Time Nick Message 12:08 CGI566 hi 12:08 CGI566 did any anybody know about extending the user login session 12:29 Amit hi jwagner 12:50 nicomo CGI566: see system preference Timeout 12:59 martinmorris hi is there a quick way of deleting a number of biblios and their associated items? on the command line? 13:00 gmcharlt via SQL you can delete from biblio and it should cascade - make sure that you don't have any circ or acq transactions attached 13:00 gmcharlt then you'd run rebuild_zebra -b -r to update indexes 13:00 martinmorris ah, simple as that. i was a bit nervous about doing it directly in the db but i'll give that a go for some and see what happens 13:00 martinmorris thanks! 13:09 martinmorris worked a treat, thanks! 15:15 atz gmcharlt_ can you or chris unsubscribe Ed Sharpe from the Koha list? i'm sick of getting his auto-replies for every message I send... 15:15 atz "If you have gotten this message you have emailed SMECC. 15:15 atz (Or your virus affected computer may have... if so get a good service tech) 15:15 atz (Also if your mail server has problems and is infected YOU need to fix that I do not want to be inolved!) 15:15 atz You Have Contacted SMECC - THE MUSEUM!" 15:15 gmcharlt atz: sure - I'll confirm request with Chris next time he's online 15:16 gmcharlt as Ed hasn't responded to any requests to kill the autoresponder 15:16 gmcharlt he's had more than enough to correct it 15:17 owen The Museum! As opposed to what, THE TASTY SNACK? 15:17 gmcharlt SMECC - THE FOLKS WHO HAVE LISTENED TO THE WRONG MARKETING CONSULTANT!!!!!!!! 15:48 owen I wonder if it would be better to include the "tab" grouping as part of system preference data (along with explanation, value, etc) 15:48 atz not really, imho 15:49 gmcharlt as a separate layer, I think so 15:49 gmcharlt for one thing, would mean that the A-Z issue could be fixed for all languages 15:50 gmcharlt but I agree with atz that there shouldn't be particularly tight coupling between the prefs and how they are presented 15:54 ziqbal hi to all 15:58 ziqbal i am new to this chat room, and hope that this chat room is good for me to solve koha problems 15:59 ziqbal i am new to this chat room , and hope the chat room is good for me to solve koha problems 16:00 gmcharlt welcome ziqbal 16:24 pianohacker Good morning 16:33 gmcharlt hi pianohacker 16:33 pianohacker hello 16:33 wizzyrea wow the yelling!! 16:34 pianohacker wizzyrea: WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 16:35 wizzyrea *giggle* 16:50 pianohacker The hangover will subside eventually 16:57 jdavidb pianohacker: Kinda wish I had a hangover to justify the crummy way I feel today...bleh. 17:07 joetho Elizabeth? 17:15 pianohacker wizzyrea is not very responsive 17:15 pianohacker We must mount an expedition to Kansas to find out why 17:23 Sharon we were in a meeting and now she's a lunch 17:23 pianohacker Ah. Food takes priority 17:49 wizzyrea lordy, you try staying on top of things when you've had the ick for 2.5 weeks (and the dr tells you it's "just a virus..." bite me, plzkthx) 17:59 joetho I withdraw my question 18:00 chris good old ed sharpe, he is in koha folklore already, this will just increase that 18:00 chris removing now 18:02 pianohacker Ahh, he's an archivist at smecc 18:03 chris he is infamous for yelling constantly about lccn 18:04 pianohacker I believe you've told me about him, yes 18:04 pianohacker He also seems to have wanted complete install testing of every Koha release 18:07 chris he is usually right 18:07 chris http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2008-March/013264.html 18:09 pianohacker Huh 18:11 pianohacker Syntax error near ",,,," 18:11 pianohacker edsharpesmessage has too many errors 18:12 chris heh 18:17 wizzyrea ooh, from aol.com... I take that very seriously 18:17 wizzyrea (complete with typos) 18:20 wizzyrea hm we really ought to take a look at that "about koha -> dev team" page :P 18:20 chris out of date? 18:21 wizzyrea yea, it is. 18:21 chris oh yeah, it has russel and i at liblime still, well sorta 18:21 chris send a patch :) 19:04 joetho the picture shows chris with a full beard and hippie beads. 19:04 joetho go look 19:04 chris heh 19:04 joetho you didn't look. 19:04 chris i did have a goatee once 19:05 joetho Sigh. 19:05 chris never a full beard tho 19:05 chris and that was only for half a year at uni 19:11 chris heya owen 19:12 owen Hi chris 19:12 owen How'd Monday treat you? 19:13 chris not bad not bad 19:14 chris had a bake sale, raised 430$ for the kids of one of the staff 19:14 chris to help towards his buying a drum machine 19:14 owen That's quite a haul! 19:14 chris yep 19:14 nicomo how much is the NZ$ worth? 19:14 nicomo in US$? 19:14 owen Heh, are you trying to punish his parents for some reason? :) 19:15 chris @gcalc 430nzd in usd 19:15 munin chris: 430 New Zealand dollars = 281.65 U.S. dollars 19:15 chris hehe naw, hes a pretty unwell young fulla 19:15 chris somethign to brighten up his day 19:16 chris i think the total is now 738 19:16 nicomo @wunder lyon, france 19:16 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Feyzin, Feyzin, France is 27.6°C (9:00 PM CEST on July 20, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). 19:18 chris got a long day today, with a go live after 6pm 19:18 chris so im working up to it 19:18 chris :) 19:25 pianohacker owen: Around? 19:25 owen Yes 19:25 pianohacker So there's a couple of sysprefs, opacstylesheet and opaclayoutstylesheet. The OPAC uses the first if it's defined, otherwise the second, otherwise opac.css. Do you know anything about this weird setup/how it is used? 19:26 owen Weird? I use it all the time! 19:26 owen The problem is that they're now misnamed 19:26 chris thats cos you are weird too :) 19:26 pianohacker Why would you want both? 19:26 pianohacker Since only one will be used? 19:27 owen No, that misses the "cascade" part of "Cascading Style Sheets" 19:28 owen The second one overrides the first one, *if* you've specified a property to be overridden 19:28 owen Your "opaccolorstylesheet" file can contain only minor changes if you want: background colors, logo, stuff like that 19:28 owen Or you can supply styles to alter the layout significantly if you wanted to go that far 19:29 owen They should really be named "opacdefaultstylesheet" and "opaccustomstylesheet" or something like that 19:29 pianohacker owen: Yes, I know about opaccolorstylesheet. The intranet's setup makes sense; intranetstylesheet to replace staff-global.css, intranetcolorstylsheet to supplement it 19:30 pianohacker But the OPAC has _three_ stylesheet preferences. opacstylesheet and opaclayoutstylesheet, both of which replace opac.css (but only one of them), and opaccolorstylesheet, which supplements opac.css 19:30 pianohacker My question is: Why do you want opacstylesheet and opaclayoutstylesheet, given that they perform the same function 19:32 owen Because if you're customizing an OPAC it's easier to manage a custom stylesheet that only contains what you *need* for the customizations 19:32 owen Sorry--that's not in reference to opacstylesheet. 19:33 owen opacstylesheet: "Enter a complete URL to use an alternate layout stylesheet in OPAC" 19:33 owen That means you can specify an *offsite* CSS file as your custom CSS. 19:34 owen This could be used if, for instance, your Koha installation was hosted and you didn't have access to the filesystem that held the default stylesheet 19:35 owen It's just a different way of managing things. I'm not sure what particular need prompted the addition of that one, but it's been around for a while. 19:35 owen Sorry I misunderstood your initial question. 19:40 CGI151 Liz...did you post anything new on git? 19:46 pianohacker owen: Gah, ok. A closer reading of the code makes that clear 19:46 pianohacker Thanks 19:49 pianohacker The main reason I'm picking your brain about all this is for the new syspref editor, which will at least make things a tad easier to deal with. The sysprefs will still have names, but much better descriptions 19:50 pianohacker *still have weird names 19:51 owen Any chance for hierarchical sys prefs? 19:52 pianohacker owen: In what sense? 19:52 pianohacker There will be groups of sysprefs, inside tabs 19:52 pianohacker So a three-level, rather than two-level, hierarchy in that sense 19:52 owen For instance: Don't show individual Syndetics prefs unless the main "Syndetics = ON" pref is active 19:53 pianohacker Ahh, I see what you mean. I've thought a bit about that, and it should be possible to implement 19:54 pianohacker But there are still enough obstacles (the godforsaken translator, getting all of the tabs written, adding the prefs that have been added since I started this project) that it might have to wait until after 3.2 (which I am hoping to get this into) 19:54 chris that would rule 19:54 chris yeah, go for the kaizen approach :) 19:55 pianohacker chris: Hah, yeah 19:55 gmcharlt pianohacker++ 19:56 pianohacker Heh. You might want to wait until I've got the dang thing written; I've been _talking_ about it for about four months now 19:56 chris hehe 19:57 CGI253 Just curious, anyone migrated over to koha from alexandria ? 19:58 pianohacker CGI253: This alexandria? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_%28software%29 19:59 pianohacker If so, you might have to write some custom scripts to do so, as it looks like it doesn't have MARC export 20:00 CGI253 http://www.goalexandria.com/ 20:01 gmcharlt CGI253: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=cmsdconversion 20:02 CGI253 Yea, read that... still a work in progress I guess. Will keep working at it. 20:02 chris ok time to go catch my bus 20:37 dipanjan gmcharlt: ping 20:37 gmcharlt dipanjan: pong 20:38 atz patch sent for sillyness in adv. search template 20:38 dipanjan if I want to build zebra from source, do I do it for version 2.0.40 or some other version? 20:38 dipanjan gmcharlt: ^^ 20:39 gmcharlt dipanjan: go with the latest stable version that ID has 20:39 gmcharlt 2.0.40 should be fine 20:39 dipanjan gmcharlt: thanks. will get back 20:44 chris back 20:50 richard hi 20:50 chris heya richard 21:44 pianohacker xorg-- 21:47 chris heh 23:40 pianohacker 'gnight, #koha 02:53 mason have a rebuild_zebra.pl question.. 02:53 mason i 02:54 mason when running rebuild_zebra.pl with -z , what difference does the '-w' switch do ?? 02:55 mason -w skip shadow indexing for this batch 03:03 mason skipping something sounds faster!!, which is good... 03:06 mason can the indexed records still be searched, with the shadow-indexing skipped? 03:06 mason i havent tested yet :/ 03:08 mason hmmm... 03:08 mason http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/shadow-registers.html 03:09 mason so shadow-indeing is slower, but safer.. 03:11 mason skipping shadow-indexing is faster, but it locks up requests (eg: searching?) while the batch is updating ? 03:11 mason if so , then -w isnt really an option for a prod-system 03:24 Amit hi chris 03:24 Amit good morning #koha 03:38 SelfishMan mason: I believe that is correct but I haven't played with that for a while 03:38 SelfishMan I don't think it locks it so much as may have undesirable results 03:39 mason heya 03:39 mason "Further, while the update process is active, users cannot be allowed to access the system, as the contents of the register files may change unpredictably." 03:40 mason looks like it locks, and gives unpredictable results too :) 03:43 Amit hi mason 03:44 Amit hi mason, Selfish Man 03:44 mason heya amit, good morning to you 06:35 Amit hi nicomo 06:36 nicomo hi Amit 06:36 nicomo hi #koha 06:54 nicomo chris around? 09:38 Amit hi kf 09:54 kf hi Amit 10:34 martinmorris hello, is there any way of uploading the RDF/XML LCSH headings at id.loc.gov into koha? 10:34 martinmorris just getting my head around that format 11:28 gmcharlt martinmorris: not directly - you'd have to convert them to MARC or MARCXML authority records first 11:29 martinmorris with a perl script of some kind perhaps? 11:29 martinmorris i've been having a look, i can see it's a rather different format 11:29 gmcharlt and the RDF at id.loc.gov doesn't retain enough of the original structure to do that accurately 11:29 Amit hi galen 11:29 gmcharlt hi Amit 11:29 martinmorris yes, so i see 11:29 martinmorris no 500 tags for example 11:29 gmcharlt subdivisions not identified, as another example 11:30 martinmorris yes