Time  Nick         Message
11:30 martinmorris yes
11:29 gmcharlt     subdivisions not identified, as another example
11:29 martinmorris no 500 tags for example
11:29 martinmorris yes, so i see
11:29 gmcharlt     hi Amit
11:29 Amit         hi galen
11:29 gmcharlt     and the RDF at id.loc.gov doesn't retain enough of the original structure to do that accurately
11:29 martinmorris i've been having a look, i can see it's a rather different format
11:29 martinmorris with a perl script of some kind perhaps?
11:28 gmcharlt     martinmorris: not directly - you'd have to convert them to MARC or MARCXML authority records first
10:34 martinmorris just getting my head around that format
10:34 martinmorris hello, is there any way of uploading the RDF/XML LCSH headings at id.loc.gov into koha?
09:54 kf           hi Amit
09:38 Amit         hi kf
06:54 nicomo       chris around?
06:36 nicomo       hi #koha
06:36 nicomo       hi Amit
06:35 Amit         hi nicomo
03:44 mason        heya amit, good morning to you
03:44 Amit         hi mason, Selfish Man
03:43 Amit         hi mason
03:40 mason        looks like it locks, and gives unpredictable results too :)
03:39 mason        "Further, while the update process is active, users cannot be allowed to access the system, as the contents of the register files may change unpredictably."
03:39 mason        heya
03:38 SelfishMan   I don't think it locks it so much as may have undesirable results
03:38 SelfishMan   mason: I believe that is correct but I haven't played with that for a while
03:24 Amit         good morning #koha
03:24 Amit         hi chris
03:11 mason        if so , then -w isnt really an option for a prod-system
03:11 mason        skipping shadow-indexing is faster, but it locks up requests (eg: searching?) while the batch is updating ?
03:09 mason        so shadow-indeing is slower, but safer..
03:08 mason        http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/shadow-registers.html
03:08 mason        hmmm...
03:06 mason        i havent tested yet :/
03:06 mason        can the indexed records still be searched, with the shadow-indexing skipped?
03:03 mason        skipping something sounds faster!!, which is good...
02:55 mason         -w                      skip shadow indexing for this batch
02:54 mason        when running rebuild_zebra.pl with -z , what difference does the '-w' switch do ??
02:53 mason        i
02:53 mason         have a rebuild_zebra.pl question..
23:40 pianohacker  'gnight, #koha
21:47 chris        heh
21:44 pianohacker  xorg--
20:50 chris        heya richard
20:50 richard      hi
20:44 chris        back
20:39 dipanjan     gmcharlt: thanks. will get back
20:39 gmcharlt     2.0.40 should be fine
20:39 gmcharlt     dipanjan: go with the latest stable version that ID has
20:38 dipanjan     gmcharlt: ^^
20:38 dipanjan     if I want to build zebra from source, do I do it for version 2.0.40 or some other version?
20:38 atz          patch sent for sillyness in adv. search template
20:37 gmcharlt     dipanjan: pong
20:37 dipanjan     gmcharlt: ping
20:02 chris        ok time to go catch my bus
20:02 CGI253       Yea, read that... still a work in progress I guess. Will keep working at it.
20:01 gmcharlt     CGI253: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=cmsdconversion
20:00 CGI253       http://www.goalexandria.com/
19:59 pianohacker  If so, you might have to write some custom scripts to do so, as it looks like it doesn't have MARC export
19:58 pianohacker  CGI253: This alexandria? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_%28software%29
19:57 CGI253       Just curious, anyone migrated over to koha from alexandria ?
19:56 chris        hehe
19:56 pianohacker  Heh. You might want to wait until I've got the dang thing written; I've been _talking_ about it for about four months now
19:55 gmcharlt     pianohacker++
19:55 pianohacker  chris: Hah, yeah
19:54 chris        yeah, go for the kaizen approach :)
19:54 chris        that would rule
19:54 pianohacker  But there are still enough obstacles (the godforsaken translator, getting all of the tabs written, adding the prefs that have been added since I started this project) that it might have to wait until after 3.2 (which I am hoping to get this into)
19:53 pianohacker  Ahh, I see what you mean. I've thought a bit about that, and it should be possible to implement
19:52 owen         For instance: Don't show individual Syndetics prefs unless the main "Syndetics = ON" pref is active
19:52 pianohacker  So a three-level, rather than two-level, hierarchy in that sense
19:52 pianohacker  There will be groups of sysprefs, inside tabs
19:52 pianohacker  owen: In what sense?
19:51 owen         Any chance for hierarchical sys prefs?
19:50 pianohacker  *still have weird names
19:49 pianohacker  The main reason I'm picking your brain about all this is for the new syspref editor, which will at least make things a tad easier to deal with. The sysprefs will still have names, but much better descriptions
19:46 pianohacker  Thanks
19:46 pianohacker  owen: Gah, ok. A closer reading of the code makes that clear
19:40 CGI151       Liz...did you post anything new on git?
19:35 owen         Sorry I misunderstood your initial question.
19:35 owen         It's just a different way of managing things. I'm not sure what particular need prompted the addition of that one, but it's been around for a while.
19:34 owen         This could be used if, for instance, your Koha installation was hosted and you didn't have access to the filesystem that held the default stylesheet
19:33 owen         That means you can specify an *offsite* CSS file as your custom CSS.
19:33 owen         opacstylesheet: "Enter a complete URL to use an alternate layout stylesheet in OPAC"
19:32 owen         Sorry--that's not in reference to opacstylesheet.
19:32 owen         Because if you're customizing an OPAC it's easier to manage a custom stylesheet that only contains what you *need* for the customizations
19:30 pianohacker  My question is: Why do you want opacstylesheet and opaclayoutstylesheet, given that they perform the same function
19:30 pianohacker  But the OPAC has _three_ stylesheet preferences. opacstylesheet and opaclayoutstylesheet, both of which replace opac.css (but only one of them), and opaccolorstylesheet, which supplements opac.css
19:29 pianohacker  owen: Yes, I know about opaccolorstylesheet.  The intranet's setup makes sense; intranetstylesheet to replace staff-global.css, intranetcolorstylsheet to supplement it
19:29 owen         They should really be named "opacdefaultstylesheet" and "opaccustomstylesheet" or something like that
19:28 owen         Or you can supply styles to alter the layout significantly if you wanted to go that far
19:28 owen         Your "opaccolorstylesheet" file can contain only minor changes if you want: background colors, logo, stuff like that
19:28 owen         The second one overrides the first one, *if* you've specified a property to be overridden
19:27 owen         No, that misses the "cascade" part of "Cascading Style Sheets"
19:26 pianohacker  Since only one will be used?
19:26 pianohacker  Why would you want both?
19:26 chris        thats cos you are weird too :)
19:26 owen         The problem is that they're now misnamed
19:26 owen         Weird? I use it all the time!
19:25 pianohacker  So there's a couple of sysprefs, opacstylesheet and opaclayoutstylesheet. The OPAC uses the first if it's defined, otherwise the second, otherwise opac.css. Do you know anything about this weird setup/how it is used?
19:25 owen         Yes
19:25 pianohacker  owen: Around?
19:18 chris        :)
19:18 chris        so im working up to it
19:18 chris        got a long day today, with a go live after 6pm
19:16 munin        nicomo: The current temperature in Feyzin, Feyzin, France is 27.6°C (9:00 PM CEST on July 20, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady).
19:16 nicomo       @wunder lyon, france
19:16 chris        i think the total is now 738
19:15 chris        somethign to brighten up his day
19:15 chris        hehe naw, hes a pretty unwell young fulla
19:15 munin        chris: 430 New Zealand dollars = 281.65 U.S. dollars
19:15 chris        @gcalc 430nzd in usd
19:14 owen         Heh, are you trying to punish his parents for some reason? :)
19:14 nicomo       in US$?
19:14 nicomo       how much is the NZ$ worth?
19:14 chris        yep
19:14 owen         That's quite a haul!
19:14 chris        to help towards his buying a drum machine
19:14 chris        had a bake sale, raised 430$ for the kids of one of the staff
19:13 chris        not bad not bad
19:12 owen         How'd Monday treat you?
19:12 owen         Hi chris
19:11 chris        heya owen
19:05 chris        and that was only for half a year at uni
19:05 chris        never a full beard tho
19:05 joetho       Sigh.
19:04 chris        i did have a goatee once
19:04 joetho       you didn't look.
19:04 chris        heh
19:04 joetho       go look
19:04 joetho       the picture shows chris with a full beard and hippie beads.
18:21 chris        send a patch :)
18:21 chris        oh yeah, it has russel and i at liblime still, well sorta
18:21 wizzyrea      yea, it is.
18:20 chris        out of date?
18:20 wizzyrea     hm we really ought to take a look at that "about koha -> dev team" page :P
18:17 wizzyrea     (complete with typos)
18:17 wizzyrea     ooh, from aol.com... I take that very seriously
18:12 chris        heh
18:11 pianohacker  edsharpesmessage has too many errors
18:11 pianohacker  Syntax error near ",,,,"
18:09 pianohacker  Huh
18:07 chris        http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2008-March/013264.html
18:07 chris        he is usually right
18:04 pianohacker  He also seems to have wanted complete install testing of every Koha release
18:04 pianohacker  I believe you've told me about him, yes
18:03 chris        he is infamous for yelling constantly about lccn
18:02 pianohacker  Ahh, he's an archivist at smecc
18:00 chris        removing now
18:00 chris        good old ed sharpe, he is in koha folklore already, this will just increase that
17:59 joetho       I withdraw my question
17:49 wizzyrea     lordy, you try staying on top of things when you've had the ick for 2.5 weeks (and the dr tells you it's "just a virus..." bite me, plzkthx)
17:23 pianohacker  Ah. Food takes priority
17:23 Sharon       we were in a meeting and now she's a lunch
17:15 pianohacker  We must mount an expedition to Kansas to find out why
17:15 pianohacker  wizzyrea is not very responsive
17:07 joetho       Elizabeth?
16:57 jdavidb      pianohacker: Kinda wish I had a hangover to justify the crummy way I feel today...bleh.
16:50 pianohacker  The hangover will subside eventually
16:35 wizzyrea     *giggle*
16:34 pianohacker  wizzyrea: WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
16:33 wizzyrea      wow the yelling!!
16:33 pianohacker  hello
16:33 gmcharlt     hi pianohacker
16:24 pianohacker  Good morning
16:00 gmcharlt     welcome ziqbal
15:59 ziqbal        i am new to this chat room , and hope the chat room is good for me to solve koha problems
15:58 ziqbal       i am new to this chat room, and hope that this chat room is good for me to solve koha problems
15:54 ziqbal       hi to all
15:50 gmcharlt     but I agree with atz that there shouldn't be particularly tight coupling between the prefs and how they are presented
15:49 gmcharlt     for one thing, would mean that the A-Z issue could be fixed for all languages
15:49 gmcharlt     as a separate layer, I think so
15:48 atz          not really, imho
15:48 owen         I wonder if it would be better to include the "tab" grouping as part of system preference data (along with explanation, value, etc)
15:17 owen         The Museum! As opposed to what, THE TASTY SNACK?
15:16 gmcharlt     he's had more than enough to correct it
15:16 gmcharlt     as Ed hasn't responded to any requests to kill the autoresponder
15:15 gmcharlt     atz: sure - I'll confirm request with Chris next time he's online
15:15 atz          You Have  Contacted SMECC -  THE MUSEUM!"
15:15 atz          (Also if your mail server has problems and is infected YOU need to fix that I do not want to be inolved!)
15:15 atz          (Or your virus affected computer may have... if so get a good service tech)
15:15 atz          "If you have gotten this message you have  emailed  SMECC.
15:15 atz          gmcharlt_ can you or chris unsubscribe Ed Sharpe from the Koha list?  i'm sick of getting his auto-replies for every message I send...
13:09 martinmorris worked a treat, thanks!
13:00 martinmorris thanks!
13:00 martinmorris ah, simple as that.  i was a bit nervous about doing it directly in the db but i'll give that a go for some and see what happens
13:00 gmcharlt     then you'd run rebuild_zebra -b -r to update indexes
13:00 gmcharlt     via SQL you can delete from biblio and it should cascade - make sure that you don't have any circ or acq transactions attached
12:59 martinmorris hi is there a quick way of deleting a number of biblios and their associated items?  on the command line?
12:50 nicomo       CGI566: see system preference Timeout
12:29 Amit         hi jwagner
12:08 CGI566       did any anybody know about extending the user login session
12:08 CGI566       hi