Time  Nick          Message
11:58 nahuel        ok
11:58 nahuel        ah
11:58 gmcharlt      that one doesn't apply in HEAD either
11:57 munin         04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3267 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Show items.uri in opac and intranet
11:57 nahuel        Subject: [PATCH][HEAD] (bug #3267) show items.uri in opac and intranet
11:57 nahuel        I sent it
11:55 gmcharlt      nahuel: first patch for 3267 didn't apply against head, and I asked you to resubmit
11:55 nahuel        you asked me it ?
11:55 nahuel        the rsubmission ?
11:55 gmcharlt      nahuel: check back, I don't think I ever got the resubmssion
11:51 nahuel        or not ?
11:51 nahuel        gmcharlt, did you push my patch for the #3267 ticket ?
11:51 nahuel        yep :)
11:48 gmcharlt      not much - did you ping me an hour ago?
11:48 nahuel        gmcharlt, what's up ?
11:48 |Lupin|       Modificaiton of non-creatable array value attempted, subscript -$ at .../cataloguing/z3950_search.pl line 196.
11:46 gmcharlt      hi Amit_
11:46 Amit_         hi galen
11:46 |Lupin|       The following fatal error has occurred:
11:46 |Lupin|       KOha error
11:45 gmcharlt      hi nahuel
11:45 munin         gmcharlt: (lart [<channel>] [<id>] <who|what> [for <reason>]) -- Uses the Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool on <who|what> (for <reason>, if given). If <id> is given, uses that specific lart. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
11:45 gmcharlt      @lart
11:44 munin         Elwell: I suck
11:44 Elwell        @Lart
10:59 nahuel        hi gmcharlt
10:11 |Lupin|       oops, was about to say something wrong. Just forget about it, pls
10:10 |Lupin|       hmm!
09:24 |Lupin|       hi Amit_
09:24 Amit_         hi Lupin
09:23 |Lupin|       back !
09:23 slef          hi Amit_ |Lupin|
09:23 Amit_         hi slef
09:18 |Lupin|       have to reboot, till soon
09:10 |Lupin|       always pleasant to know accessibility-enthusiasts
09:10 |Lupin|       nice to meet you
09:09 |Lupin|       hi slef
08:53 chris         :)
08:52 slef          chris: promise not to tell, but I snuck a look and it's basically accurate. Thanks.  Finding funding is the hard part.
08:46 chris         :)
08:45 slef          chris: ok, will do once co-op meeting finishes
08:45 chris         slef: you might want to read back and see if i misrepresented you
08:44 Elwell        that reminds me - must go do battle with orange.fr and try and get a sim...
08:44 slef          do I cc your personal addresses or is there a shared mailbox?
08:44 slef          3G access in Spain was fun :)
08:44 hdl_laptop    why not.
08:43 slef          cool
08:43 hdl_laptop    he has 3G access
08:43 slef          hdl_laptop: and do either you or paul want a cc?
08:43 hdl_laptop    yes
08:43 slef          hdl_laptop: if I email him, will he see it?
08:43 hdl_laptop    he is coming to UK as far as i know
08:42 slef          hdl_laptop: is nicomo about or has he left?
08:28 |Lupin|       k
08:28 chris         but we are probably moving to Template::Toolkit long term
08:28 hdl_laptop    defintely
08:28 chris         nope
08:28 hdl_laptop    no
08:28 |Lupin|       so not for tomorrow morning :)
08:27 hdl_laptop    pb with jemplate imho is that it would put us away from js frameworkds
08:27 |Lupin|       ow
08:27 hdl_laptop    And would require a rewrite of all templates.
08:26 hdl_laptop    those are not Koha modules at the moment.
08:26 chris         could even
08:26 chris         hmm it probably code, good idea
08:26 |Lupin|       hdl_laptop: these are Koha modules, or external modules ?
08:25 hdl_laptop    chris: maybe Template::ToolKit and Jemplate could help
08:24 |Lupin|       Elwell: and brltty to see what is displayed on screen
08:24 |Lupin|       Elwell: lynx as a web browser
08:14 Elwell        |Lupin|: [offtopic] what software do you use as a web browser  /reader?
08:14 chris         im hoping he is reading this, and will contradict me if i am wrong
08:13 chris         to make things easier to read
08:13 chris         he uses his own stylesheet, iirc
08:13 chris         ah nope his is only slight
08:12 |Lupin|       chris: does he use something like speech synthesis or braille to read the scree, or perhaps magnification ?
08:11 |Lupin|       ah ok
08:11 chris         http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-February/016939.html
08:11 chris         i know that he hates captchas with a passion :) he has a visual impairment himself
08:10 |Lupin|       chris: do you know what makes he being interested in the topic ?
08:10 |Lupin|       chris: oh yes ? many thanks for the information !
08:07 chris         he has a big interest in accessibility
08:06 chris         |Lupin|: slef may be your ally in this
08:05 |Lupin|       chris: agreed
08:05 chris         because its unlikely a library will ask them to do it
08:05 chris         yep, things like that unfortunately have to annoy someone enough for them to want to fix it
08:04 |Lupin|       chris: that'd be really cool indeed... just wondering whether the developers will really find the time and ressources to implement such a feature for less than 2% of the users. Also, it looks as a solution which will work at some point in the future. I will have to find one which works now. I guess I'll have to install gnome, firefox and try to live with it.
08:04 chris         so it would have to be mostly voluntary
08:03 chris         the problem is, it would be hard to find a sponsor to pay someone to do that
08:01 chris         but itd be nice to be able to make critical parts be able to work without js
08:01 chris         98.74645% of ppl would leave it set on
08:01 chris         and make it check that, if its set no js, make the plugin run automagically
08:00 chris         i bet we could have a no js syspref
07:59 chris         dang
07:59 hdl_laptop    on events
07:59 hdl_laptop    plugins are called via js.
07:56 chris         the plugins only work with javascript?
07:54 |Lupin|       chris: yesterday Joe suggested to use the plugins mechanism to fill some mMARC fields automatically. I realize that given Koha's architecture it may be the right place, but that'd mean the mechanism wouldn't work with browsers without Javascript. What do you think ? Can you think about another way to automatically fill some fields ?
07:49 chris         *nod*
07:48 |Lupin|       it'd be very nice to have this link actually. I'm loosing a certain amount of time when I'm in the staff client to find the real beginning of the page (using lynx to connect to it)
07:47 |Lupin|       chris: thanks !
07:45 chris         i like your accessibility idea
07:45 chris         hi |Lupin|
07:44 hdl_laptop    hi |Lupin|
07:43 |Lupin|       hello, everybody
07:33 chris         hi nahuel
07:33 nahuel        hi all :)
07:33 Amit_         hi nahuel
07:32 Amit_         cya mason
07:29 chris         cya mason
07:26 nicomo        hi Amit_
07:26 Amit_         hi nicomo
07:18 chris         back
07:06 hdl_laptop    hi
07:03 chris         hmm dinner time, bbiab
07:00 nicomo        hello everyone
07:00 nicomo        hi chris
07:00 chris         hi nicomo
06:32 eiro          hello
06:18 chris         evening
03:40 Jo            Hi Amit, Brendan, et al
03:34 Amit_         Amit_ is known as Amit
03:29 Amit          hi Jo
03:27 Amit          hi munin
03:27 munin         Amit: downloading the Perl source
03:27 Amit          munin: what command r u typing
03:26 Amit          good morning #koha
03:26 Amit          hi chris, brendan
02:47 munin         brendan: The operation succeeded.
02:47 brendan       @later tell amit hi
00:51 chris         heh
00:40 brendan       had to say shine twice it's so nice
00:40 brendan       I've got nice sunshine shine here ;)
00:39 brendan       hey Jo chris -- how goes the winter?
00:34 chris         deadlines can be pushed out
00:33 chris         i guess thats the bonus with online journal
00:31 chris         cripes
00:28 Jo            Chris: code4lib paper delayed -maybe tomorrow maybe monday
00:27 munin         brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.9°C (5:22 PM PDT on June 24, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling).
00:27 brendan       @wunder 93117
23:54 chris         that dude rules
23:53 pianohacker1  Bye, #koha
23:18 chris         back now
23:18 chris         sorry was attacked by midwives
22:55 pianohacker   Based on my work with the sysprefs editor, I have an odd love for tedious rewriting work
22:55 pianohacker   Only 328 unique names for TMPL_LOOPS; I could make a dictionary mapping loop names to loop item names=
22:50 pianohacker   k
22:49 hdl_laptop    But he is asleep at the moment
22:49 hdl_laptop    mc khatar could tell you more about that.
22:48 pianohacker   hdl_laptop: Hmm, I see the section on VIEWs, but am not sure how it applies
22:47 hdl_laptop    and use that.
22:47 hdl_laptop    pianohacker: it seems though that you can define a view for an object.
22:47 chris         i might try to do that today
22:46 chris         maybe we should just take a crack with opac-main to start
22:46 chris         :)
22:46 chris         it's all objecty
22:45 chris         yep
22:45 pianohacker   Near as I can tell
22:44 pianohacker   Hmm, barrier. Template::Toolkit requires [% FOREACH item IN loop %][% item.var %] rather than just plain [% var %]
22:44 Jo            it didn't fix itself wehile I was sick !
22:44 Jo            all that horrible printer mess still has to be sorted out ..
22:44 Jo            at work today
22:44 Jo            well not really
22:44 Jo            nope
22:42 chris         you still sick jo?
22:41 chris         http://www.pie.geek.nz/qotd/working-in-a-team.html
22:36 pianohacker   Heh. Yeah
22:36 chris         i often give up and end up doing something with bash and perl
22:36 pianohacker   Learning the quirks of yet another regex engine
22:36 chris         sweet :)
22:35 pianohacker   I am working on a sed script as we speak
22:35 chris         hehe
22:35 chris         i was waiting for pianohacker to magically make me a template
22:35 chris         hehe yeah
22:29 pianohacker   Hmm
22:29 gmcharlt      code, no templates
22:23 chris         http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=lib/Koha/Templates.pm;
22:22 chris         havent got much further
22:16 pianohacker   Had any chance to play with Template::Toolkit?
22:16 pianohacker   Hehe
22:16 chris         not gonna look :)
22:16 chris         undoubtedly a big pile
22:15 pianohacker   Pile of work waiting for you? I always am just a bit afraid to go on vacation
22:14 pianohacker   Hah, crisp winter day. On vacation in Carlsbad, NM, where you have to run the A/C 24/7
22:13 chris         2nd to last day of my paternity leave
22:13 chris         not bad, crisp winter day
22:12 pianohacker   How are things in your part of the world?
22:12 pianohacker   hey
22:12 chris         hiya pianohacker
22:11 pianohacker   good afternoon, #koha
22:05 schuster      Sorry as part of the 650 subjects
22:05 schuster      Question about Marc Export and Authorities.  When I export my database the $9892343 numbers are exporting on the bib as well.  Is there a way to not export that info?
21:44 chris         stink
21:42 wizzyrea      AGAIN.
21:42 wizzyrea      it was 40ºC here earlier... too hot
21:08 chris         hi joetho
21:02 joetho        good morning southerners.
20:41 chris         morning richard
20:34 richard       hi
20:31 chris         blue skies out there, gonna be an alright winter day i think
20:31 munin         chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on June 25, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
20:31 chris         @wunder wellington, new zealand
20:19 chris         morning
20:10 schuster      The staff templates are hard coded and are NOT editable, but the OPAC XSLT's are...
19:48 wizzyrea_away yepper
19:48 joetho        thanks liz- got it
19:42 wizzyrea_away :)
19:42 wizzyrea_away so YAY
19:42 wizzyrea_away schuster: someone told me way back that the xslt templates were hard coded and they'd always use prog, but if you solved it then that's probably no longer the case
19:35 schuster      OK found it... thanks for the help...  Where's the "That was EASY" button!  WHOO WHO!
19:23 schuster      hmm will look further thanks for the suggestion!
19:23 owen          Sorry, I don't have any idea :(
19:23 schuster      Is it located someplace else?
19:23 schuster       tmpl-custom/pisd-opac/en/xslt
19:21 schuster      hmmm interesting - when I changed that nothing happened - do you know how they are tracking at LibLime local customizations ?  I am looking at that file in the
19:05 owen          Same for the search results, MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl, on line 805
19:04 owen          If you change it to "abcg" it shows the location
19:04 owen          That's telling it to display subfields b, c, and/or g
19:04 owen          <xsl:with-param name="codes">bcg</xsl:with-param>
19:04 owen          Line 178 of MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl:
19:03 owen          Looks like it's a one-character change in the XSL file
19:01 schuster      Currently in the summary or Detail it does not show.
19:01 owen          You talking about the detail page?
19:01 schuster      For a bibliography that is all that is currently missing from that screen for citing a source.
19:00 schuster      Student being public OPAC view
19:00 schuster      So I have a question about the student XSLT...  If we needed to have the place of publication to show on the display from the 260 along with the publisher would that be hard?
18:59 schuster      Howdy!
18:58 owen          Hi schuster
17:57 gmcharlt      vedran: only likely difference is that certain packages such Yaz and Zebra may need to be compiled from source
17:56 gmcharlt      vedran: should be possible
17:31 vedran        is it possible to install KOHA on Linux machines with powerpc processor. I have opensuse ppc anwith php, perl, apache, mysql etc.
17:06 |Lupin|       c u later all, bye !
17:06 |Lupin|       awesome conversation
17:06 |Lupin|       thanks a lot for your help joe
17:06 |Lupin|       atz: okay.
17:03 atz           yes
16:57 |Lupin|       atz: and form within the plugin, you have access to, e.g., the biblionumber that has been associated to the record by koha ?
16:57 |Lupin|       atz: okay, thanks
16:55 atz           is an example of one
16:55 atz           cataloguing/value_builder/dateaccessioned.pl
16:55 |Lupin|       perhaps a starting point in the git tree ?
16:55 |Lupin|       okay, too bad
16:54 atz           not enough docs, unfortunately
16:52 |Lupin|       atz: care there documentations about the plugin system, please ?
16:51 |Lupin|       right
16:51 atz           yes, but the arrow goes both ways  :)
16:50 |Lupin|       it's koha => MARC mappings you are talking about ?
16:50 atz           among other things, they control what fields show up or are required in the MARC editor
16:50 |Lupin|       ah
16:49 atz           frameworks define the relationship between Koha DB structure and MARC records
16:49 |Lupin|       what are frameworks ?
16:49 atz           *dependent
16:49 atz           it has to do a lot, and everybody wants 100 different configurations, so it is very depended on Frameworks
16:48 |Lupin|       atz: yes, I understand your point very well
16:48 atz           in what regard?  there is an API, but the MARC editor is *very* tricky
16:48 |Lupin|       atz: there is no structured and trust-worthy perl API ?
16:48 atz           and then you don't have to worry about future updates merging badly
16:47 atz           the plugin structure is the cleaner way to go
16:47 atz           there may be other means, but I would avoid trying to hack "inside" the cataloging code
16:47 |Lupin|       atz: on another side I perfectly understand why doing it in Javascript would make sense
16:47 atz           true, you will need a modern browser to test
16:46 |Lupin|       atz: still I would not be able to test it by myself...
16:46 |Lupin|       atz: ok
16:46 |Lupin|       If you think it would, well, I'll probably have to dig into the javascript thing...
16:46 atz           the plugin is generated by perl, but outputs javascript that is included in the cataloging page
16:45 |Lupin|       would that be completely non-sense ?
16:45 |Lupin|       atz: I'd prefer a solution in the Perl scripts..
16:45 |Lupin|       atz: Actually I'd prefer an solution that is not javascript base, because I'm a lynx user and Javascript won't be very easy for me to test
16:44 |Lupin|       atz: okay.
16:44 |Lupin|       and it will then talk to the file server
16:44 |Lupin|       so the URLs we want to have in the bib records are just to call this script with the right parameters
16:44 atz           so if you can write script (javascript) to produce the same deterministic location, then you can put that in a 856 plugin
16:43 |Lupin|       atz: ye, we realize that.
16:43 |Lupin|       by script I mean a CGI perl script
16:43 |Lupin|       and we have a script that is in charge of talking to our file server
16:43 |Lupin|       atz: it is deterministic
16:43 atz           that seems fine, though you may have to rebuild the integration
16:42 |Lupin|       then, once the web part has been re-donce with Koha, we will study the file server issue and decide whether we should keep our own or find one we could use
16:42 atz           what rules govern the location?
16:42 atz           ok, so the question is whether the file location on your server is deterministic or not
16:42 |Lupin|       we'd like to keep it
16:42 |Lupin|       at least as a first step
16:41 |Lupin|       and
16:41 |Lupin|       atz: we already have a home-made file server
16:41 atz           Kete allows robust document metadata
16:41 |Lupin|       atz: we have.
16:41 atz           there has been some documented work with using Kete and Koha together
16:41 |Lupin|       atz: yes it is, and that's why we are pretty sure we _will_ have to modify KOha to achieve our goals. We don't expect the mainstream koha to fullfill ll our requirements. We just think it's the closest thing we can find
16:41 atz           at least partially.... you still haven't decided what system will store the actual content/files, right?
16:40 |Lupin|       atz: do you think you know understand my question ?
16:40 atz           i think your use case is a bit unusual
16:39 atz           no problem
16:39 |Lupin|       atz: not throwing the fault on you by saying that, I realize my mail may have been rather obscure
16:38 |Lupin|       atz: yes, the end of your mail made sense to me. Regarding he beginning, I think it was a bit misunderstandign the question
16:37 |Lupin|       so the plugin thing may be wht I'm looking for
16:37 |Lupin|       the URL is indeed derived from the book biblionumber, asyou say,
16:37 |Lupin|       I do not expect koha to know where the files will be stored
16:37 atz           did it make sense?
16:37 atz           ah, ok
16:37 |Lupin|       (on the koha list)
16:36 |Lupin|       atz: I'm the one who posted the mail you replied to
16:36 atz           ?
16:36 |Lupin|       atz: here ?
16:24 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: no problem ! It's normal if I want things to go in a positive direction :-)
16:22 gmcharlt      hi |Lupin|, thanks for sending the email
16:16 |Lupin|       our network was down for a while
16:16 |Lupin|       hi again
15:26 owen          Those notices are either sent to the KohaAdminEmailAddress or to the email address configured for the individual branches (if present)
15:24 Snow_Fox      hey quick question, from my understanding koha sends out a email for over due notices and someone else is working on a html dump, where is the setting to give koha the email it needs to send those and where can i find the setting for the admin email dump when the patron doesnt have a email
14:32 |Lupin|       I'll subscribe and start it...
14:32 |Lupin|       okay
14:31 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: ok! help represents half of the templates...
14:31 gmcharlt      |Lupin|: yep, can be, although i suggest also starting a thread on koha-devel before the meeting
14:31 gmcharlt      *pretty easy
14:31 |Lupin|       perhaps this could be discussed during the next Koha meeting...
14:31 gmcharlt      |Lupin|: doing that for help would be pretty, actually - not much of a header in the help popus
14:31 |Lupin|       but perhaps the work could be shared among several volounteers
14:30 |Lupin|       obviously for one person it would be a lot of work
14:30 |Lupin|       perhaps there is some structure there, I didn't check
14:30 |Lupin|       actually the bigest directory is the help
14:30 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: yes, 361 templates for the staff client, if my count is correct
14:27 ebegin        ouf. :)
14:27 munin         ebegin: *click*
14:27 ebegin        @roulette
14:27 SirStan       and be impossible to maintain
14:27 SirStan       and would concievably require the same amount of work ... you still need to figureo ut what templates aer used where, and what id's are the "content".
14:27 owen          ...and just as much effort, no?
14:27 SirStan       ebegin: hackery.
14:27 ebegin        hi soul9
14:26 ebegin        |Lupin|, what about setting a variable giving the target div?
14:26 soul9         hey everyone ☺
14:24 gmcharlt      but could be rather a lot of templates to touch, as owen says
14:24 gmcharlt      may be an opportunity to apply even more structure to the template include files
14:24 SirStan       I can't say I have seen it used uniformly.
14:24 SirStan       Is a "skip to content" a usability best practice?
14:23 gmcharlt      |Lupin|: yes
14:21 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: did you see the conversation about the "skip to content" feature ?
14:20 ebegin        :)
14:20 gmcharlt      that's what I thought (I knew the myth; French, not so much)
14:19 ebegin        gmcharlt, Arianne is also Ariadne in english
14:18 ebegin        Arianne was the daughter of King Minos, in greek mythology.  She was living a string in a labyrinth to prevent Thesee from being lost.
14:16 ebegin        It basically the same idea than Hansem & Gretel & Pretzel :)
14:14 gmcharlt      Ariadne's thread?
14:14 |Lupin|       ebegin: oh really ? I would have translated it by miettes de pain, which, given the context, makes as much sense to me as "fil d'ariane"
14:13 ebegin        Lupin, in french, a breadcrumbs would be a "fil d'arianne
14:06 |Lupin|       so that's a lot of work...
14:06 |Lupin|       361
14:06 |Lupin|       koha/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules$ find . -name '*.tmpl' | wc -l
14:05 |Lupin|       yep
14:03 owen          Yes, it depends very much on the function of each page
14:03 |Lupin|       owen: but there is content one may want to skip in the pages, after the header. Too bad.
14:03 |Lupin|       owen: firs I thought the div could be added at the end of header.inc, and closed at the begin of bottom.inc
14:02 |Lupin|       owen: I came to a similar conclusion
14:00 owen          Sounds like a daunting task, but doing a quick inspection of staff client pages doesn't show me any good consistent ID one could use
13:58 |Lupin|       the only problem is to find out an appropriate target. Perhaps a div should be added on purpose to each page
13:57 |Lupin|       I think bascaly the only thing that needs to be done is to add a link to headerinc
13:57 |Lupin|       to make navigation a bit easier for visually impaired persons
13:56 |Lupin|       I was trying to figure out how to implement a "Skip to content" link on top of each page
13:56 |Lupin|       actually
13:56 |Lupin|       owen: ah okay, I see
13:56 |Lupin|       owen: okay, understood, at least for the fairy tale part. What's the connection with the navigation system, though ?
13:55 owen          Breadcrumb navigation shows you the links to navigate back up the hierarchy from where you are
13:55 owen          The reference is to the fairy tale about Hansel and Gretel, where the children leave breadcrumbs along the path to find their way back
13:54 owen          breadcrumbs refers to a type of navigation system
13:54 owen          Hi |Lupin|
13:48 |Lupin|       does somebody know the meaning, please ?
13:48 |Lupin|       I am wondering what breadcrumbs means...
13:48 |Lupin|       <div id="breadcrumbs"><a href="/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl">...
13:40 ebegin        Anybody here is  (or has clients) using kits.  I mean multiple biblio that are regroup in a kit that can be borrow?
13:38 ebegin        salut Lupin
13:38 |Lupin|       hi ebegin
13:38 ebegin        good morning #koha
12:21 |Lupin|       so that the info is displayed in the webpage, for instance...
12:21 |Lupin|       how can one print debigging information in a koha script, please ?
12:10 hdl_laptop    hi jwagner
12:02 jwagner       Sorry, been off on another screen.  Good morning.