Time Nick Message 12:05 christian bonjour 12:06 christian bonjour 13:06 cait2 good morning galen 13:07 gmcharlt hi cait2 - how are you? 13:07 cait2 fine, thx. following git you were busy yesterday - enjoy watching it :) 13:09 slef hi all 13:10 cait2 hi slef 13:10 slef is this getting used much for the dev sessions? 13:11 chris a bit slef 13:14 slef "This Account Has Been Suspended" http://librariansmatter.com/blog/ 13:16 chris yeah, bluehost is having issues 13:16 davi hi 13:16 chris and kathryn is near you now, well nearer, in london 13:16 slef coo. For long? 13:18 chris i think only a few days 13:19 slef shame... I'm pretty booked again :( 13:21 gmcharlt hi slef 13:24 gmcharlt hackfest: pushed patches for 2336, 2363, 1731 - thanks paul_p 13:24 gmcharlt hackfest: pushed another patch for 1545 - thanks chris 13:24 gmcharlt hackfest: pushed OPAC focus CSS patch - thanks owen 13:49 gmcharlt hackfest: pushed patches for 3102, 2338, 3136 14:07 gmcharlt tips and tricks being discussed at dev meeting 14:08 gmcharlt nengard is taking notes and will post later, but some highlights 14:08 gmcharlt * chris; running 'git gc' as part of creating a branch makes switching to branches to faster 14:08 gmcharlt * screen (atz via kados and chris) 14:09 gmcharlt * useful FireFox extensions for Koha development 14:09 gmcharlt hackfast: pushed patches for bugs 3138 and 3139 - thanks nengard 14:14 chris http://betterthangrep.com/ 14:14 chris (ack ... which i use more than grep) 14:37 nengard http://blogs.liblime.com/developers/2009/04/19/tips-tricks-from-koha-developers/ 14:37 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=devweekendprogram 14:37 chris please edit and add things to this 14:47 chris hello kansas :) 14:56 liz_nekls_ hiyas! 14:58 liz_nekls_ o lol not talking to me 15:00 chris hehe actually i was, just got distractied 15:01 pianohacker fickle 15:02 chris heh 15:02 chris hey liz_nekls_ :) we just finished a bugzilla session 15:02 gmcharlt hi liz_nekls_ 15:03 liz_nekls_ i figured y'all were busy. Sad I missed it. 15:03 liz_nekls_ :D 15:03 liz_nekls_ (oi, still speaking texan) 15:04 Sharon_ good morning 15:04 nengard morning 15:05 nengard did you two see bug 1545 :) the fixes are awesome!!!! 15:05 liz_nekls_ i know! I saw that it was done, of course we won't see it for a while on our system 15:05 liz_nekls_ but OMG so awesome 15:06 liz_nekls_ will save us so much time 15:06 liz_nekls_ SQUEEE! 15:06 chris heh 15:06 nengard liz_nekls_ just nag ryan and gmcharlt :) hehe maybe they can get it to you in the next batch of fixes 15:06 Sharon_ I second Liz's squee 15:07 liz_nekls_ >.> they love it when we nag 15:09 Sharon_ have fun all...and safe journeys to anyone traveling today/tomorrow. 15:09 pianohacker Sharon_: Thanks 15:09 pianohacker gmcharlt: Do you know much about the itemcallnumber syspref? Seems like an ancestor of kohalink 15:10 liz_nekls_ i think 3102 was one that I had fixed special in our templates, so thank brendan for me 15:10 liz_nekls_ will further lead us toward the goal of (and this will make ppl here happy) no custom templates 15:11 brendan heya liz_nekls_ 15:12 liz_nekls_ oh hai! 15:15 nengard Zotero bug I mentioned: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2432 would love to see this fixed 15:27 nahuel for me this one 15:28 nahuel nengard, zotero doesn't work in xsl ? 15:31 nengard nahuel - nope ... 15:32 nengard nahuel see here: http://nce.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=725 there is no zotero icon in the address bar 15:32 nengard and I have XSL on 15:36 nahuel ok 15:49 nengard just submitted my second template patch :) a little nerve-racking since it's so new to me 15:54 nengard looking at pianohacker's new way of handling system preference definitions!! Love it!! 15:55 slef nengard: can we see it? 15:55 nengard slef -- not sure -- i can take pictures 15:56 slef nengard: thanks. Did I miss a post or were there no kohacon streams or recordings? 15:56 nengard slef they did record the talks - but I don't think they're uploaded anywhere yet 15:56 chris there were video camera's in most (if not all) sessions 15:57 chris s/\'//; 15:57 nengard there were some blog posts and twitter and other aggregators of the conference 15:57 nengard i posted one 15:57 slef I've seen some slideshares, blogs and microblogs 15:57 slef which were pretty interesting 15:57 slef but I've been spoiled by the debian and apache conferences I guess ;) 15:57 nengard slef - here's my stuff: http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/archives/category/kohacon 15:57 nengard gonna upload the image now 15:58 slef tyvm 15:59 nengard http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/3455415425/ not sure if it does it justice, but it's a sneak peak 16:00 slef ah, it gets rid of the "Edit" step? 16:00 slef that would be good 16:00 liz_nekls_ 16:00 liz_nekls_ did you see the notes at lyb 16:00 slef is there one big "Save" button at the end? 16:00 liz_nekls_ did you see the notes at lybrarian.wordpress.com 16:00 slef I've seen very little about this yet 16:01 liz_nekls_ lol, kiddo says hi 16:01 nengard slef no save button - i missed how it saves 16:01 nengard also the text is all in a file instead of the DB - so you can edit it 16:01 danny yes, slef there is one big Save All button at the end, i saw it 16:01 nengard thanks danny 16:01 slef looking now... sysprefs are one of the hardest things for librarians IME, so I get a bit worried by changes to it 16:01 nengard slef he also grouped them 16:01 liz_nekls_ ooh, pianohacker was busy 16:01 nengard you can't see it on this page 16:01 nengard on this image i should say 16:02 nengard when he's done talking he might be able to tell you more :) 16:03 slef (reading notes) RFID and EDI only in 3.4? We've RFID running in a basic form in 3.0 and we're working on EDI although publishers are a bottleneck so probably 3.4 is about right for that. 16:04 nengard slef which notes said that? 16:05 nengard about RFID? 16:05 slef http://lybrarian.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/kohacon09-and-koha-32/ 16:05 gmcharlt slef: yeah, RFID (particularly qua SIP2) is already there - look forward to your patches as well 16:06 slef gmcharlt: when at least one of our new workers is in, I should have time to sync up to 3.0 branch and submit patches 16:06 gmcharlt slef: cool 16:06 slef gmcharlt: I assume we're OK using Danish model until the ISO standard settles? 16:07 slef (I think 3M, 2CQR and TagStar all use it) 16:07 gmcharlt slef: yes 16:07 slef cool 16:11 paul_p nengard: privacy works, except I've a question I want to deal with you. Let's do it after discussion about authorities 16:12 nengard paul_p okay 16:20 nahuel nengard, does it exists an marc21 test database that I can download ? 16:20 nengard nahuel, i'm not sure - does anyone else know? 16:27 pianohacker Back, had to restart after demo (curse you, X11) 16:32 nahuel pianohacker, xrandr++ 16:33 pianohacker Ubuntu 8.10 has support for xrandr. Something is wonky with my setup, I believe, since I had to restart to enable multiple screens but not to disable them 16:34 pianohacker Jaunty++, really :) 16:36 nahuel pianohacker, well I have 8.10 and no problem with xrandr 16:36 nahuel my xorg.conf is really simple 16:36 nahuel http://pastebin.com/f6711c2a8 16:40 nengard okay - i'm a bit confused about branches - when can I delete branches? I've created a branch before each patch I submitted ... but now what? 16:40 pianohacker liz_nekls_: Hello again 16:40 nengard oh - my question is about git 16:40 nengard not library branches :) 16:40 pianohacker nengard: Probably after the patch has been accepted 16:40 liz_nekls_ hello, took a moment away for a video conference with the s 16:40 nengard pianohacker okey dokey! 16:40 liz_nekls_ spud's grandparents 16:41 pianohacker liz_nekls_: Very nice 16:41 nahuel nengard, you should always use the same git branch 16:41 nahuel not a branch by patch 16:41 nahuel and then to update 16:41 nahuel git fetch && git rebase master 16:42 nahuel and if some local patches as been pushed to master, they will "disapear" from local patches 16:43 pianohacker nahuel: Multiple branches are nice to make sure that you don't have interdependent patches; database updates in particular have this problem 16:44 nahuel well, it isn't easy to manage to much branches 16:44 pianohacker It also helps anyone who follows your repo; a rebase will break git pull and require git fetch; git reset --hard origin 16:44 pianohacker Oh, most definitely 16:44 pianohacker But a few are nice 16:44 nahuel git pull is bad for development branches 16:44 nahuel or you should use git pull --rebase 16:44 nengard I think I might need to talk to someone face to face about this at a later date 16:45 pianohacker well... :) 16:46 nengard lunch time might be a good time 16:46 nengard :) 18:00 chris back from lunch 18:00 danny me too 18:04 nahuel too 18:16 pianohacker Unless anyone objects, I'm going to move some prefs around. There is no reason for RoutingSerials (which _appears_ to add more information to items created by serialsadditems) to be on the Cataloguing tab 18:20 gmcharlt that's fine 19:43 schuster Great blog entries about the conference... 19:47 chris schuster: are you doing up a nice page of links? :) 19:47 nahuel does kohanews bot can report new twitter entries ? 19:52 schuster chris - we are working on putting a page together to link to the wiki... - nahuel - don't know... 19:54 atz FRBR diagram from code4lib... http://www.frbr.org/files/frbr-er-diagram-5.png 19:54 chris schuster: awesome 19:55 schuster chris will need your help with all the presentation links/files - I would like to put them on the program page you created if possible. Still trying to figure out where we may "post" the videos of the presentations when ready... 19:56 chris i wonder if we could make a channel on youtube? 19:56 schuster youtube limits to 10 minutes... 19:56 chris ahh, hmmm 19:56 schuster I'm going to check to see if we can use my district streaming server.... 19:56 chris sweet 19:57 schuster If we can't we may have to check google video or if another library has a streaming server they would allow us to post them on. 19:57 chris yeah, might have to do a call out on the list 19:57 schuster Yep. 19:58 chris and yep we can do links from the program, gmcharlt linked his presentation in already 20:00 schuster So we will need to post them somewhere else and link? or can we upload docs? 20:01 schuster ok thanks... Nice to have you in close proximity...;) 20:09 danny does veoh allow you to upload videos that are longer then 10 min? 20:14 danny oh google video says no duration or size limit 20:14 schuster Yep that was why we were looking at google video... 20:32 slef blip.tv works well IME - checking limits now 20:34 slef limit 1GB 20:35 slef discriminates against the visually-impaired but looks pretty reasonable otherwise 20:44 mcpuddin Hello, I am new to Koha and am looking into it for an application for a rural school system in Honduras, anyone there to help me answer some initial questions about it? 20:46 mcpuddin 1) Is there any information in the docs about barcodes and scanners? 20:46 mcpuddin 2) Are there any standard templates out there? Especially ones in Spanish? 20:48 nahuel mcpuddin, there is a full spanish(spain) translation 20:48 nahuel mcpuddin, what do you want to know about scanners/barcodes ? 20:49 mcpuddin where can I get those translated templates? 20:49 nahuel did you get koha source kohe ? 20:49 nahuel code 20:49 mcpuddin I am currently running the debian vm image 20:50 nahuel in the directory : misc/translator/ 20:50 nahuel you have the script which translates 20:50 nahuel and the translation files 20:50 nahuel which generates the templates files 20:50 nahuel don't know the vm image 20:51 mcpuddin it was linked on the site, http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha/koha-virtual-appliance/ 20:51 mcpuddin to install templates, do I follow the instructions in here ? http://www.kohadocs.org/KOHAtranslation/translation.html 20:51 schuster Scanners are input devices so there is no specific recommendation. 20:52 mcpuddin gotcha, so the scanners would interface with browser itself? 20:53 schuster Yes just like the keyboard as if you typed it. 20:53 schuster Either through USB connection or a keyboard splitter. 20:54 mcpuddin makes complete sense, so the scanner is then completely independent of KOHA 20:54 mcpuddin thanks schuster =) 20:54 schuster Yes 20:55 nahuel for the translation i think you should follow those instructions 20:55 mcpuddin in re: templates, my default install looks like it has no template on there, I haven't found so much documentation on templates, but do I need to download or make my own "skin"? 20:56 nahuel mcpuddin, look at the example in misc/translator/rebuild_lang.sh 20:58 mcpuddin haha thats where things are hiding 20:58 mcpuddin i'll give this a whirl and see what comes of it, thanks nahuel 21:06 nahuel ok 21:11 mcpuddin alright, so here is where i'm at.. (i'm running KOHA 3 btw): The templates are located in koha-tmpl/[template_name]-tmpl 21:12 mcpuddin The themes i see are intranet-tmpl and opac-tmpl (which are 2 different themes i can skin koha with), yes? 21:14 mcpuddin (this is where I am confused), in order to switch between either of those themes i need to create a new parameter in my system_preferences called tempalte with the appropriate theme_name 21:17 mcpuddin and once I find the them I want, I run the translation script to turn it into spanish 21:17 mcpuddin am I headed in the right direciton? 21:43 nahuel mcpuddin, non 21:44 nahuel intranet-tmpl are the "intranet templates" 21:44 nahuel and opac-tmpl the opac templates 21:44 nahuel the themes might contain a intranet-tmpl and a opac-tmpl directory 21:44 nahuel hhmmm 21:44 nahuel no scuse :) 21:44 nahuel i'm wrong 21:44 nahuel in intranet-tmpl you have the "prog" template 21:45 nahuel heu prog "theme" 21:46 mcpuddin so there are 2 different types of themes then, one for the intranet (which is like admin area) and one for the opac (which is everyone elses area) 21:47 nahuel exactly 21:47 nahuel :) 21:48 mcpuddin so lets say I were to download a new intranet template 21:48 mcpuddin i would put it in the koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl folder 21:48 nahuel ? 21:49 nahuel there is only one intranet template as i know 21:49 mcpuddin are there more OPAC ones? 21:50 nahuel no :) 21:50 nahuel it's too complicated to maintain 21:50 nahuel else, with xsl template it should be easier 21:51 mcpuddin ah, so people just customize the existing tempaltes to fit their needs? 21:51 nahuel hmm 21:51 nahuel no 21:51 nahuel they uses the sysprefs for headers/footer/etc.. 21:51 nahuel which includes code 21:51 caj mcpuddin: it becomes hard to upgrade or maintain 21:52 nahuel http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=160 21:52 nahuel mcpuddin, you can take a look to this url 21:52 nahuel owen leonard did some tutorial 21:52 mcpuddin haha 21:52 mcpuddin wow that'll probably answer all my questions by just reading the title of it 21:53 nahuel :) 21:53 mcpuddin thanks again guys for being very helpful =) 21:53 nahuel you're welcome :) 22:31 caj what's the best way to roll back a commit? 22:31 nahuel git reset ? 22:31 caj works for me thanks 23:30 pianohacker dev meeting mostly over 03:32 Amit hi brendan, chris, mason morning 03:35 mason heya amit 03:35 Amit mason: how the weekend 03:38 brendan hey amit 03:39 brendan hey mason 03:41 chris hey brenda, amit 03:41 Amit hi chris 03:42 chris brendan even 03:42 brendan thanks chris 03:43 chris :) in new mexico now? 03:44 brendan yes - 640 miles today! 03:46 chris yikes 03:48 brendan not to bad -- I had some red bull !!! - plus a bunch of koha thoughts to motivate me! 03:48 chris hehe 03:49 chris only a few of us left for tomorrow now, and most are heading out tomorrow 03:50 brendan dev's meeting still going on tomorrow -- or time for vacation! 03:52 chris some hacking tomorrow, but informal 03:52 chris im gonna do some relaxing for at least half the day 03:52 chris i saw a target that i wanna check out 03:56 brendan later chris -- going to have some fun myself 03:56 chris cool 03:59 mason heya brendan too :) 03:59 mason amit, good weekend thanks 05:11 Amit hi greenmang0 05:12 greenmang0 Amit: morning 05:57 eiro hello koha people 06:05 Amit hi eiro 07:49 Amit chris: http://www.newdelhinews.net/story/487886 08:57 Amit hi kf 09:35 kf hi A 09:35 kf mit