Time  Nick        Message
18:10 CGI078      hello
19:41 pianohacker gmcharlt: around? not crucially important, know it's a sunday
20:14 chris       morning
20:14 pianohacker Good morning, chris
20:15 chris       hows the weekend goin?
20:15 pianohacker Pretty good
20:15 pianohacker How was yours?
20:16 chris       nice and quiet, which is good
20:16 pianohacker Heh
20:16 pianohacker How's kahu doing?
20:16 chris       good, he was eating breakfast when i left
20:18 pianohacker How's laurel? I know that things are starting to get a bit more tense with the baby
20:19 chris       good, tired but good, we have the house all ready and she has finished work, so more organised than last time :)
20:20 pianohacker Hehe, organized
20:20 pianohacker I imagine it will be easier this time
20:20 chris       yeah we have some idea whats going on this time :)
20:48 richard     hi
21:15 chris       hi richard
21:15 richard     hi chris
23:59 chris       man i wish we could just see what is going on with the foundation, otherwise we are just gonna be talking about it on the lists forevere
00:02 Jo          Morning all
00:02 chris       hey jo
00:02 Jo          Yep : I agree. Wonder whose driving it at Liblime and whether they could update the community.
00:03 Jo          Might need the Kaitiaki to take this bull by the horns and wrestle into position!
00:14 chris       just a page on the wiki
00:14 chris       or even an email to the list saying whats happened, what they plan to do etc
00:14 chris       problem solved
02:22 chris       jo: your blog post
02:23 chris       especially the managing people
02:23 chris       could well be applied to the current situation
02:23 chris       specifically
02:23 chris       Talk. People will hop over ripples if they know they are coming and are prepared, its the  unexpectness that knocks frogs of lily pads not the ripples themselves.
02:25 Jo          yep - I agree. I also like the concept of people 'surfing' - its the skill that you exhibit in negotiating problems and mistakes
02:26 chris       *nod*
02:47 Jo          Hi rach
03:38 Amit        hi chris, brendan, mason good morning
03:39 ebegin      exit
03:40 ebegin      oups... wrong window :)
03:51 mason       and a 'good morning'  to you, amit
03:51 Amit        mason: how is your weekend
03:52 mason       great thanx
03:52 mason       i really liked your pazpar2 demo too
03:52 Amit        thanx
03:53 mason       did it take a long time to set up?
03:53 Amit        it take around one week
03:53 mason       and did you set it up, or someone else at OSS?
03:54 Amit        it set up on opensuse 11.0
03:54 mason       ah, 1 week  - good work :)
03:54 mason       you set it up on opensuse?
03:54 Amit        but development head Mr. Satya set up this pazpar2 demo
03:55 Amit        sory
03:55 mason       ah, ok..
03:55 Amit        our  development head Mr. Satya set up this pazpar2 demo
03:55 mason       yep :)
03:55 mason       i think OSS is the first pazpar2 demo i have seen ever!
03:56 Amit        hmmm
03:56 Amit        but i think liblime already set pazpar2 demo
03:56 Amit        not sure
03:57 ebegin      Amit, do you have the URL?
03:57 ebegin      I'd like to see it too :
03:57 mason       hiya eric ;)
03:57 Amit        yes
03:57 Amit        wait i will give u
03:57 ebegin      Hi guys
03:57 Amit        hi ebegin
03:58 Amit        ebegin: http://pazpardemo.osslabs.biz/pazpar2/jsdemo/
04:00 Jo          hi guys..
04:00 Jo          hey can someone tell me what pazpar2 is
04:00 Amit        hi Jo
04:01 Jo          i do like the demo Amit
04:01 Amit        hmm
04:01 chris       in a nutshell jo, its federated searching
04:01 ebegin      Hey Jo!  Pazpar2 is a tools allowing to do federated searches
04:01 Jo          it s so cool...
04:01 Jo          just playing with it now
04:01 chris       so what hlt want
04:01 Amit        hi chris
04:01 chris       is pazpar2 searching koha and kete
04:01 Jo          yes!
04:01 Jo          yes we do...
04:01 chris       and it can merge the results
04:02 Jo          and the cemetery records at council too
04:02 chris       *nod*
04:02 ebegin      I did set it up for a client few months ago.  But this client is not running Koha though... well, not yet ;)
04:02 Jo          (reminds me i must email richard ..)
04:03 Amit        hi richards
04:03 Jo          its fast
04:04 Jo          must carry on on or i'll get yelled at by chris for dragging the chain
04:04 chris       :-)
04:05 ebegin      Anybody though abour having pazpar2 integrated in Koha interface?
04:05 ebegin      s/abour/about/
04:06 chris       it is already :)
04:06 chris       well it uses it to do its frbr stuff
04:07 ebegin      ok.. I'll have to try it though.  Do we have to do something else than saying YES when the installer ask for pazpar2?
04:08 chris       you have to switch the frbr stuff on in system preferences
04:08 Jo          i did that
04:08 chris       and choose your sources
04:08 Jo          (oops - sorry)
04:08 chris       then it will use pazpar2 to search those sources (using isbn) and try to group together related records
04:09 ebegin      Anybody would be interested to use a local repository for book covers instead of having to use Google, Amazon and al.?
04:10 chris       im sure they would
04:10 chris       its all about the legalities
04:10 chris       publishers are mental
04:11 ebegin      of course :)
04:11 ebegin      here a sample: http://af.inlibro.net/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=canta
04:11 chris       "stop making it easier for people to find the books we publish"
04:12 chris       cool, just keyed off the biblionumber eh?
04:12 ebegin      Yep
04:13 chris       i think that would be useful for a lot of reasons
04:13 chris       1/ there are still a signficant amount of things not in amazon especially nz published content
04:14 chris       2/ serving images locally on the opacs in the library rather than fetching from the US would make the opac a ton faster
04:15 Jo          goodbye all.
04:15 ebegin      Right now, the detail image link is a bigger image, however, it could point to another type of file.  For example, I have a client that take picture of a kit for some school classes (eg chemistry, physics kits, ...).  The link would be the kit's description in an URL file
04:16 ebegin      Can you beleive that clients have to pay to a third party if they want to have a publisher images...
04:17 chris       i can totally believe that
04:17 ebegin      My plan is to meet with the major publisher here and offer them a place to store their covers.
04:17 ebegin      Actually, they should pay for that.
04:18 chris       :)
04:18 chris       logic and common sense doesnt often seem to have a place in the business world :)
04:18 ebegin      If they pay, I'll make the cover available to anybody... free of charge!
04:21 ebegin      Oh, and the image could link at a place like amazon and if someone click on it and buy the book, I could get some money ;-D
04:21 chris       heh
04:22 ebegin      Do the school libraries in NZ can make money out of their Amazon links?
04:23 chris       in theory they would if people clicked on the links and then bought the book
04:23 chris       im not sure if it is happening in practice
04:23 ebegin      In Canada, they can't, it's prohibited. Which make the Amazon Content useless for them
04:24 chris       ohh right
04:24 ebegin      unless I set up everything under inLibro account ;)
04:26 ebegin      Do we still use Image::Magick somewhere in Koha?
04:26 chris       I think for patron images yes
04:26 chris       but im not sure
04:26 ebegin      cd ..
04:30 ebegin      nope, not anymore I guess... grep didn't find any Image::Magick
04:31 ebegin      goodnight everyone!  Sunday, 30 past midnight... time to go to bed ;)
04:32 chris       sleep well
05:53 chris       hi nicomo
05:54 nicomo      hi chris
05:54 nicomo      had a nice week-end?
05:55 chris       yep nice and quiet
05:55 chris       you ?
06:04 nicomo      nice weather : spring is truly there now
06:05 nicomo      bycicle ride with my 5 year old daughter, etc.
06:05 nicomo      nice and quiet
06:05 chris       sounds like fun
07:26 hdl_laptop  hi kf
07:26 hdl_laptop  chris around ?
07:27 kf          hdl, good morning :)
07:28 chris       am now hdl_laptop
07:28 chris       whats up?
07:28 hdl_laptop  was wondering if translations had been updated on Pootle.
07:29 hdl_laptop  I can check on my own.
07:29 chris       ahh i push them up whenever they get updated
07:29 chris       http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=shortlog;h=3.0.x
07:30 chris       do you think we are finished with any string changes?
07:30 chris       if so i will regen and remerge all the .po files
07:30 hdl_laptop  yes. I think so
07:30 chris       ok ill regen them all
07:31 hdl_laptop  it should have only very little string change
07:32 hdl_laptop  mmm... maybe should we release with completed translation. And leave it up to ppl to dl from Koha Pootle and install incomplet translations.
07:34 hdl_laptop  nicomo sent me the complete translation last Thursdat
07:34 hdl_laptop  nicomo sent me the complete translation last Thursday for french
07:36 chris       lets give people a bit more time to translate
07:36 chris       because its quite hard for people to download and install
07:37 chris       ill regen the .po files and send the translate list an email and say they have x many days to translate
07:37 kf          perhaps not only complete but more than x %?
07:37 chris       how many days do we want to give them?
07:37 chris       yeah more than 50% is a good rule
07:38 hdl_laptop  some translations are 0% :(
07:38 hdl_laptop  I would say rather more than 66%
07:39 hdl_laptop  50% looks very weak imho.
07:40 kf          compromise on 60 %? ;)
07:40 chris       i think that 50% still might make it useful
07:40 chris       and might make people want to finish it :)
07:42 chris       but 66% im fine with too
07:42 chris       i think whatever the rule is, we need to send an email and say you have x days to translate your language
07:42 chris       if its not over 66% it wont be in the 3.0.2 release
07:44 hdl_laptop  let's stick to 66% and let's give 10 days for translations.
07:47 chris       sounds good
07:48 chris       10 days from today? which would be the 28th of may?
08:05 chris       ok story read, and goodnight song sung, and kahu asleep
08:05 chris       time to merge po files
08:15 hdl_laptop  chris: does 28th May sounds ok ?
08:16 chris       yep sounds good to me
08:16 chris       strings for opac actually went down :)
08:16 chris       from 3853 to 3839
08:20 chris       kf: http://translate.koha.org/de/opac3_0/
08:20 chris       nothing for you to do for the opac
08:22 kf          ooh
08:22 kf          I like translating, its more fun than other things on my todo list
08:23 chris       havent done the intranet yet ... might be some for you there
08:23 kf          ok :)
09:00 chris       http://translate.koha.org/de/intranet3_0/ there ya go
09:24 kf          thx chris
09:24 chris       hi paul_p
09:24 paul_p      hi chris.
09:24 paul_p      in London today for "Breaking the barrier conference"
09:24 paul_p      http://www.openlibraries.eu/
09:25 kf          [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/pootle/intranet3_0/de/de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po'
09:26 kf          chris: getting an error message, when submitting directly
09:26 kf          suggest seems to work
09:29 chris       cool paul_p
09:29 chris       hmm lemme check that out
09:29 chris       kf: can you try now please?
09:30 kf          its ok now
09:31 kf          did you do something or was it my logout/login?
09:33 chris       no it was something i did
09:34 kf          thx chris
09:36 Amit        hi kf
09:39 kf          hi amit
09:47 kf          chris: cant reach translate.koha.org
09:48 kf          too many translators at work?
09:50 chris       yeah after i sent that email everyone logged in, try now
09:51 kf          its great now and fast
09:52 kf          and I'm done :)
09:54 chris       :)
09:54 paul_p      fire alarm gone. We had to leave the conference room. Fortunatly, false alarm
09:59 Hui_Nan_    hi all
10:00 hdl_laptop  hi
10:00 Hui_Nan_    I git-cloned koha's repo, checked out origin/master branch as local myinstall
10:00 Hui_Nan_    I can't see any localized templates there
10:01 hdl_laptop  it is perfectly expected.
10:01 hdl_laptop  you have to install them
10:01 Hui_Nan_    url plz
10:01 chris       the versions in 3.0.x are much more up to date
10:01 chris       (the .po files that is)
10:01 hdl_laptop  via misc/translator/
10:02 Hui_Nan_    ups, I'm in a development branch!
10:02 Hui_Nan_    %-)
10:02 hdl_laptop  and use ./install.pl
10:02 Hui_Nan_    ok
10:03 hdl_laptop  it will install every language.
10:05 chris       but be warned, the .po files in master are out of date, we havent started translating there, and wont until we get closer to 3.2.0 release .. but you can use the files from the 3.0.x branch
10:05 chris       they are more up to date
10:17 Hui_Nan_    I'm a bit worried about switching between development and maintenance versions
10:18 Hui_Nan_    it seems that I have to take care on db backups
10:19 Hui_Nan_    backup current db, restore from the backup corresponding to the correct branch, switch to that branch
10:20 Hui_Nan_    is testing db compatible with maintenance?
10:28 hdl_laptop  From my point of view, it is.
10:28 Hui_Nan_    ok, I don't need to care of db, just checkout the codebase and everything gonna be ok
10:29 Hui_Nan_    nice
10:29 hdl_laptop  I have not added table updates which were in dev version.
10:29 hdl_laptop  Hui_Nan_: just make a copy of your database, just in case.
10:30 Hui_Nan_    ok
10:51 chris       also if you want you can just clone another copy of the repo
10:52 chris       and checkout the 3.0.x branch, or the maintenance branch in there and leave your dev version alone
10:52 Hui_Nan_    still no choice but English on the step 1 of Web installation
10:53 Hui_Nan_    misc/translator/install.pl required?
10:55 chris       yes after you install you can run that then change your language choices in the systempreferences
11:12 Hui_Nan_    looks like an infinite loop