Time  Nick         Message
11:56 gmcharlt     hi kf
11:56 kf           hi gmcharlt
11:34 gmcharlt     greeintgs #koha
09:13 Amit         hi slef
08:47 chris        hi slef
08:47 slef         hi all
05:05 bignose-work scary stuff. best wishes to those in that area.
05:05 bignose-work those photos look just like Mordor seen from Minas Tirith.
05:05 bignose-work and they said that Mordor in New Zealand was just a special effect.
04:36 chris        hopefully the fire is out by the time we next talk
04:35 chris        well my wife is coming in for after work drinks, so i should go downstairs and be there when she arrives
04:35 chris        freaky
04:35 chris        i bet
04:35 brendan      chris even here it looks big
04:32 chris        thats a scarily big fire
04:31 Amit         ok
04:31 brendan      amit take a look if they load for you
04:31 brendan      http://twitpic.com/4rj3i
04:30 brendan      http://twitpic.com/4rj1h
04:30 brendan      hey chris -- just posted some more pics on twitpic
04:28 reed         hi
04:28 Amit         hi reed
04:27 Amit         chris; screen is so wide
04:27 reed         (meant in neither a good nor a bad way)
04:26 reed         smells like plone
04:16 chris        the css is kind broken in my browser too
04:12 Amit         what about download section
04:09 Amit         hmm
04:08 chris        yeah, i dont like the new format
04:08 Amit         http://new.koha.org/support/pay-for-support
04:08 Amit         pay for support section is not data-wise
04:07 chris        dont like the pay for support section
04:07 chris        with the manual etc
04:07 chris        i like the documentation section
04:06 Amit         chris which one?
04:05 chris        i like some of it, dont like other bits
04:04 Amit         yours?
04:03 Amit         it is good as compare to old one
04:03 brendan      yes I saw it what do you think?
04:03 Amit         brendan: http://new.koha.org/
04:02 brendan      heya amit
04:02 Amit         hi brendan
03:40 Amit         hi chris, mason good morning
02:53 reed         hard to really make the case
02:53 reed         given that the Internet exists
02:52 reed         have heard the opposite
02:52 chris        yeah that's a new one for me too
02:52 reed         never in my life have I heard the 'can't be standard compliant' one
02:50 chris        *nod*
02:50 SelfishMan   I'll deploy and support whatever platform best solves a clients problem but there is a lot of fear out there
02:49 chris        public sector is a different story
02:49 SelfishMan   Once I deploy it and show them the numbers the only question they have is why they waited so long to switch
02:49 chris        its interesting, there is very little resistance to FOSS in the private sector in nz
02:48 SelfishMan   I deal with a lot of businesses, both large and small, and I get this kind of resistance to FOSS everywhere
02:47 chris        which i usually combat that, its running in consortia bigger than all the libraries in this country
02:47 chris        i often get "koha is only for very small libraries"
02:46 chris        the same illformed opinions often come out of our national library too
02:46 chris        ahhh
02:45 SelfishMan   Nah, it was someone at our state library
02:45 chris        this was a selfcheck vendor?
02:45 SelfishMan   My head almost imploded when they told me this stuff
02:45 chris        :)
02:44 chris        it just took a library to actually ask for
02:44 chris        way way back in 2002 3M were wanting to get their stuff working with Koha .. theyve been taking it seriously since then, and SIP is their baby
02:43 chris        yeah
02:43 SelfishMan   It's a defacto standard
02:42 chris        SIP is only a standard in the same way .doc is a standard
02:42 SelfishMan   My response: "Umm...there are several people interfacing your product with koha via SIP right now"
02:42 chris        ?
02:42 chris        awesome, did you tell them SIP isnt a standard
02:42 SelfishMan   Yes, they were nice enough to inform me that koha will never be SIP compliant
02:39 chris        if we talk about actual standards, not jsut standards vendors made up
02:39 chris        i think evergreen and koha are probably more standards compliant that the rest of the proprietary systems put together :)
02:39 chris        lol
02:38 SelfishMan   I think they were really stretching with that "reason"
02:37 SelfishMan   hmm...I've just been informed that FOSS solutions like koha are a bad thing for libraries because they aren't backed by deep pockets so they will never be standards compliant.
01:22 richard      will do
01:22 richard      sort of easing back into the work force
01:22 chris        sweet, say hi from me
01:22 richard      she's doing a bit of contract work
01:19 chris        richard: is bex working for katipo again?
01:07 richard      oops, wrong #
01:07 richard      bex?
00:28 pianohacker  good night, #koha
23:40 chris        :)
23:38 brendan      we just donated some doggie food to the humane society... so at least got something constructive accomplished today
23:33 chris        dang
23:31 brendan      back home - not too good, the wind is picking up
23:12 chris        cya later
23:12 brendan      heading home -- chat with you all later
22:49 chris        hi eiro :)
22:49 eiro         hello guys
22:41 richard      yeah, felt it too
22:40 chris        earthquake
21:41 brendan      heading outside to check the wind
21:40 chris        freaky eh
21:39 wizzyrea1    wow
21:39 brendan      yup.  from the front
21:39 wizzyrea1    omg, is that from your house?
21:37 brendan      news is just so much faster now...
21:36 brendan      geez - within a minute I already had 21 views!
21:36 gmcharlt     hang in there
21:36 chris        yeah fair enough
21:35 brendan      here's a pic...  http://twitpic.com/4qphs
21:35 brendan      tough doing work today -- with some much fire news going on around me... I can't seem to think about anything else
21:13 chris        i love qemu
20:47 chris        heya richard
20:43 rhcl         afternoon
20:39 richard      morning
20:38 chris        back
20:30 pianohacker  heh
20:30 gmcharlt     could one tell if a robins sneezes? :)
20:30 pianohacker  Ah, a man of schiensh
20:29 rhcl         Well, robins eat worms all the time, and I'v never seen a robin with allergies, so it must work.
20:26 wizzyrea1    it's just theory though >.>
20:25 wizzyrea1    supposedly this works better than most traditional medicine
20:25 wizzyrea1    rhcl: yea, the theory is that in people with severe allergies, tapeworms keep their overactive immune systems busy so it doesn't attack the person (causing alllergies)
20:24 rhcl         Ah, just feed 'em a few extra strips of bacon every morning.
20:21 pianohacker  "Tapeworms - for a slimmer, more attractive you!"
20:21 rhcl         Yea, well, I read an article a while back about a few worms in your intestines being good for you-boosts your immune system or something.
20:20 pianohacker  yeah
20:20 wizzyrea1    (big 'ol can of worms in some circles)
20:19 wizzyrea1    if you're down with the whole vaccine thing
20:19 wizzyrea1    yea, they vaccinate for that now
20:19 pianohacker  I have a couple of dents in my face from a horrible chickenpox infection when I was younger
20:19 pianohacker  Gah, chickenpox
20:18 rhcl         I'd never heard of chickenpox parties either.
20:18 wizzyrea1    but cripes.
20:18 wizzyrea1    and I kind of see their logic
20:18 wizzyrea1    it did actually occur to me, a la chickenpox parties
20:18 rhcl         sed s/think/thing
20:18 rhcl         Stupidest idea I can think of, and I never had thought of such a think until I read that article today.
20:17 wizzyrea1    one might argue that sending your child to daycare is as good as the same thing
20:17 pianohacker  That's horrifying
20:17 wizzyrea1    Ha, no
20:17 rhcl         http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i-VB_9IP5TEVmozh2Ua58D_6miqQ
20:16 rhcl         Are you having a flu party?
20:16 wizzyrea1    flu*
20:16 wizzyrea1    lol, hopefully the normal flue
20:16 pianohacker  Do you know what's wrong?
20:16 pianohacker  ouch, sorry
20:15 wizzyrea1    i blame it on proximity to whining children (home with a sick kid today)
20:15 wizzyrea1    idk why I did that
20:14 rhcl         I think rhcl and ryan are different. :) RHCL = Rolling Hills Consolidated Library, i.e. "Me" - Greg
20:08 wizzyrea1    runs and hides
20:08 wizzyrea1    yes... actually
20:07 gmcharlt     wizzyrea1: ryan, you mean?
20:07 wizzyrea1    was a good day :)
20:07 wizzyrea1    several things, tracked down our holds bugs, fixed our amazon problem (with gmcharlt)
19:58 pianohacker  wizzyrea1: what'd he do?
19:55 wizzyrea1    rhcl: you made us so happy today
19:42 chris        especially when they mouth off during the haka
19:42 chris        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWgLLEBUPLQ <--- there is always a lot of feeling when we play australia
19:38 brendan      geez keep us updated chris -- about the nutjob..  not the nutjob's playing rugby
19:37 chris        should be a good game, first time we have played them since we beat them in the world cup last year (huge upset ..we beat australia in rugby union a lot, they almost always beat us in league)
19:37 chris        but im gonna have to look at this story all day .. so on to less depressing things nz vs australia in rugby league tonight
19:34 chris        (not on routine patrol anyway)
19:34 chris        our police don't carry guns
19:33 gmcharlt     :(
19:33 chris        (ex territorial soldier ... like your guys national guard)
19:32 chris        they have the nutjub who did it surrounded, but he still has a gun
19:32 wizzyrea1    wow, and lol
19:32 atz          NZ is not known for violent crime... outside of rugby and soccer
19:32 chris        yep, so 150 years or somehting
19:32 wizzyrea1    as in, since policing started in nz?
19:31 chris        yeah
19:31 wizzyrea1    ever?
19:31 chris        the 29th policeman ever killed in the line of duty was killed yesterday
19:30 chris        yeah, especially as we are having our biggest news day in a long time here
19:29 brendan      chris - not to good if that is popping up in NZ
19:28 brendan      from the local santa barbara paper...  at the bottom there is a link to look at the fire live.
19:27 brendan      http://www.independent.com/news/2009/may/07/jesusita-fire-turns-tragic-without-warning/
19:27 brendan      the winds are supposed to pick up at 2pm -- an hour and half from now....
19:26 chris        brendan: youve made the news in NZ now http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/2393153/California-wildfire-destroys-homes
19:03 wizzyrea1    but if you want mountains you *are* out of luck
19:02 wizzyrea1    my part of kansas isnt flat :P
18:57 brendan      wizzyrea1 kansas is a little too flat for me.
18:56 brendan      thanks gmcharlt
18:49 wizzyrea1    brendan: you should come to kansas, only tornadoes here
17:59 gmcharlt     though good sign that your sense of humor is intact :)
17:59 gmcharlt     brendan: best wishes to you - sorry that you're caught in the middle of this
17:51 pianohacker  how ghoulish :)
17:50 brendan      I know wrong time for a joke... but I couldn't resist
17:50 brendan      hey atz pianohacker -- you're welcome to stop by and roast some hotdogs
17:14 brendan      the 101 is closed through the center of town...  atleast all the exits are
17:13 atz          total insanity
17:13 brendan      last night I saw flames that were about 100 feet high
17:13 atz          "Fire is now over this section of road.  Do not attempt passage!"
17:13 brendan      I'm out towards the airport,  ucsb
17:12 atz          when there were actual hotpoint and emergency notices like
17:12 atz          it's not as good as the ones from last year
17:12 brendan      yup atz that's the map
17:12 pianohacker  atz++
17:07 atz          http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=100866907082629170478.0004693715dcc08efaa8c&ll=34.449387,-119.776039&spn=0.127401,0.205994&z=12&source=embed
17:06 pianohacker  erosion control is a biggie
17:05 pianohacker  Yeah, I've seen the amount of work they have to do here in CO after a major forest fire
17:01 brendan      definitely going to join the reforestation groups once this done
17:00 brendan      almost getting ready to join the volunteer groups or fire department - i used to be trained as a fire fighter
16:59 brendan      she's still got school going on...
16:59 pianohacker  Good, nice to know she's safe
16:59 brendan      yes.
16:55 pianohacker  Is your fianceé at your house?
16:54 brendan      I'm still upwind, but I have more friends staying at my house
16:54 brendan      gust up to 60mph
16:54 brendan      there are predictions of really high sun-downer winds tonight
16:54 pianohacker  Wow
16:53 brendan      1300 acres now, homes burning
16:53 brendan      more bad news from my area...  The local fires have gotten worse
16:53 pianohacker  How are the fires?
16:53 pianohacker  Morning brendan
16:53 brendan      Good morning #koha
15:52 hdl_laptop   thx gmcharlt
15:07 gmcharlt     hdl_laptop: http://blogs.liblime.com/developers/2009/05/07/initial-302-candidate-reading-for-testing/
14:58 gmcharlt     hdl_laptop: no problem
14:57 hdl_laptop   gmcharlt: thx for your suggestion
13:49 hdl_laptop   I agree.
13:49 hdl_laptop   giving my email could be ok then.
13:49 hdl_laptop   testing only and bug report.
13:49 gmcharlt     if it just for temporary testing of changes before merging into the main repo's 3.0.x branch
13:49 hdl_laptop   or should I send a message with my email ? and say spam me if you find any bug ?
13:48 gmcharlt     what is the purpose of this tree?
13:48 hdl_laptop   Or should we add it in koha 3.0.X_stable ?
13:48 hdl_laptop   gmcharlt: can we add a product koha-maintenance to bugzilla ? so that ppl can report all the bugs on that product directly.