Time Nick Message 14:01 owen Hi #koha 14:09 thd hello owen 14:35 Nelson Owen? 14:36 owen Hi 14:36 Nelson Howdy, I'm developing a union catalogue in South Africa... 14:37 Nelson May I ask you a question about Zebra indexing? 14:38 owen Ask away, but I probably can't answer. That's not my area of expertise. Maybe someone else is listening who will know 14:38 Nelson You develop the GUI? 14:38 owen Yes 14:39 Nelson Is there a way in the GUI to re-import new item information? I see options for settings, but, eg. normalization, but haven't found any documentation. 14:40 Nelson Haven't found *enough* documentation... 14:41 Nelson eg. I want to move a batch of books from one shelf to another, by changing 952c. 14:41 owen I've heard that one or more people are workingo n bulk item update tools, but I haven't seen anything concrete 14:42 Nelson Okay, another question... 14:42 Nelson We're considering 505 and 773 and want to integrate into the GUI 14:44 Nelson eg. Subject 6xx shows up on search returns when 6xx exists. I'd like for the same presentation to occur when we use 773 host item entry (analytical cataloguing). I'd like to see "Found in:" and a display of the host item. Any thoughts on this? 14:45 owen No, sorry. You'll probably have better luck finding someone to answer that question during US or Europe business hours 14:46 owen Not many people around on Saturday & Sunday. 14:46 Nelson Thanks, this is my first time to visit (and to use IRC!) 14:47 owen This is a great place to find answers if you can catch the developers here. Just have to find the right time. 14:48 Nelson Thanks. Do you navigate on the linux backend? I've only used the GUI so far, but often find I want to poke around. Have recently been advised to use putty for this purpose. 14:50 owen I use putty quite often, usually to interact with mysql or to use the git version control system 14:52 Nelson Do you edit data in the mysql tables, or what sort of activities? Does editing data have the potential to corrupt the zebra indexing? 14:52 Nelson Or corrupt other aspects, like circulation, etc. 14:53 owen Absolutely. You have to be very careful. 14:53 Nelson Are you aware of any documentation for this sort of thing? 14:56 Nelson I'm learning how to export, use MarcEdit, then re-import, so maybe this is the safe way to go. I wish I could export, and somehow move to Excel, but have only been able to backstep to MarcEdit. 14:58 owen I don't recommend using the command line to interact with mysql 14:58 owen I do because I do development 14:58 owen If you want to be able to run quick queries from the command line, I'd recommend using a mysql user which has been configured to be read-only 14:59 owen Re: MarcEdit to Excel, MARC just isn't the right kind of data to put right into Excel. 14:59 Nelson As opposed to the gui ad hoc reporting features? 15:00 owen Koha has its "pre-built" reports, and the Guided Reports tool for doing your own custom reports 15:01 owen Between those two you should be able to get much (if not all) of what you need 15:02 Nelson I need to explore this some more, thanks. 15:06 Nelson Do you know of specific folks who work with Zebra on this irc, so that I can keep an eye out for them? 15:07 owen gmcharlt, hdl_laptop, and chris would all be people to try 15:07 thd Nelson: what do you mean by 'the GUI' 15:08 hdl_laptop to try what ? 15:08 owen hdl_laptop: To ask about Zebra questions (since I don't know the answers) 15:09 Nelson thd: by the GUI, I mean what I see when I log in as a super librarian with full administrative priviledges. 15:11 thd Nelson: In what context are 505 and 773 not appearing? 15:11 hdl_laptop Nelson: I am here for a little while. 15:11 Nelson hdl_laptop: re zebra, I want to add some additional tags to the indexing for basic Keyword Search, eg. 505 and 773 15:11 hdl_laptop if you want to ask. 15:11 hdl_laptop mmm... No problem for me. 15:11 Nelson thanks, I'll phrase a queston 15:12 hdl_laptop you just have to add it to record.abs 15:12 hdl_laptop with the appropriate bib1 index 15:13 Nelson I'm afraid I don't know how to access this file. Never worked w/ ABS files before, know very little about linux... 15:13 Nelson Do I need to learn putty and linux commands first? 15:14 Nelson Is there a gui text editor for the Suse server that maybe I could use? 15:18 thd there are certainly GUI text editors. I use GVIM but it is a line based programming editor in which mode based control may be confusing at first. 15:20 thd Any text editor which is not a word processing editor with autocorrect features turned on should work. 15:20 thd Nelson: the Bib-1 standard: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html 15:23 thd Nelson you should learn Unix commands. If you are familiar with MSDOS commands, you may recognise that MSDOS commands are much like Unix commands except backwards. 15:25 thd Nelson: mc , Midnight Commander may be helpful. It is based on nc , Norton Commander, for MSDOS. 15:26 thd s/based on/modeled after/ 15:26 Nelson I've had a little experience with vi, and DOS. RE the text editor, I use a WinXP laptop to access a linux server for our Koha installation. So, I'm looking for windows-based utilities. Would mc work in this case? 15:27 Nelson re the bib-1 standard. I think we want to add 500, 505, 773 for addititional subject/author/title entries. 15:27 thd Are you looking for Microsoft Windows based programs or Unix X Windons based programs? 15:29 Nelson Microsoft Windows utilities to install on my laptop, to enable me to manipulate the koha backend, which is installed on a Suse server in New Jersey. 15:31 thd Nelson: you can also add invent something for use in Bib-1 "The following (5000-10,000) reserves a block of values for private usage; they will never be assigned by the Z39.50 Maintenance Agency. Implementors may use these however they choose, they are not intended for interoperability -- different implementors may define them differently, and assignments of these values need not be reported to the Z39.50 Maintenance Agency." 15:33 thd To manipulate the files on the remote server you need to access them directly or copy them back and forth between your computer and the remote computer. 15:34 thd In either case PuTTY is helpful 15:35 thd PuTTY provides ssh to allow you to work directly on the remote machine using commands 15:36 Nelson I've set up putty, and have been able to access our server in NJ using ssh. My challenge is knowing what to do once I've logged in! 15:36 thd you could also copy files back and forth with the PuTTY command pscp executed from the command prompt on your MS Windows machine. 15:37 thd Nelson: do you know MSDOS commands? 15:38 Nelson I've forgotten most of the commands, but am willing to re-learn at this point. Are ABS files a kind of text file? eg. could I ftp/copy record.abs to my laptop, open and edit it, then ftp/copy it back to the server? 15:40 eiro http://www.tinybox.net/content/put-regexes-module 15:40 eiro hello guys 15:42 thd Nelson: yes you could copy back and forth with FTP or SFTP if the server has that access. 15:43 thd some FTP client programs also support SSH which may be better 15:44 owen SFTP being recommended, of course. I use WinSCP when I'm on Windows 15:44 thd hello eiro 15:44 owen (or whatever secure protocol you prefer, just not FTP) 15:44 thd Nelson: FTP uses plain text passwords which could be intercepted 15:45 thd Nelson: SFTP provides security 15:47 thd I recommend thorough books by the following author for learning Unix commands. A practical guide to Linux commands, Editors, and Shell programming / Mark G. Sobell. 15:55 Nelson thanks very much, I'll try to find a copy of this 15:55 thd Nelson: There is a good packaging of GVIM for MS Windows along with a more familiar editor style in Cream 15:56 thd http://cream.sourceforge.net/download.html 15:56 thd There is a package for MS Windows which includes both Cream and GVIM. 15:57 thd VIM is vi improved. 16:02 thd Nelson: there are versions of Sobell's book tailored to specific GNU/Linux distributions but I do not see one for SuSe or Novell GNU/Linux. 16:07 Nelson Would I use Cream and GVIM along with puTTY? 16:12 thd Nelson: You would use Cream and/or GVIM on your MS Windows system. You need to copy the file to your MS Windows system to edit it first. 16:13 thd You could use MS Windows console command pscp which comes with PuTTY to copy the file from the SuSe system. 16:13 thd You could also use what owen recommended which is probably easier. 16:15 thd owen said that he uses WinSCP 16:16 thd http://winscp.net 16:17 Nelson thanks again for the recommendations. I'll save this conversation to guide my next steps with Koha. 16:18 thd WinSCP seems to have a built in text editor so that you would not need to copy anything over to your MS Windows machiine to edit it. 16:20 Nelson I'll be sure to make a copy of any file that I make edits to, though. I'm probably at the stage where I don't know what I don't know. 16:21 Nelson got to run, thanks again. 16:51 eiro http://www.tinybox.net/astuces/vim/edit-koha-code-vim 16:52 eiro cya all 16:53 pianohacker bye, thanks 16:54 eiro wow .. some more minutes :-) 17:02 eiro this time is the good one 17:03 eiro cya all 17:03 pianohacker bye 20:27 chris morning 21:32 hdl_laptop hi chris 21:43 chris hi hdl_laptop, working weekend? 22:02 hdl_laptop chris: going to bed now. 06:22 sab Hi every one 06:22 sab I am sab from Bangladesh 06:22 sab just trying to use koha 06:23 sab i m very novice on koha 06:23 sab can any one help me to let me know that how i can customize my KOHA?? 06:24 sab I better mention that i have already installed it on my debian machine 06:26 chris probably best to start at http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0 06:27 chris and http://koha.org/documentation/faq 06:27 sab thanx chris 06:27 sab i went through 06:28 sab but from the doc i couldnt get the idea that how i can customize koha as i want 06:28 sab i mean i would like to change the interface first 06:28 sab like the library logo 06:28 sab name of li 06:29 sab so can u plz let me know the this specific thing that i can do on my installed koha 06:29 sab so i ask to many quistion ....as i m very novice on this 06:29 chris you can change those in the system prefereces 06:30 chris http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/administration/global-system-preferences/opac 06:31 sab ok Thanx to u chris 06:31 sab can i get any tutorial for the customization of koha 06:31 sab ?? 06:31 sab i tried it from koha.org 06:31 sab but cant DL any 06:31 sab if u know any can u please help me 06:34 chris http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=160 06:36 sab thank u so much chris 06:36 chris no problem, good luck 06:37 sab :-) 06:38 sab if u wouldnt mind can i get any contact no of u 06:38 sab so that i can ask help from u some times 06:38 chris the best place to ask is on the main koha mailing list 06:38 chris that way lots of people might be able to help 06:38 sab ok 06:39 sab i will try that 06:39 sab I am from Bangladesh 06:39 sab u? 06:39 chris new zealand 06:39 sab wow......home ground of koha 06:40 sab nice to meet with u chris 06:41 sab is there any facebook group/pages for koha lovers and users & Developers 06:41 chris and you, normally during the week there are more people on here 06:41 chris yes, there is page and a group 06:41 chris 2 secs 06:41 sab sure 06:41 sab I am waiting 06:41 chris http://www.facebook.com/pages/Koha-Integrated-Library-System/22629166763?ref=s 06:41 chris and 06:42 chris http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6381238597 06:46 chris threre is a linkedin.com group too 06:46 sab chris i just join there 06:46 sab :-) 06:48 chris cool 06:52 sab hi chris 06:57 sab chris thank u 06:58 sab i m now connected on FB 06:58 sab hoping i will get any future help 06:58 sab and also can help others