Time Nick Message 13:47 schuster wizzyrea you in? 13:48 wizzyrea I am, sup? 13:49 schuster What version of Firefox are you all runnin? 13:50 schuster that's my hick coming out this mornin... 13:51 wizzyrea 3, mostly the latest version but probably some of the minor v3 revisions 13:51 wizzyrea sneak in there 13:52 schuster OK - we're still on 2.x until this summer - when you print LONG lists of things do they print ok? That is our biggest problem and I believe it to be a FF 2 issue. 13:52 schuster We are only getting page 1 when a borrower or an item has say 200 items attached... 13:52 wizzyrea 3.0.10 is latest -- I haven't heard any complaints 13:53 wizzyrea oof! 13:53 schuster Yep major issue right now, but I keep saying it will go away when school starts next year...;) 13:53 wizzyrea hee 13:53 schuster I hope :( 13:53 wizzyrea we're public, people don't *usually* get to 200 items checked out 13:54 wizzyrea nor do we have many bibs with 200 items 13:54 schuster Are the localized holds working well? - we have teachers that checkout tons of stuff. 13:54 schuster Our librarians almost all went into arrest and quit when we told them it is shared holds... 13:54 wizzyrea a qualified yes, there are still bugs but they do work 13:55 schuster So just to clarify when a borrower places a hold on a book it keeps the hold to that borrowers location... 13:55 wizzyrea occasionally you get an item on y our pick list that is local hold, we're not sure why. gmcharlt's working on it though 13:55 schuster Are you all using Biblios at all? 13:55 wizzyrea opposite... when a book is catalogued it is placed in itemtype Local Hold 13:55 wizzyrea and only patrons of that "branch" can put hold on it 13:56 wizzyrea not yet 13:56 wizzyrea soon we hope 13:56 wizzyrea so patron of homelibrary1 can place holds on Local Hold items from homeelibrary1 13:56 wizzyrea but if patron from homelibrary2 tries to place a hold on Local Hold items from homelibrary1, it will fail 13:57 schuster So is local hold a field within the item types or a seperate item type all together? did you have to change item types for an entire library that didn't want to share books? 13:57 wizzyrea yes, I believe you would have to do that 13:57 wizzyrea we're all about sharing :P 13:57 wizzyrea or have independent branches 13:58 wizzyrea we don't have any libraries that don't share, our values dictate that 95% of the collection is open to any patron in NE Kansas 13:58 schuster hmmm... Did LibLime do that for you? - can't do independent branches gets really messy in sharing items and borrowers. I'm all about sharing, but some librarians have this thing about serving their own students first... 13:58 wizzyrea yea, it was an enhancement we sponsored 13:59 wizzyrea it could probably be made better with... MORE MONEY. LOL 13:59 wizzyrea (that is, our libraries can hold back 5% of their collections to walk in or local hold only) 13:59 schuster HMMM so you can be all about sharing, but limit some items to just your location... hmmmm... So those lovely vampire books could be local but the rest of the collection available... 14:00 wizzyrea (not counting local history or irreplaceable items, of course) 14:00 schuster That is a great solution... Hadn't thought about that possibility.. Way cool... 14:00 wizzyrea yea, exactly, the vampire books can be held back 14:00 wizzyrea ;) 14:00 wizzyrea or, you can do what some of our libraries do 14:01 wizzyrea buy multiple copies of a popular title, share 4 of them, and keep one or two for local patrons 14:01 wizzyrea only 14:01 wizzyrea not sure how that would work in a school 14:01 schuster We still have 80 holds on the last vampire book - mainly because people don't want to share... so they "ignore" the hold which causes other problems. 14:02 wizzyrea it's definitely a paradigm shift for the participating libraries 14:02 schuster "Why won't it pull up my hold which is next"... Well because you told it to ignore holds so now Koha thinks it should go on the shelf! 14:02 wizzyrea there are also walk in items 14:03 wizzyrea which means that the person has to physically take the item off of the shelf 14:03 wizzyrea the person has to be in the library to check it out 14:03 wizzyrea so that = no holds allowed 14:03 schuster You are light years ahead of me on the CSS stuff - I hope at the next conference you share your customizations and that "yes even a library in Kansas can customize it!" Not knocking you praising you! 14:04 schuster Ah.. neat - we could use that for some of the classroom stuff they don't want to allow holds on during research periods. 14:05 wizzyrea well thank you... I'm still kind of dumb at it but I'm learning. I'm going through the changes I've made to see how many of them should actually go into the project 14:05 gmcharlt wizzyrea++ 14:05 wizzyrea yes, exactly, that would be a perfect use for the walk in itemtype 14:06 gmcharlt (and then put your custom templates under version control, right? ;-) ) 14:06 schuster Cool! I'm just trying to figure out what we need to sponsor next! That's my task this week to go through requests and figure out how to prioritize them and figure out how many of them are already in the que or that we need to figure out how much it will cost. 14:06 schuster gmcharlt - so when will localholds be available to the rest of the Koha community after the bugs are tweaked? with 3.2 or earlier? 14:07 gmcharlt schuster: before 3.2 - a matter of a couple weeks or thereabouts 14:08 schuster That's something I'm trying to wrap my head around is when the "enhancements" that are sponsored are released... The October 3.2 release is after school starts so I am trying to figure out what I need to focus on for when school starts again in August to show the librarians that Koha IS the way still and not one of the other school CKO systems... 14:08 wizzyrea gmcharlt: yes, I would love to do that 14:08 schuster gmcharlt - way cool! I'll keep looking for it... 14:08 wizzyrea will need some heavy git tutorial however lol 14:09 wizzyrea http://www.nexpresslibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nexpress_vision_and_value_statements2.pdf if you're interested schuster 14:09 wizzyrea OH I did not mean to do that 14:09 wizzyrea >.> 14:10 wizzyrea maybe only my client actually shows the document... 14:10 schuster Anyone able to speak about the URL-Checker that came with 3.01.00.014 14:11 wizzyrea not it 14:12 wizzyrea (aside) I really want there to be a editable syspref for the detail page of the opac, the right hand column should be editable 14:12 wizzyrea user editable( 14:12 wizzyrea don't know why that came up just now 14:13 schuster URLs checker enhancement (bug #2959 ) - is what I'm refering to. 14:16 schuster OK guess not maybe I'll put it on the Dev list to see if there are any takers... I don't see it documented anywhere. But my wife tells me that I miss LOTS of stuff as I often skim! 16:45 wizzyrea whoa lol 16:45 pianohacker Hi, liz 16:46 wizzyrea hey :) 16:48 pianohacker What's going on? 16:48 wizzyrea netsplit or something 17:20 pianohacker brb 19:39 _eric_b chris, is there a way to get an email notification when new strings have to be translated? 20:00 wizzyrea whatever happened to the koha forum idea? I'm looking back through the list, and I've wondered myself why we don't have RSS enabled forums in addition to/sync'd with the email lists 20:03 gmcharlt matter of preference, I suppose 20:03 wizzyrea the last discussion I see of the matter said "use thunderbird, sort threaded" 20:04 wizzyrea which is good enough I suppose. 20:06 gmcharlt the big question is when would you post to a forum as opposed to sending an email 20:06 gmcharlt and I'd be concerned about the discussion getting split up 20:08 wizzyrea yea, I thought the same thing. I think forums are a little easier for nubs to navigate 20:08 wizzyrea but only a little 20:09 wizzyrea would be cool if there was a simultaneous forum <--> email sync 20:10 wizzyrea then it wouldn't matter how you interacted with it 20:11 wizzyrea dk, was just curious 20:49 _eric_b Is there a function providing the htdocs directory to used based on the selected language? 20:51 chris morning 20:52 rhcl afternoon 20:52 chris _eric_b: like when they have been suggested? 20:52 chris not that i know of, but i could probably whack something up to do that 20:53 _eric_b chris, no, I just needed to know. I though about using this to localize the XSLT. 20:53 chris using it to localise the XSLT would be cool, we just need to create .po files from the XSLT 20:54 chris the nice thing with pootle is you can download the .po, translate and upload it back and it will merge with others translations 20:54 chris so you don't have to use the web interface to translate 20:55 chris if you do want to try it out, let me know, and ill make a new xslt project that you can try it with 20:57 chris wizzyrea: you can use markmail 20:59 chris or gmane 20:59 chris http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.koha 21:00 chris it lets you reply from there 21:00 chris http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.koha/14197 21:05 wizzyrea oh that's neat, I didn't realize youcould post there as well 21:05 wizzyrea problem solved :) 21:05 pianohacker Hmm 21:05 chris i kinda like how it fakes being a blog :) 21:05 pianohacker It seems we've all won "The Fat One" lottery 21:06 chris we have? 21:06 chris i know i ate a bit too much in texas, but that's just mean 21:06 richard morning 21:06 chris hiya richard 21:15 rhcl Liz, you getting wet? It's gushing here. 21:15 wizzyrea oh... you mean rain 21:15 rhcl Well, uh, yea. ?? 21:15 wizzyrea um, it's sprinkling 21:15 wizzyrea LOL sorry 21:16 wizzyrea KIDDING only kidding 21:16 rhcl OK, I had to look up gushing. 21:17 rhcl Here's what I ment: gush v. gushed, gush·ing, gush·es v.. To flow forth suddenly in great volume: water gushing from a hydrant. 21:17 wizzyrea lol I'm familiar 21:17 rhcl But, uh, yea, there is another meaning I see. 21:18 wizzyrea and I"ve been misreading lots of things today 21:18 wizzyrea so... sorry 21:18 wizzyrea but yes, sprinkling rain here 21:19 wizzyrea geographically, we're in a spot that storms tend to go around 21:19 rhcl I also meant meant instead of ment. 21:20 wizzyrea of course :) 21:29 brendan Yeah - we all win the big bucks! 21:29 brendan what an open source project! 21:58 wizzyrea later on folks 22:10 chris those ones are hard to stop, when someone is subscribed to the list to send it 22:54 chris hey ccatalfo 22:54 ccatalfo evening! 22:55 chris you still doing much work on biblios? 23:11 ccatalfo chris: I haven't done much work on it since I joined LT but I have some things in mind I plan on starting on one of these evenings 23:11 chris sweet ;) 23:13 ccatalfo also trying to finally take a look at Koha and submit a few little things here and there to learn the codebase a bit better 23:14 chris cool, i saw a couple of patches from you go past 23:23 ccatalfo chris: you're excited to be working on koha again? 23:23 chris yeah its fun, mostly doing data munging at this stage but getting time to do some patches too 03:22 Amit_G Amit_G is Amit 03:28 Amit_G hi brendan, chris, mason 03:30 Jo hi Amit 03:37 brendan hi Amit_G 03:38 Amit_G hi brendan i m Amit 03:38 Amit_G hi Jo morning 04:45 mason afternoon all 04:55 richard bob u about? 04:55 richard oops wrong # 04:56 richard hi mason 05:57 Amit_G hi mason 06:08 chris hi hdl_laptop and laurence 06:08 hdl_laptop hi chris 06:08 laurence hi chris 06:13 nicomo hi all 06:14 chris hi nicomo no meetings today? 06:14 nicomo :-) 06:14 nicomo none whatsoever 06:14 nicomo what a relief 06:15 nicomo meetings and gloomy hotel rooms are the scurges of this job 06:20 Amit_G hi chris: http://www.osslabs.biz/koha_library_management_system/resources.html 07:47 chris evening all 07:47 Amit_G hi kf 07:48 chris cool amit 07:53 hdl_laptop chris: few strings have changed since yesterday, but there has been changes. 07:53 chris hmm opac or intranet or both? 07:56 kf hi koha# - came back to work today - still reading mails and koha mailing lists 07:56 kf hi Amit 08:00 hdl_laptop intranet mostly 08:01 hdl_laptop (history file for instance, but also one string in circulation) 08:04 chris k, ill update all the translation files 08:04 chris but maybe not tonight 08:05 hdl_laptop sorry 08:05 chris its ok :) 09:51 chris :) 09:51 chris we have called the midwife, wait and home and see if the contractions get stronger 09:52 chris laurel is playing tetris and im looking at koha bugs to distract from worrying :) 09:57 SelfishMan heh 09:59 kf chris: hope everything goes well 10:01 chris it might still be a false alarm, waiting and seeing :) kahu was 5 weeks early though, and its now 3 weeks til due date ... so who knows :) 10:06 fredericd chris: You make me nervous. I'd prefer not to have read that... 10:06 chris heh, you have one coming too fredericd ? 10:08 fredericd Not as I know. My house is full. 10:09 chris ah nothing to be nervous about then :-) 10:13 fredericd just ampathy and recollection... 10:14 chris ahhh :) 10:14 chris its less scary this time, at least i have some idea whats going on, last time we had no bags packed or anything i was running round like in circles 10:15 hdl_laptop what would a woman say then ;) 10:15 nicomo yep : and I hope you've had all the sleep you needed until today ;-) 10:15 gmcharlt hi all 10:15 nicomo hi gmcharlt 10:15 gmcharlt chris: my best wishes to you and laurel 10:16 chris hi gmcharlt, you are awake early 10:16 chris thanks 10:17 gmcharlt you have a funny way of relaxing - looking at koha bugs? ;) 10:18 chris well not relaxing, just a way to not sit there asking laurel "is it getting worse?" every 2 minutes until she gets angry :) 10:18 gmcharlt ha! 10:23 fredericd chris: all the best for your bug tracking :) and more as required 10:25 chris thank you, they seem to be easing off, so it might have just been braxton hicks contractions, we might try to get some sleep 10:25 chris have a good day all 10:28 gmcharlt you too 10:42 Amit_G hi gmcharlt 10:42 gmcharlt hi Amit_G 10:43 Amit_G i m amit 10:46 paul_p hi chris (& al) 10:46 gmcharlt hi paul_p 11:38 jwagner Trying to catch people in non-US timezones -- question about patron registration. Do any sites (esp non-US sites) use the initials field in the patron record for other than middle initials, like Q in John Q. Public? I'm contemplating a minor screen change/relabelling, and don't know whether to keep it local or send to community. 11:39 Amit_G hi jwagner 11:40 jwagner Hi Amit 11:42 paul_p hi jwagner: to answer your question = I never saw a french library using "initials" field 11:45 jwagner Thanks, Paul. I _think_ the field is meant for middle initials, but wanted to see if there was any other usage of it. 11:45 kf hi jane, we do not plan on using it 11:46 kf I thought it would be lake jw for jane wagner - but didn't know where to use it 11:48 jwagner kf, that's what I wasn't sure if -- if some libraries might interpret the field to use for full-name initials (or other purposes). 11:54 kf but I have no idea where you could use this information - perhaps reports? notices? middle name initials could also be witten in surname directly? 11:55 jwagner It's more a tidiness issue -- rather than have firstname field contain John Q., it should be firstname John, initials Q.