Time Nick Message 23:36 chris heh 23:36 pianohacker Switching to VPN, you might experience temporary interruptions of pianohacker 23:35 chris wb 23:35 pianohacker back 21:47 rhcl one bigger ticket item was a replacement Bluesocket wireless controller. 21:46 chris all good things 21:46 rhcl yea, first time I've requested money from this program for mostly replacement equipment like monitors and UPSs and surge protectors. 21:45 chris awesome :-) 21:44 rhcl he haw, we just received a 15k technology grant 21:20 pianohacker Off to library, bbl 21:20 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 21:20 chris @later tell hdl i used www::mechanize 21:20 pianohacker Heh 21:19 chris good thinking batman 21:19 pianohacker chris: @ later tell ? 21:19 chris but now ive missed him 21:19 chris ahh www::mechanize 21:00 hdl http://www.eifl.net/cps/sections/services/eifl-foss/ils/case-studies 20:59 hdl Thanks 20:59 hdl time to go to bed. 20:56 hdl chris: In order to automatize web-based tests you wrote or used some external tools can you remind me which it was ? 20:55 hdl I have pushed some updates on reconciliation 20:55 hdl Thanks chris 20:55 hdl It is rather confusing. 20:54 hdl same for all the buttons where you have + 20:54 hdl same for members 20:54 hdl it is for instance when you select some framework on creation of a biblio, 20:42 chris i will email you their answer 20:40 chris hmm, i dont know actually, the I will ask the QA people when they get into work 20:39 hdl Is there a way to make selection work ? 20:39 hdl have you had success with Selenium and Yahoo/ggl like buttons. 20:39 hdl yes 20:38 chris hdl: you still about? 20:38 chris back 20:36 richard hi pianohacker 20:35 pianohacker Hello 20:35 richard hiyas 20:34 * chris_n heads out for a break... ttyl 20:33 chris_n I've had all the POD and test fun I can stand for one day... 20:31 joetho atz 20:27 hdl can't find a way to do it 20:27 hdl Try to record creation of a new record based on the second or third framework. and it fails to select this 20:25 hdl when recording a selenium scenario and then playing it it doesnot work. 20:21 pianohacker What's the problem? 20:20 hdl but I have some issues with selenium and yahoo buttons 20:18 * hdl wrote tests for Budgets 20:17 gmcharlt hdl: on bus still, most likely 20:17 hdl chris ? 20:01 |Lupin| pie: bye :) 20:00 |Lupin| full time come back next monday 20:00 pananohacker BYe 20:00 |Lupin| ok everybody, was nice to chat wth you a bit. time to go to bed now. bye ! till soon ! 20:00 |Lupin| :-) 19:55 * chris_n promises to keep up with POD the next time he does a big re-write... :-( 19:54 chris_n heh 19:54 gmcharlt quick, time for everybody to switch nicks around before chris comes back! 19:53 chris cyers in 40 mins or so, if ppl are still around 19:53 chris ok time to catch my bus 19:49 |Lupin| chris: ok, thanks for the clarificaiton :) 19:48 chris answering list emails 19:48 |Lupin| gmcharlt: I can imagine, especially if you are as involved in the new project than you are in koha, and I imagine you are even more involved 19:48 chris atz++ 19:47 gmcharlt |Lupin|: I have indeed. Things are going well, though I'm very very busy 19:46 |Lupin| gmcharlt: how re things going with your new job ? you have done the change, haven't you ? 19:46 |Lupin| gmcharlt: I find this a very good news, thanks for doing it 19:45 gmcharlt |Lupin|: yes 19:45 |Lupin| gmcharlt: are you gonna be the moderator for this one ? 19:42 |Lupin| I hope I can attend this one ! 19:42 |Lupin| gmcharlt: chis: thanks a lot ! 19:41 |Lupin| I'm in no-mail mode since I'm supposed to be on vacations 19:41 chris beat me 19:41 gmcharlt 2 September - http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09sep02 19:40 chris lemme find it 19:40 chris ahh there was an email 19:40 |Lupin| when is the next general project meeting ? 19:40 |Lupin| I'm wondering 19:35 pianohacker Cool 19:34 chris_n happy catalogers++ 19:34 chris_n my catalogers heartily approve of the work flow in the new labels code 19:33 * chris_n dances a jig on his desk 18:35 |Lupin| s/d/s/ 18:35 |Lupin| that's one of our main problems, I'd day 18:34 |Lupin| :) 18:29 jdavidb Me three. :) 18:28 gmcharlt ditto 18:28 pianohacker Yes, though busy 18:28 |Lupin| hope you are all well ? 18:28 |Lupin| hello galen, pianohacker & jdavidb 18:27 gmcharlt hi |Lupin| 18:26 jdavidb Hi. |Lupin|. :) 18:25 pianohacker Hi 18:25 |Lupin| hello there ! 16:56 pianohacker Indeed! 16:56 jdavidb xkcd++ 16:45 chris_n hehe 16:44 pianohacker chris_n: related: http://xkcd.com/140/ 16:44 * chris_n hates running out of chips before running out of salsa >:-( 16:42 joetho joetho leers at pianohacker 16:41 * pianohacker looks at joetho strangely 16:41 joetho cheer up, Owen 16:40 joetho cheer up, Owen 16:37 * chris_n offers chris some homemade salsa and chips to sooth his sore brain 16:34 chris but my brain hurts now 16:34 chris yeah i really should go back to sleep 16:33 munin pianohacker: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 5.0�C (4:00 AM NZST on August 21, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 16:33 pianohacker @wunder wellington, nz 16:24 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 33.0�C (6:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 16:24 kf @wunder konstanz 16:24 kf guten morgen chris 16:22 chris well its still the night 16:21 owen chris, surely it's only technically morning for you? 16:19 chris_n hi chris 16:17 chris guten morgen 16:16 owen FUD-- >:( 16:16 gmcharlt documentation++ 16:16 gmcharlt chris_n++ 16:16 gmcharlt tests++ 16:14 owen chris_n++ for writing them 16:14 owen tests++ 15:42 pianohacker Ehhh 15:41 chris_n unfortunately that's next on the list 15:41 pianohacker Almost as bad as documentation 15:40 pianohacker Ah, testcases 15:40 * chris_n is bored stiff writing tests for the new labels code :'( 15:40 chris_n err... joetho 15:40 pianohacker Hehe 15:39 pianohacker Hi, joetho, rhcl 15:39 chris_n and mr_rogers 15:39 pianohacker Hi, chris_n 15:39 chris_n and rhcl 15:39 chris_n hey pianohacker 15:39 pianohacker mr_rogers++ 15:39 joetho itsabeautifuldayintheneighborhood 15:37 rhcl_away morning 15:37 pianohacker Good morning 15:17 jwagner I'll take a look & see if I can do it. If so, I'll assign it to myself. Thanks. 15:16 jwagner One of my people has asked about it. I haven't investigated yet, don't know if it's something I can do. But I didn't want to spend the time looking at it if you were already active. 15:16 gmcharlt jwagner: one thing to keep in mind - a bug isn't truly assigned unless its status is 'assigned' 15:15 hdl Do you want the hat ? 15:14 hdl Is this something urgent for you ? 15:14 hdl looks like automatic assignment 15:12 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3203 normal, P5, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, Some Letters template variables are not available to certain notice types 15:12 jwagner hdl, since you're online, a question for you. Bug 3203 shows as assigned to you. Is that something you're actively working on, or is it a bugzilla automatic assignment? 15:09 kf thx hdl, I will look at these fields 15:08 kf ah 15:08 kf hdl: we have this information in holdings data - but as I cant import holdings to koha that way I thought about using a local 9xx field in title 15:07 kf hdl: is 310 not the publication pattern of the serial itself? What I need is a field to put the information which issues are available in the library 14:59 hdl from #code4lib 14:59 hdl (16:59:09) jtgorman: hdl: oh, and 866 14:59 hdl (16:58:34) jtgorman: hdl: there's also the 863/853 fields... 14:59 hdl (16:57:21) gsf: hdl: http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/3xx/310.shtm is that what you meant? 14:59 hdl (16:56:09) zoia: gsf: The current stated publication frequency of either an item or an update to an item. Dates are included when the beginning date of the current frequency is not the same as the beginning date of publication. These data are related to coded data in field 008/18 (Frequency) and 008/19 (Regularity). [a,b,6,8] 14:59 hdl (16:56:09) gsf: @marc 310 14:59 hdl kf : 14:48 kf hdl: running marc21 14:47 jdavidb ...who's to say that it's not dangerous for a smaller vendor, too? 14:46 jdavidb Such hubris was and is bad for the big closed-source vendors, as SirsiDynix is rapidly discovering. 14:45 wizzyrea_ heh, but the people who would benefit from our conversations on the topic aren't here to hear them, and probably don't care. 14:43 wizzyrea_ (fwiw, I'm not saying it's right, just what they tell me) 14:42 wizzyrea_ yea, you just calculate that time in from the start, without really thinking about it 14:42 jdavidb We aren't charging extra for integration--we're writing with the patch in mind from line 1. 14:41 wizzyrea_ (but signs point to yes) 14:41 jdavidb wizzy: I'm thinking we'll put it out there straight, and see how many people scream in horror. 14:41 wizzyrea_ I don't have that information. 14:40 owen If you're coding the feature, you're coding it to work with Koha, right? Unless you're coding it using lots of site-specific, hard-coded stuff. Does the issue arise because some new development isn't written to be generic? 14:40 wizzyrea_ jdavidb are you going to say in the patch notes "this is a bad idea, but here it is" lol 14:40 jdavidb gmcharlt: That's the one. 14:40 jdavidb wizzy: No, it doesn't. It's not like you're writing that feature on a clean page. you're writing on top of HEAD, if you've got any sense at all. Whole new modules? Maybe. Adding features in the current framework? No. 14:40 gmcharlt jdavidb: yeah, if it's the feature (aka security hole) you're thinking of, jwagner and I had already talked about submitting it but leaving it to languish in contrib-land 14:39 wizzyrea_ "it costs X and we'll put it in the project" 14:39 wizzyrea_ yea, it's silly, but apparently it costs a lot to integrate it? Lots of extra time? Idk, in my mind you'd just charge for those hours as part of your quote (transparently or not) 14:38 jdavidb It is absurd, owen. Now, we've got one customer that wants a feature that I *really hope* that gmcharlt rejects. It's a bad, bad idea, but that's what they wanted, so we've done it. And we'll have to maintain it. But we *will* throw it over the wall for everyone else to scream about, too. 14:36 owen it is to any vendor's advantage to integrate their code into the main branch. it save them the trouble of maintaining differing branches. 14:36 owen The notion that one would have to pay specifically for integration is absurd. 14:36 wizzyrea_ (because apparently that's an issue? no idea.) 14:35 wizzyrea_ (FWIW, we insist that our code goes to the project, and we're willing to pay for integration, inclusion) 14:35 jdavidb Hi, wizzyrea_! 14:35 wizzyrea_ yea, some would. Bleh. 14:24 owen I have to say it because some *would* have it another way. :( 14:24 ccurry owen: of course. wouldn't have it any other way. 14:23 owen ccurry: The rest of the world would be grateful if you could insist to Liblime that such development was shared with the Koha community. 14:23 ccurry owen & kf: Thanks for the insight. We're pretty set on koha....so, if my users insist on being able to import periodicals info, maybe we'll commission Liblime to develop something. 14:20 hdl kf: if you are running UNIMARC you have subfields of a biblio for that 14:19 owen Serials management is still an underdeveloped feature, IMO. 14:14 ccurry kf: thanks. We do have this summary information in the MARC records in a note; I was hoping there was some automated way to populate the serials module...it's kind of surprising that there isn't. Some large libraries that have implemented Koha (with thousands of serials) must have wanted to do this... 14:10 kf information like 2003 - current without issues 2003.5 etc. 14:09 kf ccurry: we dont have subscription info but I still have to find out where to put the holdings of the library without adding items and without adding a subscription in serials 14:08 kf I dont think you cant import serials holdings atm - you can import items in 952 and perhaps put your subscription info in local fields in the title 14:08 owen It must be a fairly obscure operation for you to get no response. 14:08 owen ccurry: I suspect such documentation doesn't exist 14:07 ccurry Can someone direct me to documentation for importing serials holdings? The individual bibliographic records for the serials imported, but the records don't show subscription information; I assume Koha uses a different 9xx field than our old ILS. I can't find documentation for this and found only 1 (unanswered) list post about this issue. 13:54 jdavidb Okay! See, you were more help than you thought you'd be. :) 13:54 owen Valid markup, and both a <thead> and a <tbody> 13:53 jdavidb I suppose, then, that the tablesorter expects a nice clean, properly-marked-up table....that's what I need to check on, then. 13:53 owen A trip to the validator should have been one of our first steps 13:53 owen Yeah, bad markup would definitely cause problems 13:52 jdavidb This page has a *lot* of tinkering for this site...I betcha there's something squirrely in the <tr> </tr> structure for the holds table. 13:51 jdavidb yes! if the user has no holds, the tablesorters break for Checkout and Overdue. 13:50 jdavidb Checkouts are the same, although many are overdue in the older data. Now, on the older data, she has a hold outstanding, but on the newer, she doesn't...could that be?... (testing) 13:50 owen I wonder if it's possible for something in the data itself to make the tablesorter choke? 13:49 owen The data in the tables is different? Different checkouts in each example? 13:49 jdavidb Hrm. Thanks, though. 13:49 owen Sorry, no idea what's going on! 13:48 jdavidb I've diffed the entire opac-tmpl/prog/en tree between the two, as well as kohaclone/opac, just to check, and there are no diffs. 13:46 jdavidb yep, cart button seems to be functional. 13:46 jdavidb It seems like something in the table is causing the tablesorter to disappear, maybe. 13:46 owen Is javascript otherwise running properly on the page? Cart button working, etc.? 13:45 jdavidb The same user, on the older data, works fine. 13:45 jdavidb I've got two instances of koha running, with same code...one has slightly-older data, but not by much. But on the *newer* one, the sort buttons on opac-user disappear for the checked out and overdue tables... 13:44 owen You bet. No pressure. 13:44 jdavidb Got a sec? 13:44 jdavidb owen, I've got a puzzler here, and you're Teh Jquery Gawd. 13:31 WillemVdV Great - that explains it all. Thanks a lot. 13:28 owen That shows an example for 000, but it's the same idea. 13:28 owen http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/cataloging/dctn875x_66d8k5prhb.jpg/image_large 13:27 owen Click that and it will pop up an entry form with all the elements labeled 13:26 owen If you're editing a record in Koha, look for a small link to the right of the 008 entry field, "..." 13:25 WillemVdV I don't know about addbiblio.pl, but yes, I use the MARC editor. I've found that a journal only produces the journal logo in the search result if I changed the 008 field to the one copied above, but I'd like to understand the various bits and pieces. I also have single articles to display and they shouldn't come up with the book or the journal logo. 13:21 owen WillemVdV: Are you working with 008 in the MARC editor? addbiblio.pl? 13:19 Ropuch I'm sure there was something before: "..ge.g. book" 13:19 WillemVdV Can someone explain the field 008 to me? The manual says it should have 14 bytes, but in my koha lists they're a lot longer, eg. =008 891013c19769999sa\fx\\\\\\\\0\\\\0eng\d and they seem to influence how the biblio appears in search results, e.g. journal or book logo. Help please. 13:18 Ropuch um.. the first part of your message is missing 13:16 WillemVdV e.g. book or journal logo). Explanation will be appreciated. 12:50 jdavidb Heh. yeah, the "Last seen"...I hadn't realized it'd been that long. 12:49 owen It's going to take a while for anyone to catch up with kados, but his title is defenseless 12:49 jdavidb Couple of good conversations, owen, and you'll catch up to hdl. :) 12:47 * owen is digging chris's IRC stats http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ 12:47 * chris_n greets owen 12:12 chris_n chris about? 12:07 Ropuch morning 12:03 chris_n g'morning 11:48 WillemVdV Thanx kf and gmcharlt, will continue to remove records manually. 10:44 gmcharlt WillemVdV: i.e., load bib records with a Leader/05 = 'd' to signal that they should be removed from the database - no, not currently possible, but wouldn't be hard to add, either 10:44 kf hi Willem, I dont think it's possible, but perhaps one of the developers has an idea how to do or implement this 10:42 kf chris: just saw your patch - thx again1 10:25 WillemVdV Hi, I'm starting to get used to some Koha stuff - now able to import after using MarcEdit. Can anyone tell me whether it's possible to import DELETE requests? 10:19 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 27.0�C (12:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 10:19 kf @wunder Konstanz 10:12 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (3:10 PM IST on August 20, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 10:12 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 09:49 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ 09:03 kf thx chris! 08:41 chris ill send a patch tomorrow 08:39 chris oh on the about page? 08:38 chris i thought i did already 08:36 kf chris: can you add me as translator for German in 3.2? 08:03 Amit_Gupta hi nahuel 08:02 nahuel hi community ! 07:59 Amit_Gupta hi slef ;) 07:58 slef ok, I think life doesn't fit into time available today :-/ 07:57 slef hi kf 07:52 kf hi Amit, chris slef 07:47 Amit_Gupta hi kf 07:33 chris there being anyone on the channel who could poke it :) 07:30 slef joking about which? 07:30 slef back now for me. The <title> tag on the homepage is poor, though ;-) 07:13 chris its back now for me 07:13 chris you are joking arent you? 07:13 chris lol 07:05 slef anyone here about to kick it? 07:05 slef http://koha.org/ same 07:05 slef http://koha.org/support/pay.html is 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable 03:22 brendan hey amit 03:21 Amit good morning #koha 03:21 Amit hi chris, brendan 02:46 pianohacker GOod night 01:53 chris mmm bagels 01:30 chris hehe 01:29 baseballfreak47 oka thanks (sorry about the delay i went to go get a snack WERE OUT OF BAGELS!!!! 01:26 chris so there are a few to choose from 01:26 chris http://penguinppc.org/about/distributions.php 01:25 chris http://penguinppc.org/mac/ 01:25 chris http://penguinppc.org/about/intro.php#hardware 01:24 chris hmmmm maybe debian has a powerpc port lemme look 01:22 baseballfreak47 if not do you know of any versions of linux that will work on a power mac g4? 01:22 baseballfreak47 okay thanks 01:21 chris i havent tried, so don't know for sure 01:21 chris that a definite maybe 01:21 baseballfreak47 hello will koha work with yellow dog linux? 00:39 brendan :) 00:39 owen All sleeping quietly :) 00:38 brendan how's all the little ones 00:38 brendan guess that is good 00:38 owen No, just popping in for the heck of it 00:38 brendan heya owen -- still at work?