Time  Nick        Message
13:47 schuster    wizzyrea you in?
13:48 wizzyrea    I am, sup?
13:49 schuster    What version of Firefox are you all runnin?
13:50 schuster    that's my hick coming out this mornin...
13:51 wizzyrea    3, mostly the latest version but probably some of the minor v3 revisions
13:51 wizzyrea    sneak in there
13:52 schuster    OK - we're still on 2.x until this summer - when you print LONG lists of things do they print ok?  That is our biggest problem and I believe it to be a FF 2 issue.
13:52 schuster    We are only getting page 1 when a borrower or an item has say 200 items attached...
13:52 wizzyrea    3.0.10 is latest -- I haven't heard any complaints
13:53 wizzyrea    oof!
13:53 schuster    Yep major issue right now, but I keep saying it will go away when school starts next year...;)
13:53 wizzyrea    hee
13:53 schuster    I hope :(
13:53 wizzyrea    we're public, people don't *usually* get to 200 items checked out
13:54 wizzyrea    nor do we have many bibs with 200 items
13:54 schuster    Are the localized holds working well? - we have teachers that checkout tons of stuff.
13:54 schuster    Our librarians almost all went into arrest and quit when we told them it is shared holds...
13:54 wizzyrea    a qualified yes, there are still bugs but they do work
13:55 schuster    So just to clarify when a borrower places a hold on a book it keeps the hold to that borrowers location...
13:55 wizzyrea    occasionally you get an item on y our pick list that is local hold, we're not sure why. gmcharlt's working on it though
13:55 schuster    Are you all using Biblios at all?
13:55 wizzyrea    opposite... when a book is catalogued it is placed in itemtype Local Hold
13:55 wizzyrea    and only patrons of that "branch" can put hold on it
13:56 wizzyrea    not yet
13:56 wizzyrea    soon we hope
13:56 wizzyrea    so patron of homelibrary1 can place holds on Local Hold items from homeelibrary1
13:56 wizzyrea    but if patron from homelibrary2 tries to place a hold on Local Hold items from homelibrary1, it will fail
13:57 schuster    So is local hold a field within the item types or a seperate item type all together?  did you have to change item types for an entire library that didn't want to share books?
13:57 wizzyrea    yes, I believe you would have to do that
13:57 wizzyrea    we're all about sharing :P
13:57 wizzyrea    or have independent branches
13:58 wizzyrea    we don't have any libraries that don't share, our values dictate that 95% of the collection is open to any patron in NE Kansas
13:58 schuster    hmmm...  Did LibLime do that for you? - can't do independent branches gets really messy in sharing items and borrowers.  I'm all about sharing, but some librarians have this thing about serving their own students first...
13:58 wizzyrea    yea, it was an enhancement we sponsored
13:59 wizzyrea    it could probably be made better with... MORE MONEY. LOL
13:59 wizzyrea    (that is, our libraries can hold back 5% of their collections to walk in or local hold only)
13:59 schuster    HMMM so you can be all about sharing, but limit some items to just your location... hmmmm...  So those lovely vampire books could be local but the rest of the collection available...
14:00 wizzyrea    (not counting local history or irreplaceable items, of course)
14:00 schuster    That is a great solution...  Hadn't thought about that possibility..  Way cool...
14:00 wizzyrea    yea, exactly, the vampire books can be held back
14:00 wizzyrea    ;)
14:00 wizzyrea    or, you can do what some of our libraries do
14:01 wizzyrea    buy multiple copies of a popular title, share 4 of them, and keep one or two for local patrons
14:01 wizzyrea    only
14:01 wizzyrea    not sure how that would work in a school
14:01 schuster    We still have 80 holds on the last vampire book - mainly because people don't want to share... so they "ignore" the hold which causes other problems.
14:02 wizzyrea    it's definitely a paradigm shift for the participating libraries
14:02 schuster    "Why won't it pull up my hold which is next"...  Well because you told it to ignore holds so now Koha thinks it should go on the shelf!
14:02 wizzyrea    there are also walk in items
14:03 wizzyrea    which means that the person has to physically take the item off of the shelf
14:03 wizzyrea    the person has to be in the library to check it out
14:03 wizzyrea    so that = no holds allowed
14:03 schuster    You are light years ahead of me on the CSS stuff - I hope at the next conference you share your customizations and that "yes even a library in Kansas can customize it!"  Not knocking you praising you!
14:04 schuster    Ah..  neat - we could use that for some of the classroom stuff they don't want to allow holds on during research periods.
14:05 wizzyrea    well thank you... I'm still kind of dumb at it but I'm learning. I'm going through the changes I've made to see how many of them should actually go into the project
14:05 gmcharlt    wizzyrea++
14:05 wizzyrea    yes, exactly, that would be a perfect use for the walk in itemtype
14:06 gmcharlt    (and then put your custom templates under version control, right? ;-) )
14:06 schuster    Cool!  I'm just trying to figure out what we need to sponsor next!  That's my task this week to go through requests and figure out how to prioritize them and figure out how many of them are already in the que or that we need to figure out how much it will cost.
14:06 schuster    gmcharlt - so when will localholds be available to the rest of the Koha community after the bugs are tweaked?  with 3.2 or earlier?
14:07 gmcharlt    schuster: before 3.2 - a matter of a couple weeks or thereabouts
14:08 schuster    That's something I'm trying to wrap my head around is when the "enhancements" that are sponsored are released...  The October 3.2 release is after school starts so I am trying to figure out what I need to focus on for when school starts again in August to show the librarians that Koha IS the way still and not one of the other school CKO systems...
14:08 wizzyrea    gmcharlt: yes, I would love to do that
14:08 schuster    gmcharlt - way cool!  I'll keep looking for it...
14:08 wizzyrea    will need some heavy git tutorial however lol
14:09 wizzyrea    http://www.nexpresslibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nexpress_vision_and_value_statements2.pdf if you're interested schuster
14:09 wizzyrea    OH I did not mean to do that
14:09 wizzyrea    >.>
14:10 wizzyrea    maybe only my client actually shows the document...
14:10 schuster    Anyone able to speak about the URL-Checker that came with 3.01.00.014
14:11 wizzyrea    not it
14:12 wizzyrea    (aside) I really want there to be a editable syspref for the detail page of the opac, the right hand column should be editable
14:12 wizzyrea    user editable(
14:12 wizzyrea    don't know why that came up just now
14:13 schuster    URLs checker enhancement (bug #2959 ) - is what I'm refering to.
14:16 schuster    OK guess not maybe I'll put it on the Dev list to see if there are any takers...  I don't see it documented anywhere.  But my wife tells me that I miss LOTS of stuff as I often skim!
16:45 wizzyrea    whoa lol
16:45 pianohacker Hi, liz
16:46 wizzyrea    hey :)
16:48 pianohacker What's going on?
16:48 wizzyrea    netsplit or something
17:20 pianohacker brb
19:39 _eric_b     chris, is there a way to get an email notification when new strings have to be translated?
20:00 wizzyrea    whatever happened to the koha forum idea? I'm looking back through the list, and I've wondered myself why we don't have RSS enabled forums in addition to/sync'd with the email lists
20:03 gmcharlt    matter of preference, I suppose
20:03 wizzyrea    the last discussion I see of the matter said "use thunderbird, sort threaded"
20:04 wizzyrea    which is good enough I suppose.
20:06 gmcharlt    the big question is when would you post to a forum as opposed to sending an email
20:06 gmcharlt    and I'd be concerned about the discussion getting split up
20:08 wizzyrea    yea, I thought the same thing. I think forums are a little easier for nubs to navigate
20:08 wizzyrea    but only a little
20:09 wizzyrea    would be cool if there was a simultaneous forum <--> email sync
20:10 wizzyrea    then it wouldn't matter how you interacted with it
20:11 wizzyrea    dk, was just curious
20:49 _eric_b     Is there a function providing the htdocs directory to used based on the selected language?
20:51 chris       morning
20:52 rhcl        afternoon
20:52 chris       _eric_b: like when they have been suggested?
20:52 chris       not that i know of, but i could probably whack something up to do that
20:53 _eric_b     chris, no, I just needed to know.  I though about using this to localize the XSLT.
20:53 chris       using it to localise the XSLT would be cool, we just need to create .po files from the XSLT
20:54 chris       the nice thing with pootle is you can download the .po, translate and upload it back and it will merge with others translations
20:54 chris       so you don't have to use the web interface to translate
20:55 chris       if you do want to try it out, let me know, and ill make a new xslt project that you can try it with
20:57 chris       wizzyrea: you can use markmail
20:59 chris       or gmane
20:59 chris       http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.koha
21:00 chris       it lets you reply from there
21:00 chris       http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.koha/14197
21:05 wizzyrea    oh that's neat, I didn't realize youcould post there as well
21:05 wizzyrea    problem solved :)
21:05 pianohacker Hmm
21:05 chris       i kinda like how it fakes being a blog :)
21:05 pianohacker It seems we've all won "The Fat One" lottery
21:06 chris       we have?
21:06 chris       i know i ate a bit too much in texas, but that's just mean
21:06 richard     morning
21:06 chris       hiya richard
21:15 rhcl        Liz, you getting wet? It's gushing here.
21:15 wizzyrea    oh... you mean rain
21:15 rhcl        Well, uh, yea. ??
21:15 wizzyrea    um, it's sprinkling
21:15 wizzyrea    LOL sorry
21:16 wizzyrea    KIDDING only kidding
21:16 rhcl        OK, I had to look up gushing.
21:17 rhcl        Here's what I ment: gush v. gushed, gush·ing, gush·es v.. To flow forth suddenly in great volume: water gushing from a hydrant.
21:17 wizzyrea    lol I'm familiar
21:17 rhcl        But, uh, yea, there is another meaning I see.
21:18 wizzyrea    and I"ve been misreading lots of things today
21:18 wizzyrea    so... sorry
21:18 wizzyrea    but yes, sprinkling rain here
21:19 wizzyrea    geographically, we're in a spot that storms tend to go around
21:19 rhcl        I also meant meant instead of ment.
21:20 wizzyrea    of course :)
21:29 brendan     Yeah - we all win the big bucks!
21:29 brendan     what an open source project!
21:58 wizzyrea    later on folks
22:10 chris       those ones are hard to stop, when someone is subscribed to the list to send it
22:54 chris       hey ccatalfo
22:54 ccatalfo    evening!
22:55 chris       you still doing much work on biblios?
23:11 ccatalfo    chris: I haven't done much work on it since I joined LT but I have some things in mind I plan on starting on one of these evenings
23:11 chris       sweet ;)
23:13 ccatalfo    also trying to finally take a look at Koha and submit a few little things here and there to learn the codebase a bit better
23:14 chris       cool, i saw a couple of patches from you go past
23:23 ccatalfo    chris: you're excited to be working on koha again?
23:23 chris       yeah its fun, mostly doing data munging at this stage but getting time to do some patches too
03:22 Amit_G      Amit_G is Amit
03:28 Amit_G      hi brendan, chris, mason
03:30 Jo          hi Amit
03:37 brendan     hi Amit_G
03:38 Amit_G      hi brendan i m Amit
03:38 Amit_G      hi Jo morning
04:45 mason       afternoon all
04:55 richard     bob u about?
04:55 richard     oops wrong #
04:56 richard     hi mason
05:57 Amit_G      hi mason
06:08 chris       hi hdl_laptop and laurence
06:08 hdl_laptop  hi chris
06:08 laurence    hi chris
06:13 nicomo      hi all
06:14 chris       hi nicomo no meetings today?
06:14 nicomo      :-)
06:14 nicomo      none whatsoever
06:14 nicomo      what a relief
06:15 nicomo      meetings and gloomy hotel rooms are the scurges of this job
06:20 Amit_G      hi chris: http://www.osslabs.biz/koha_library_management_system/resources.html
07:47 chris       evening all
07:47 Amit_G      hi kf
07:48 chris       cool amit
07:53 hdl_laptop  chris: few strings have changed since yesterday, but there has been changes.
07:53 chris       hmm opac or intranet or both?
07:56 kf          hi koha# - came back to work today - still reading mails and koha mailing lists
07:56 kf          hi Amit
08:00 hdl_laptop  intranet mostly
08:01 hdl_laptop  (history file for instance, but also one string in circulation)
08:04 chris       k, ill update all the translation files
08:04 chris       but maybe not tonight
08:05 hdl_laptop  sorry
08:05 chris       its ok :)
09:51 chris       :)
09:51 chris       we have called the midwife, wait and home and see if the contractions get stronger
09:52 chris       laurel is playing tetris and im looking at koha bugs to distract from worrying :)
09:57 SelfishMan  heh
09:59 kf          chris: hope everything goes well
10:01 chris       it might still be a false alarm, waiting and seeing :) kahu was 5 weeks early though, and its now 3 weeks til due date ... so who knows :)
10:06 fredericd   chris: You make me nervous. I'd prefer not to have read that...
10:06 chris       heh, you have one coming too fredericd ?
10:08 fredericd   Not as I know. My house is full.
10:09 chris       ah nothing to be nervous about then :-)
10:13 fredericd   just ampathy and recollection...
10:14 chris       ahhh :)
10:14 chris       its less scary this time, at least i have some idea whats going on, last time we had no bags packed or anything i was running round like in circles
10:15 hdl_laptop  what would a woman say then ;)
10:15 nicomo      yep : and I hope you've had all the sleep you needed until today ;-)
10:15 gmcharlt    hi all
10:15 nicomo      hi gmcharlt
10:15 gmcharlt    chris: my best wishes to you and laurel
10:16 chris       hi gmcharlt, you are awake early
10:16 chris       thanks
10:17 gmcharlt    you have a funny way of relaxing - looking at koha bugs? ;)
10:18 chris       well not relaxing, just a way to not sit there asking laurel "is it getting worse?" every 2 minutes until she gets angry :)
10:18 gmcharlt    ha!
10:23 fredericd   chris: all the best for your bug tracking :) and more as required
10:25 chris       thank you, they seem to be easing off, so it might have just been braxton hicks contractions, we might try to get some sleep
10:25 chris       have a good day all
10:28 gmcharlt    you too
10:42 Amit_G      hi gmcharlt
10:42 gmcharlt    hi Amit_G
10:43 Amit_G      i m amit
10:46 paul_p      hi chris (& al)
10:46 gmcharlt    hi paul_p
11:38 jwagner     Trying to catch people in non-US timezones -- question about patron registration.  Do any sites (esp non-US sites) use the initials field in the patron record for other than middle initials, like Q in John Q. Public?  I'm contemplating a minor screen change/relabelling, and don't know whether to keep it local or send to community.
11:39 Amit_G      hi jwagner
11:40 jwagner     Hi Amit
11:42 paul_p      hi jwagner: to answer your question = I never saw a french library using "initials" field
11:45 jwagner     Thanks, Paul.  I _think_ the field is meant for middle initials, but wanted to see if there was any other usage of it.
11:45 kf          hi jane, we do not plan on using it
11:46 kf          I thought it would be lake jw for jane wagner - but didn't know where to use it
11:48 jwagner     kf, that's what I wasn't sure if -- if some libraries might interpret the field to use for full-name initials (or other purposes).
11:54 kf          but I have no idea where you could use this information - perhaps reports? notices? middle name initials could also be witten in surname directly?
11:55 jwagner     It's more a tidiness issue -- rather than have firstname field contain John Q., it should be firstname John, initials Q.