Time Nick Message 18:10 CGI078 hello 19:41 pianohacker gmcharlt: around? not crucially important, know it's a sunday 20:14 chris morning 20:14 pianohacker Good morning, chris 20:15 chris hows the weekend goin? 20:15 pianohacker Pretty good 20:15 pianohacker How was yours? 20:16 chris nice and quiet, which is good 20:16 pianohacker Heh 20:16 pianohacker How's kahu doing? 20:16 chris good, he was eating breakfast when i left 20:18 pianohacker How's laurel? I know that things are starting to get a bit more tense with the baby 20:19 chris good, tired but good, we have the house all ready and she has finished work, so more organised than last time :) 20:20 pianohacker Hehe, organized 20:20 pianohacker I imagine it will be easier this time 20:20 chris yeah we have some idea whats going on this time :) 20:48 richard hi 21:15 chris hi richard 21:15 richard hi chris 23:59 chris man i wish we could just see what is going on with the foundation, otherwise we are just gonna be talking about it on the lists forevere 00:02 Jo Morning all 00:02 chris hey jo 00:02 Jo Yep : I agree. Wonder whose driving it at Liblime and whether they could update the community. 00:03 Jo Might need the Kaitiaki to take this bull by the horns and wrestle into position! 00:14 chris just a page on the wiki 00:14 chris or even an email to the list saying whats happened, what they plan to do etc 00:14 chris problem solved 02:22 chris jo: your blog post 02:23 chris especially the managing people 02:23 chris could well be applied to the current situation 02:23 chris specifically 02:23 chris Talk. People will hop over ripples if they know they are coming and are prepared, its the unexpectness that knocks frogs of lily pads not the ripples themselves. 02:25 Jo yep - I agree. I also like the concept of people 'surfing' - its the skill that you exhibit in negotiating problems and mistakes 02:26 chris *nod* 02:47 Jo Hi rach 03:38 Amit hi chris, brendan, mason good morning 03:39 ebegin exit 03:40 ebegin oups... wrong window :) 03:51 mason and a 'good morning' to you, amit 03:51 Amit mason: how is your weekend 03:52 mason great thanx 03:52 mason i really liked your pazpar2 demo too 03:52 Amit thanx 03:53 mason did it take a long time to set up? 03:53 Amit it take around one week 03:53 mason and did you set it up, or someone else at OSS? 03:54 Amit it set up on opensuse 11.0 03:54 mason ah, 1 week - good work :) 03:54 mason you set it up on opensuse? 03:54 Amit but development head Mr. Satya set up this pazpar2 demo 03:55 Amit sory 03:55 mason ah, ok.. 03:55 Amit our development head Mr. Satya set up this pazpar2 demo 03:55 mason yep :) 03:55 mason i think OSS is the first pazpar2 demo i have seen ever! 03:56 Amit hmmm 03:56 Amit but i think liblime already set pazpar2 demo 03:56 Amit not sure 03:57 ebegin Amit, do you have the URL? 03:57 ebegin I'd like to see it too : 03:57 mason hiya eric ;) 03:57 Amit yes 03:57 Amit wait i will give u 03:57 ebegin Hi guys 03:57 Amit hi ebegin 03:58 Amit ebegin: http://pazpardemo.osslabs.biz/pazpar2/jsdemo/ 04:00 Jo hi guys.. 04:00 Jo hey can someone tell me what pazpar2 is 04:00 Amit hi Jo 04:01 Jo i do like the demo Amit 04:01 Amit hmm 04:01 chris in a nutshell jo, its federated searching 04:01 ebegin Hey Jo! Pazpar2 is a tools allowing to do federated searches 04:01 Jo it s so cool... 04:01 Jo just playing with it now 04:01 chris so what hlt want 04:01 Amit hi chris 04:01 chris is pazpar2 searching koha and kete 04:01 Jo yes! 04:01 Jo yes we do... 04:01 chris and it can merge the results 04:02 Jo and the cemetery records at council too 04:02 chris *nod* 04:02 ebegin I did set it up for a client few months ago. But this client is not running Koha though... well, not yet ;) 04:02 Jo (reminds me i must email richard ..) 04:03 Amit hi richards 04:03 Jo its fast 04:04 Jo must carry on on or i'll get yelled at by chris for dragging the chain 04:04 chris :-) 04:05 ebegin Anybody though abour having pazpar2 integrated in Koha interface? 04:05 ebegin s/abour/about/ 04:06 chris it is already :) 04:06 chris well it uses it to do its frbr stuff 04:07 ebegin ok.. I'll have to try it though. Do we have to do something else than saying YES when the installer ask for pazpar2? 04:08 chris you have to switch the frbr stuff on in system preferences 04:08 Jo i did that 04:08 chris and choose your sources 04:08 Jo (oops - sorry) 04:08 chris then it will use pazpar2 to search those sources (using isbn) and try to group together related records 04:09 ebegin Anybody would be interested to use a local repository for book covers instead of having to use Google, Amazon and al.? 04:10 chris im sure they would 04:10 chris its all about the legalities 04:10 chris publishers are mental 04:11 ebegin of course :) 04:11 ebegin here a sample: http://af.inlibro.net/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=canta 04:11 chris "stop making it easier for people to find the books we publish" 04:12 chris cool, just keyed off the biblionumber eh? 04:12 ebegin Yep 04:13 chris i think that would be useful for a lot of reasons 04:13 chris 1/ there are still a signficant amount of things not in amazon especially nz published content 04:14 chris 2/ serving images locally on the opacs in the library rather than fetching from the US would make the opac a ton faster 04:15 Jo goodbye all. 04:15 ebegin Right now, the detail image link is a bigger image, however, it could point to another type of file. For example, I have a client that take picture of a kit for some school classes (eg chemistry, physics kits, ...). The link would be the kit's description in an URL file 04:16 ebegin Can you beleive that clients have to pay to a third party if they want to have a publisher images... 04:17 chris i can totally believe that 04:17 ebegin My plan is to meet with the major publisher here and offer them a place to store their covers. 04:17 ebegin Actually, they should pay for that. 04:18 chris :) 04:18 chris logic and common sense doesnt often seem to have a place in the business world :) 04:18 ebegin If they pay, I'll make the cover available to anybody... free of charge! 04:21 ebegin Oh, and the image could link at a place like amazon and if someone click on it and buy the book, I could get some money ;-D 04:21 chris heh 04:22 ebegin Do the school libraries in NZ can make money out of their Amazon links? 04:23 chris in theory they would if people clicked on the links and then bought the book 04:23 chris im not sure if it is happening in practice 04:23 ebegin In Canada, they can't, it's prohibited. Which make the Amazon Content useless for them 04:24 chris ohh right 04:24 ebegin unless I set up everything under inLibro account ;) 04:26 ebegin Do we still use Image::Magick somewhere in Koha? 04:26 chris I think for patron images yes 04:26 chris but im not sure 04:26 ebegin cd .. 04:30 ebegin nope, not anymore I guess... grep didn't find any Image::Magick 04:31 ebegin goodnight everyone! Sunday, 30 past midnight... time to go to bed ;) 04:32 chris sleep well 05:53 chris hi nicomo 05:54 nicomo hi chris 05:54 nicomo had a nice week-end? 05:55 chris yep nice and quiet 05:55 chris you ? 06:04 nicomo nice weather : spring is truly there now 06:05 nicomo bycicle ride with my 5 year old daughter, etc. 06:05 nicomo nice and quiet 06:05 chris sounds like fun 07:26 hdl_laptop hi kf 07:26 hdl_laptop chris around ? 07:27 kf hdl, good morning :) 07:28 chris am now hdl_laptop 07:28 chris whats up? 07:28 hdl_laptop was wondering if translations had been updated on Pootle. 07:29 hdl_laptop I can check on my own. 07:29 chris ahh i push them up whenever they get updated 07:29 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=shortlog;h=3.0.x 07:30 chris do you think we are finished with any string changes? 07:30 chris if so i will regen and remerge all the .po files 07:30 hdl_laptop yes. I think so 07:30 chris ok ill regen them all 07:31 hdl_laptop it should have only very little string change 07:32 hdl_laptop mmm... maybe should we release with completed translation. And leave it up to ppl to dl from Koha Pootle and install incomplet translations. 07:34 hdl_laptop nicomo sent me the complete translation last Thursdat 07:34 hdl_laptop nicomo sent me the complete translation last Thursday for french 07:36 chris lets give people a bit more time to translate 07:36 chris because its quite hard for people to download and install 07:37 chris ill regen the .po files and send the translate list an email and say they have x many days to translate 07:37 kf perhaps not only complete but more than x %? 07:37 chris how many days do we want to give them? 07:37 chris yeah more than 50% is a good rule 07:38 hdl_laptop some translations are 0% :( 07:38 hdl_laptop I would say rather more than 66% 07:39 hdl_laptop 50% looks very weak imho. 07:40 kf compromise on 60 %? ;) 07:40 chris i think that 50% still might make it useful 07:40 chris and might make people want to finish it :) 07:42 chris but 66% im fine with too 07:42 chris i think whatever the rule is, we need to send an email and say you have x days to translate your language 07:42 chris if its not over 66% it wont be in the 3.0.2 release 07:44 hdl_laptop let's stick to 66% and let's give 10 days for translations. 07:47 chris sounds good 07:48 chris 10 days from today? which would be the 28th of may? 08:05 chris ok story read, and goodnight song sung, and kahu asleep 08:05 chris time to merge po files 08:15 hdl_laptop chris: does 28th May sounds ok ? 08:16 chris yep sounds good to me 08:16 chris strings for opac actually went down :) 08:16 chris from 3853 to 3839 08:20 chris kf: http://translate.koha.org/de/opac3_0/ 08:20 chris nothing for you to do for the opac 08:22 kf ooh 08:22 kf I like translating, its more fun than other things on my todo list 08:23 chris havent done the intranet yet ... might be some for you there 08:23 kf ok :) 09:00 chris http://translate.koha.org/de/intranet3_0/ there ya go 09:24 kf thx chris 09:24 chris hi paul_p 09:24 paul_p hi chris. 09:24 paul_p in London today for "Breaking the barrier conference" 09:24 paul_p http://www.openlibraries.eu/ 09:25 kf [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/pootle/intranet3_0/de/de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po' 09:26 kf chris: getting an error message, when submitting directly 09:26 kf suggest seems to work 09:29 chris cool paul_p 09:29 chris hmm lemme check that out 09:29 chris kf: can you try now please? 09:30 kf its ok now 09:31 kf did you do something or was it my logout/login? 09:33 chris no it was something i did 09:34 kf thx chris 09:36 Amit hi kf 09:39 kf hi amit 09:47 kf chris: cant reach translate.koha.org 09:48 kf too many translators at work? 09:50 chris yeah after i sent that email everyone logged in, try now 09:51 kf its great now and fast 09:52 kf and I'm done :) 09:54 chris :) 09:54 paul_p fire alarm gone. We had to leave the conference room. Fortunatly, false alarm 09:59 Hui_Nan_ hi all 10:00 hdl_laptop hi 10:00 Hui_Nan_ I git-cloned koha's repo, checked out origin/master branch as local myinstall 10:00 Hui_Nan_ I can't see any localized templates there 10:01 hdl_laptop it is perfectly expected. 10:01 hdl_laptop you have to install them 10:01 Hui_Nan_ url plz 10:01 chris the versions in 3.0.x are much more up to date 10:01 chris (the .po files that is) 10:01 hdl_laptop via misc/translator/ 10:02 Hui_Nan_ ups, I'm in a development branch! 10:02 Hui_Nan_ %-) 10:02 hdl_laptop and use ./install.pl 10:02 Hui_Nan_ ok 10:03 hdl_laptop it will install every language. 10:05 chris but be warned, the .po files in master are out of date, we havent started translating there, and wont until we get closer to 3.2.0 release .. but you can use the files from the 3.0.x branch 10:05 chris they are more up to date 10:17 Hui_Nan_ I'm a bit worried about switching between development and maintenance versions 10:18 Hui_Nan_ it seems that I have to take care on db backups 10:19 Hui_Nan_ backup current db, restore from the backup corresponding to the correct branch, switch to that branch 10:20 Hui_Nan_ is testing db compatible with maintenance? 10:28 hdl_laptop From my point of view, it is. 10:28 Hui_Nan_ ok, I don't need to care of db, just checkout the codebase and everything gonna be ok 10:29 Hui_Nan_ nice 10:29 hdl_laptop I have not added table updates which were in dev version. 10:29 hdl_laptop Hui_Nan_: just make a copy of your database, just in case. 10:30 Hui_Nan_ ok 10:51 chris also if you want you can just clone another copy of the repo 10:52 chris and checkout the 3.0.x branch, or the maintenance branch in there and leave your dev version alone 10:52 Hui_Nan_ still no choice but English on the step 1 of Web installation 10:53 Hui_Nan_ misc/translator/install.pl required? 10:55 chris yes after you install you can run that then change your language choices in the systempreferences 11:12 Hui_Nan_ looks like an infinite loop