Time  Nick           Message
13:01 gmcharlt       paul_p: about?
13:25 owen           Hi #koha
13:26 gmcharlt       hi owen
13:26 gmcharlt       how is the new mini-you?
13:26 owen           Doing great
13:28 gmcharlt       :)
13:30 owen           Seems like it's the Koha community that's going through birthing pains now
13:38 paul_p         hello world
13:40 owen           Hi paul_p
14:17 wizzyrea       mornin everybody
14:17 owen           Hi wizzyrea
14:17 gmcharlt       hi wizzyrea
14:40 wizzyrea       holy moly. what a weekend on the list
14:41 wizzyrea       ;)
14:41 slef           :-(
14:42 wizzyrea       the internet is a terrible place to fight. You lose so much context
14:42 owen           Yeah, that got uglier than it should have
14:44 slef           how so?
14:45 owen           I think the whole discussion of the new site got too emotional and accusatory on all sides.
14:45 wizzyrea       owen - agreed
14:48 slef           well, after patiently waiting for access for days||years, to get 2 days notice of replacement is a bit poor
14:49 owen           Not ideal, but I think Liblime is acting in good faith and trying to do their best.
14:49 owen           The site has been a long time coming, and they've put a lot of effort into it.
14:49 owen           Sure they could have had an easier job if they'd gotten more help from the community, but in this case I suspect it's a matter of not knowing how to manage that process rather than wanting to exclude.
14:49 slef           they've been working on it since at least mid-2007, so why botch it together in such a rush now?
14:50 owen           It's been so long I think it was time to commit. Get it out there and start fixing what's broken.
14:51 slef           but we can't fix what's broken
14:52 owen           That's just a temporary problem.
14:52 wizzyrea       gmcharlt: I had to do the same with the NEKLS website... nobody wanted to do the content before it went live
14:52 slef           since the start of the website replacement project
14:52 wizzyrea       so I put it up broken to force their hand
14:53 slef           but there was no need to force - we've been requesting edit access
14:53 wizzyrea       i believe it's probably a temporary condition
14:54 owen           slef, do you think Liblime has an ulterior motive for not giving you access?
14:55 slef           owen: I think LibLime is replacing the web authors.
14:56 slef           not sure if that's an ulterior motive or if corporations can have motives besides profit, but I think that's what's happening.
14:57 slef           (private US corporations, at least)
14:58 slef           I hope I'm wrong, but I started out with the belief that it's a probably a temporary condition, but after a week, publication and launch, that belief has been shaken severely.
14:58 owen           So in your opinion they're deliberately excluding you (and others) because they feel it's in the best interest of their company
14:58 slef           at the moment, yes
14:59 slef           or rather, it's not in their interest to grant access to me, Chris or Russel
15:00 slef           I don't know who else had edit access, but I know that new webmaster Tina didn't have access until this change.
15:01 owen           And you think she shouldn't have access?
15:02 slef           I think the community should decide - until then, the previous web authors should at least continue.
15:03 owen           I certainly agree with you that the previous authors should have access
15:03 wizzyrea       ^^
15:03 owen           I think the question of whether Tina should have access comes down to whether you assume that Liblime is a good or a bad actor in the Koha community
15:04 owen           Seems like a lot of folks think Liblime isn't acting in the interests of the Koha community these days, and I find that hard to understand.
15:06 wizzyrea       what is it, never assign to malice that which can adequately be explained by ignorance.
15:06 slef           I think the difference is more whether one thinks LibLime is acting in the interests of the Koha community in its entirity, or only so far as it helps LibLime and obstructing other actors.
15:06 slef           wizzyrea: possibly, but it's unbelievable that LibLime was ignorant of requests for acess to Plone.
15:08 slef           sure... I'll hug almost anyone... I just don't understand anyone endorsing the website launching like that
15:10 owen           I think Liblime deserves more benefit of the doubt than they're getting
15:10 wizzyrea       to look at the page, it really looks to me (someone who really is relatively new and doesn't have a lot of baggage) like they INTEND to allow almost anybody to edit the site, it's just not working right yet
15:10 slef           owen: OK, until when?
15:11 wizzyrea       (I registered, and I can't get the edit link either. Which is why I feel like it might be ignorance.)
15:14 owen           slef: Until you can demonstrate that their actions can't be explained as anything other than evil
15:15 slef           owen: demonstrate or prove?
15:15 owen           It sounds like you want proof from Liblime.
15:16 slef           owen: sure, because that seems simple.  So do you feel I should wait until I can demonstrate or prove that they're being evil?
15:18 owen           I think Liblime deserves the benefit of the doubt, based on their history and their people, until you or someone can demonstrate that they're deliberately acting contrary to the interests of the community
15:21 slef           owen: demonstrate or prove?  It's a pretty straightforward question.
15:21 slef           there will always be doubt over alternative explanations or deliberation
15:22 slef           unless someone goes Mission-Impossible on their offices
15:23 gmcharlt       hdl_laptop: quick question for you - is there any reason by 3.0.x commit e6e27bc80a7be792c228d2fef2e981539191ec36 shouldn't be ported to HEAD?
15:23 wizzyrea       ooh, intrigue
15:24 wizzyrea       pianohacker! hi!
15:25 rhcl           Hi Paul
15:26 pianohacker    Hello, all
15:26 pianohacker    Also, hello to Paul
15:27 pianohacker    Does anyone know who "COURYHOUSE" is?
15:28 chris          yep, he is famous (infamous)
15:28 chris          the lccn man :)
15:28 wizzyrea       chris! mornin/evenin!
15:29 chris          wizzyrea: way too early in the morning, but kahu has got a cough so i just got him back to sleep
15:29 gmcharlt       hey chris
15:31 wizzyrea       ew, my kiddo has the same. has been a icky few days
15:31 chris          not much fun eh
15:32 wizzyrea       an* icky
15:33 chris          now he is yelling "my daddy"
15:33 chris          which i have to resist, or i will be in there all night
15:34 slef           gmcharlt: how will we whittle down the rfc3.2s to an achievable list?
15:35 chris          ahh quiet
15:35 gmcharlt       slef: LL can do some slicing and dicing on the ones that we expect to make it by the end of August
15:35 chris          its amazing how when you become a parent, you appreciate silence so much more
15:35 gmcharlt       but basically I intend to simply make it calendar driven
15:35 wizzyrea       too true
15:35 gmcharlt       so anything that doesn't hit end of August automatically becomes something for 3.4 or 4.0
15:36 hdl_laptop     gmcharlt: i think you are right and can be integrated in HEAD.
15:38 chris          speaking of parents, alll good in the leonard clan owen?
15:38 owen           Yeah, the new little girl is doing great. Sleeping lots, which always helps ;) I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.
15:40 chris          :)
15:41 owen           In fact it's time for me to get back to them.
15:41 owen           don't anyone burn the place down while I'm gone okay?
15:41 owen           exit
15:42 chris          hes a good man that one
15:47 gmcharlt       owen++
15:49 chris          ok, time for me to try and get some more sleep
15:50 wizzyrea       gl!
15:51 wizzyrea       I wish I had been smart enough to make friends in other time zones when my munchkin was small and I was up all night
16:42 danny          have any devs worked with bazaar vcs? curious to hear what you thought of it compared to git
16:42 slef           it's similar but different
16:43 danny          slef: do you have a personal preference if you were able to choose which you'd rather work with?
16:43 slef           danny: I choose git.
16:43 slef           but there's no strong technical reason for that preference
16:44 danny          ok
16:44 slef           exaggerating slightly, I think that git has lots of people hammering it with big projects while bazaar is a Canonical Not-Invented-Here rewrite of another good tool
16:45 slef           ok, exaggerating a lot
16:46 gmcharlt       I've bzr a tiny bit to work on pymarc
16:47 gmcharlt       I agree with slef's take on bzr vs. git
16:48 davi           I have not used bzr, but I like git a lot
16:50 danny          ok, i've not used bzr either, but I am about to work on another open source project and the other dev was leaning towards bzr
16:51 danny          i was trying to decide if it was worth it to learn bzr or convince him to use git
16:51 davi           bzr is part of the GNU project.
16:52 davi           Git is not part of the GNU project.
16:52 davi           bzr is a lot slower than Git.
16:52 davi           Git has lot of more users.
16:53 davi           danny, If he is already using bzr, instead of trying to convince him to switch toward Git I would just learn bzr.
16:54 slef           davi: wow, I didn't know that.  It seems arch is no longer part of the GNU project.
16:54 slef           I expect there are git-bzr and/or bzr-git
16:54 danny          he isn't using bzr, and there is currently not a vcs in place, so we just deciding which to pick
16:54 davi           arch is old
16:55 davi           danny, I would advise to pick Git
16:55 danny          I would too, but I am biased because I've never used bzr
16:55 davi           bzr interface is said to be cool
16:56 davi           It is just bzr is a little slower than Git, for projects with lot of source code, as the Linux kernel
16:56 slef           or koha... and git wasn't fast to import koha
16:56 gmcharlt       if you're used to git, bzr has a pretty low learning curve
16:57 davi           gmcharlt, That is right
16:57 davi           later slef
16:58 slef           nengard's email to me is taking 5 hours to get between two google.com servers.  Ouch.
16:59 slef           Received: by 10.100.151.8 [...] 04:05:26 -0700 (PDT)
16:59 slef           Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com [...] 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
16:59 slef           bbl
17:03 wizzyrea_lunch afk a few :D
17:15 schuster       question about guided "saved" reports - where are they "saved" and can an SQL be edited so I don't have to recreate the report and get a new saved number?
17:15 gmcharlt       schuster: saved_sql table
17:15 gmcharlt       and there's recent patch to let you edit the SQL
17:16 gmcharlt       may not have propagated to you yet
17:39 davi           self, GNU arch is part of GNU, http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/  It is just happens that Bazzar has joined too the GNU project, See  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar-announce/2008-February/000135.html
18:51 jwagner        Anyone around for a searching question?
18:52 gmcharlt       that could have multiple meanings :)
18:53 jwagner        Well, let's stick to the one related to the Advanced Search page :-)
18:53 gmcharlt       shoot
18:54 jwagner        Two ways to approach what I'm thinking of.  Is there any way to (1) search by collection code rather than item type?  or (2) tell the system to omit certain item types from the list that shows on advanced search?  (short of custom coding, that is)
18:54 jwagner        Primarily for OPAC advanced search, this is.
18:55 gmcharlt       jwagner: take a look at the AdvancedSearchTypes syspref
18:55 gmcharlt       of course, anything that you can limit on you can construct a regular search for
18:55 jwagner        Bingo.  Overlooked that syspref completely.  Thanks, that should do what I want!
19:20 jdavidb        I'm probably 10 or 15 minutes away from having a first patch for you to smoke-test in isolation against koha.org.
19:20 jdavidb        (wrong window...sorry.)
19:25 brendan        god morning #koha
19:26 gmcharlt       hi brendan
19:26 gmcharlt       how are you?
19:26 brendan        good - there has been a nice marine layer over the area for the past two days...  so SB is calm now
19:27 brendan        kind of funny the fire for me has switched from actual forest here to the koha mailing list.  if you know what I mean
19:35 wizzyrea       oh do we. lol
19:45 schuster       Question about self checkout - sco/sco-main.pl - is anyone doing any development work on this?  I did attempt a search in bugs...
19:46 gmcharlt       schuster: there has been some bugfixing activity with it
19:47 schuster       OK - I've had a request if the issues could be in reverse order ASC rather than what looks to be the order in which they entered the issues table.
19:48 gmcharlt       reverse order by checkout date? due date?
19:48 schuster       I'm at that point of the year where we need to look at enhancements and determine if there is any money to do anything!
19:48 schuster       they are in checkout date from what it looks like - we would like it in due date so the oldest is first rather than the most recent.
19:49 gmcharlt       schuster: so I'm clear: 2009-04-09, 2009-05-20, 2009-05-21, etc?
19:50 schuster       It is showing 4/23/09 and then the 4/18/09 after that for duedate - we would like it to display the 4/18/09 then the 4/23/09 duedate.
19:51 schuster       gmcharlt you are backwards on how it currently displays - if you example is how we want it that is correct.
19:51 schuster       Duedate that is.
19:51 gmcharlt       schuster: right, my example was how you want it (or confirming that, rather)
19:52 schuster       The code looks very simplistic in just pulling from the issues table for that borrower - when I ran an sql they came up that way from issues as well so that is why I suspect there is no "ordering" to it.
19:52 schuster       (currently)
19:53 gmcharlt       it's currently explicitly ordered by date of original loan
19:54 schuster       Off to put a list of enhancements together!  Since we don't have the enhancements database up to date yet what is the best way for me to VET my requests to the group to see if there is work being done?
19:54 gmcharlt       file bugs
19:54 gmcharlt       & send email to koha-devel if you want to try to shake out anybody who's hiding
19:55 schuster       OK - get ready!  I may use this as my examples to figure out how to write the documentation on entering enhancements.  That's a good idea as well.
19:55 schuster       Happy Monday!
19:55 gmcharlt       you too!
19:56 schuster       gmcharlt so there would have to be some code written to order it differently not just an asc/desc option drat.
19:56 gmcharlt       schuster: there are several options
19:56 gmcharlt       code changes
19:56 gmcharlt       or a change to the template
19:57 gmcharlt       to use a javascript library called tablesorter
19:57 jwagner        schuster, I've been looking at self-checkout, but haven't done anything yet.  I have a site that doesn't want to have to manually log in to this page.  I was looking at a syspref for autologin, and sysprefs to fill in ID & password for account with circ privileges, then have the sco page check for that & do automatic login if requested.  Dunno if that would have any effect on your plans.
19:57 gmcharlt       to make the duedate, and other columns, sortable
19:57 wizzyrea       tablesorter ++
19:58 gmcharlt       the sorting change is a pretty tiny one in the grand scheme of things
19:58 gmcharlt       and would likely be the sort of thing that would end up be an example of something that once you call attention to it
19:59 gmcharlt       somebody may just do
20:00 gmcharlt       so you can also position it as an example of libraries helping other libraries by somebody making that change
20:23 atz            wizzyrea: tablesorter isn't really that great a fix.  you are delivering the data in a set order, so the only efficient thing to do is make it the right one.
20:24 atz            after the page is delivered is where tablesorter makes sense
20:26 wizzyrea       atz: is true, except that (and yes, admittedly is a nubcake thing to say) schuster, or even I, could make a javascript change. Changing the code - not so much (at least, yet). I wholly appreciate your bent towards efficiency, though, and your way is probably the right way.
20:27 atz            yeah, the application becomes insane if you sort/resort batches at each level.... cost gets exponential
20:28 wizzyrea       unless of course, not *everyone* wants it in the order you give them. That's probably a bigger change though.
20:28 atz            self-check is in the OPAC too, which we still try to provide degradable HTML for non-js users
20:28 atz            *in which
20:29 atz            wizzyrea: some solutions are: cookies, some recycling form parameter, syspref(s) or maybe something else
20:30 atz            there is a syspref already that deals with sort order on the non-self-check page
20:30 wizzyrea       one could argue that the SCO isn't really for the "public" as a library might be running that interface on dedicated machines
20:30 wizzyrea       just sayin ;)
20:31 wizzyrea       (dedicated machines that the library has control over what settings are in use)
20:31 atz            a fair argument... technically part of the OPAC, but "conceptually" part of the STAFF interface
20:31 wizzyrea       just, patrons happen to look at it
20:32 gmcharlt       anything that requires a staff operator login is a staff function :)
20:32 wizzyrea       well there you have it lol
20:32 wizzyrea       it really is a cool piece of functionality
20:32 wizzyrea       the sco module
20:33 pianohacker    wizzyrea: vtl is looking at starting a Koha users group in WI called WisKE
20:33 pianohacker    You started a bad habit
20:34 wizzyrea       LOL!
20:34 wizzyrea       love it
20:34 gmcharlt       grr - time to start Koha'ers Opposing Puns
20:34 atz            the KOPs?
20:34 gmcharlt       I didn't say I would qualify as a member :)
20:34 atz            nice
20:36 schuster       vtl was upset that keggers was taken so they had to come up with something equally as clever...  now getting approval to go to a Kegger or WisKE event might be tricky...
20:37 gmcharlt       well, nobody can afford to serve (good) whiskey at a kegger, so it should be just fine
20:37 wizzyrea       (to be fair, one of our librarians came up with the name "Koha Explorer's Group" and a different librarian came up with the Kegger moniker)
20:37 schuster       What does Kegger stand for in Kansas for the Koha users group?
20:37 wizzyrea       Koha Explorer's Group
20:37 schuster       Ah very clever...
20:38 schuster       Makes us all sound like a bunch of drinkers!  Not that we aren't but... don't tell my boss.
20:38 wizzyrea       lol
20:39 schuster       Thanks all for your help again today - off to explore enhancement possibilities  and the next step in the "enhancement process"...  Look for a call for participation!
20:44 pianohacker    Sounds like you've had a bit yourself
20:45 pianohacker    On work hours? tsk, tsk
20:50 wizzyrea       ^.^ no drinking here, I'm naturally this loopy
21:06 chris          morning
21:06 pianohacker    Good morning
21:06 pianohacker    Get any more sleep?
21:07 chris          yep 4 more hours
21:17 gmcharlt       chris: I ran across some stuff that references HLT in the code
21:17 chris          my bad
21:17 gmcharlt       chris: I'm going to excise it, so since you're working on their migration to 3.x
21:17 chris          :)
21:17 chris          yeah
21:17 gmcharlt       I'll leave it to you to put it back in a syspref-able manner
21:17 chris          cool, sounds good
21:17 chris          im guessing to do with fines?
21:18 gmcharlt       yes, I believe so
21:18 gmcharlt       but also in CanBookBeIssued() of all places
21:19 chris          heh classy
21:25 gmcharlt       ok, patch in question pushed if you need to note it as a possible regression for HLT
21:28 chris          actually you are right, that was only needed in 2.2
21:28 chris          3.0 allows the override
21:29 chris          wow so much mail, all of it worth reading too
21:29 chris          koha_community++
21:31 gmcharlt       chris: the only big thing left that appears to be HLT-specific is C4::Print
21:31 chris          yeah, that can be removed, because that whole thing no longer works (printing to printqueues) and needs to be rewritten
21:32 chris          and it will still all be in git if we ever do need it
21:32 gmcharlt       yep
21:33 gmcharlt       is HLT planning to still use that kind of remote printing after they upgrade?
21:34 chris          not sure, the printers are all connected to a cups server still
21:34 chris          so whatever printing has to go through that anyway
21:34 chris          but you can do that in the browser, we will have to try and see if its acceptable
21:34 chris          it can be added back pretty fast if not
21:35 gmcharlt       yeah, although next time around using C4::Letters presumably
21:35 chris          yep
21:54 atz            patch sent for biblioitems.marcxml parse checking script
21:54 chris          ohh sweet
21:55 chris          somethign for weekly maintenance huh?
21:55 atz            well, depending on library size
21:55 atz            it could be prohibitively costly on a large DB
21:56 atz            but yeah, it crontab-able
21:56 atz            *it's
21:56 atz            i think that the authorities linking script may be silently corrupting the xml with fields that are empty
21:56 chris          ahhh
21:57 atz            but like all these problems, fixing that script wouldn't be enough now that the mangled data is in the wild
21:57 chris          on a large db, might be good to run this against a slave?
21:57 atz            yeah, if you are just getting the warning/output
21:58 atz            it has a --fix option to replace the marcxml with data from marc
21:58 chris          right, so you could run the warnings on a slave, and then fix on the faster if you get any hits
21:58 atz            yeah, though that wouldn't necessarily be something you could crontab
21:59 chris          true
21:59 chris          youd probably want a human involved, get an email from the crontab with the warning/output
21:59 chris          and then a human decides whether to run the fix or not
22:00 atz            yeah, it should be the same human who maybe got in underneath the application and was tweaking XML manually...
22:00 chris          :-)
22:00 atz            also has a --Lint option for MARC::Lint analysis
22:00 chris          nice
22:01 atz            most of my records are Linty :\
22:02 atz            chris: did you see my mail about Amazon?
22:03 chris          yeah, havent devoted it the attention it deserves yet
22:03 atz            me either, except to say "umm.. i know some people who need to hear this"
22:05 chris          yeah
22:08 brendan        hey atz - haven't had a chance to say hi in a while
22:08 atz            greets brendan
22:08 brendan        how's Ohio
22:09 atz            nice... sunny and tame recently
22:09 brendan        my fiance is in columbus for a conference
22:09 brendan        the tame part is nice...
22:09 chris          does columbus have a baseball team?
22:09 brendan        minor league I think.  the yankees used to be there
22:09 chris          i know they have a hockey one, i saw them play when i was visiting
22:09 atz            yeah, the Clippers
22:09 atz            brand new stadium downtown
22:10 chris          sweet
22:10 brendan        and they have a great soccer stadium and team
22:10 brendan        the crew
22:10 chris          i fear i have caught the bug
22:10 brendan        awesome!
22:10 brendan        I feel somewhat responsible for the infection...
22:10 atz            the Clippers were previously Yankee-affiliated
22:10 chris          ill have to go see the pirates play next time im visiting the inlaws
22:11 atz            then switched to the Washington Wizards
22:11 brendan        the best medicine is to realize that the baseball season is long....
22:11 brendan        ah the pirates stadium is supposed to be the best there is
22:11 brendan        the stadium is awesome -- the team not so much anymore
22:12 chris          *nod*
22:12 atz            the new Ohio State baseball park is a nice place for an NCAA game if you want to see that level too
22:12 chris          ohh
22:12 chris          good idea
22:12 atz            little cheaper than MLB
22:12 brendan        it pretty interesting to watch NCAA -- they use metal bats
22:13 chris          so can hit further?
22:13 brendan        the ball really jumps of the bat -- it's a much more offensive game...  that's a pun too
22:13 chris          heh
22:13 atz            http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=925243
22:13 brendan        the metal bats add a few more miles per hour to the ball when hit... so 10~15 feet further
22:14 brendan        scary for thrid basemen -- called the hot corner
22:15 chris          that does look nice atz
22:15 brendan        I prefer to use metal - just because I'm relatively small - so I can actually hit the ball out once a year
22:15 chris          hehe
22:17 chris          http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2401763/Sports-quiz-May-12
22:17 chris          lets see how good your nz sports trivia is :)
22:18 atz            chris: met a viola player at the bar the other night... he said, "yeah, my band isn't very big, but we got popular in NZ"
22:18 chris          lol awesome
22:18 atz            i guess the rugby team used their song in a video or something
22:18 chris          could well do
22:21 chris          they do use a lot of classical type music in advertisements
22:21 chris          or highlight packages
22:21 chris          specially with slow motion replays
22:21 brendan        hehe -- small world bars are sometimes
22:24 atz            new (as in, open for less than a month!) Clippers ballpark
22:24 atz            http://www.huntingtonparkcolumbus.com/Photos.html
22:25 chris          ohh very cool
22:31 chris          it is both fortunate and unfortunate that my list of places to visit and things to do keeps growing :)
22:32 brendan        chris - hopefully it always grows...  mine is too big also
00:06 brendan        heya Jo
00:25 Jo             hi Brendan
00:55 chris          hey owen :)
00:55 owen           Hi
00:56 owen           I return to my computer with great trepidation after being away all day
00:56 chris          its a bit like that
00:56 chris          but no, lots of good emails today
00:58 brendan        hey owen
00:59 owen           Hi brendan
01:03 chris          back, its dangerous having a bakery that close
01:30 Nightshadow    ...
01:30 Nightshadow    vdfferf
01:30 owen           Hi Nightshadow
01:30 owen           Nice talkin' to ya.
01:31 chris          heh cya later owen
01:48 pianohacker    Weird, that wasn't even rot13
01:48 pianohacker    Just random
01:48 pianohacker    Oh well
01:49 chris          i think someone found the cgi that gets you into #koha :)
02:27 pianohacker    Good night, koha
02:47 chris          hello reed :)
02:48 reed           hellow
02:48 reed           did my allotment of productivity so safe to be on irc now
02:48 chris          awesome
02:49 reed           may even have me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to celebrate
02:49 chris          :)
02:50 reed           fyi - still planning to do that lenny clean install experiment w/koha
02:50 reed           probly next week while I'm off
02:50 chris          fabulous
02:53 brendan        heya reed
02:58 reed           hey
02:58 brendan        so I hear you're from the sunshine state - if I remember correctly
02:58 reed           oh, not me -- those people are crazy
02:58 reed           tennessee
02:59 atz            yeah, *those* people are sane.
02:59 brendan        whoops thought tennesee was the sunshine state
02:59 reed           florida
03:00 brendan        ha
03:00 reed           florida's also very flat, which I find disturbing for some reason
03:01 reed           wellington and east tennessee have a lot in common topologically
03:01 reed           aside from the ocean
03:01 atz            yeah, the highest "mountain peak" in florida is 344 feet
03:01 atz            http://www.mountainzone.com/mountains/highest-peaks.asp?s=FL
03:01 reed           heh
03:02 brendan        and too many old people -- sorry gmcharlt
03:02 atz            which in tennessee doesn't qualify as a turdpile
03:02 brendan        I think the town dump has got to be the highest point
03:02 brendan        it was in the town I went to school at in indiana
03:02 reed           nice
03:21 Amit           hi brendan, chris, mason
03:21 Amit           good morning koha
03:22 chris          hi amit
03:25 brendan        heya amit
03:29 Jo             sending a wee quiet sos to a marc guru out there in Koha world ..
03:29 Amit           hi Jo
03:30 Jo             testing z39.50  and can't save the record because 2 fields aren't filled in : 003 (control #identifier) and 040 (Transcribing agency)
03:30 Jo             Hi Amit
03:30 Jo             and while I am very clever at many things, I am not clever at marc!
03:33 Jo             I have a marc code of NZ-LeHLT which might be the 003 one - but it didn't accept that. (was system generated y Koha I presume)
03:33 chris          is this koha 3 Jo?
03:33 Jo             yep
03:33 brendan        you can either make something up for those fields or make them not mandatory in your marc-framework... I think
03:33 Jo             oh - i do like making them not mandatory
03:33 Jo             that sounds like a splendid solution!
03:34 brendan        checking my system -- back in a moment
03:34 Jo             Chris: in the kohaaloha test site
03:34 chris          ah righto, normally there is a plugin enabled
03:34 chris          for 003
03:34 Jo             just playing with the manual and seeing how it all works readyu for when you say "have at it girls"
03:34 chris          so just clicking in that field fills it in
03:35 Jo             yepo. that seems to be working - but maybe I havn't entered the right info in the sys pref
03:37 Jo             I have entered NZ-LeHLT in the marc org code section of sys pref / cataloguing
03:38 Jo             sigh .. i can't where to stop them being compulsory
03:43 chris          2 secs
03:43 chris          i will go check the rules of 0002
03:43 Jo             thanks
03:43 chris          and then 003 which is what i meant to type
03:43 Jo             :)
03:44 chris          you are right
03:44 chris          http://www.loc.gov/marc/organizations/org-search.php?org_keyword=Horowhenua&submit=Search
03:45 chris          so if it wont accept that, there may be a bug
03:47 chris          ill just try on my test one
03:51 chris          yep its happy with that on mine, still wants 040c tho
03:51 Jo             ok. so the 040c must be the blocker
03:51 chris          yep
03:52 chris          just put testing in there
03:52 Jo             and i have no idea what to put there or even what it is...
03:52 Jo             ok.
03:52 chris          if thd were here he would know
03:53 Jo             thats ok ... I'll see what loc have to say as well
03:53 Jo             oclc
03:59 Jo             040 Subfield $c - Transcribing agency:
03:59 Jo             Subfield $c contains the MARC code or the name of the organization that transcribed the record into machine-readable form.
03:59 Jo             040c
03:59 Jo             thats just dum that it doesn't come over automatically.
03:59 Jo             i must have done something stupid in the system setup
06:16 Hopposai       hello all
06:17 Hopposai       anyone home/alive?
07:01 chris          so much mail to read
07:22 chris          hdl_laptop: i havent noticed any problems yet with the testing version
07:23 hdl_laptop     hi chris.
07:23 hdl_laptop     thanks for report.
07:24 chris          jo will be doing some testing on it tomorrow too
07:43 chris          hdl_laptop: all the language files are updated on translate.koha.org
07:44 hdl_laptop     I saw a message on that point yesterday I think.
07:44 hdl_laptop     Thanks
07:45 chris          most languages have only 38 or 45 strings to translate (those that were up to date for 3.0.1)
07:45 chris          if we see cait tonight, we can pester her to do the german one :)
07:45 chris          and i can pester you to finish the french :)
07:47 chris          at least for the opac, more for the intranet
07:53 hdl_laptop     i will ask nicomo to do that.
07:56 chris          cool
08:08 chris          hi fredericd
08:08 hdl_laptop     hi fredericd
08:09 fredericd      hello all
08:19 Amit           hi fredericd
09:12 slef           hi all
09:12 hdl_laptop     hi slef
09:13 chris          hi slef
09:15 Amit           hi slef
10:27 nahuel         hi dudes
10:28 davi           hi
11:01 slef           chris: don't do it! ;-)
11:04 chris          heh
11:38 chris          hi jwagner
11:41 jwagner        Hi Chris, sorry, was on another screen.
11:43 chris          no worries, im about to go to sleep pretty soon anyway
11:44 jwagner        How was the visit to the octopus?
11:45 chris          lots of fun, we got to see some carpet sharks, some big snapper and hold a starfish too
11:45 chris          i suspect we will be going the next open day too
11:46 jwagner        Sounds nicely squirmy :-)  I'll stick to dogs and cats.
11:50 chris          ok sleep for me, have a good day all
11:52 jwagner        G'night.