Time  Nick        Message
11:21 paul_p      hi gmcharlt.
11:21 gmcharlt    paul_p: good news
09:11 chris       you can probaly ammend the commits to get the authors back
09:10 chris       http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/ch05.html
09:07 paul_p      chris: ++ :D
09:07 chris       with cvs it would be 600+ conflicts :)
09:07 paul_p      hi nicomo
09:07 paul_p      only problem with this : mason & john have disappeared as authors, it seems i'm the only author of all the patches...
09:07 nicomo      hi paul_p
09:07 chris       thats not bad
09:06 paul_p      (I merged the 300+ patches into 67 more comprehensible ones, then git-format-patch, then git-am on head. With something like 20 merge conflicts for the 67 patches)
09:04 chris       so the message isnt quite right
09:04 chris       altho 010 isnt actually octal
09:01 chris       yep that one is ok, the first one was just some refactoring
09:01 paul_p      (the 2nd one)
09:01 paul_p      to 010 => 10 is correct isn't it ?
09:00 chris       not sure the patch will be accepted
09:00 chris       yep
08:59 paul_p      (Colin Campbell)
08:59 paul_p      chris: yep.
08:59 paul_p      hey, a new commiter from ptfs-europe !
08:59 chris       back from the library?
08:59 chris       hi paul_p :)
08:58 hdl_laptop  what is your registered user btw ?
08:58 paul_p      hi kiwis !
08:58 hdl_laptop  it is because your registered user was masonj
08:56 mason       ;) ..
08:56 chris       ahh
08:56 mason       a typo , i think..
08:56 chris       mason is banned??
08:53 mason       just checked, yep...
08:53 hdl_laptop  are you still banned from biblibre ?
08:53 mason       heya henri
08:52 mason       im about to head to the adelaide, and watch some friends bands...
08:52 hdl_laptop  hi mason
08:51 mason       heya chris
08:25 chris       evening
23:35 pianohacker chris: cool
23:35 chris       human readable, and machine parsable
23:35 chris       pianohacker: i like it
23:34 chris       heh, noticed galen referenced brenda's blog, she sits round the corner from me, small world
23:32 pianohacker devs: any thoughts on the new pref format? (A few pages back)
21:23 chris       heh :)
21:23 Sharon      Chris - I'll be sure to tell her.  We share an office, so I've been listening to your musical recommendations, too
21:22 chris       wizzyrea has created a monster by showing me grooveshark
21:21 chris       for anyone who wants to listen to what im listening too while im hacking away on koha :)
21:21 chris       http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/playlist/Koha_Hacking/8190140
21:14 ryan        hdl_laptop: ok, thx.  gn!
21:13 chris       sleep well hdl_laptop
21:13 hdl_laptop  going to bed now.
21:12 hdl_laptop  will send that soon.
21:12 hdl_laptop  file a bug.
21:12 gmcharlt    ryan: no pending patch that I'm aware of
21:11 ryan        hdl_laptop: / gmcharlt : is there a patch queued to replace 'dontmerge' syspref with MergeAuthoritiesOnUpdate as in commit 92890557  or shall i file a bug ?
20:47 gmcharlt    hi chris
20:47 chris       and everyone else :)
20:46 chris       morning richard
20:43 pianohacker woops, bbl, library trip
20:43 pianohacker richard: mornin'
20:43 richard     morning
20:40 pianohacker Incomplete experiment in representing the pref tabs in YAML (not implemented): http://weaverhome.rlogin.org:8080/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/preferences/patrons.pref
20:24 jwagner     Great, thanks much.  Gonna sign off now (brain is too fried to keep up with things).  That's going to solve one problem, though.
20:24 atz         yes
20:24 jwagner     So items.onloan should match issues.date_due, correct?
20:23 atz         update items.onloan based on issues.date_due
20:22 jwagner     Yes, but what do I tell the DBA needs to be done?
20:21 atz         no, that can be done by your DBA
20:21 jwagner     Hmmm.  Is there a patch or a routine to do the data massage?  We have a lot of old data that's confusing people.
20:17 atz         and it will, for data created after the patch
20:16 jwagner     Yes, but the goal is to have the hitlist & the record display show the same date.
20:12 atz         jwagner: the date will still exist in two places, even if you don't see it.
20:02 jwagner     Wouldn't it be preferable to have the two pages use the same source for date?  Then we wouldn't need to massage data.
20:01 wizzyrea    massage *the data manually
20:01 wizzyrea    you'd probably have to massage to get retroactive results
20:01 wizzyrea    yea, a patch would be for data going forward
19:58 atz         the patch doesn't  fix your data
19:35 jwagner     I saw that one in bugzilla, but couldn't tell details.  That patch is loaded on one of the systems where I'm seeing problems, but the dates are still off.
19:31 gmcharlt    jwagner: patch pushed for 3049 addresses part of it
19:20 jwagner     Someone has sent a patch already?
19:19 gmcharlt    there's a fix keep item.onloan and issues.date_due in better sync
19:19 jwagner     That's what I thought, looking at the dates that show in the catalog.  I looked at Search.pm but it's beyond my Perl skill level.  Do you know if anyone is working on a fix?  I remember this coming up very recently on the list.
19:14 gmcharlt    issues.date_due is going to be more accurate
19:14 gmcharlt    jwagner: the  discrepancy is a problem, of course
18:46 jwagner     I asked on the koha-dev list the other day but didn't get an answer.  The staff hitlist is pulling duedate from a different place than the staff record details page.  I know there was discussion a while back on this.  As near as we can tell, the hitlist is getting the variable from Search.pm, which seems to be the original due date (item.onloan).  The details page is getting the variable from Items.pm, which is pulling the date from issues.date_due.  Is
18:37 Sharon      Great! Thank you.
18:37 ryan        Sharon: yes.  After 10pm PDT.
18:26 Sharon      liblimers - Is NExpress still onto receive updates tonight? I'm sending out a warning email to our members and want to be accurate...
17:00 wizzyrea    bbiaw
17:00 wizzyrea    will think about it over lunch, hee
16:59 wizzyrea    dk what I did differently
16:59 wizzyrea    9cf52836bd1829825254b5db9ec5277d3a9ec6ed shows root@liz-koha.etc
16:59 wizzyrea    04a5bec30a006b8f33ece34fcf806bc52f8828da looks right
16:58 gmcharlt    when you do a git log, which email address shows up as the patch author?
16:58 gmcharlt    :)
16:58 wizzyrea    is ok. all learning. :)
16:58 wizzyrea    k, I will take a look. It's weird because the first went through and was correct, but the 2nd wasn't. :(
16:55 gmcharlt    wizzyrea: http://coffee.geek.nz/how-change-author-git.html , though I suggest testing carefully
16:52 wizzyrea    erg, I set my email address but it's still coming through wrong in my submissions
16:42 luisb       and how motivated I am to get this migration done asap ;)
16:41 gmcharlt    :)
16:41 luisb       I guess I meant it makes sense what my problem is :P
16:40 luisb       haha
16:39 luisb       makes sense
16:39 luisb       ahh
16:39 gmcharlt    ' ' means MARC-8 (or Latin-1, or whatever random encoding somebody decided to use - one of the things that can make MARC record processing troublesome)
16:39 luisb       and ' '?
16:38 gmcharlt    'a' means UTF8
16:36 luisb       er, utf8
16:35 luisb       'a' means marc21, yes?
16:35 luisb       So, if the LEADR 009 is ' ' (a space), that tells the reader that the records are in ... which format?
16:34 gmcharlt    you're welcome
16:32 luisb       awesome, thank you sir-
16:32 luisb       I planned on running our export through MarcEdit since I had success doing that to get data from our current db into koha
16:31 gmcharlt    luisb: just one
16:31 luisb       gmcharlt: do you mean to use yaz-marcdump and MarcEdit together, or pick one of those?
16:30 luisb       so now I get to fix it :P
16:30 luisb       (i don't know why he was converting to latin1; doesn't make sense to me)
16:30 luisb       While we work to migrate to koha, I need to keep our current operation running, which fails at times, I assume because the previous programmer's perl script bombs when trying to convert to latin1
16:27 luisb       Marc > marcxml, then marcxml > marc21
16:27 luisb       I had to use marc edit to successfully import a batch of records into koha...
16:26 gmcharlt    and Koha is capable of importing MARC-8 records and converting them to UTF-8, which it uses internally
16:26 pianohacker Mornin', liz
16:26 luisb       I see
16:26 wizzyrea    mornin pianohacker
16:26 gmcharlt    yaz-marcdump, MarcEdit
16:26 wizzyrea    (I knew gmcharlt would come to the rescue)
16:26 gmcharlt    there a couple tools available to convert MARC-8 encoded records to UTF-8
16:26 luisb       a previous programmer seemed to attempt to convert the data exported to Latin1 (ISO-8859-1)
16:25 gmcharlt    luisb: MARC-8 is a character encoding - MARC21 is the record format
16:25 luisb       Basically, the problem is our proprietary db cannot export in utf8
16:25 wizzyrea    owen: ha!
16:24 wizzyrea    gmcharlt I'm with you on that one
16:24 luisb       Our bibrecords are stored in a database which can be exported to MARC8.  At first I was told this was a char set, then I thought it was purely a data format, but the Library of Congress seems to call MARC-8 a character set agin.
16:24 gmcharlt    does libraryspeak belong on an OPAC anyway?
16:24 owen        English major, hunh? I thought you folks were supposed to be unemployed because of your lack of real-world skills, kind of like art majors like me
16:24 wizzyrea    just didn't know if there was some specific library related libraryspeak reason to have it that way. I couldn't think of one but thought maybe there was a reason for it
16:23 wizzyrea    bitchin. I'll do it
16:23 owen        Sounds good to me wizzyrea
16:23 wizzyrea    and I'm an english major, it annoys me (and the ppls in my office)
16:23 wizzyrea    since it's a preference to search by itype or ccode
16:23 wizzyrea    aside: I'm thinking of a change to the advanced search page of the opac, changing the verbiage from "Limit type to: match any of the following:" to "Limit to any of the following"
16:21 luisb       Lemme 'splain:
16:21 luisb       I just started a position here and the learning curve of how things work here to learn enough to migrate to koha, coupled with misuse of terminology is very steep.
16:20 luisb       Hi all, I am looking for some clarification between character encoding (e.g. Unicode), character set (e.g. utf8) and data format (e.g. marc21):
15:39 kf          off home now - till monday :) bye #koha!
15:38 wizzyrea    (lol)
15:38 wizzyrea    oh thank heavens, I was worried I had offended somebody
15:37 kf          hope I will so I can fix my bugs myself one day :)
15:37 kf          listening to you talking about git makes me a little bit jealous - did not figure that out yet
15:36 kf          in Germany <thumbs up> is ok ;)
15:14 wizzyrea    <thumbs up>
15:11 soul9       well, off home, have a good workers-day all
15:09 soul9       jwagner, i think it's logic, then you either branch before commiting, or stash your local changes, branch, then commit your stash to the branch you want to
15:09 atz         yeah, otherwise it's effectively a sub-branch
15:08 owen        Otherwise the new branch you create is *supposed* to include the changes you've just committed.
15:08 jwagner     atz, that's what I've been doing to clean things out.  owen, it's quite likely I've missed adding that "origin" at the end -- I'll have to make sure to add that.
15:06 owen        jwagner: Are you sure you're specifying "origin?" "checkout -b my-new-branch origin"
15:06 wizzyrea    I think atz's method is probably a good approach
15:05 atz         jwagner: periodically I just reclone to get a clean start
15:04 jwagner     But they're carried over even if I DO commit.  Sigh.  I'm doomed to be haunted by the ghosts of patches past :-)  Fortunately I don't do that much stuff and I can clean things out manually if I need to.
15:02 owen        A relevant quote: ""$ git checkout master" to return to your original work. Observe that any uncommitted changes are carried over.
15:02 wizzyrea    (not that nerd isn't perfectly acceptable... <dig> <dig> <dig>)
15:01 wizzyrea    erm, non-nerd
15:01 wizzyrea    is not perfect but is at least kind of english
15:00 jwagner     Thanks wizzyrea.  I'll take a look.
14:59 wizzyrea    jwagner: this may help you (helped me some) http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/ch01.html
14:02 jwagner     OK, that's a new command.  I'll give that a try next time.  Gotta run for a conf call right now.  Thanks!
14:02 hdl_laptop  git branch --track newbranch remotes/origin/master
14:02 jwagner     I always do a git checkout master to come out of the first branch, then create a new branch from there.  Sigh.
14:01 hdl_laptop  then you have to tell it to git
14:01 hdl_laptop  if you branch whe you have commited, your new branch will branch on top of your commit.
14:01 jwagner     But I don't WANT it in my head (or even my HEAD)!!!  I want it to stay off in it's nice little separate branch and let me go work on other stuff in peace!
14:00 hdl_laptop  if you commit you make the thing come into your dev HEAD
14:00 hdl_laptop  it is very logic
14:00 hdl_laptop  hehe...
13:55 jwagner     I think git is the unholy kind of magic myself :-(  Even when I did a commit, and created a new branch, the changes from the commit are there in the new branch.
13:00 hdl_laptop  ;)
13:00 hdl_laptop  it is the magic of git the more you learn the more you git
12:57 jwagner     No -- I didn't think I was supposed to commit until I was done.  Usually I'll work on something for a while but not finish, then go work on something else.
12:56 owen        jwagner: Are you committing before switching branches?
12:50 jwagner     owen, so far I've just been building one thing at a time & sending it off.  I thought the whole purpose of branches was to keep work isolated, though.  When I've been working on something in one branch, and then go check out another branch, those files follow me around!  And get in the way of what I'd like to do in the second branch.  Sigh.
12:36 owen        jwagner: I like that you can get stuff done with git without knowing that many commands. You can build slowly as you find the need to do more things
12:17 jwagner     Amit, is there life outside Koha?  I'm not sure at the moment....  I'm still trying to figure out git.  I've learned a few basic commands, but am pretty lost outside those.
12:15 Amit        jwagner: i have set a git in my office
12:15 Amit        how is life
12:15 Amit        ok