Time Nick Message 12:39 jwagner Hi chris -- sorry, been off on another screen. 12:48 gmcharlt jwagner: re your patch for 3532, it appears to be dependant on a prior patch not yet submitted - not seeing where the itemlostloop referred to in the template is coming from 12:48 gmcharlt that, or there's some copy-and-paste stuff from cataloge/detail.tmpl that needs to be trimmed from the patron version 12:51 chris_n g'morning koha 12:53 gmcharlt hi chris_n 12:56 slef can a koha-admin mark Mahalya_Havard@ssss.gouv.qc.ca nomail please? 12:57 hdl_laptop koha or koha-devel ? 13:05 jwagner gmcharlt, yes, I did copy from the detail.tmpl -- is it just the loop part that needs to come out? FWIW, the patch does work fine on my devel system -- the moremember.tmpl displays correctly. 13:10 slef hdl_laptop: koha 13:11 jwagner gmcharlt, just experimented, and most of the loop stuff can come out of the tmpl file. Works with just <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="itemlost" --> 13:11 jwagner <span class="lost"><!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="itemlost" --></span> 13:11 jwagner <!-- /TMPL_IF --> 13:11 jwagner <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="damaged" --> 13:11 jwagner <span class="dmg"><!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="itemdamaged" --></span> 13:11 jwagner <!-- /TMPL_IF --> 13:11 jwagner Do you want me to resubmit? 13:21 gmcharlt jwagner: please 13:21 jwagner OK, will do a bit later -- got a meeting right now. 14:15 jwagner gmcharlt, just sent revised patch -- hope everthing made it through the commit process :-) 14:23 gmcharlt jwagner: cool 14:41 jwagner Got another one in the works for you too, gmcharlt :-) 14:48 jwagner nahuel, online? 14:49 nahuel jwagner, of course 14:49 nahuel :) 14:49 hdl_laptop back from holidays today 14:49 jwagner Could I get a translation? I'm adding a syspref to control display of the my messaging tab in the OPAC? 14:50 jwagner Syspref definition is: If on, enables display of My Messaging tab in OPAC patron account and the email/text message settings in OPAC user update tab 14:51 schuster Galen here? 14:53 owen schuster: use his nick in case his IRC client beeps him when he's mentioned: gmcharlt 14:53 nahuel hdl_laptop, jwagner, Si activé, affiche l'onglet "Mes Messages" dans le compte de l'adhérent à l'OPAC, et la configuration de l'e-mail et du message dans les préférences de l'utilisateur à l'OPAC. 14:53 nahuel hdl_laptop, t'en pense quoi ? 14:55 hdl_laptop jwagner: go with nahuel translation 14:55 jwagner nahuel, merci beaucoup! 14:55 nahuel héhé 14:55 nahuel you're welcome ! 15:05 gmcharlt hi schuster 15:12 jwagner nahuel, it's Bug 3535 -- hope the translated string goes through. 15:12 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3535 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Add syspref to control display of My Messaging tab in OPAC 15:12 nahuel ok 15:13 kf hi nahuel - I saw that renewals can be defined in circ matrix in biblibre's Koha - will this feature be in 3.2? I think its not on the road map 15:13 nahuel kf, Hi, it should, but ask to gmcharlt :) 15:14 gmcharlt kf: it will be added, albeit with a little refactoring 15:14 kf great! 17:04 joetho It's Monday here in Mondayville. 17:29 kf bye #koha 18:00 fredericd Anyone knows what's the difference between tests places in t directory and those found in xt directory? 18:00 pianohacker fredericd: xt seems to be mostly code-correctness related tests 18:01 gmcharlt xt - primarily author tests 18:01 gmcharlt t - functinal and unit tests 18:02 fredericd thks 18:02 fredericd I'm diving into Koha test cases... 18:02 fredericd It's a world... 18:02 fredericd Where would you put a test verifying syspref coherence between languages? 18:02 gmcharlt xt 18:03 gmcharlt fredericd++ # test cases 18:07 fredericd gmcharlt: It's related to my attempt to deal with your 3 weeks old demand of a test case on bug 3226... 18:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3226 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, jmf@liblime.com, RESOLVED FIXED, Extended characters aren't always properly displayed on resultat page when XSLT is on 18:07 fredericd I have first to understand test cases :-) 19:35 chris morning 19:37 gmcharlt hi chris 19:38 jwagner morning, chris 19:52 chris off to catch the bus 20:42 richard hi 20:42 pianohacker Hello 20:44 chris back at work 20:45 pianohacker Good morning 20:45 pianohacker chris++ # by the way, like the new About page 20:45 chris cool 20:56 chris_n and pianohacker 20:56 pianohacker Hi, chris_n 20:57 chris heya chris_n 20:57 chris and wizzyrea 20:59 Jo Morning all 21:00 chris hi Jo 21:10 wizzyrea hi everybody :) 21:11 pianohacker Hello 21:11 owen What's up wizzyrea? 21:12 wizzyrea oh, just wishing that today were more weekend 21:12 wizzyrea there was not enough to go around this time 00:31 chris @quote random 00:31 munin chris: Quote #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.... eventually, ye shall stop asking." (added by gmcharlt at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009) 00:56 Elven_Thief i've got a question about the independantbranches option... 00:56 Elven_Thief does enabling that affect the Marc record matching systems? 00:57 Elven_Thief say I'm importing data from 2 libraries and they have the same book - if it would match by one of my rules, does it prevent matching because this option is turned on? 00:57 chris i dont think so 00:58 chris i think it will still match 00:58 Elven_Thief ok. 00:59 Elven_Thief how about identical barcodes? can I get away with that? 00:59 chris nope 00:59 chris items.barcode has a unique constraint on it, 00:59 chris actually let me check that 01:00 chris ohh nope, it no longer does 01:00 Elven_Thief well, i'm not too worried about the constraint in SQL and more worried about the import tools 01:01 chris well the constraint in SQL would trump whatever the import tools do anyway 01:01 Elven_Thief right right 01:01 chris so now that constraint has been removed, you might be able to get away with it 01:02 Elven_Thief well, i know the import tools are catching matching barcodes from different marc sets (each one from a different library) and basically not adding those data items 01:02 Elven_Thief er just items 01:02 Elven_Thief i'm going to run a few tests and get back here if i have more questions 01:02 chris even if you could insert them, the more important thing would be if circulation handled them properly 01:03 Elven_Thief right 01:03 chris rather than you ending up with items you cant ever issue 01:03 Elven_Thief well, i'm also worried about items never getting imported as well 01:03 chris i *think* and i might be wrong, that circulation assumes uniqueness of barcodes 01:05 Elven_Thief ok 01:05 * chris checks the GetItem subroutine 01:05 Elven_Thief what file is that in? 01:05 chris C4/Items.pm 01:05 Elven_Thief rgr 01:05 chris its what C4/Circulation.pm uses 01:05 chris given a barcode, to get the item 01:06 Elven_Thief ok. yeah. it appears that matching barcodes belonging to different libraries will be ignored on input 01:06 chris yeah it doesnt seem to do anything other than 01:06 chris SELECT * FROM items WHERE barcode = ?" 01:06 Elven_Thief ok 01:06 Elven_Thief er import, not input 01:06 chris and then return the first row 01:07 chris so if you wanted to have duplicate barcodes, that would need to be changed to take a library code as input as well 01:07 Elven_Thief yeah 01:07 brendan @wunder 93117 01:07 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.9�C (6:04 PM PDT on August 17, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Falling). 01:07 Elven_Thief that or batch process a prefix to the barcodes and hack the library code into the matching system 01:08 chris yeah, thats the other option 01:08 chris or another option :) 01:08 chris you in the US Elven_Thief ? 01:08 Elven_Thief yeah 01:09 chris west coast im guessing? 01:09 Elven_Thief central, actually 01:09 chris wisconsin? 01:09 Elven_Thief yeah 01:10 Elven_Thief i had a friend say "you know linux. help me set this up for my school district" 01:10 chris ahhh 01:10 chris you know of scls ? 01:10 chris http://www.scls.info/ 01:11 chris http://scls.typepad.com/link2koha/ 01:11 Elven_Thief nope 01:11 chris they are in the process of migrating to Koha 01:11 chris dunno if they are near you or not 01:11 chris but they have a bunch of librarians, who might be able to help with library type questions :) 01:12 * chris is in nz .. everything is pretty near here ;) 01:12 Elven_Thief they are near me, but the school district has a competant person who can answer my questions 01:12 chris sweet 01:13 chris i was more thinking koha librarian questions, that your librarian might even have :) 01:13 Elven_Thief it's just digging into the system and figuring out the ways of updating barcodes, item types and holdings. 01:13 Elven_Thief ah 03:35 Amit hi chris, brendan 03:35 Amit good morning #koha 03:49 brendan hiya Amit 03:49 brendan anything new 03:50 Amit no 03:50 Amit brendan: from your side 03:50 Amit brendan: I am planning for doing MLsc. 03:51 brendan nothing at the moment 03:51 brendan sleep soon :) 04:47 brendan good night #koha 05:29 kmkale Good morning all 05:43 greenmang0 kmkale: good morning :) 05:43 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 05:43 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 27.0�C (10:40 AM IST on August 18, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 05:43 kmkale GM greenmang0 05:44 kmkale are you in Mumbai? 05:44 greenmang0 kmkale: yeah... 05:45 greenmang0 kmkale: you must have guessed it by mumbai's temperature ;) 05:45 kmkale greenmang0: cool. I am in Thane on the border on Mumbai ;) 05:45 greenmang0 kmkale: oh.. i thought in pune 06:47 kf morning #koha 07:48 chris hi kf (and everyone else) 07:49 kf hi chris 07:49 kf there is a German Koha library: http://public.opac.battern.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 07:50 Amit hi kf 07:50 chris oh cool 07:51 chris wow thats an old one alright 07:51 Amit kf: i think this is koha-2.2.9 07:51 Amit version 07:51 chris 1.2.3 07:51 chris circa 2002 07:51 Amit oh! 07:52 kf there is not much information, its located in a pharmacy 07:52 chris yep, i remember now 07:52 chris http://www.qype.co.uk/place/656077-St-Vitus-Apotheke-Muenchen 07:53 kf you remember? 07:54 chris i had seen this before 07:55 kf ah :) 07:55 kf I thought you were there 07:56 chris well i have been to munich ... maybe i walked past it :) 07:57 kf :) 08:25 nahuel good morning & night @ all ): 08:25 nahuel :) 08:47 kf good morning nahuel 08:50 hdl_laptop hi 13:36 Ropuch Hello 13:39 brendan morning #koha 13:40 Ropuch afternoon 13:40 Ropuch ;> 13:40 brendan well I guess morning here :) 13:40 Ropuch I won't argue 13:42 Ropuch Anybody familiar wih AuthDisplayHierarchy variable? I wonder what it shuold do 14:04 ccurry I used bulkmarcimport.pl to import bibs and auths; everything worked well, except links between bibs and auths. Every one of my authority records says "0 biblio(s)" in the "Used in" column. Can someone point me to documentation that will help me resolve this issue? 14:11 hdl_laptop Ropuch: I al 14:11 hdl_laptop am 14:11 hdl_laptop In fact, I wrote it 14:12 hdl_laptop ccurry: Links between authorities and bibs are not automatically set. 14:12 ccurry Oh, yeah. Also used bulkauthimport.pl, then indexed all using rebuild_zebra.pl. 14:12 hdl_laptop ccurry: you have to use a tool for that. 14:12 Ropuch hdl_laptop: I've found it in syspref in form of sql insert statement 14:12 ccurry Aren't they...? 14:12 ccurry Great! 14:12 ccurry Can you point me to it's likely location? 14:13 ccurry its* 14:13 hdl_laptop in order to set $9 to authid number in bibliorecord. 14:13 hdl_laptop build_authorities.pl 14:13 hdl_laptop in misc/migration_tools 14:14 hdl_laptop or misc/link_bibs_to_authorities.pl 14:14 ccurry didn't see that (using 3.0.1); how about /usr/share/koha/bin/link_bibs_to_authorities.pl 14:15 ccurry ah...you just said that. 14:15 ccurry Thanks. 14:22 nahuel http://www.google.fr/insights/search/#q=koha&cmpt=geo 15:17 ccurry hdl_laptop:(et al) Running link_bibs_to_authorities.pl now, but getting repeated error "CCL parsing error (10014) Right truncation not supported ZOOM at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 237." Can anyone translate this for me? The script doesn't have a status indicator, but I assume that only some bibs are throwing this error (maybe because there are no related authority records?). ... 15:17 ccurry ...Thanks for your time. If this error indicates that the script is not running properly, I'd like to nip it in the bud. 15:19 hdl_laptop ccurry: which marcflavour are you using ? 15:19 hdl_laptop ccurry: which configuration are you using for authorities ? 15:19 hdl_laptop DOM or GRS-1 ? 15:21 ccurry hdl_laptop:marc21; don't know the answer to the second question...the authority records were included in the same .mrc export from our old catalog. Are there distinguishing features to each configuration that I'd be able to pick out? 15:23 hdl_laptop DOM shouldbe the best suitable choice for you if you are to use HEadings with authorities in MARC21. 15:40 ccurry hdl_laptop: are you saying that the error message I saw is related to the authority record configuration? 15:41 hdl_laptop It is related to the zebra configuration for your authorities. 16:05 ccurry hdl_laptop: can you point me to documentation that explains configuring zebra to use dom? I found the config files (zebra-authorities.cfg, zebra-authorities-dom.cfg, et al.), but cannot see how these files could be changed to use dom instead of grs-1. 16:05 ccurry hdl_laptop: or is this a syspref change? 16:26 ccurry anyone?:can you point me to documentation that explains configuring zebra to use dom? I found the config files (zebra-authorities.cfg, zebra-authorities-dom.cfg, et al.), but cannot see how these files could be changed to use dom instead of grs-1. 17:32 wizzyrea @quote random 17:32 munin wizzyrea: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009) 17:33 jdavidb lol 17:33 jdavidb Hi, wizzyrea! :) 17:34 wizzyrea hehe hi 18:17 pianohacker Good, well, afternoon 18:18 jdavidb Howdy, pianohacker. 18:18 pianohacker Hallo 18:25 * owen files an enhancement request for a pony to go along with wizzyrea's Bug 3538 18:25 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3538 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain@biblibre.com, NEW, Create additional templates for staff client for maximum accessibility 18:26 wizzyrea ooh ponies! 18:26 jdavidb Everyone likes ponies. 18:26 * wizzyrea ducks 18:26 pianohacker And a new red bike, with the racing stripes! 18:27 * wizzyrea wants fancy ajax happiness, but must appease the accessibility gods 18:28 owen I don't think a separate set of templates is the solution, except maybe for some very specialized interfaces like addibiblio 18:28 owen Everything else should degrade gracefully 18:29 owen I'd rather see individual bug reports for instances which don't degrade gracefully 18:36 wizzyrea well ok, i'll delete it then. 19:08 jdavidb Hrm...is there something that can be set in a bib or item rec that can cause something to be un-searchable, hidden, though you can still get at it from the reservoir list? It's got a biblionumber, but it's just *not* searchable! 19:10 gmcharlt jdavidb: it's an indexing problem - there's nothing to completely suppress a record from *staff* searches 19:11 jdavidb Okay. That narrows things down somewhat. 19:11 jdavidb Zebraqueue shows it *got* indexed...I'm thinking of resetting "done" to zero, and rebuilding with -v on, see what happens. 19:12 gmcharlt yup 19:15 jdavidb I'll be. Worked, that time. 19:15 jdavidb (But, I'm not going to manually do that every time they add bib records!) 19:19 gmcharlt jdavidb: are you cronning rebuild_zebra for regular index updates? 19:19 jdavidb yep. 19:21 jdavidb Hrm. When I -v'd the cron, I got the extract, but *no* indexing output. Sounds like it's having trouble finding zebra? 19:22 gmcharlt PATH issues? 19:22 jdavidb possibly. 19:23 jdavidb PERL5LIB is defined, as is KOHA_CONF...that much looks right. 19:25 jdavidb zebraidx is in /usr/local/bin, and that's plausible... 19:26 gmcharlt not necessarily for a crontab, though 19:26 jdavidb *nod* 19:27 ccurry Can anyone explain to me why running link_bibs_to_authorities.pl would return the following error: CCL parsing error (10014) Right truncation not supported ZOOM at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 237? hdl_laptop told me it had something to do with zebra's authorities configuration (DOM vs GRS-1), but I can't figure out how to configure this correctly. Koha 3.0.1 on Debian Lenny,... 19:27 ccurry ...MARC21 records. Thanks. 19:28 ccurry A pointer to documentation would be sufficient. 19:29 ccurry By the way, the script finishes with the following result: http://pastebin.com/d423ac9ec 19:30 jdavidb sure enough, gmcharlt. Something is munging PATH in the case of cron jobs....grrr. 19:36 gmcharlt ccurry: do you know if you installed using DOM or GRS-1? If you don't know offhand, grep your koha-conf.x l for zebra-authorities.cfg and let me know if it references zebra-authorites-dom.cfg or zebra-authorites.cfg 19:36 gmcharlt or rather, grep for 'zebra-authorities' 19:37 ccurry I already looked at koha-conf, and now that I think about it, I did choose DOM during the installation. 19:38 gmcharlt hmm - which is what you want since you're using MARC21 19:38 ccurry gmcharlt: koha-conf references zebra-authorites-dom.cfg, so it appears the config is correct. 19:42 gmcharlt ccurry: OK - if you can shoot me an example MARC bib and authority from your config (preferably a pair that has mathcing headings, natch), I 19:42 gmcharlt I'll test locally 19:44 ccurry gmcharlt: Thanks: do you need the original MARC records I imported or would records copied from koha work; they shouldn't be much different I suppose. 19:45 gmcharlt ccurry: either will work 19:45 ccurry gmcharlt: great! just a sec. 19:51 ccurry gmcharlt: sorry for the wait; my import files are huge, so it'd take forever to find a matching pair in there and I'm having trouble getting a straight MARC display of the authority record without tabs an such. I'll keep poking around. 19:52 gmcharlt ccurry: ok 19:54 * chris wanders off to catch his bus 20:02 ccurry gmcharlt: can't get the data I need in the right format and I may have discovered another problem. Thanks anyway. 20:03 * pianohacker is about ready to throw his computer and its confusing problems with empty URL parameters against the wall 20:14 * chris_n empathizes with pianohacker 20:16 pianohacker How's your labels rewrite going? 20:25 chris_n pianohacker: just debugging a migration script to take the db from the old tables to the new 20:25 chris_n existing db's I should say 20:26 pianohacker Cool 20:26 chris_n tomorrow I'll migrate the production koha here and let my catalogers have a whack at it 20:27 chris_n I still have to tidy up, fix the broken tests I wrote at the beginning, finish POD and fix updatedatabase.pl 20:28 chris_n maybe end of this week first of next it will be ready for submission 20:28 gmcharlt chris_n++ 20:30 richard hi 20:30 chris_n then I'll move on to finishing up the patron card tool 20:30 chris_n hi richard 20:30 richard hi chris_n 20:30 * chris_n heads out to find food 20:45 chris made it 21:00 wizzyrea ok I need an opinion: is this change one that would be appropriate for the community (or partial, like the note about which fields show on the transit slips). I have done this local to our install using jquery, but I'm trying to decide whether to submit a real change to the templates for the changes http://screencast.com/t/wqeNqdyuzQN 21:08 * chris looks 21:08 pianohacker I like the transit slip note 21:08 chris yes 21:08 chris id submit that 21:09 chris cos then its translatable 21:09 pianohacker Not sure about the primary/alternate change; I know atz has mentioned that Europeans tend to use those literally; personal email is the employee's home email, and work email is a contact at their workplace 21:10 chris yeah, but it will be translated for them anyway :) 21:10 * chris has an en-NZ translation of the opac and intranet 21:11 chris the default is all americany anyway 21:11 chris so making it more americany isn't a problem IMHO 21:11 chris since we can just have regional translations 21:11 pianohacker Ahh, good point 21:38 pianohacker brb, going to work 21:48 wizzyrea Hmm good points all 21:48 wizzyrea i think I will add the transit slips notes. 21:48 wizzyrea it's trivial to change the labels 21:48 wizzyrea (with jquery) 21:48 wizzyrea I miss atz 21:49 wizzyrea @seen atz 21:49 munin wizzyrea: atz was last seen in #koha 5 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <atz> it kindof ignores that the developer might not be writing the specs, and the buyer might not even use the software 21:49 wizzyrea ./sob 21:50 chris he's having a well deserved holiday, im sure we will see him again 22:46 digitalfredy hi chris , i continue working for win implementation of koha in a University in Colombia :) 22:46 chris cool 22:48 digitalfredy chris, i am searching the implementation guide 22:48 digitalfredy i see it some das ago 22:48 digitalfredy but not remember where is 22:49 digitalfredy yes i find it 22:49 digitalfredy :) 22:49 digitalfredy check list 23:12 pianohkr|work Glad we could be of service