Time Nick Message 11:30 gmcharlt slef: I'll make sure that the next KohaCon you're able to attend has at least one session on MARC :) 11:29 gmcharlt good morning 09:50 chris heh 09:48 slef even though I call myself MJ 09:48 slef it still freaks me out when people are discussing MARC in seminars 09:40 kf thx chris 09:39 chris good luck 09:37 kf dont know, but I will better start working now and read some more MARC21 documentation 09:36 chris i hope your bosses appreciate how hard you are working :) 09:36 kf and documentation is in English 09:34 chris makes it harder when you are learning 2 things at once 09:34 chris yeah 09:33 kf and it doesn't help that Germany is switching to MARC and Koha is one of the first systems we test our data with 09:32 chris heh 09:32 kf I will quote you 09:32 chris everytime i read the rules for it, it reminds me how annoying it is :) 09:31 chris Most Annoying Retarded Catalogue 09:31 chris thats what R stands for :) 09:31 chris MARC is retarded 09:31 chris In records formulated according to ISBD principles, subfield $a includes all data up to and including the next mark of ISBD punctuation (a colon (:) when subfield $a is followed by subfield $b, a semicolon (;) when subfield $a is followed by another subfield $a, and a comma (,) when subfield $a is followed by subfield $c). 09:30 chris not as far as i know 09:30 kf ok 09:30 chris nope 09:30 kf and wondered if there is a special name for them in MARC21 context 09:29 chris its to do with the ISBD and old card catalogue days 09:29 kf yes, I found that out. I got data from our union catalog where all those signs are missing 09:28 chris because when it displays in most systems it displays title : subtitle 09:28 chris (subtitle) 09:28 chris if there is a $b field 09:28 chris you only have a : an the a 09:28 kf German word is "Deskriptionszeichen" 09:27 kf yes, but isn't there a word for those signs in MARC21 context? 09:27 chris is the english name for : 09:27 chris colon 09:27 kf there is a : at the end of the field, but I dont know how to call them 09:27 kf when used in MARC21,for example: 245 10$aCancer research : 09:26 kf hi hdl 09:24 hdl_laptop signs ? 09:22 kf hm, what are those . ; : at end of fields are called? 09:20 kf promised authority data for end of year / perhaps beginning next year, but those "German changes" to MARC21 give me some headache - authority id-numbers, hierarchical titles, missing descriptors... 09:18 kf will this be part of 3.2 then? 09:15 slef biab 09:13 slef probably still missed something 09:12 slef I've been working on this too much this week :) 09:12 slef TR, SN, ... sure I'm still missing some 09:12 slef USE, RT, ... 09:12 slef while unimarc does a full range of NT, BT, UF and so on 09:12 kf still hoping that it will work out of the box ;) 09:11 slef I think marc21 only does See/See Also 09:11 kf changing source code is something we try to avoid right now 09:11 kf nice to hear that 09:11 slef this is a problem for me to fix soon 09:11 slef and AuthoritiesMarc seems to have hardcoded HTML in it 09:11 chris nose_tweak++ 09:10 kf hm 09:10 slef marc21 auth display is much weaker than UNIMARC 09:10 slef no 09:10 slef actually, AuthoritiesMarc is refactored but not much different 09:09 kf ok, trying to follow you slef: marc21 auth import broken? 09:08 slef kf: doing a bsc and phd at uea, tlas are aok 09:08 slef I only ever watch TV in German now 09:08 kf slev: tyvm? I think thats a new one for my vocabulary list 09:08 slef I suspect one would say "I have tiredness" usually but I can't remember 09:07 kf you guys are good! 09:07 slef kf: my unicode is broken too 09:07 kf nicht schlecht, ein bisschen müde 09:07 slef at least I think it is 09:06 kf müde 09:06 slef yep, HEAD auth control is a rewrite 09:06 slef chris: nicht schlect, ein bisschen ... dang, can't remembered tired 09:05 kf http://new.koha.org/documentation/faq/what-marc-formats-are-supported-in-koha-for-authority-control/?searchterm=auth* 09:05 slef tyvm 09:04 kf mom 09:04 slef kf: FAQ URL? 09:04 slef chris: mluvite anglicky 09:04 kf found out that $0 is not supported yet, there is a faq from nicole about using $9 instead 09:04 chris kf: ahua pai, kei te ngenge au :) 09:04 kf HEAD 09:03 slef 3.0? 09:03 kf yes 09:03 slef kf: oooh! ooooh! oooooh! MARC21? 09:03 kf chris: wie gehts dir? 09:03 kf test loading authority data today :) 09:01 chris :) 09:01 slef but who cares? :) 09:01 slef ah no wait - opened and read a few Monday 08:45 chris ahh probably only one annoying one then :) 08:43 slef not opened since the weekend 08:42 chris its pretty quiet today 08:39 slef about to open my koha list mailbox. Wish me luck! 08:26 slef (which means it's on the other coast, but hey ho) 08:26 slef and bizarrely it's from an organisation I had contact with during my doctorate 08:25 chris that is good 08:25 slef anyway, our new website is already gathering more enquiries, which is good 08:24 slef woke up this morning feeling slime (to the tune of "something tells me I'm into something good") 08:24 chris ? 08:23 slef blurgh 06:52 chris for a bit before bath time 06:52 chris am now 06:02 mason chris: about? 03:41 Jo hi brendan 03:38 brendan hi jo 03:38 brendan heya amit 03:35 Amit hi jo 03:27 Jo Morning AMit 03:20 Amit hi chris, brendan, mason good morning 01:43 mason now - im not yet too sure *what* the sysprefs are, to be checked 01:42 chris sounds like a bug that needs to be fixed 01:42 mason this commit doesnt check for those sysprefs, and stops check-outs 01:41 mason there are sysprefs that override and allow issuing - even with outstanding overdues... 01:40 mason http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=0060634c36f0775ce7784724e3c8f87e5372b564 01:40 mason this commit here.... 01:40 mason so if anyone is listening re: my previous circ bug.. 01:21 mason http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=C4/Circulation.pm;h=2d852bdefadec6f4f00239598e01491c6bad1103;hb=3.0.x#l704 01:21 mason looks like that commit has introduced a bug in circ.. 01:16 mason wow, that is one sweet trick , chris++ 01:16 mason . 01:16 mason 0060634c (Nahuel ANGELINETTI 2009-01-28 10:37:02 +0100 704) my ($blocktype, $count) = C4::Members::IsMemberBlocked($borrower->{'borrowernumber'}); 01:14 mason oooh, me goggles... 01:14 chris git blame 01:13 mason which doesnt seem to exist in lastest stable or head, did i add this code locally myself ?!? 01:13 mason . 01:12 mason my ($blocktype, $count) = C4::Members::IsMemberBlocked($borrower->{'borrowernumber'}); if($blocktype == -1){ 01:12 mason ive picked up a bloclk that calls .. 01:12 mason somehow in my Circ::sub CanBookBeIssued { ) sub.. 01:10 mason sorry, was debugging.. 01:05 mason heya , good thanks 01:03 brendan how you doing mason? 01:02 pianohacker bye 01:02 brendan goodnight 01:02 brendan cool 01:02 pianohacker I'd better log off for the evening. Good night, all 01:02 pianohacker Ah 01:02 mason a 'localized' mod broke this :/ 01:01 brendan at least (I think I remember that being a question one time) 01:01 mason oops, my bad! 01:01 pianohacker heylo 01:01 brendan pianohacker 01:01 brendan heya mason 01:01 brendan once you get to the checkout screen -- I think there should be something you can click on (a little hyperlink) that should unbar (un-debar) them 01:01 pianohacker Is there no barcode entry box at all, or does it pop up an error when you scan an item? 01:00 pianohacker Hey mason :) 01:00 mason heya jesse ;) 01:00 mason nope 00:59 pianohacker ? 00:59 pianohacker Does this patron have fines 00:59 mason in koha3-stable - how can i allow check-outs to a patron, if they current have overdue items? 00:58 mason i have a pretty basic and stupid circ question.. 00:10 chris ahh ;) 00:09 chris ?? 00:08 ryan lol... "Blorg! AIYA!!!" 22:02 pianohacker Nope :) 22:00 chris cant stay away pianohacker ? 21:40 chris hey jo 21:40 Jo morning 21:39 ebegin it is always a question of the quality of the automatique translation... 21:35 ort9217 indeeeeed... 21:26 chris http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/new-in-labs-automatic-message.html 21:26 chris ohhh handy 21:13 pianohacker bye 20:34 pianohacker no problem 20:34 ccurry pianohacker: Thanks! 20:33 ccurry ebegin: that worked! Thanks! 20:33 pianohacker Either way looks safe, from a quick scan of the source 20:30 ebegin ccurry, try <categorycode is="">S</categorycode> 20:30 pianohacker I think it can refer to a nonexistent field 20:29 pianohacker As I understand it, you need to add an "is" attribute to the categorycode tag in your mapping 20:28 ccurry ok...one more question. I've exhausted my troubleshooting abilities. I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.ca/1427806. It's referring to my default value in ldapserver/mapping/categorycode. All of the users in our LDAP directory are staff and there is no field in Active Directory that I can map here, so I've used the value "S" from the borrowers table. Any thoughts? 20:21 schuster Talk to ya tomorrow! 20:20 schuster Step one in the process... Tomorrow I'm going to work on getting a committee together. 20:18 chris schuster: wiki pages look great ! 20:16 chris he sure is, he is a debian developer too, so very helpful to know 20:16 ebegin I hope he is a nice guy 20:15 ebegin hehe... beer oclock.. I like that 20:14 chris so i dont see him much during the week, but i talk to him every friday at beer oclock :) 20:14 chris he works mostly on moodle and mahara 20:13 chris he sure does :) 20:13 ebegin Based on his name, he is probably speak french too 20:12 ebegin nice! 20:12 chris (lives in nz now) 20:12 chris francois marier 20:12 ebegin really? who? 20:11 chris i work with someone from around that area too 20:10 ebegin yes 20:10 chris you are in montreal eh ebegin ? 20:10 ebegin hehe... well.. there is a lot of thing between my house and north pole, so you win ;) 20:10 schuster 80 degrees F here... I like my Texas weather thanks... 20:09 chris to be truthful 20:09 chris well theres a lot of ocean ;) 20:09 owen Wow, that's quite a way to think about it! 20:09 chris so the wind can be pretty cold 20:09 chris an=and 20:08 chris and there is nothing between my house an antartica 20:08 chris though today we have a southerly 20:08 ebegin :) 20:08 chris probably 20:07 ebegin chris, I bet that it's colder overhere... 20:07 chris brrrrr its cold 20:02 CGI234 sf 19:53 SelfishMan Somehow this channel was buried in my irssi channel list 19:53 schuster I'll also post it to the koha-devel list later today. For some reason I can't get into that email account at the minute. 19:53 SelfishMan oh hai 19:53 schuster I've modified this page and added a link for enhancements with directions thoughts? http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=bugreportingfornewbies 19:30 ccurry Thanks! 19:29 ebegin Goodluck ccurry! 19:21 ccurry :(|) 19:21 ccurry Got a different error; looks like you are correct. Thanks for the help. I'll see if I can' figure it out from here. 19:19 ccurry Ah. I'll try that... 19:19 gmcharlt ccurry: I think <ldapserver> needs to be inside <config> 19:15 ccurry Turns out my <base> tag wasn't quite right, but I fixed it and I get the same error, starting on the same line of Carp.pm. 19:11 ccurry I did add <useldapserver>1</useldapserver> to the <config> tag. 19:11 ccurry and yes. 19:11 ccurry <base> tag is right as far as I can tell, but I'll check the AD export to be sure i got the syntax right. 19:10 ebegin just to be sure, do you have the <useldapserver>1</useldapserver> 19:09 ebegin forget that.. it's ok 19:08 ebegin You have 2 DC 19:08 ebegin ccurry, can you double check the info in the <base> tag? 19:03 ccurry The ALL-CAPS data, of course, has real data in my config. 19:01 ccurry Can someone have a look at my ldap config and verify I've used the right syntax. It looks right to me, but something is obviously not right. Any thoughts: http://pastebin.ca/1427730 19:01 ccurry Well-formed xml got me to the next error: http://pastebin.ca/1427732 18:45 ccurry gmcharlt: That was it...now I feel foolish. I forgot to close a tag...thanks for pointing me in the right direction. 18:42 ccurry @gmcharlt Thanks; should have checked that first, I suppose. 18:41 pianohacker np, not that big a deal :) 18:41 gmcharlt ccurry: if you have xmllint, try running koha-conf.xml through it 18:41 gmcharlt ccurry: my guess is that koha-conf.xml is no longer well-formed 18:40 ccurry http://pastebin.ca/1427715 18:38 ccurry ok...sorry about that. 18:38 pianohacker ccurry: If you have long errors to show, please put them on http://pastebin.ca/ 18:38 ccurry " 18:38 ccurry BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha3/intranet/cgi-bin/members/member.pl line 26. 18:38 ccurry Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha3/intranet/cgi-bin/members/member.pl line 26. 18:38 ccurry BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha3/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 29. 18:38 ccurry at /usr/share/perl5/XML/Simple.pm line 287 18:38 ccurry at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/LibXML/SAX.pm line 64 18:37 ccurry Extra content at the end of the document 18:37 ccurry The following fatal error has occurred: 18:37 ccurry " 18:37 ccurry Has anyone integrated Koha 3 with Windows Active Directory LDAP? I've been trying to do so, following the documentation at http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:ldap, but I'm getting the following error after saving /etc/koha3/koha-conf.xml: 18:37 wizzyrea if it's http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=8f9618833e1f5f6a480fd88ef507303316702966 18:37 wizzyrea the commit you're thinking of is for opac only I think 18:27 wizzyrea i'm guessing it's pending it's not in our catalog (though we're behind) 18:26 gmcharlt wizzyrea: should be there now, or else there's a pending patch - I forget which 18:25 wizzyrea in the results and on the detail 18:25 wizzyrea they want to show 245p, n, and b 18:25 wizzyrea does anybody know about the staff XSLT and the 245 field? specifically whether the p and n fields will be shown? i'm on terribly slow internet 18:20 joetho missed you guys at lunch. It was a very talky one! 18:11 pianohacker gmcharlt: Thanks 17:57 pianohacker Hmm, none of those databases would be able to place holds. That's rather frightening 17:55 gmcharlt mostly the fact that nothing's enforcing it; one slip during migration, and the sequences get out of sync forever 17:54 pianohacker Easy enough to work around. Just out of curiosity, what's causing it? 17:51 gmcharlt there are a lot of databases in the wild where that assumption doesn't hold true 17:51 pianohacker Ah, problems? 17:51 gmcharlt pianohacker: sorry, please don't 17:46 pianohacker I'm going to make that assumption; GetReserveFee is difficult enough already 17:46 pianohacker Ah, that's right 17:43 atz pianohacker: yeah, it *should* be the same, but it isn't guaranteed currenly 17:25 pianohacker I think that was marked as not safe, right? 17:23 pianohacker Hmm, reserve/placerequest.pl seems to be assuming that bib# = bibitem# 17:14 wizzyrea lulz 17:10 pianohacker Slightly abtruse terminology in Bugzilla? Never! 17:08 atz if you "devote" a vote, you vote it. 17:07 atz funny b/c "devote" is the opposite of the negation that the term wants 17:06 atz "unvote" 17:06 gmcharlt atz: answer is ou can grab them back, sure - not sure if they automatically come back 17:03 atz (sorry if i missed the answer during that disconnection) 17:03 atz slef: good question 16:57 pianohacker brb 16:57 pianohacker All this talk of lunch reminds me that I should probably eat a late breakfast 16:54 gmcharlt slef: you can grab them back, sure - not sure if they automatically come back 16:53 wizzyrea slef++ 16:53 slef (would be a good way to encourage closure) 16:53 wizzyrea Yes, you do 16:53 owen slef: good question! 16:53 wizzyrea they had really no idea about all of the ins and outs of bugzilla, git, irc, etc. Consider them somewhat more educated :D 16:53 slef gmcharlt: do you get CLOSED bug votes back? 16:53 pianohacker I think if we showed up in person, we _could_ have lunch 16:53 wizzyrea lol owen 16:52 owen Aw man, we don't get to come to lunch too? 16:52 lizzy thanks peps 16:52 lizzy ttyl, LUNCH! Woo! 16:46 lizzy thanks :) 16:45 lizzy oh, sweet 16:45 gmcharlt lizzy: for all time; you can reallocate your votes at any time 16:44 lizzy gmcharlt: are the votes on bugzilla 200 forever or 200 resetting after a certain time? 16:42 lizzy :D 16:42 lizzy yea, anybody can have keggers 16:41 owen Oh dang the K isn't for Kansas. :( 16:41 owen If Ohio had enough Koha users we could have OEGer meetings. 16:40 pianohacker Ah, this might be useful then: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=irc_regulars 16:40 rhcl KEG KEG KEG! Go! Go! Go! 16:39 joetho we are introducing a roomful of koha users to IRC 16:39 joetho I have been losing character for a long time. 16:39 pianohacker joetho: Some holds stuff 16:39 lizzy slef: intentional I think 16:38 slef joetho: your keyboard appears to be losing characters 16:37 lizzy for circulation reports 16:37 lizzy I can't remember, is the date range inclusive or exclusive? 16:37 joetho What are you working on, pnohakr? 16:35 gmcharlt hello 16:35 owen Hi KEGgers! 16:35 pianohacker 'allo! 16:35 lizzy this is liz from NEKLS, say hi to the KEGGER participants :D 16:35 lizzy hi folks 16:35 joetho Hello LIZ 16:32 joetho Hi liz 16:10 Sharon_ Liz is explaining bugzilla 15:59 atz hrmmm... no webpages loading for me.... i think the ISP's DNS are down.... 15:45 Sharon http://lybrarian.wordpress.com/ < I'm trying to blog the kegger 15:29 wizzyrea erg lol 15:29 wizzyrea /w atz would you check the SIP server for NEKLS plz, I'm getting reports of Send/Expect fails :( 15:25 schuster Cool - you are ahead of me on template updates I think right now... 15:25 schuster I'm just learning layout stuff... 15:24 wizzyrea happy to help tho :) 15:24 wizzyrea but not sure 15:24 wizzyrea oki, I think that's a template update that was included in a patch we got lately 15:24 schuster I'll drop you an email... 15:24 schuster wizzyrea - I need to pick your brain on how you modified the advanced search in the catalog and moved the library/sort up by the search options. 15:23 pianohacker Oi, okay 15:23 schuster Right now... ;( 15:22 pianohacker Ah, a KEGger? When? 15:21 wizzyrea I'll tag #509kegger 15:20 rhcl But if you had been planning to do it anyway, I might have monitored. I have stuff to do off this computer since I'm going on vacation tomorrow. 15:19 rhcl I not much of a tweeter to be honest... 15:19 wizzyrea not usually... rhcl I can certainly try to tweet the meeting 15:17 rhcl :) 15:17 rhcl Are you going to tweet the meeting? 15:17 Sharon Sorry, I meant physically here at our KEGger meeting. Lots of Kansas libraries using Koha. 15:16 hdl_laptop Sharon: all the ppl are not talking. 15:16 ebegin wizzyrea, are you the one who records the videos? 15:15 Sharon Wow, there are like 15 folks here... 15:13 wizzyrea ish 15:13 wizzyrea bi-monthly 15:12 schuster wiz what do you mean by regular.. 15:12 rhcl well, uh, however correctly I can put this...we'd like to attend. 15:11 wizzyrea we have them (er, have been having them) fairly regularly, rhcl 15:11 wizzyrea absolutely 15:11 gmcharlt and what a fine wiki it is ;) 15:11 rhcl wiz: are your keggers open for others to attend? 15:10 wizzyrea but I'll get with you later about that (and yes, I've read the wiki lol) 15:10 gmcharlt wizzyrea: sure 15:10 wizzyrea gmcharlt: I'll need a little help with what I'm doing with Git, it's not something I use everyday (yet) 15:08 wizzyrea sorry about that >.< 15:07 wizzyrea er, the organizers did 15:07 wizzyrea yea, we meant to post this one but we had an agenda production fail 15:07 wizzyrea Wiske. *giggle* 15:07 wizzyrea i'm still giggling about the wisconsin ppls 15:06 schuster Do you have them on a Schedule? in case someone might want to sometime attend? 15:06 wizzyrea later today 15:06 wizzyrea yea, at www.nexpresslibrary.org 15:06 schuster Do you post the notes from your Keggers meetings? 15:06 wizzyrea even the best human sometimes isn't as good as the computer ^.^ 15:05 wizzyrea probably good to do periodically anyway 15:05 wizzyrea hehe no, not surprised at all 15:05 gmcharlt but then, I don't expect you're surprised to hear me say that ;) 15:05 gmcharlt and +1 to template reset and version control 15:05 wizzyrea and setting up version control at the same time possibly 15:05 gmcharlt wizzyrea: yeah, I sent one to mickey 15:05 wizzyrea i'm pondering a template "reset" and re-evaluating all of the changes we've made 15:03 wizzyrea of the updates 15:03 wizzyrea oki, is there a list (or where will it stop on the Git list) 15:03 gmcharlt please make sure that you're set up for those as well 15:02 gmcharlt also, since installing it in production does mean that you'll be getting the accumulated bug fixes 15:02 wizzyrea :) 15:02 wizzyrea we'll send you email to confirm putting it on the production server then 15:02 wizzyrea okies 15:02 gmcharlt will need to be done in production in order to update the patrons 15:01 gmcharlt wizzyrea: hmm, not necessarily 15:01 wizzyrea gmcharlt: re: messaging enhancement, you want us to set up the defaults in Test right? 14:59 ebegin hi wizzyrea! 14:59 ebegin I think that I'll let Koha compute it though, using the default category enrollment period. 14:56 wizzyrea (koha explorers group) 14:56 wizzyrea :) 14:56 wizzyrea we're having a kegger today 14:56 wizzyrea mornin peps 14:55 hdl_laptop you can take a date from ldap or let Koha calculate. (Would need a patch to allow that though) 14:54 hdl_laptop ebegin: it all depends on your mapping ;) 14:49 ebegin ok. thanks. On another, but related topic, which dateexpiry do you set to the borrowers? 14:47 atz ebegin: koha userid must be unique, but the mapping to your schema could target any unique attribute 14:39 ebegin Anyone is using a LDAP server (or had setup one)? 14:23 ebegin http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:ldap 14:23 ebegin atz, in the Koha 2.0 LDAP Configuration, there is a note by the userid field mentionning # UNIQUE in next release. I think that it is now the case, right? 13:17 hdl_laptop bbs 12:47 Hui_Nan_ CY, all! 12:46 hdl_laptop hi david 12:45 ebegin hi david 12:45 Hui_Nan_ good evening schuster %-) 12:45 schuster Morning all! 12:40 slef except that it is the RMs reviewing at the mo because there is no QAM 12:39 slef yes 12:39 Hui_Nan_ so, patches sent to the patches@koha.org are reviewed by QAM and if accepted - they published to koha-patches or what? 12:35 Hui_Nan_ ok 12:35 ebegin Hui_Nan_, the email to send patch to is patches@koha.org. koha-patches is a mailing list on which the applied patches are sent 12:33 Hui_Nan_ gmcharlt: ? 12:30 Hui_Nan_ am I wrong? 12:29 Hui_Nan_ I sent them to koha-patches@lists.koha.org 12:29 Hui_Nan_ thank you for asking 12:23 gmcharlt Hui_Nan_: will you be sending your patches to patches@koha.org? 12:10 hdl_laptop it was already broken in 2.2 12:09 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: so opac-dictionary.pl and dictionary.pl can be removed? 12:04 hdl_laptop works too 12:04 hdl_laptop git format-patch -3