Time  Nick       Message
11:57 hdl_laptop done.
11:52 hdl_laptop doing this straight away
11:51 gmcharlt   hdl_laptop: please
11:51 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: sysprefs do you need them to be sent via email ?
11:49 Kivutar    ask me if you need help
11:48 Kivutar    gmcharlt: I forgot I had it on my blog http://blog.kivutar.me/2009/06/10/0/
11:41 gmcharlt   Kivutar: ok, thanks
11:41 Kivutar    It is on our private wiki, so I should send you by mail
11:40 gmcharlt   if nothing else, can running it through babelfish
11:39 gmcharlt   Kivutar: that's OK - I'd like the link anyway
11:39 Kivutar    I did, but in french
11:38 hdl_laptop but Kivutar wrote some page on how to connect to SOPAC.
11:37 gmcharlt   (whew!)
11:37 hdl_laptop I don't have any help  ilsdi.tmpl.
11:37 gmcharlt   and lastly, documentation of how to hook up SOPAC to Koha
11:37 gmcharlt   need documentation of Koha's implementation of the API
11:36 gmcharlt   yes
11:36 hdl_laptop do you want me to send you ?
11:36 gmcharlt   the ilsdi.tmpl is still missing (did it ever exist?)
11:36 gmcharlt   main issues are - syspref (I just need the SQL script updates, I do the updatedatabase and slot it in)
11:35 gmcharlt   ok
11:35 hdl_laptop nothing more.
11:35 gmcharlt   and may be easier for Jean-Andr? to develop against that branch
11:35 gmcharlt   unless there's more pending in the queue for SOPAC, probably ready to push soon
11:34 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt
11:34 gmcharlt   hdl_laptop: hi
11:34 hdl_laptop here.
11:34 munin      gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
11:34 gmcharlt   @later tell hdl_laptop got a biblibre-sopac integration branch at git://git.librarypolice.com/git/koha-rm.git (also: http://git.librarypolice.com/?p=koha-rm.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/biblibre-sopac)
11:22 gmcharlt   hdl_laptop: about?
10:15 gmcharlt   hdl_laptop: thanks
09:38 chris      hands too :)
09:37 chris      heh, not having much luck :)
09:33 hdl_laptop later tell gmcharlt SOPAC_integration branch updated
08:53 chris      will do it next time the bot sees him do something
08:53 munin      chris: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
08:53 chris      @later tell
08:53 chris      that will do it straight away
08:52 hdl_laptop @tell gmcharlt SOPAC_integration branch updated
08:52 munin      hdl_laptop: downloading the Perl source
08:52 hdl_laptop @later gmcharlt SOPAC_integration branch updated
08:52 munin      hdl_laptop: I suck
08:52 hdl_laptop munin : tell gmcharlt SOPAC_integration branch updated
08:52 hdl_laptop tell gmcharlt SOPAC_integration branch updated
08:50 chris      yay :)
08:49 kf         chris: I just tested with borrower location = permanent location = current location - it works :)
08:40 kf         back
08:33 hdl_laptop chris yes
08:24 chris      that was what toins was working on eh?
08:23 hdl_laptop but still alpha and no devs.
08:23 hdl_laptop but was developped in xul and well adapted for UNIMARC.
08:22 hdl_laptop or they could use opencataloger which is not as powerfull and friendly as biblios
08:09 chris      thanks, i just wanted to check i wasnt missing something simple
08:07 chris      i think i will recommend that they dont at this time, unless they have the funds for the work to add unimarc to biblios
08:06 hdl_laptop (nonetheless, MARC212UNIMARC is not roundtrip)
08:06 chris      yeah
08:06 hdl_laptop And taking all the values from UNIMARC format would require much more time than simply processing UNIMARC to MARC21 back and forth.
08:05 hdl_laptop yes... many xsl are hardcoded.
08:05 chris      *nod*
08:04 hdl_laptop but adapting to unimarc would be quite ressource demanding.
08:04 chris      im doing some work for a UNIMARC library, and they wanted it integrated with koha, but i dont think it will work with unimarc without a lot of work
08:03 chris      yep
08:03 hdl_laptop tried for usmarc it is quite helpfull
08:02 chris      have you ever tried biblios?
08:02 hdl_laptop yes
08:01 chris      hdl_laptop: you about?
08:00 chris      hehe i didnt do anything :)
07:59 kf         have to leave no for the meeting - but thx chris!
07:59 chris      :)
07:59 chris      ah
07:59 kf         current location is borrowers location, but permanent isn't - so it may be a configuration problem
07:56 kf         will do more tests later
07:56 kf         seems to be a problem with current location and permanent location
07:54 kf         I m sorry
07:54 kf         with another user
07:54 kf         I tried everything I could think of yesterday to put this item on hold :( and now it works
07:54 kf         ok, dont look at it
07:51 kf         I have a short talk about dokuwiki in ten minutes - will be back soon (I hope)
07:50 chris      right he's asleep
07:27 kf         I dont want to steal too much from your time this late
07:26 kf         thx chris - just thought you could test it (because you sure have a current head installation) - so that I can file a bug if you can repeat it
07:25 chris      but i have to put kahu to bed first
07:24 chris      ok, ill check waht the code is doing
07:24 kf         yes
07:23 chris      ?
07:23 chris      so if you only havfe one item, and its checked out, you cant place a hold
07:23 kf         librarian interface works fine
07:23 kf         no in Opac, sorry
07:22 chris      thats in the librarian interface eh?
07:22 chris      sure sounds like a bug
07:21 kf         hmm?
07:21 chris      hmm
07:16 kf         check in second item, delete it - no hold can be placed :(
07:16 kf         hi hdl
07:16 kf         its current head - well, patched on friday
07:15 hdl_laptop hi
07:15 kf         I can place a hold, when I add a second item and check it out, so that both items are checked out
07:15 kf         I cant place holds on titles with one item and allowOnShelfHolds OFF and OpacItemHolds OFF
07:14 kf         can you test something for me? I m not sure if its a bug or a configuration problem
07:14 kf         morning chris
07:14 chris      evening
06:02 brendan    :)
06:01 brendan    thanks -- taking a look now
06:01 hdl_laptop http://delicious.com/laurenthdl/vim
06:01 brendan    vi
06:00 hdl_laptop which kind vi ? perl ?
05:58 brendan    anybody got a favorite online resource for RegEx (find and replace) ?
04:22 brendan    priceless :)
04:21 chris      http://www.urlesque.com/2009/08/10/squirrel-photobomber-steals-the-scene/
04:21 chris      oh laugh at squirrels
04:19 brendan    :P
04:19 pie        sometimes you gotta laugh at yourself, best way to get through the day :D
04:17 brendan    it's funny what amuses me these days :)
04:17 brendan    hi #koha
04:17 chris      heh
04:17 brendan    whoops -- wrong screen there
04:17 brendan    harry potter
03:43 brendan    hey amit
03:21 Amit       hi jo, pie
03:21 Amit       good morning koha
03:21 Amit       hi chris, brendan
02:47 chris      cool
02:47 johnson    i'll just dig in
02:47 johnson    and the 3.2 roadmap
02:47 johnson    yes, i've seen the bug reports
02:43 chris      stops people doubling up
02:42 chris      its a good idea to register an bug, marked enhancement there
02:42 chris      and if you have a new feature you want to work on
02:42 chris      bugs.koha.org has a ton of things people would like to see, or little (or big) bugs
02:41 lamiette   learn by doing :) always fun
02:41 johnson    break the thing a few times and see what happens
02:41 chris      looks like a fun one :)
02:41 munin      04Bug 3516: enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, Display picture of patorns in OPAC
02:41 chris      http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3516
02:41 johnson    that's what i'll do, then
02:40 chris      easiest thing, is pick something you want to work on, and jump in
02:39 johnson    chris: where do you recommend I start with getting familiar with Koha's architecture?
02:14 chris      i wonder if anyone has tried to get biblios working with unimarc before
02:14 chris      ack well that might be a hurdle, or more a brick wall
22:30 Wizzyrea_  (seems like an opportunity to learn something :P)
22:30 Wizzyrea_  that one would take me longer to figure out, but I'm willing to give it a go
22:29 atz        the nice thing about that jquery approach is that it doesn't have to build any kind of tablesorter index at load time
22:29 Wizzyrea_  hmmm yes that idea has merit, especially since what they really want is to sort by logged in branch first
22:29 atz        etc
22:29 atz        AUX - 2 (show only, hide)
22:28 atz        MAIN - 3 (show only, hide)
22:28 atz        Items per branch:
22:28 atz        Might throw in a jquery control box for filtering the table display.  Like:
22:27 Wizzyrea_  it's merely annoying with most bibs, but it's really obnoxious with a serial title
22:27 Wizzyrea_  and 26 libraries
22:27 atz        yeah, a lot of things are exploded by serials
22:26 Wizzyrea_  it gets confusing, for example, with items like serials, where you have zillions of items
22:26 Wizzyrea_  yea, if you only have one library
22:25 atz        and that makes sense to the adder of items
22:25 atz        a few different things make sense... table order is actually pretty useful in additem, since it will be chronological order
22:22 Wizzyrea_  yea,it makes more sense in the OPAC so I may just take a look at how that works and duplicate that on the staff side.
22:22 gmcharlt   I think atz has it
22:19 atz        could be just the order they appear in the items table... not sure
21:46 Wizzyrea_  cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl
21:44 Wizzyrea_  cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl
21:36 chris      url ?
21:35 Wizzyrea_  we can't seem to figure it out
21:35 Wizzyrea_  that is to say, what is the sort order of the items tables
21:35 Wizzyrea_  question: what order, if any, are the holdings tables sorted by
21:22 sekjal     day's end.  time to catch a train.  cheers, all!
21:17 chris      hi Jo
21:17 Jo         morning all
20:53 sekjal     I just can't seem to retrieve the values from the field when it comes time
20:52 sekjal     the database shows that authids have been assigned, and inserted into the MARCXML (and I think the binary MARC, too)
20:51 sekjal     yes
20:51 gmcharlt   sekjal: just loading using bulkauthimport?
20:50 sekjal     yes
20:50 gmcharlt   sekjal: pure MeSH?
20:49 sekjal     doesn't matter if I bring them in as MARCXML from our old catalog, or fresh binary from NLM
20:49 chris      ahh
20:48 sekjal     apparently, my problem is the field 001's aren't being properly recognized, and are resulting in undefined objects
20:47 chris      why is the man always messing with us
20:46 sekjal     its true
20:46 chris      authorities are always keeping us down
20:46 chris      yay! for biblios boo! for authority
20:45 sekjal     but that's considered a lower priority right now
20:44 sekjal     still can't get my authority records to be searchable, though
20:44 sekjal     chris: I got my bibliographic records to index.  it was just a matter of adjusting the size of the register directory
20:32 chris_n    I think there's light at the end of the tunnel now
20:15 Wizzyrea_  owen++ for posting all of his jquery hackery.
20:12 hdl_laptop good nite koha
20:09 richard    hi
19:59 sekjal     ride safely!
19:59 chris      bb in about 40 mins
19:59 sekjal     thanks, chris.  I really appreciate that.
19:59 chris      and now i have to go catch my bus to work
19:58 chris      feel free to email them, and i can have a crack with my zebra
19:58 chris      so if it gets time to knock off work, and its still jamming
19:57 johnson    thanks hdl_laptop
19:57 chris      i have 12 hours of daylight coming up, if you wanted to email me them
19:57 sekjal     each somewhere between 200 and 300 MB
19:57 chris      or you 2 directories .. if are using rebuild_zebra with -k
19:56 chris      how big are your 2 files, in megabyte size?
19:56 hdl_laptop welcome
19:56 hdl_laptop hi johnson
19:55 chris      :(
19:54 sekjal     each failure costs about an hour right now... and I'm running low on those (tomorrow is my last day for two weeks)
19:53 chris      cant hurt to try
19:53 sekjal     though I probably should have increased memMax, too...
19:53 chris      ah right
19:52 sekjal     register seems to be what's throwing the error for me
19:52 sekjal     chris:  there is that, and register
19:52 chris      memMax or something
19:51 chris      sekjal: you can control the index size in the zebra config
19:50 chris      yay !!
19:46 gmcharlt   johnson: great!
19:45 johnson    i might be around a lot in the future
19:45 johnson    so i'm just introducing myself
19:45 johnson    +i'm looking at getting involved in development
19:45 johnson    i'm looking at taking a job now with a university in the US, and i'm hoping to be a shill for koha within the organization
19:43 johnson    a few months back I upgraded Koha for the small library I was working for at the time
19:43 owen       Hi johnson
19:39 johnson    hi all
19:37 atz        np, ttyl
19:37 tomascohen bye (atz)
19:37 tomascohen thanks for your time
19:37 tomascohen well, have to leave or i'll be locked in my office till tomorrow!
19:36 tomascohen I'll try to share my settings for eclipse if I reach an usable config
19:35 atz        you are welcome to use newer or more advanced tools (and perhaps demo them to the rest of us!)
19:34 atz        the project does not necessarily constrain the types of tools you should use
19:34 tomascohen can be usefull for some anytime
19:34 tomascohen as I intend that our efforts
19:34 tomascohen my doubt has to do with "the proper way" of working for this project
19:33 tomascohen is not difficult to have a full development environment for this kind of projects
19:33 tomascohen setting several environment variables
19:33 atz        or in Apache VirtualHost like:  SetEnv DEBUG 1
19:32 tomascohen in eclipse, using EPIC you can run a Perl/CGI project
19:32 atz        export DEBUG=1
19:32 atz        and you can set that from the command-line like:
19:31 atz        C4::Debug provides the variable $debug
19:31 tomascohen i just  thought koha devs might use more interesting methods
19:30 atz        $debug and warn "var1: $var1";
19:30 tomascohen and used it
19:30 tomascohen yesm that's what i've seen commented out in some files
19:30 atz        use C4::Debug;
19:30 atz        to make it smooth, do:
19:30 atz        warn "var1: $var1";
19:30 atz        you can send data to the error log with statements like:
19:29 atz        ah... that is more basic kind of debugging...
19:29 tomascohen that's why i've been trying with EPIC
19:29 tomascohen is there a way to introduce breakpoints and inspect variables?
19:28 tomascohen i see, interesting
19:28 atz        it generates a ton of performance analysis down to how many picoseconds a given line takes to execute
19:27 atz        *Times
19:27 atz        (New York Time profiler)
19:26 atz        the most powerful tool I've used for perl debugging is NYTprof
19:26 atz        interesting
19:26 tomascohen and reports with google viz api
19:26 tomascohen i've been developing extra modules (perl + html::template)
19:25 atz        i.e., web interface or AJAX features... or the installer, or reports, etc.
19:24 atz        it depends what is being developed
19:24 tomascohen koha development
19:24 tomascohen was to kknow what pwoplw use for debugging
19:24 tomascohen the main purpose of my question
19:24 tomascohen yeap, I've been using it
19:23 atz        (if you haven't already)
19:23 atz        haven't used eclipse, but my main point was to get familiar w/ git
19:23 tomascohen I'll wait for your reply
19:22 tomascohen ah, ok
19:22 atz        I'm replying right now...
19:22 tomascohen yeap
19:22 atz        eclipse, right?
19:22 tomascohen setting up a dev environment for koha
19:22 tomascohen hi, i sent an email to koha-devel asking about
19:17 atz        guess i can turn off the sprinkler now that it's pouring rain!
19:02 sekjal     do I really have that big an index?
19:02 sekjal     it seems to be a problem with the register's allocated memory
18:50 atz        sekjal: further bifurcation is in order... or you can try to target the problem record, if it is a precise one
18:48 sekjal     Zebra is really frustrating me.  Even doing it in two batches, I still get the same memory error halfway through the second
18:31 chris      :)
18:29 Sharon     yep, it was unboxed, but safely stored here in the office
18:29 chris      find the router Sharon ?
18:27 chris      He Pa Auroa is in Library of Congress's catalogue, i use it to test z3950 on koha usually :-)
18:22 chris      heh
18:20 owen       "Getting the Buggers to Turn Up" Awesome title!
18:18 chris      my dad is more famous
18:18 chris      http://www.fishpond.co.nz/Books_result.php?author=Ian%20Cormack
18:15 chris      infamy maybe?
18:14 owen       chris, you forgot to add "international fame"
18:13 chris      atz: yeah im the black sheep of the family hehe, i only have a BA, and a BSc
18:13 chris      the internet .. you can find anything
18:13 chris      http://www.uow.otago.ac.nz/academic/dph/research/HIRP/Staff/Donna_Cormack.html
18:12 atz        PhD, eh?  cormacks not known for their slouching, apparently....
18:12 sekjal     chris: very cool
18:11 chris      http://www.wnmeds.ac.nz/academic/gp/staff/Donna%20Cormack%20profile.html  <--- thats her (she has finished her Phd now)
18:10 sekjal     atz: sounds good to me.  our Digital Project's librarian is deciding on institutional repository software now
18:09 atz        sekjal: so as soon as you get done w/ the migration, you start a digitization project...
18:09 sekjal     we do have a pretty good medical collection.  sadly, a lot of it is in storage now due to space constraints
18:08 chris      my sister is a 'research fellow' in public health at the school of medicine here, she would be jealous :)
18:07 sekjal     yes.  Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences was the first one I noticed
18:07 chris      medical journals eh?
18:07 sekjal     and multiple copies at different locations
18:07 sekjal     we've got a couple that go back to the 1800s, with several volumes per year
18:06 sekjal     yes
18:06 chris      those are serials?
18:06 chris      ahh
18:06 sekjal     yeah.  since some of my bibs have over 1000 attached items, I've got to run rebuild_zebra.pl  with the -x flag
18:05 chris      (apart from the hiccup with diskspace)
18:05 chris      sweet, sounds like its going fine
18:04 sekjal     once this latest load finishes, I've just got to get the patrons over, then the current circulation transactions, and I'm set
18:04 sekjal     I think it's going alright; discovered that I can't import ALL the records first, then run rebuild_zebra.pl.  Run out of space about 80% through the merge
18:03 chris      heya sekjal, hows it looking for the migration?
18:01 sekjal     good morning, chris
18:01 chris      morning
17:16 kf         hi there, testing requests atm, I m able to put a item on hold, that is already checked out to me (current HEAD) - can somebody try this and tell me if its a bug in my configuration or a real bug?
15:10 jwagner    hdl_laptop, thanks.  I think I'm going to have to turn that over to one of the programmers to research.  Sigh....
15:06 hdl_laptop and its options.
15:06 hdl_laptop jwagner: you are searching for QueryWeightFields
14:57 jwagner    Sorry, exact any, then word list any are commented out, never mind those.
14:56 jwagner    hdl_laptop, I'm looking at C4/Search.pm.  Not quite sure what I'm looking for, but it seems to give 1st priority to title-cover, followed by exact title, then phrase title, then exact any, then word list any.  So since I'm searching one word (Woolf) which may show up in a title but isn't a phrase, is that part of the problem?
14:51 atz        mostly because of having a fairly clunky pre-parser
14:51 atz        jwagner: like i said, you *could* search zebra that way.  koha doesn't
14:51 hdl_laptop not in zebra that you should look.
14:50 hdl_laptop jwagner: it is in C4/Search.pm
14:50 jwagner    That might be the case.  Any way to tweak zebra in that regard?
14:50 atz        so that probably affects relevance
14:50 atz        jwagner: i'm not sure... i would bet wol* shows up in more fields for the "wolf" records than just the one author field for Virgina's books
14:49 hdl_laptop (in koha)
14:49 hdl_laptop jwagner: maybe relevancy suppose that you are also using stemmed operands.
14:49 hdl_laptop And koha is  building the query.
14:48 jwagner    atz, would the pre-parsing account for my problem?  Why variations on wolf, wolves show up in the hitlist before the term that was actually searched (Woolf)?
14:48 hdl_laptop jwagner: in fact, zebra has some relevancy ranking on the fly
14:47 atz         so in yaz client you can specify a search that is an exact string, or a truncated string, possibly even a left-truncated string, etc.
14:47 atz        owen: zebra does it, but Koha pre-parsing strips it out
14:43 jwagner    owen, with regard to quotes, I've found that searching time and again and "time and again" produce different result lists, and the one with quotes is more accurate. Same for time again and "time again" (different title, again the one with quotes is more accurate).  I've seen it work the same way on other titles.
14:41 jwagner    The only changes I've done to record.abs on these systems are to add the 035 field (it was in record.abs but commented out) and add the 856 field.
14:40 jwagner    That's what I'm wondering, but I don't know enough about zebra's inner workings to even know what I'm looking for.
14:40 owen       I *know* I was told previously that zebra didn't do exact phrase searching via quotes.
14:40 owen       Could it be a zebra configuration issue?
14:39 jwagner    OK, now we have another variation, sigh.
14:38 owen       http://acpl.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=%22space+jam%22
14:37 owen       http://acpl.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=space+jam
14:37 owen       jwagner: I don't find that putting search terms in quotes excludes results which don't have that exact phrase.
14:36 jwagner    (This is the general keyword search, incidentally -- which 99% of users are going to do.  A subject search for Woolf produces a more appropriate result set.)
14:33 jwagner    Hmmm.  I just turned them both off, but it didn't make a difference.  A search for Woolf still produces the same large result set, with wolf and wolves near the top.
14:33 hdl_laptop which might not be what you want.
14:33 hdl_laptop (and relevancy ranking)
14:33 hdl_laptop So i guess in english wolf is stemmed wol and searches on wol* before  doing the search.
14:32 hdl_laptop If QueryStemming is 1 Then you are trying first to "stem" your operands and then search relevancy.
14:32 jwagner    QueryAutoTruncate and QueryStemming are both on.  Should that make a difference?  From the descriptions they both seemed to operate at the end of terms, like making cat and cats equal.
14:31 hdl_laptop jwagner: what is the value of queryStemming ?
14:31 hdl_laptop jwagner: which value is AutoTruncation ?
14:28 jwagner    It does choke on certain symbols, like ? and :
14:27 jwagner    No, it uses quotes to treat as an exact phrase -- I've done that with several searches.
14:27 owen       I thought zebra didn't understand quotes.
14:20 jwagner    If you search for "Virginia Woolf" in quotes, it brings up a reasonable list, but Virginia Woolf without the quotes seems to search for anything with Virginia plus any variation on wolf, wolves, etc.
14:19 jwagner    Same results for Reed -- it returns Red first in the list, along with things like Rede.
14:18 jwagner    If you do a search for Woolf (as in Virginia Woolf), the relevancy ranking seems to always put entries with Wolf, Wolves, etc. in the hitlist ahead of entries with Woolf.  I can see that zebra is trying to be helpful, but why doesn't it return an exact match first in the list?  Fuzzy searching is off.
14:17 hdl_laptop jwagner: throw your question.
13:44 jwagner    Someone around who understands zebra & relevance ranking?
12:26 gmcharlt   I survived - that's about all I'll say ;)
12:25 gmcharlt   hi chris_n
12:25 chris_n    g'morn gmcharlt
12:20 chris_n    g'morning koha
12:05 gmcharlt   bbiab