Time Nick Message 12:10 chris morning 12:11 paul_p morning chris ! 12:11 chris hi paul, sleep well? 12:12 paul_p chris: yep. time to go to bathroom, then lunch now (nahuel still sleeping) 12:14 chris yep shower for me then breakfast 12:17 kf good morning texas :) 12:41 slef davi yoyo 12:42 davi hi slef 12:42 davi restarting X 12:42 davi sorry 12:42 slef np 12:43 slef just wondered if all was well in the state of davi 12:43 davi hardware sucks :P First mainboard, now ATI graphic driver :P 12:43 slef amen! 12:56 chris morning gmcharlt 13:00 chris morning gmcharlt :) 13:00 eiro hello all 13:00 gmcharlt hi chris 13:00 gmcharlt hi eiro 13:00 gmcharlt still getting myself situated this morning 13:00 chris sleep well gmcharlt ? 13:00 chris hi eiro :) 13:01 eiro perl question: sub x { my $foo = qr{foo|bar}; /$foo/ }; x;x;x;x 13:01 eiro is $foo compiled 4 times ? 13:02 chris hmm good question, i don't know off the top of my head 13:02 eiro i tried perl -O=Concise -e 'sub x { my $foo = qr{foo|bar}; /$foo/ }; x;x;x;x' but i have to admit that i didn't understood :) 13:02 eiro that's why i want to use a closure. 13:04 jdavidb Mornin', gmcharlt, nahuel. 13:04 gmcharlt hi jdavidb 13:06 chris hi jdavidb 13:06 eiro m//o to compile only once ( from perlop ) 13:06 chris ahh of course 13:07 nahuel hi :) 13:08 eiro i remeber this modifier but i thought it was deprecated for a while ... at least in the while (<>) { say if /foo/ } case 13:11 slef Oracle buying Sun (Sun bought MySQL a while ago IIRC). slashdot linked to oracle.com which now says "Content Server Request Failed. Server is too busy to handle request." to me. 13:11 slef http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/20/128246 13:12 chris yep time to ressurect the postgres work (which i was planning to anyway) 13:12 chris of course using DBI::Class would make the move easier too 13:14 eiro did you choose an orm ? 13:15 chris not yet, the idea is people to do some prototyping 13:16 jdavidb SAP has modified MaxDB's "community" license to not be very open; I was hoping to play with that as an alternative to MySQL, but it doesn't seem very likely I will. 13:16 slef is orm 4.0 stuff? 13:16 chris yes 13:16 chris eiro: until we can find a clear winner 13:17 hdl_laptop chris: still in TX ? 13:17 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 13:18 eiro i played with lot of and have my idea on the best one ... but moose is required to i think we can't use it as long as koha use CGI mode 13:18 chris yes, hdl_laptop i am eating breakfast with paul and nahuel 13:18 eiro but i feel i'm alone to be affraid of CGIs, so ... 13:19 chris well i am typing and they are eating :) 13:19 chris we also discussed mod_perl 13:19 chris i think we need some prototypes/proof of concepts 13:21 chris eiro: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=devweekendprogram 13:22 chris tried to take notes, but was busy talking also 13:22 eiro :) 13:27 hdl_laptop chris: is DBI::Class better choice than DBIx::Class ? 13:27 hdl_laptop has there been any tests on that ? 13:28 chris sorry DBIx::Class 13:29 chris seems to be the current winner 13:29 hdl_laptop mmm so typo on the wiki. 13:47 chris ok coffee time :) 13:47 nicomo nahuel : entered bug 3144 (recaptcha) 13:57 slef commented on kohabug 3144 suggesting anti-spam instead of recaptcha 13:59 nicomo slef: reCaptach does have substitute for the visually impaired 13:59 nicomo see http://recaptcha.net/ 14:00 slef nicomo: as a visually-impaired person, I tell you it doesn't work. 14:00 slef the substitute is a hearing test, isn't it? 14:00 slef hearing tests have a higher failure rate than eyetests 14:01 slef and then you get people like me who also both impaired eyesight and hearing 14:01 slef so please use anti-spam before resorting to ability discrimination 14:02 nicomo slef come on I'm not "resorting to ability discrimination" 14:02 nicomo I was merely suggesting a solution 14:03 nicomo but what i'm perfectly happy with you edit 14:03 nicomo and to tell you the truth couldn't care less which solution we end up using 14:03 slef thanks... I think too many web devs reach for recaptcha when they want antispam 14:03 nicomo as long as it provides the functionality 14:04 nicomo yes they do 14:04 nicomo for good reasons 14:04 slef because they don't realise that eyetests and hearing tests are ability discrimination 14:04 nicomo i do realize this 14:04 slef no, because it's easier 14:04 slef it's lazy 14:04 nicomo yes, eh eh that was my point 14:04 slef it's anti-social and unjust 14:04 nicomo ease and lazyness are "good" reasons 14:05 jdavidb Naah...assume cluelessness, not malice. I get that all the time, with my mobility issues. 14:05 slef they should not override non-discrimination 14:05 nicomo jdavidb: ++ 14:06 slef jdavidb: I try to. BTW, google use a wheelchair by their eyetests to offer a hearing test instead... bizarre. 14:06 jdavidb People don't think about problems that don't relate to them pretty directly, much of the time, unless they're paid to do so, or have a passion for that sort of thing--and the vast majority don't. 14:06 nicomo jdavidb: not that easy 14:06 slef I spotted a good captcha bug yesterday: "Human test: is this website red or green?" 14:07 nicomo because for instance recatpcha *claims* to have solutions for the impaired 14:07 jdavidb Clearly, someone didn't think about color-blindness, slef... 14:07 slef nicomo: I think, last I checked, if you actually go into the research papers from recaptcha, they admit that impaired access is an unsolved problem. 14:08 slef nicomo: but that seems to be missing from the headlines 14:08 jdavidb nicomo: sure...they assume good-faith on the part of recaptcha, and it might even have been built in good faith as an attempt to have a solution... but the attempt fails, apparently. 14:08 nicomo yes it does, indeed 14:08 slef recaptcha has made me think that CMU may be evil 14:19 hdl_laptop slef: are you talking about french CMU ? 14:20 liz_nekls chairman wow... monday morning cage fight GO 14:20 slef hdl_laptop: no, cmu.edu 14:21 slef liz_nekls: ? 14:21 slef hdl_laptop: cmu.edu are the org behind recaptcha.net IIRC 14:22 liz_nekls just surprised to walk into such a debate so early (well, early for me anyway) on a monday 14:23 slef hdl_laptop: frenchies are among the leading captcha-debunkers IIRC. http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/PWNtcha was published in France 14:23 slef liz_nekls: ah, it's mid-afternoon here. I've had Monday morning avalanche already. 14:27 liz_nekls hee 14:32 gmcharlt back on channel - hopefully wifi won't keep bouncing up and down here 14:32 slef gmcharlt: you and davi ... it's yoyoday. 14:37 elwell /ignore #koha JOINS PARTS QUITS works for me :-) 14:53 slef et tu, brendan? 14:57 chris back 15:06 chris we have taken over the breakfast room 15:06 chris all you can hear is the sound of the cleaner mopping, and typing 15:07 jdavidb That meeting room was just a bit crowded and stuffy on Saturday; I was thinking of the breakfast room, at one point. 15:08 chris yeah there is a bit more space .. yesterday was about the right amount of people for the meeting room 15:09 jdavidb If a couple of people want to go off in a corner to hack on something (as I saw atz doing on Saturday), there really wasn't quite enough room for that in the board room. Breakfast room would be ample for that. 15:14 chris this is true 15:14 chris lots of power points also 15:16 slef blah - PTFS ran a seminar last Friday almost within line-of-sight of my office - now I'm getting to hear about it :( 15:17 slef I'm in a deep blue funk. I think I'll buy stuff online to alleviate it ;-) 15:18 jdavidb Good idea! 15:28 slef that didn't work. I'll try moving some money around instead 15:28 jdavidb slef: If moving some my way would make you feel better, that can be arranged! ;-) 15:43 liz_nekls_ can someone tell me if http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=cae7a7cccfdce1413f0be545948a840b7951b9d4 was supposed to work across all dropdowns that list branches? 15:43 liz_nekls_ or just certain ones? 15:45 hdl_laptop it seems it is dealing with only ones. 15:45 hdl_laptop liz_nekls_: I think I sent a patch for other pages. 15:46 liz_nekls_ link? if you have a moment? 15:47 gmcharlt liz_nekls_: it's part of the way, but not all the way 15:47 liz_nekls_ k, we found an instance in the cataloging where that same fix will need to be applied 15:48 gmcharlt that plus the patch that hdl_laptop is talking about should fix the problem 15:48 gmcharlt liz_nekls_: 2664? 15:49 liz_nekls_ that, and additionally they are sorted nonsensically (name vs. code) 15:51 liz_nekls_ i added that to the bug, gmcharlt 16:03 chris morning schuster 16:03 atz http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-reset.html 16:03 caj thanks 16:10 liz_nekls_ chris: you still in the states? 16:12 chris yep, its 4.12am at home :) i leave tomorrow 16:12 liz_nekls_ Ooh 16:13 liz_nekls_ so are you getting on home-time? 16:14 chris not yet, maximising my time left with the developers, i hope it wont be 3 years again until im with paul again, but just in case, making the most of it :) 16:14 liz_nekls_ hehe good idea 16:29 chris hi sekjal 16:30 sekjal hello. 17:00 schuster Paul and Chris still online? 17:00 chris yes 17:00 slef chris was 17:00 slef hehe 17:00 schuster Have you all done lunch or what are your plans? 17:01 chris ahh no plans as of yet 17:01 schuster OK didn't want to drive over and nobody there... are you all planning to work more this afternoon? 17:03 schuster I'll head that way then see you in say 15? 17:04 chris yeah, those of us who are left, galen, joe and cory have to drop the rental car back by 3.30 17:04 chris but there will be 5 of us left 17:04 chris sounds good 17:04 schuster ok see you shortly. 17:40 caj see everybody from the airport - if wireless works 19:08 chris and then there were 5 19:15 jdavidb Hi, paul_p! :) It was great meeting you at KohaCon! 21:08 liz_nekls is very quiet 21:53 liz_nekls I am SO SAD that owen is not here right now 21:58 liz_nekls does anybody know... if you have custom templates will the intranetuserjs work? 21:58 liz_nekls (as in, you have templates not in the prog directory) 22:03 chris and then there were 5 22:03 chris hmm up arrow fail 22:07 chris liz_nekls: not sure, can u try it and see? 22:19 Headiee hi, by any change someone using the libki system? 22:19 Headiee chance 22:19 Headiee or luck 22:19 Headiee :) 22:31 Sharon liz-nekls went home, but she left excited about intranetuserjs 22:32 Headiee ok, cause i almost have it running 22:32 Headiee but not quite yet 22:57 nahuel http://kohakenya.wordpress.com 22:59 chris cool 23:00 Sharon wordpress rocks almost as much as koha 23:00 chris :) 23:04 nahuel but 23:04 nahuel quiet strange we didn't heard about them before 23:04 chris ahh i have heard of them before 23:04 nahuel they have some koha installations 23:04 nahuel ah ok 23:04 nahuel didn't know 23:04 nahuel :) 23:04 nahuel chris, i'm walking over your hears :) 23:05 nahuel ears 23:05 chris http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2008/10/17/two-more-koha-users-groups/ 23:06 chris but it is not unusual to find new groups 23:06 nahuel yep 23:06 nahuel but it's strange they're not taking part of the "official" project 23:06 nahuel and keep inside of their network 23:07 chris lots are doing that, koha-taiwan etc, i think we want to add a page to the koha.org site listing user groups 23:07 chris and encourage them to keep in touch 23:09 Sharon Chris I'm a notorious note taker 23:10 nahuel chris++ 23:10 chris you are invited to all my meetings then :) 23:10 Sharon Just finished a HUGE post for our member libraries about 60+ patches we just got 23:10 chris awesome, about the post and the 60+ patches 23:12 Sharon took 4 of us 6 hours to go through them all for testing and so Liz could explain what template changes she had to make 23:13 chris thats a lot of patches 23:14 chris http://www.flickr.com/photos/wizzyrea/3447477286/ <-- still one of my fave photos in the ones tagged kohacon09 23:16 Sharon they look like ants! We were with Kathryn that day, so I think she took some pics, too. 23:18 chris cool, im so glad she managed to get her camera back 23:19 Sharon well, it's 6 here, so I'm going home. Safe journeys. 00:43 pianohacker hello 03:07 chris hello pianohacker :) 03:18 pianohacker Ah, hello ! 03:19 pianohacker If you're still awake, no, in northern texas 03:19 pianohacker Will finish drive tomorrow 03:19 pianohacker What have you been up to? 03:20 Amit hi chris, mason 03:21 pianohacker hi, amit 03:21 Amit hi pianohacker 03:24 chris pianohacker: shopping mostly, and a little bit of hacking 03:24 chris not many of us left, and we all fly out tomorrow 03:24 pianohacker Yeah 03:25 pianohacker Have you and paul found the requested items for your wives? :) 03:25 chris i think paul didnt find a watch he liked, but i have all mine :) 03:25 Amit hi chris 03:25 pianohacker Hah, should be safe to return home then 03:26 chris yep :) 03:28 chris right time for some sleep, so i dont fall asleep in the airport somewhere and miss a flight 03:29 chris cya in a couple of days 03:32 pianohacker Sorry, system crash 04:41 Amit hi greenmang0 04:41 greenmang0 Amit: 04:41 Amit yes 04:54 pianohacker Good night, all. 10:46 Amit hi any one configure pazpar2?