dry run then ! 10:09 chris did you send to my work or bigballofwax address? 10:09 jransom work 10:10 jransom brenda has set it up 10:10 chris yay brenda 10:10 jransom sent it to bigball too 10:10 chris ta 10:10 chris did you see that paul_p ? :) 10:11 jransom imagine him coming to our little library .. 10:11 paul_p nope, thanks to point this to me ;-) 10:11 paul_p my question: what can RMS say about Koha 10:12 paul_p I mean koha specific. I bet he will just speak of licence & freedom & all that kind of things (as usual) 10:12 chris he will in his general talk 10:12 jransom i think he interested in talking to us about koha and kete 10:12 chris yes 10:12 jransom his tallk wont be about koha 10:13 chris he is coming to hear about koha/kete .. and also give a talk 10:13 chris 2 different things .. is tht right jo? 10:13 jransom yep - exactly. 10:13 jransom coming for the visit 10:13 paul_p jransom: when Koha won "trophee du libre", in 2003, he was a member of the selecting team 10:13 jransom but if we want him to talk he will while he is here 10:13 paul_p jury ? (french only ?) 10:14 chris no jury is right 10:14 paul_p so, he knows at least a few things about koha. At least 2003 koha :D 10:14 jransom ah - cool 10:14 chris we can get his opinion on with holding code from the community 10:14 chris and how to deal with it 10:14 chris :-) 10:14 jransom lol 10:14 jransom gosh - i bet he has an opinion on that 10:15 chris that will be both linus and rms who have heard about koha :-) 10:15 jransom you might be able to get a photo with RS too! 10:17 paul_p time to go to lunch. kivutar is hungry... 10:17 chris hehe yeah :) 10:17 chris i showed you my one with linus eh? 10:18 jransom yes chris - you have. 10:18 chris :) 10:18 jransom i think you attach it to every email you send out :) 10:18 chris hehe 10:19 jransom back to work tomorrow 10:19 jransom been home sick - + 3 kids 10:19 chris so koha worked ok ? 10:19 jransom spose so .. 10:19 chris i guess so, or i woulda heard aobout it 10:19 jransom havn't heard otherwise 10:19 chris should be able to send the loaner back 10:19 jransom so are now running on the new servers? 10:19 jransom fantastic. 10:19 jransom i'll getthat back tomorrow 10:20 jransom they will be pleased 10:20 jransom its damnnear second hand now though... 10:20 jransom anyway - not our problem. 10:22 chris yep switched it over last night 10:22 jransom great stuff. 10:22 chris so if no one even noticed, thats a raging success :) 10:23 jransom indeed it is. 10:27 jransom right - bedtime. 10:27 jransom talk tomorrow. 11:57 chris_n g'morning #koha 11:58 gmcharlt good morning 11:58 gmcharlt good afternoon 11:58 gmcharlt and good evening 11:59 chris_n lol 12:05 jwagner and good night 12:05 gmcharlt jwagner++ 12:06 jwagner Or, to be Edward R. Murrow-ish about it, Good Night and Good Luck 12:08 Amit hi galen, jwagner 12:08 gmcharlt hi Amit 12:08 jwagner Hi Amit 12:12 chris_n hi Amit 12:12 chris_n hi jwagner 12:13 kf hi gmcharlt and jane wagner 12:15 Amit hi chris_n 12:16 * chris_n greets kf 12:17 * chris_n suddenly realizes he is working on the wrong branch :-P 12:17 * kf greets chris_n 12:17 jwagner and hi to all 12:19 |Lupin| hello ! 12:19 Amit hi lupin very late 12:54 owen hdl_laptop? 12:55 hdl_laptop yes 12:55 owen Hi. 12:55 owen I read in the logs you mentioned "patches owen sends which load some jquery code into database" 12:56 owen I don't know what you're referring to 13:00 * owen is happy to see Galen and Debra Denault mentioned in Marshall Breeding's Library Technology Update today 13:02 hdl_laptop Good. 13:03 hdl_laptop owen: I just saw your patch about additionnal search. 13:03 hdl_laptop (detail page) 13:03 hdl_laptop And I thought it was great to have that kind of stuff parametrized. 13:04 hdl_laptop But also a pity not to be able to translate the strings. 13:05 owen Are you referring to nengard's patch? http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=8f2d9cd6cef4cb97b8292a32f178525ea40ae7c8 13:07 hdl_laptop sorry for blaming you unfair ly. 13:08 owen That's okay :) 13:09 owen I think Nicole's solution was the best available given the current architecture of system preferences 13:09 owen Otherwise we'd need to create a whole management system for those links 13:11 jdavidb @quote random 13:11 munin jdavidb: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 06:36 PM, July 06, 2009) 13:12 owen I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say. 13:14 jdavidb @quote add <owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say. 13:14 munin jdavidb: The operation succeeded. Quote #28 added. 13:14 owen :P 13:14 jdavidb :P , owen 13:14 jdavidb I'm a little slow on the uptake today, but when you hand one out that's *that* obvious... 13:15 kf :) 13:27 chris_n gmcharlt: what is the goal of spinelabel-print.pl ? 13:28 paul_p chris_n: printing spine labels maybe ? :D 13:28 chris_n lol ;-) 13:29 chris_n it does not produce pdf output 13:29 chris_n so I'm wondering just how effective it is with differing spine label media 13:30 chris_n if the goal is simply to be able to feed in a barcode and get out a label, then I'll just duplicate that functionality 13:30 chris_n well, it helps to read the commit messages.... sometimes. :-) 13:32 chris_n ahh, dedicated label printers... I think I'll leave it alone for now. 13:41 bigbrovar chris + 1 for freesoftware 13:54 |Lupin| bigbrovar: do chris++ if you want to increase his karma... :) 13:55 * chris_n rates testing code only a notch above writing POD 13:55 chris_n on the scale of fun things to do, that is 14:03 bigbrovar lupin: thanks 14:04 bigbrovar chris_n++ 14:12 |Lupin| pls 14:12 |Lupin| someone knows how to drop some keys in mysql ? 14:27 chris_n |Lupin|: do you want to drop them completely or just disable them temporarily? 14:34 |Lupin| chris_n: drop them completely 14:34 nicomo_laptop kf: around? 14:34 |Lupin| chris_n: disabling I know actually, but not dropping 14:35 kf yes 14:35 kf trying to sort my mailbox before vacation :) 14:35 chris_n |Lupin|: something like 'ALTER TABLE some_table DROP FOREIGN KEY some_key_name;' 14:35 nicomo_laptop eh eh, I'm trying to do the same *after* my vacation 14:36 nicomo_laptop about bug 3551 14:36 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3551 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, patron able to place hold on book he already has 14:36 nicomo_laptop I'd like to have more info about the "feature" part of it 14:36 nicomo_laptop how do you anticipate patrons to use it as is? 14:37 nicomo_laptop it's just I can't think of a real world use for it 14:39 |Lupin| chris_n: hmm would that work even if the keys are not oreign ? 14:41 kf nicomo_laptop: I share your opionion that it should be changed, but I think chris said some libraries may want it that way so it should be an option 14:42 kf perhaps so can put another volume on hold 14:42 nicomo_laptop ah /me turns to chris_n then 14:42 kf like checked out volume 1 and want to read volume 2 later 14:42 kf chris without _n 14:42 nicomo_laptop too many chris' in here 14:43 nicomo_laptop chris around? 14:43 nicomo_laptop ah no 14:43 nicomo_laptop 3am there 14:43 kf I think he is asleep now :) 14:43 nicomo_laptop probably not :-) 14:43 nicomo_laptop ok, I'll ping him on this tomorrow 14:44 nicomo_laptop even in your exemple, the patron can do just that holding items 14:44 nicomo_laptop so I'm not quite sure, maybe he'll have a good rationale for it though, we'll see 14:44 nicomo_laptop thanks kf 14:45 kf nicomo_laptop: sorry, I dont remember his arguments - but conclusion was: write an enhancement request (which is still on my list, but you were faster :) ) 14:58 |Lupin| question for librarians: assume you have a home-made record in a catalogue, and you find a better record, say, at the national library of your country. Is it possible with Koha to replace the home-made record by the one from the national library, please ? 15:05 owen It's easy to do if the better record can be found with z39.50 15:05 owen Just open the old record, do a z39.50 search, and import the record you find. 15:08 |Lupin| owen: ah ok, thanks. Unfortunately the z39.50 server of our national library is terribly slow. NO other way ? 15:12 owen |Lupin|: I suspect you could use the MARC import tool as well. There are options for how to handle matched records during the import process, but you'd have to be sure the two records matched on whatever point the import tool looks at 15:12 owen I'm not very familiar with it 15:13 |Lupin| owen: ok, thanks a lot for the pointer 15:15 |Lupin| owen: so the import tool (is it stage MARC records for import you are mentionning, actually) applies some rules to see whether the imported records create some duplicates with already existing ones ? 15:17 owen To my understanding, yes 15:22 |Lupin| owen: ok, tanks 15:24 |Lupin| and I assume if a more refined merging is required, one has to do it "manually", I mean there are no tools that can help in Koha... Am I right ? 15:26 owen Not that I know of, but I don't know what's coming from paul and hdl_laptop for 3.2 15:26 * owen heads out to a meeting 15:27 hdl_laptop |Lupin|: something arinve to merge two biblios 15:38 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: great ! can you be a bit more precise, or is it too early ? 15:39 hdl_laptop mmm a little too early atm 15:41 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: ok 15:42 |Lupin| just a quick question to all 15:42 |Lupin| I have added a fiew virtualshelves to the database 15:42 |Lupin| I think I did it manually because of accessibility problems 15:42 |Lupin| hey don't appear in the staff client when one logs n as the owner of the shelves 15:42 |Lupin| any idea what may have been done wrong,pls ? 16:10 |Lupin| Is there some psysperf that should be turned on so that the virtual shelves work, pls ? 16:12 kf there is one for virtual shelves 16:13 |Lupin| ahah, thanks kf 16:15 |Lupin| kf: set to 1 here, should work;;; 16:18 kf hm 16:46 |Lupin| do the lists have to contain one element to be displayed in the staff clietn, or should they be displayed even when they are empty ? 16:53 |Lupin| hey Jese 16:53 |Lupin| (pia) :-) 16:53 pianohacker Hi, Sébastien 16:53 |Lupin| (pianohacker) :-) 16:54 |Lupin| pianohacker: I'm having a problem with Koha lists... I have created two of them and still, when I log in to the staff client as the user that has created them, they don't appear 16:54 |Lupin| pianohacker: any idea abut what goes wrong ? 16:54 pianohacker Do they appear under Public Lists, under Lists in the staff interface? 16:56 |Lupin| no, it says there are no lists... 16:56 |Lupin| btw the interface still calls them virtual shelves... assume it's normal ? 16:56 pianohacker Probably a bug :) 16:57 |Lupin| hmm ? 16:57 |Lupin| surprising... 17:16 kf bye #koha - officially on vacation now - yay :) 17:16 pianohacker Bye, have a good vacation 17:16 kf thx, will attend irc meeting tomorrow - but still -vacation yay :) 17:21 |Lupin| pianohacker: I just examined the code and tried the SQL requests: they give back the expected result. Any idea what else could be checked ? 17:22 pianohacker Hmm. What kind of lists did you make them? Private, Public, or Open? 17:24 |Lupin| privae 17:24 |Lupin| private 17:25 |Lupin| pianohacker: private 17:25 pianohacker Do they show up if you log into the OPAC as that staff user? 17:25 |Lupin| pianohacker: let me check 17:26 |Lupin| pianohacker: yes they do !! 17:26 |Lupin| pianohacker: so it's just in the INtranet they do not appear... perhas it is because they are still empty ? can hardly believe that... 17:27 pianohacker No, that shouldn't be it 17:27 |Lupin| pianohacker: okk. Anyway, well spotted, thanks a lot. That's at least oone place where they can be accessed from, much better than nothing ! 17:27 pianohacker If you look at the HTML source, is there any sign of them? Could be a glitch in the display 17:28 |Lupin| pianohacker: I can check, but in the opac it clearly says there are no lists 17:28 |Lupin| pianohacker: although the sql requests seem correct, as I said. 17:28 pianohacker Yes 17:29 pianohacker I thought you said the OPAC was working? 17:30 |Lupin| pianohacker: yeah the OPAC is working 17:30 |Lupin| pianohacker: it's just in the staff client they are not shown 17:30 |Lupin| pianohacker: no trace of them in the staff client page's source code 17:30 pianohacker Do the lists show up at all in the HTML for the staff side? 17:30 pianohacker Ah 17:30 |Lupin| pianohacker: no 17:31 pianohacker You answered my question as I asked it 17:31 |Lupin| pianohacker: yeah I think I understood it a bit late... 17:32 pianohacker Okay. There are two tabs on the staff Lists interface; the list doesn't show up on either of them (verifying) 17:33 |Lupin| pianohacker: since I'm using lynx it is hard to give a correct answer to this one 17:35 pianohacker Ah 17:36 |Lupin| pianohacker: when I go to cgi-bin/koha/virtualshelves/shelves.pl, there are two links: your lists and then Public virtual shelves. And then come two messages: NO private virtual shelves. No public virtual shelves. 17:37 pianohacker Does anything show up on the staff client if you create a public list? 17:37 |Lupin| pianohacker: let me try that. 17:38 |Lupin| pianohacker: yes, the public one appears. 17:40 pianohacker Are you logged in as kohaadmin? (grasping at straws) 17:41 |Lupin| pianohacker: yeah I'm logged in with a super libraian account 17:41 cait superlibrarian or root? :) 17:41 |Lupin| cait: super librarian 17:41 |Lupin| cait: no root in Kha... 17:41 pianohacker But not the MySQL account 17:41 cait yeah, thought that 17:42 |Lupin| ah no 17:42 |Lupin| personal account with superlibrarian priviledges 17:42 pianohacker Okay. I'm pretty much at a loss; can't duplicate the problem... 17:42 pianohacker Does it appear with a normal staff user? 17:43 |Lupin| pianohacker: since they are private lists;.. should they appear in the first place ? 17:43 pianohacker They should appear for that staff user, yes 17:43 |Lupin| pianohacker: ok 17:44 |Lupin| pianohacker: do you know how to check at the database level that an account is not superlibrarian, pls ? 17:44 pianohacker The flags column in borrowers is a bit mask; if that column is odd, the borrower is a superlibrarian 17:46 |Lupin| pianohacker: bit 1 of flags, ok, thanks 17:48 |Lupin| pianohacker: k, tried with a non super librarina staff client. Can't see the list, neither in staff client nor in Opac, went to the Manage lists page. 17:50 pianohacker Huh. Confirmed that adding Private lists is buggy with non-JavaScript browsers 17:50 pianohacker Can't add a private list in w3m 17:51 |Lupin| pianohacker: hmm 17:51 |Lupin| pianohacker: in lynx things are different 17:51 |Lupin| I could add the list 17:51 |Lupin| lists 17:51 pianohacker Well, I can add it 17:51 pianohacker It just doesn't show up 17:51 |Lupin| they did show up in the database 17:51 |Lupin| it's just they are not show up in staff 17:51 pianohacker It also doesn't show up in Firefox 17:51 |Lupin| but well, perhaps not such an important issue.. 17:51 pianohacker Annoying, though 17:52 |Lupin| pianohacker: do you have them in your db ? 17:52 |Lupin| pianohacker: yep, but not the only thing that doesn't work correctly without js 17:52 pianohacker Yup 17:52 pianohacker Yes... 17:53 |Lupin| pianohacker: cause if you have them in the DB, then aI'm wondering if you can see any difference between these lines and those yu have for lists added with js-aware browsers 17:55 pianohacker I can't figure out why it would be breaking at first glance 17:55 |Lupin| pianohacker: ok, maybe we have to wait and the solution will become obvious later... 17:56 pianohacker yes 17:56 |Lupin| pianohacker: anyway, many thanks for your help, good quesitons that lead to a fairl precise description of the problem ! 17:56 |Lupin| thanks a lot for that !!! 17:56 pianohacker No problem. Sorry I couldn't fix it 17:59 |Lupin| pianohacker: common ! I'm pretty sure we will discover soon you have done nine tenth of the path if not more !! 17:59 pianohacker It is nice to know what you're trying to fix 18:02 |Lupin| pianohacker: thanks a lot for your support, it is very appreciated and very encouraging 18:02 pianohacker Not a problem 18:02 pianohacker Which reminds me 18:02 pianohacker sekjal: around? 18:08 bigbrovar hi guys so i have done most of the configuration for my koha server, only area left is how to populate the database with u know .. books .. now before now the librarian in my school used a tool called cutter to get the author number and then cross checks the book for its classification in the ddc website. and input all this data to a spreedsheet (OO.o) now am looking for a way to import the work done in this spreedsheet into koha .. but am at a loss on ho 18:08 bigbrovar w to go about this 18:08 pianohacker Any luck with MarcEdit? 18:09 sekjal I'm here, pianohacker 18:09 bigbrovar oh yeah am using it right now (using it with windows Virtualbox) 18:09 sekjal sorry, been looking at all kinds of screens lately 18:10 pianohacker sekjal: Have you considered simply importing the serials as items, then using a perl script to copy the necessary serials information after import? 18:11 bigbrovar but i dont know how it work.. i exported the spreedsheet to csv .. but i have not used MarEdit before and dont know how to go about it :( 18:11 sekjal some of my issues do have item records, and those have been imported as such. 18:12 pianohacker bigbrovar: I believe that if you search the mailing lists, there is a guide to importing from CSV 18:12 sekjal for the issues that are only in the 'checkin' records, I suppose I could modify my stylesheet to convert them into MARCXML 952, provided I can fill the data in all the right places 18:12 bigbrovar pianohacker: thanks will do that now 18:12 pianohacker sekjal: That might be the easiest way to do it. No standard way to import serials that I know of 18:12 pianohacker bigbrovar: Good luck 18:13 owen pianohacker and |Lupin|, do I need to review the virtual shelves system for no-js issues? 18:13 * owen just skimmed the backlog 18:13 bigbrovar pianohacker: thanks i need it .. more of a generic sysad no nothing about libraries and their methods :) 18:14 |Lupin| bye everybody 18:14 pianohacker owen: Possibly. It looks to be a very strange issue, so fun fun fun ahead 18:14 pianohacker Bye, |Lupin| 18:16 bigbrovar pianohacker: searching produced some promising report .. going thru them now 18:21 * sekjal mulls over pianohacker's suggestion... hmmmm 18:34 rhcl @seen wizzyrea 18:35 munin rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 3 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> but maybe not 18:35 rhcl harumpf 18:35 rhcl @seen chris 18:35 munin rhcl: chris was last seen in #koha 8 hours, 12 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <chris> so if no one even noticed, thats a raging success :) 18:35 rhcl harumpf 18:35 chris morning 18:35 pianohacker What are you trying to hide, chris? 18:36 rhcl chris! 18:36 rhcl I just stumbled across this link, anybody know anything about the Pioneer Project (poss just in Nebraska)? 18:36 pianohacker timing++ 18:36 pianohacker How are you, chris? 18:36 rhcl http://www.slideshare.net/gmickells/open-source-ils-nebraska-presentation 18:36 chris pianohacker: a server go live, switched servers, no one noticed 18:36 rhcl It's going to be presented here: 18:36 rhcl http://www.nebraskalibraries.org/conference/2009/program.html 18:36 pianohacker Oh, yes. It is nice when things like that go unnoticed 18:36 rhcl If I did a little song and dance my director would let me go, but I'm kinda ambivalent about going. 18:37 chris hmm never heard of it 18:37 owen I don't see it listed in the program 18:37 rhcl Do a word search for pioneer 18:37 rhcl it's there 18:38 owen Oh, pioneer. 18:38 rhcl 11:00 on Friday 18:38 chris so i wonder if they are doing their own, or going with EG or Koha ? 18:39 owen Whatever they're doing they're leaving no tracks on the web 18:39 rhcl Well, that's not clear, but they talk about both EG and Koha, but almost suggest they have something else in mind too. 18:39 chris yeah 18:39 rhcl Maybe I should go and gather some info. 18:40 owen Maybe you should go and bust the place up 18:40 rhcl Well, huh, I suppose I could do that. 18:41 owen Tell 'em next time they oughta pay protection money to Koha or somethin' like that'll happen again 18:41 rhcl So, how much should I collect from them? 18:42 owen Uh... You got me. Anyone else have any experience with protection rackets? 18:43 pianohacker Just charge them in patches 18:43 rhcl hehe 18:43 pianohacker Make them rewrite the fines module or something like that 18:43 owen I think that may violate the Geneva convention 18:44 pianohacker Hehe 18:45 pianohacker Programming it might not be that bad; getting it to match the cryptic requirements of the circ managers will be the inhumane part 18:46 rhcl @seen nicole 18:46 munin rhcl: I have not seen nicole. 18:47 pianohacker @seen nengard 18:47 munin pianohacker: nengard was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 15 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <nengard> okay 18:47 rhcl Nicole added the nebraska group to the Koha ILS group. Whatever Web 2.0 group that might have happened to be. 18:48 chris that might just be cos that presentation mentioned koha though 18:51 rhcl http://www.lincolnlibraries.org/board/agenda01-20-09.pdf 18:53 chris_n *groan* 18:53 * chris_n accidentally squashes two patches that should not have been :'( 18:53 hdl_laptop reset --soft HEAD~1 18:54 chris rhcl: still mysterious eh 18:55 chris_n hdl_laptop: I'm two interactive rebases away from the mistake 18:55 hdl_laptop ooops 18:55 hdl_laptop I sympathize. 18:55 chris_n git is like a cat... if you don't handle it just right you will get scratched 18:59 hdl_laptop badly 19:00 chris hey its hedgesst !!! 19:00 chris ltns 19:00 hedgesst hi 19:00 hedgesst (just lurking) 19:01 tajoli Hi, Koha irc logs is still working ? 19:01 owen Hi neighbor 19:01 hedgesst hey! 19:01 chris they have shifted tajoli 19:02 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today 19:04 chris hedgesst: hows things going? you guys survive the budget cuts? 19:04 hedgesst yep, so far 19:04 hedgesst our cuts landed about a year before the libraries got hit 19:04 cait the irc meeting is not today, is it? 19:05 chris oh sheesh 19:05 pianohacker cait: Nope, tomorrow 19:05 chris stupid timezones 19:05 hedgesst stupid dateline 19:05 cait sorry, chris got me confused :P 19:05 cait and im easy to confuse about timezones 19:05 * owen appreciates gmcharlt's link to the Wolfram Alpha page from the announcement 19:06 tajoli Ok, so the pages http://koha.org/about/get-involved/irc and http://koha.org/support/free-support need an update 19:06 chris lol good luck with that 19:08 * chris emails his work to say no he wont be late today, he will be late tomorrow instead 19:08 cait I feel for you chris 19:08 cait (has some experience with tings like that) 19:10 hdl_laptop chris: hi I have a patch to propose to add xsl files to translations. 19:11 hdl_laptop chris : unfortunately, i cannot get js files into the po. 19:11 chris ahhh 19:11 chris well xsl is good start 19:11 chris tajoli: you could ask on the mailing list 19:11 hdl_laptop (struggled one day for that.) But TmplTokenizer is..... a nigthmare 19:12 chris *nod* 19:12 pianohacker hdl_laptop: Speaking of which. Do you have any suggestions on translating the .pref files? Feature freeze is approaching fast, and I haven't had any epiphanies 19:12 pianohacker hdl_laptop: No kidding 19:13 hdl_laptop pianohacker: can you send some .pref file to me ? 19:13 hdl_laptop Are those TT templates ?? 19:15 chris hedgesst: i was thnkng about you the other day when i was doing some work on the history docs, its nearly 7 years (about a month away) since I first met you and owen in person 19:15 chris time flies 19:16 hedgesst yeah, I work very close to that motel you stayed in when you first arrived in Columbus 19:16 hedgesst it's been torn down now, just a vacant lot 19:16 pianohacker hdl_laptop: http://github.com/pianohacker/koha/blob/prefs/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/preferences/admin.pref 19:17 pianohacker YAML 19:17 chris it wasnt the best motel in the world, probably the best thng that could have happened to it :) 19:17 chris the library near there was neat tho 19:17 hedgesst yes, Grandview Heights 19:19 tajoli Yes, I will ask on koha mailing list about the two pages 19:20 hdl_laptop pianohacker: I thought about the YAML problem. 19:20 pianohacker Might be slightly easier than parsing the templates, as you can use YAML::Syck 19:22 hdl_laptop two choices : use direct gettext over the file and use _('') 19:22 hdl_laptop or use hashes with code languages. 19:23 hdl_laptop So that it could be all in one file 19:23 schuster This spirit of collaboration led to a discussion between Nebraska libraries. Meetings have been taking place talking about an Open Source solution. It has evolved into what is being called the Pioneer Project. The seven libraries that are currently involved in the project represent over 45% of Nebraska’s library users. That number will only grow, especially ahttp://www.mibbit.com/pb/yyx2vi 19:24 schuster Minutes from the Lincoln Library meeting looks like they are trying to build a statewide system similar to Georgia. 19:24 hdl_laptop pianohacker: and then when loading, you could filter the hash valuse you want 19:25 chris yeah the question is whether they are gonna use an existing solution to do that, or write a new one 19:26 chris it would seem pretty silly to me to not use EG or Koha to do that, rather than reinvent the wheel 19:26 pianohacker hdl_laptop: Hrm. That last one is a possibility 19:26 chris but what do i i know :) 19:27 pianohacker The first would be easier, but would involve a lot of copy-paste work 19:28 hdl_laptop maybe you could get internationalisation of the systempreferences from the template. 19:29 hdl_laptop A button 'add translation' which would then store the result into the YAML file 19:29 hdl_laptop Potentially a risk. 19:29 hdl_laptop But also a chance 19:30 hdl_laptop Same system should be done for MARC structure 19:30 pianohacker hdl_laptop: Note that these YAML files are used directly; systempreference descriptions have been taken out of the database 19:32 rhcl schuster: are you in Nebraska? 19:34 owen He's in Texas. You can tell by his ten-gallon hat. 19:34 chris and huge steaks 19:35 chris that was a fun conference 19:35 rhcl Texas Steak Conference? 19:35 chris AKA kohacon09 19:35 rhcl Ah 19:36 rhcl So bacon will be the official food of KohaCon 2010? 19:36 chris hangi 19:36 chris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C4%81ngi 19:37 chris oh utf8 fail 19:37 chris search wikipedia for hangi if that link fails :) 19:37 rhcl But hangi is a method of cooking, right? So you dig a pit and fill it with bacon? 19:38 chris hehe could do 19:38 owen So KohaCon 2010 will be BYOB(acon) 19:38 chris you'll never get that through customs :) 19:39 chris did i show you guys this 19:39 chris http://www.thelibrary.co.nz/ 19:40 chris im gonna see if they want to sponsor a bit of kohacon :) 19:41 rhcl looks like a great place to have an after-session get together 19:42 owen chris, ask if they want to sponsor my plane ticket! 19:43 jwagner And mine! 19:47 rhcl Plane ticket isn't much, see if they want to cover my bar bill. 19:47 chris :) 19:48 chris ok, kahu is eating toast, atarau is back to sleep 19:48 chris my work here is done 19:48 * chris goes to catch his bus 19:49 chris bb in 40 mins or so 20:04 owen Gmail is down, so I'm going to go make sure my fallout shelter is stocked. See y'all in 75-100 years. 20:10 chris_n gmail-- 20:13 wizzyrea gmail-- (lol) 20:13 wizzyrea though, if you connect via imap it's technically fine >.> 20:13 wizzyrea <.< 20:13 pianohacker O_o 20:26 richard hi 20:26 pianohacker Quiet, we're mourning the death of GMail 20:26 pianohacker Long live GMail 20:27 chris back 20:27 chris wizzyrea: offlineimap ftw 20:28 chris syncs all your mail locally 20:34 wizzyrea nah, I'm actually receiving new messages 20:34 wizzyrea but we're on google apps so... 20:37 chris yeah, i still love offlineimap tho :-) 20:40 wizzyrea well yes, it does have it's benefits %^.^ 20:45 * chris_n wearily looks for the mistake among 100 commits squashed to 40 :-P 20:45 rhcl wizzy, to what extent are you on Google apps? 20:48 rhcl http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10323306-264.html 20:52 wizzyrea we use it for all of the things they provide 20:52 wizzyrea so email, calendars, docs, etc 20:52 wizzyrea and yea, we had a brief outage today 20:52 rhcl WE = your office/KS libraries? 20:52 wizzyrea (most people in my office thought it was a relief 20:52 wizzyrea just our office 20:52 wizzyrea nekls 20:52 rhcl icic 20:59 pianohacker Hmm. GMail chat seems to be working through iGoogle, though mail itself isn't 21:01 wizzyrea eya, it's just mail looks like. 21:01 wizzyrea it's all a plot to get us to convert to wave 21:02 chris hehe 21:02 pianohacker oh noes 21:02 Jo Morning 21:02 chris heya Jo 21:03 * chris_n finishes up the label creator re-write... ready to submit 21:05 pianohacker chris_n++ 21:05 chris_n gmcharlt: how does 40 commit sound (down from 122) 21:05 gmcharlt chris_n: good enough for me 21:05 chris_n s/commit/commits/ 21:05 chris_n http://git.foundations.edu/?p=koha.labels_recon;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/labels.recon 21:06 chris_n I'll submit a pull request to patches@ later 21:06 Jo good stuff - I'm looking forward to this 21:06 chris you know git has a cool trick for that too chris_n ? 21:06 chris_n ? 21:06 chris_n what's that 21:06 chris http://galencharlton.com/blog/?p=10#comments 21:07 * chris_n looks 21:10 chris_n chris: I've been doing 'git remote -f -t branch remote_name remote_path' which tracks and forces fetch in one stroke 21:10 chris cool 21:10 chris the request-pull is nice ... makes for a really nice email 21:10 chris_n then 'git branch --track branch_name start_point' 21:10 chris_n I'll try it out 21:11 * chris_n has had a crash course in git over the past week 21:14 schuster see you all tomorrow! 21:14 pianohacker bye, david 21:21 chris_n chris: I must have something messed up w/my repo config as git request-pull borks 21:21 chris_n works fine on my clones however 21:21 chris ah right 21:22 chris well a plain old email will work too ;) 21:34 * chris_n wrestles git to the ground... 21:35 chris_n chris: got it 21:35 chris noice 21:36 chris_n I ended up having to use the md5 from the begin and end commits 21:36 chris ahh good thinking batman 21:52 chris ta si