Time  Nick        Message
12:34 slef        gmcharlt: I'm just perpetually freaked out at conferences anyway.  I get name-checked in sessions when I don't expect it, stuff like that.
13:40 ebegin      Anybody know if there is a way to keep the item number during the import?  It seems that the 952$9 is not working.
13:41 hdl_laptop  keep the imtenumber can you tell more ?
13:41 hdl_laptop  update existing items ?
13:41 hdl_laptop  or add some items with predefined itemnumber ?
13:42 ebegin      Yes, adding some item with predefined itemnumber, of course, only for the initial import from another system
13:43 ebegin      This would be very helpfull for the migration of the circulation data (holds, loans, ...)
13:44 hdl_laptop  That looks quite not really handy since itemnumber is AUTOINCREMENT => it would be incremented on update if you send some id (as far as i can tell)
13:44 gmcharlt    ebegin: do the items not have unique barcodes?
13:47 ebegin      gmcharlt, that what I used to do a mapping from the old item number to the new one.  Then, when importing the circ data, I replaced the old one by the new one.
13:48 ebegin      it worked great, but this is an additional step that could have been avoid if Koha was able to use 952$9 as the itemnumber.
13:50 gmcharlt    IMO letting the loader try to set the value of an autoincrement opaque identifier is asking for trouble
13:50 gmcharlt    it's one thing to do this during initial migration
13:51 gmcharlt    but leaving it in the default loader for ongoing record imports can lead to unecessary unique key violation warnings
13:52 ebegin      agree!  Maybe this could be an option during the staging phase
13:58 joetho      good morning, -any thoughts on adding the American kohaconsort-l consortium listserv to the page at http://koha.org/about/get-involved/mailing-lists/mailing-listsg   ???
14:01 gmcharlt    joetho: sure - where is the list's home page?
14:10 ccurry      I have another question about Koha LDAP integration.  The LDAP configuration in koha-conf.xml seems to have been accepted (no errors), but the koha borrowers database has not been updated.  I've tried logging into Koha's public and admin interfaces using every way of referencing the domain I know of and not referencing it at all, with no luck.  Is there a command that needs to be run in...
14:10 ccurry      ...order to update the borrowers database?
14:23 ccurry      The documentation I used is here: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:ldap
14:25 joetho      Galen- I sent an email to the director in Indiana who evidently started that listserv, and I am hoping he will rise to the bait.
14:26 gmcharlt    joetho: it wouldn't be strictly required, but a list home page with (preferably) open archives would improve the listing
15:06 gmcharlt    ccurry: both the replicate and update optonis are set, I assume?  anything interesting in the Apache error log?
15:08 ccurry      Both options are set to 1...didn't think to check the Apache logs...oops.  Sorry about all the newbie questions...and thanks for the assistance.  I'll have a look.
15:12 ccurry      Nothing relevant in the Apache logs, *I think*.  I'd find them all at /var/log/apache2, right?
15:13 gmcharlt    not necessarily
15:13 gmcharlt    check the config for the vhost you're using for koha
15:13 gmcharlt    as by default they aren't in /var/log/apache2
15:34 ccurry      I found the koha logs and it looks like my attribute for password doesn't exist in the LDAP database...I couldn't find it specifically referenced in Microsoft docs, so I tried "userPassword"; ugh...I hate Microsoft.  I guess I'll see if I can track down the correct password attribute.
15:36 ebegin      ccurry,  <password is=""></password>
15:36 ccurry      Ok.  I'll try that.
15:39 ccurry      ebegin: I tried blanking out the is attribute in password and still get "LDAP Auth rejected : invalid password for user 'ccurry'. LDAP error #16: LDAP_NO_SUCH_ATTRIBUTE" & "The request referenced an attribute that does not exist"
15:40 ebegin      what is your password? ;)
15:40 ccurry      ;)
15:41 ebegin      can you paste your mapping?
15:45 Sharon      Hi all. Does bug 3160 *change* an item status from LOST to found (blank)?
15:46 ccurry      ebegin: <password is="userPassword"></password>
15:46 ebegin      ccurry, I mean the whole mapping, on pastbin
15:46 gmcharlt    Sharon: the patch doesn't do so explicitly, but may enable the status change
15:47 gmcharlt    Sharon: I assume that you want the status to be changed?
15:47 ccurry      Ah. Just a sec.
15:47 Sharon      gmcharlt yes, we want the status to change - is someone working on that?
15:48 ebegin      ccurry, on my config, I didn't put the "userPassword". i simply have <password is=""></password>
15:48 gmcharlt    Sharon: justed tested in the development tip
15:48 gmcharlt    Sharon: it looks like the status change is taking place
15:48 ccurry      ebegin: I tried that as well with the same result.
15:49 Sharon      gmcharlt great - I will report this to our users group in like 5 minutes!
15:49 ebegin      ccurry, ok.  waiting for your mapping though :)
15:49 Sharon      gmcharlt is it just LOST or also damaged and missing?
15:50 ccurry      ebegin: http://pastebin.ca/1428881
15:51 gmcharlt    Sharon: it wouldn't affect the damaged field
15:51 gmcharlt    Sharon: it does work for any lost status
15:51 gmcharlt    Sharon: but note that that if works only if there's a loan
15:52 gmcharlt    if the item just has the lost status, but no loan to a patron
15:52 Sharon      gmcharlt OK, good to know.  We can report on the damaged items to keep track of them.
15:52 gmcharlt    the status doesn't currently get changed
15:52 ebegin      ccurry, can you try samaccountname, all lowercase
15:52 Sharon      our libraries were assuming that checking in a missing/lost item changed the status from lost.  They'll be glad to know that this patch is coming.
15:52 ccurry      ebegin: sure; will do.
15:53 ebegin      ccurry, here is my mapping http://pastebin.ca/1428887
15:54 Sharon      we may discuss paying for an enhancement that changes a LOST status whenever the barcode is checked in, regardless of how that status was set (via a patron checkout or by a staff member changing it)
15:57 ccurry      ebegin: tried your mapping; still can't log in as AD user and borrow database not updated. :(
15:57 root        q
15:57 root        quit
15:57 ccurry      It must be accessing the LDAP server, right, if it's recognizing the user and returning LDAP errors?
15:58 ebegin      ccurry, check Joe's answer to your email.
15:58 jatillaso   hello
15:58 ccurry      ebegin: thanks for your help.  Will do
15:58 jatillaso   i have a questions about mod_perl and koha
15:59 jatillaso   anyone could help me?
15:59 gmcharlt    jatillaso: what's up?
15:59 jatillaso   hi gmcharlt
15:59 jatillaso   i'm trying to run koha with mod_perl
16:00 jatillaso   but i have errors sometimes
16:00 jatillaso   sometimes it works and sometimes not
16:00 jatillaso   this is explained in this link http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/porting.html#Sometimes_it_Works__Sometimes_it_Doesn_t
16:00 jatillaso   and it tells that the possible cause is global variables
16:01 jatillaso   do you know any tips about it?
16:01 jatillaso   how to run koha without problems under mod_perl?
16:01 gmcharlt    jatillaso: at best Koha will work with Apache::PerlRun, not Apache::Registry
16:02 gmcharlt    and you may need to set  PerlSetVar PerlRunOnce On
16:02 gmcharlt
16:02 gmcharlt    in your Apache config
16:02 jatillaso   aha
16:02 jatillaso   in apache2.conf i put a line like: PerlRunOnce On
16:02 jatillaso   and thats it?
16:03 jatillaso   or PerlSetVar PerlRunOnce On
16:04 jatillaso   what is Apache::Registry ??
16:07 jatillaso   i follow the koha documentation about configure mod_perl, but this is whats happens, sometimes works and sometimes not. Produces a 500 error, and in koha log: undefined subrutine
16:13 jatillaso   were developing some koha tools to a library that it will have lot of visits
16:13 jatillaso   and mod_perl could help us because it's faster than cgi
16:14 jatillaso   gmcharlt, do you configure any koha in mod_perl, and it runs correctly, without my problems?
16:15 gmcharlt    gmcharlt: no; some do, but I'm not sure about the current 3.x
16:16 jatillaso   aha,
16:17 jatillaso   and what is Apache::Registry ??
16:17 jatillaso   where can i change it?
16:17 gmcharlt    Apache::Registry is another way of running Perl scripts under mod_perl
16:17 gmcharlt    but requires a lot more cleanup of the Perl code to completely remove global and package-level variables
16:18 jatillaso   where i found Apache::Registry, i replace it with Apache::PerlRun ?
16:19 gmcharlt    jatillaso: yes
16:20 jatillaso   thank you,
16:20 jatillaso   i'll try it
16:21 jatillaso   i have to see if that works with it, and tell you
16:21 jatillaso   thanks, bye
16:22 gmcharlt    you're welcome
16:49 joetho      sharon: what is the "development tip" you mention?
16:50 Sharon      joetho what development tip did I mention?
16:50 joetho      whoops.
16:51 joetho      Galen did, at like 10:48 my time, speaking to you.
16:51 gmcharlt    joetho: "development tip" that I mentioned is just shorthand for say that I tested against the most recent version from the public Koha git
16:51 joetho      I figure he has his own stuff like that.
16:51 joetho      see?
16:52 gmcharlt    tip o' the tree
16:52 joetho      I am working on having my own testbed Koha but it isn't going to happen today or tomorrow.
16:53 gmcharlt    joetho: sounds like a perfect Memorial Day activity to me
16:53 gmcharlt    Koha, a couple bacon donuts on the grill .. heaven!
16:54 Sharon      joetho Liz created a test installation here within the last two weeks and might be willing to help...if you ask nicely
16:55 pianohacker Sounds like quite the installfest
17:31 joetho      sharon: well there's yer answer, rotchair (see 12:17 entry)
17:33 joetho      whoops, I just realized that only shows up live. Sharon volunteered Liz, who almost immediately logged off. heh heh heh
17:36 wizzyrea    lol noes he's gone
17:36 wizzyrea    man I walk away for a second and look what happens ^.^
17:37 gmcharlt    wizzyrea: you're now QA manager, btw
17:37 pianohacker Hehehe
17:37 wizzyrea    ./facepalm
17:37 pianohacker Instead of a plaque, you get this lovely rubber cheesecake
17:37 wizzyrea    Ooh!
17:37 wizzyrea    Only if it bounces
17:49 Sharon      where is there info in the KOha manual about the the Lost status and how it behaves in the catalog?
17:49 Sharon      We are having an argument, I mean discussion, about whether setting an item to LOST is behaving different than it did.
17:51 Sharon      Found it in the manual...appendix
18:54 pianohacker By removing <!-- TMPL_IF atdestination --> from lines 129 and 165 of opac-user.tmpl, you get a tab that shows only those holds that are waiting
18:55 pianohacker git blame shows that those two lines were last edited in the 3.0 merge
18:56 pianohacker I'm going to try to fix that up and send in a patch, unless someone knows why that tab was broken
19:03 gmcharlt    what version of the file are you talking about?  there's nothing like that at line 129 of the tempalte
19:04 pianohacker Let me check to make sure something odd isn't going on with my git
19:05 pianohacker Ah, line numbers were shifted by some edits I'd done. 111 and  147.
19:05 pianohacker Sorry 'bout that
19:08 gmcharlt    pianohacker: one question might be why atdestination is never set
19:08 pianohacker It's possible it was meant to not show the holds tab if everything was in transit, but why would you want that?
19:08 pianohacker *waiting tab
19:16 Sharon      we're discussing the fines module - is a re-write in the works?
19:17 Sharon      we have 2 of our 20+ libraries interested in co-sponsoring
19:18 gmcharlt    Sharon: yes, we're doing some work to clean it for WALDO
19:18 gmcharlt    pianohacker: well, if everything is in transit, nothing is waiting
19:18 gmcharlt    but explicitly testing for a waiting status is probably clearer
19:19 Sharon      gmcharlt is that WALDO work for 3.0 or 3.2?
19:19 gmcharlt    3.2
19:19 Sharon      ok, thanks
19:19 Sharon      BTW, the LOST status is NOT behaving/triggering the way the manual says it should.  worth a support request?
19:20 gmcharlt    yes
19:20 Sharon      will do, danke
20:35 schuster    What are you seeing Sharon dealing with fines?
20:36 schuster    Also are you doing a support request on the 245 b/p issue I saw noted at Keggers? or how should we handled that as that came up again yesterday here.
20:38 chris       man who shifted the south pole into wellington brrrr
20:41 chris       good grief daniel must have been sitting on those patches for a while, or he had an extraordinarily productive day :-)
20:42 gmcharlt    heh - they're my patches
20:43 gmcharlt    Dan just tested and signed off on them
20:43 chris       ahh
20:45 wizzyrea    schuster: supposedly the 245 stuff has been fixed?
20:49 pianohacker cya all
20:52 Sharon      Schuster sorry, distractions. we are seeing frustrated librarians dealing with fines b/c a fine is treated as an event, instead of a debit/credit on an account.  Each $.05 fine event has to be dealt with in whole, you can't pay partial fines.  As I understand the situation.
20:55 Sharon      Schuster bug 2771 seems to address the 245 issues, it's assigned to Paul P.
20:55 chris       yeah that definitely needs to be fixed, you used to be able to, on the pay screen you used to be able to select the fines to pay OR enter amount at the bottom
20:55 chris       HLT will want that back too
20:55 Sharon      Chris that's what we surmised from a past discussion on the list and I was told WALDO is sponsoring some work on fines, too.
20:56 chris       yay
20:56 Sharon      I'm too lazy to go find the rfc and see exactly what they're fixing
20:57 chris       i will try to look later, unfortunately at the moment i have to go write jquery to make comments on blogs expand and collapse
20:57 Sharon      programmers work is never done
21:00 Sharon      here's another spec for partial payment of fines for ICAN
21:12 chris       http://akoha.com/people/ranginui/
21:12 chris       named after A Koha
21:12 chris       how could you not play :)
21:13 chris       right thats my good deed for the day done, back to work
21:14 wizzyrea    chris: still no wee cormack?
21:14 chris       not yet
21:16 wizzyrea    oof, mama's probably getting impatient
21:17 chris       well he isnt due til june 6 ... but yeah hes hanging in there longer than his older brother did
21:18 chris       kahurangi is impatient to 'play cars' which is apparently what is going to happen when he is born
21:26 atz         chris: the "directed payment" was never properly implemented
21:26 ebegin      chris: akoha was developped here in montreal :)
21:27 atz         it needs to be implemented as a foreign key constraint referencing the same table
21:27 chris       *nod*
21:27 atz         or we need different tables for fines and credits/payments
21:27 chris       it certainly wasnt perfect, but hlt were happy with it for 8 years, so they will want it back .. fixed and working properly :)
21:28 chris       that was originally what the accountoffsets was for
21:28 chris       (payments)
21:28 chris       but it all got munged up about 5 different times :)
21:29 atz         yeah, i've been complaining about fines since I started on koha
21:29 chris       i think now we have a much better handle on how different libraries want it to work too, so can do a decent job on it this time round
21:29 chris       ebegin: cool :)
21:31 chris       atz: i think i even have a work request from hlt about filed yesterday
21:31 chris       today im not on koha work tho, but tomorrow i will try to go through and figure out whats being worked on and by whom and how i can help :)
21:46 ebegin      chris: the grooveshark interface is awesome!  I like the way we can queue song at the bottom of the screen
21:47 wizzyrea    oh man, grooveshark is the shizzle
21:47 wizzyrea    ok, I'm giving up and going home. ttyl everyone
21:47 chris       yeah grooveshark does a lot right
21:47 wizzyrea    (and good song, chris ;)
21:47 chris       cya wizzyrea
21:53 ebegin      Good evening everyone!
22:03 chris       cya ebegin
22:59 Jo          Morning all
23:00 chris       hi jo
23:01 Jo          Morena
23:01 Jo          how are you today
23:02 Jo          (and i'm glad bub didn't come last night .. would have been a cold one)
23:02 Jo          Hey, does anyone know if I can use koha 3.0 to produce a run of patron barcode numbers?
23:05 chris       hmm dont know about that one
00:08 jmr_        jo do you want to print the barcodes in barcode font?
00:09 Jo          hiya
00:10 Jo          i have to make some temporary patron cards, so would like a barcode and human readable number printed above or below as well.
00:10 gmcharlt    Jo: it can print patron cards
00:10 gmcharlt    access via same interface as spine labels
00:10 Jo          i have a online generator which does them 1 at a time (producing gif files)
00:10 Jo          oh cool - i'll have a look. thanks.
00:13 jmr_        you could also creat a report and download the csv file, and further manipulate it to your hearts content in word or excel
00:14 gmcharlt    yup
00:15 Jo          cool. thanks for your help gents
04:51 Amit        hi chris, mason, brendan
04:51 Amit        good morning #koha
05:09 brendan_    heya amit
05:09 brendan_    how you doing?
05:14 Amit        everything is fine
05:14 Amit        doing some data migration
05:15 Amit        brendan: u?
05:15 brendan_    getting ready to go to bed
05:16 brendan_    what are you migrating data from ?
05:23 Amit        from access to marc
05:23 Amit        hi
05:23 Amit        hdl
05:23 brendan     cool -- good luck amit
05:24 ebegin      Hi amit.  Having fun with Marc Edit I guess
05:24 ebegin      hi brendan.
05:24 brendan     hi ebegin
05:24 Amit        hi ebegin
05:24 Amit        brendan:http://kohav3demo.osslabs.biz/
05:24 Amit        check
05:24 Amit        yes using marc edit ebegin
05:25 brendan     I think this is the first hello on IRC...  good to finally get a chance to say hi -- ebegin
05:25 ebegin      I followed some of you IRC episode about the situation in Santa Barbara, but I stayed quiet :)
05:26 ebegin      Everything is under control now?
05:26 brendan     yes -- I'm on the road now  - traveling
05:27 brendan     the fire was scary -- but also kind of exciting to watch at the same time
05:28 Amit        brendan: on 5th june i m going to delhi
05:28 ebegin      Was it the first time that it came that close?
05:28 ebegin      amit, where are you now?
05:28 brendan     cool -- Amit you should send me some curry powder!
05:28 Amit        right now i m working in www.osslabs.biz bangalore India
05:29 Amit        brendan: which type curry powder?
05:29 Amit        chicken curry
05:29 brendan     First time it came that close for me -- but there has been three fires in the last 8 months...  I don't think there is anything left to burn
05:30 brendan     Amit -- some hot curry powder....  or some marble from agra !
05:30 Amit        hmm
05:30 Amit        Taj Mahal marble
05:31 brendan     I still have a little bit of hot curry powder left from my last trip to delhi...
05:31 brendan     I can make some -- ok tasting -- sag dal
05:31 Amit        hmm
05:31 brendan     not sure if I said that correctly -- the sag dal part that is
05:31 Amit        i love razma rice
05:32 Amit        sag dal yes i know
05:32 brendan     I also like to have rita
05:33 brendan     ebegin -- kind of late there for you?
05:33 ebegin      yep, 1h33am
05:33 brendan     heh
05:33 Amit        rita means? brendan
05:33 brendan     yogurt and vegetables
05:34 brendan     not sure about the spelling
05:34 ebegin      I'm looking for a good project management software :)
05:34 Amit        ok
05:34 brendan     I'd say hire someone with OCD disorder
05:34 Amit        brendan; r u like which type of indian food
05:35 brendan     veg
05:35 ebegin      Amit, I see that osslabs offers support for dotProject.  How good is this software? (do you know it)
05:36 Amit        ebegin: not as good as koha
05:36 ebegin      :)
05:36 ebegin      are you using it internally?
05:41 Amit        no ebgin
05:41 Amit        sory ebegin
05:42 ebegin      no problem.  :)
05:47 brendan     goodnight #koha -- I'm off to bed
07:34 chris       evening
07:35 thd         chris: good evening
07:36 chris       hiya thd, hows things?
07:37 thd         chris: slef has implied yesterday on the koha list in the context of the new website that kados and tina are not reading the koha list.
07:37 thd         things are more or less OK as long as I stop volunteering to fix Vista
07:38 chris       ahh yeah, always a good thing to not volunteer
07:39 chris       im sure they are reading, i just dont think slef has been seeing much action wrt the website
07:40 thd         I have the volunteering spirit but discovered that grub does not play well with multiple Windows installations on the same machine.
07:40 thd         EasyBCD solved the Vista and XP boot problem where Grub failed
07:41 thd         Are kados and tina responding to website issues off the public Koha lists?
07:46 chris       i dont know, not that ive seen
07:47 thd         I am supposing that LibLime is going to put forward a Koha foundation in much the same way: join it with their rules or be left out.
07:50 chris       i hope not, but i fear that maybe yes
07:53 thd         BibLibre have not said much about the new website on the public list despite the suggestion out of ignorance from kados that koha-fr.org should simply be redirected to koha.org .
07:54 chris       Biblibre have been very busy, but i think they have finished meetings and conferences for a while so they might be more vocal
08:27 Hui_Nan_    hi all!
08:27 chris       hi Hui_Nan_
08:27 Hui_Nan_    how much time does it takes for patch to be accepted?
08:27 chris       gmcharlt asked me to tell you to check your mailer
08:28 chris       because we didnt see that patch arrive at the patches@koha.org mailing list
08:28 Hui_Nan_    ok
08:35 chris       http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-May/date.html#start
08:35 chris       in case i missed seeing it
08:36 Hui_Nan_    no, I'm not listed
08:37 Hui_Nan_    it seems to me that git send-email does some kind of local delivery despite the smtp server is configured in ~/.gitconfig
08:39 Hui_Nan_    so I sent patches using --smtp-server option %-)
08:40 Hui_Nan_    wow! i'm there! ;-)
08:41 chris       :)
11:35 gmcharlt    good morning
11:44 Hui_Nan_    evening :-)
11:45 gmcharlt    Hui_Nan_: thanks for checking your mailer :)
11:45 Hui_Nan_    always welcome
11:48 gmcharlt    Hui_Nan_: I'm going to cherry-pick the Russian and Ukrainian installer SQL from 3.0.x into HEAD
11:50 Hui_Nan_    good
11:54 gmcharlt    Hui_Nan_: you're subscribed to koha-translate, right?
11:54 Hui_Nan_    not yet
11:56 Hui_Nan_    actually i would like to see how to implement Koha at my library - fix bugs, add features which are required
11:56 Hui_Nan_    translation is the last task
11:56 gmcharlt    ah, sounds like koha-devel is more for you