Time  Nick        Message
11:56 tajoli      But I leave because is too early in Texas
11:55 tajoli      I'm tring to use IRC as first time
09:02 Samuray     hi
04:38 nahuel      see ya
04:35 chris       yep me too, cya in the morning
04:35 nahuel      too tired
04:35 nahuel      :)
04:35 brendan     good night nahuel chris and all others
04:35 nahuel      I'm going to sleeeep
04:34 nahuel      and good night others
04:34 nahuel      see you tomorow
04:34 nahuel      good night brendan
04:34 nahuel      ahah
04:34 brendan     thanks
04:34 nahuel      well you're driving well
04:34 nahuel      ahah
04:33 brendan     that's because you have to take the test in french ;)
04:33 nahuel      harder than in usa to obtain
04:33 nahuel      yes but in france the licence is a little bit hard
04:33 brendan     the roads are so big and straight here
04:33 nahuel      hahaha
04:33 brendan     I could teach you to drive in a few hours nahuel
04:33 nahuel      before you leave
04:33 nahuel      see you tomorow so ?
04:33 nahuel      well :) good night brendan
04:32 chris       good night
04:32 brendan     ok -- good night all
04:32 nahuel      but i have not my licence :p
04:32 brendan     I love to travel, so I agree
04:32 brendan     cool
04:32 nahuel      travel all over the time
04:32 nahuel      I would do the same :)
04:32 nahuel      you're lucky
04:32 brendan     looking for birds too.
04:32 nahuel      cool :)
04:31 brendan     visit a friend - and go hiking
04:31 nahuel      just for fun ?
04:31 brendan     so basically I'm traveling to another country
04:31 nahuel      what will you do there ?
04:31 brendan     texas is probably as big as france
04:31 nahuel      aaaah ok
04:31 brendan     to the west of here
04:30 brendan     new mexico -- the state next to texas
04:30 nahuel      you're going to mexico ?
04:30 nahuel      ah
04:30 brendan     tomorrow around noon (12:00)
04:30 nahuel      brendan, when are you leaving ?
04:30 brendan     that's seems pretty obvious now
04:29 brendan     oh course
04:29 chris       it means discussion/talking in maori
04:29 brendan     chris what is Korerorero ?
04:28 nahuel      there is another one people :)
04:28 nahuel      you're wrong :)
04:28 chris       http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2009/04/19/librarians-developers-steaks-baseball-and-good-friends/
04:27 nahuel      huhu
04:27 chris       heh
04:27 brendan     ah -- nothing is better than live baseball
04:27 nahuel      chris, you've still tomorow
04:27 nahuel      héhé
04:27 nahuel      :)
04:27 nahuel      like yesterday night
04:27 chris       darn, sounds like i picked the wrong night to go shopping
04:27 nahuel      and the evening was pretty cool
04:26 nahuel      me too
04:26 brendan     one of the best steaks I've ever had
04:26 nahuel      one
04:26 nahuel      a really great
04:26 chris       hey brendan
04:26 nahuel      yes
04:26 brendan     hey chris
04:26 brendan     it was a good dinner, nahuel
04:26 nahuel      but really really really good
04:26 nahuel      it was expensive
04:26 chris       excellent
04:25 nahuel      in a great steack house in dallas
04:25 nahuel      And it was the better steack I didn't eat for a long time
04:25 chris       ohh cool, where did you go?
04:25 nahuel      I think it was the best dinner I had in texas !
04:25 chris       in my room
04:25 nahuel      where are you ?
04:25 nahuel      hey
04:25 nahuel      chris, !
04:25 chris       evening nahuel, good dinner?
01:19 chris       back from dinner
23:17 brendan     Ok will do thanks gmcharlt
23:17 gmcharlt    brendan: go ahead and send a patch using "Location" - note that I've already pushed your first 3102 patch
22:27 pianohacker definitely dinnertime
22:26 owen        dev weekend day 1 winding down... time to find dinner!
21:33 brendan     I also vote for location over localization
21:33 brendan     gmcharlt on patch 3102 -- should I use your recommendation from bugzilla instead of the patch I sent before...  This deals with "localization" compared to "location"
21:22 gmcharlt    pushed patch for 3102 - thanks brendan
21:10 gmcharlt    pushed patch for bug 946 - thanks paul_p
21:06 brendan     chris that works, thanks
21:05 chris       in bugzilla mine is "all open bugs"
21:05 chris       so you can save that
21:04 chris       i just make a saved search of http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Koha&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&deadlinefrom=&deadlineto=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidty
21:02 brendan     may have missed that...
21:02 brendan     anybody know of a quick way to show a list of all the bugs in bugzilla
20:45 gmcharlt    pushed patch to batchRepairMissingBiblionumbers - thanks nahuel
20:22 gmcharlt    pushed patch for 3132 - thanks owen
20:20 gmcharlt    pushed patch for bug 1545 - thanks chris
20:18 gmcharlt    pushed fix for bug 918 - thanks paul_p
20:18 gmcharlt    pushed fix for bug 908 - thanks paul_p
20:02 jdavidb     Hi, liz_nekls!
20:00 nahuel      non-open webapps are bad :p
20:00 nahuel      :)
19:57 pianohacker Remember reading about that, thanks :)
19:56 nahuel      it uses : http://laconi.ca/
19:56 nahuel      pianohacker, http://identi.ca/ open source twitter like :)
19:54 pianohacker (notwitter) Working on the systempreferences editor once again for the KohaCon hackfest
19:53 nengard     hackfest is beginning
19:37 jdavidb     dev meeting restarting:  gmcharlt is wrapping up the git discussion.  Hackfest to follow, I think.
17:55 caj         tabs rawk
17:31 jdavidb     owen:  sounds like a plan.
17:30 owen        I'm going to leave it out, and leave it up to the person who puts it back in to solve the problem of how to offer different relationship choices to C and P patrons
17:29 jdavidb     owen:  right.  if they have the same borrow privs, it might be useful, but not crucial, prolly.  If they have different borrow privs, it'll be moot.
17:28 nahuel      the use interface will be rewrite
17:28 nahuel      for the moment it's just a "proof of concept"
17:28 owen        jdavidb: Yeah, I was thinking about a similar possibility, like the difference in a university between faculty and staff
17:28 nahuel      for information, some people of biblibre are playing with python doing a marc editor, for the moment is just a work in progress project, which enable only to read the marcxml and iso2709 files, but it'll be able to modify/write records, url is : https://launchpad.net/pymarcedit
17:27 jdavidb     owen, even....  sheesh.
17:26 jdavidb     owne:  I would think that's pretty intuitive, but not necessarily a *given.*  Consider the case of a federal employee vs contractor.  See them in the hall (or at the circ desk) and it would not be obvious.  If it was important, though, they'd be creating different patron categories.
17:25 owen        Or is the relationship between professional patron and organization understood?
17:24 owen        Looking at Bug 3132: When adding a guarantor for a professional patron should we show the "relationship" choice? This has to be the same for Professionals and Child patrons, so they'd be very different options
17:06 chris       :)
17:04 jdavidb     don't, even.
17:04 paul_p      lol: @all = "you know you're a geek when you chat with someone in the same room as you :D"
17:04 jdavidb     pianohacker:  no, I don
17:04 jdavidb     paul_p:  very much so.  snag me at a break and come play with it.  Insert yourself as a patron or something; there's nothing in there right now.
17:03 pianohacker Do you happen to have a toaster?
17:03 pianohacker Quite nice
17:03 paul_p      jdavidb: and it's fast enough to be useable ? wow, I never thought it could work !
17:00 jdavidb     nengard, chris:  got koha running on the EEE with Easy Peasy 1.0 (Ubuntu Intrepid, on a diet)  very much faster than the thumb drive VM
16:57 nahuel      http://laconi.ca/trac/ <= open source twitter like (it's better to be independant from third parts :))
16:55 nahuel      should I ?
16:55 nahuel      didn't
16:55 nahuel      paul_p, no I don't add the shelves comments
16:54 paul_p      nahuel: didn't you do something about : http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=813 ?
16:34 nengard     jdavidb: awesomeness
16:34 jdavidb     nengard:  remember how dead-slow my Eee was yesterday?   been working on it--much better, and Koha is making on it right now.
16:33 jdavidb     nengard:  with pleasure.
16:20 nengard     jdavidb - procede with picking on me
16:20 nengard     I'm back :)
16:20 nengard     oops - how did I close this?
16:06 nicomo      hi paul_p
16:06 paul_p      hi nicomo
16:04 chris       too much talking
16:04 chris       hehe yes
15:59 nicomo      that you're coughing in TX saturday what? 11am?
15:59 nicomo      (sad tell of the internet that i know here and now (saturday 6pm france)
15:58 nicomo      how's the coughing?
15:58 nicomo      hi chris
15:58 chris       hi nicomo
15:38 nahuel      not because the language is easy
15:38 nahuel      caj, because it's easy to set up in shared hosting
15:36 jdavidb     As a side note to the browser-compat discussion, has there been much attention at all to accessibility?    I suspect the OPAC would only marginally pass current section 508 requirements.
15:30 caj         php made it easy for bad coders to code web apps... hence more crackable php sites in general
15:12 eiro        nahuel, sure! but only in a kept alive env ... so not in CGI
15:12 nahuel      :)
15:11 eiro        sharing mysql pools is one of the part that are now used by every langages
15:11 nahuel      and any other language
15:11 nahuel      in java
15:11 nahuel      in python
15:11 nahuel      you can do the same in perl
15:10 nahuel      it was only bad php devs
15:10 nahuel      ahah
15:10 chris       of course those some php programmers used global variables and all got hacked, so we dont want to do that part of copying php :-)
15:09 eiro        2009: koha still does it!
15:09 eiro        it's time consumming create an complete env for a CGI. that's one of the reason php bet perl in late 1990: because lot for perl programmers continues to use cgis as php when php can bytecode the sources and share mysql pools between requets
15:07 eiro        no maintained env. no bytecoded
15:06 nahuel      (and a lot of other stuffs)
15:06 nahuel      it's done for this
15:06 nahuel      :)
15:06 nahuel      of course
15:06 nahuel      yep
15:06 eiro        we're bad on dealing with sessions and MVC frameworks does it well
15:05 eiro        that's the only part of the pb!
15:05 nahuel      too much js and external files
15:05 nahuel      too much sql requests
15:05 nahuel      too much session deals
15:05 nahuel      :)
15:05 nahuel      eiro, don't think it's cgi
15:04 nahuel      hehe
15:04 eiro        cya all and good coding party
15:04 eiro        so ... WE for me ...
15:03 eiro        C . G . I .
15:03 eiro        "koha is slow" ? guess why ? 3 letters ...
15:02 eiro        the first important and big step for me would be to try to port koha to a MVC framework in order to deal with a modern way to communicate with a httpd
15:02 nahuel      "just do it :)"
15:02 nahuel      :)
15:01 eiro        i did ... lot of times :)
15:01 nahuel      give your point of view!
15:00 nahuel      tsss
15:00 eiro        but do what you want: i don't give a shit anymore :->
15:00 nahuel      tss
15:00 eiro        no ... we're not :)
15:00 nahuel      we're agree :)
14:59 nahuel      use
14:59 nahuel      we must une an orm :)
14:59 nahuel      well :)
14:59 eiro        please see that the fact to use mysql_lastid everywhere in the code makes the things painfull to port to another dbms
14:59 nahuel      s/number/count/
14:59 nahuel      but the problem is the architecture, not the number of lines
14:58 nahuel      of course :)
14:58 nahuel      the number of lines is not the big problem
14:58 eiro        it's very important for one reason: as we centralize the access in some libs , we can debug anywhere
14:58 nahuel      (my point of view:) )
14:58 nahuel      and easy to do
14:57 nahuel      just be working
14:57 nahuel      oh i think this is not important :) mr oneliner :)
14:57 eiro        lines of codes
14:57 nahuel      LOC ?
14:57 eiro        (it's not as easy to use as an ORM but it drops tons of LOC)
14:56 eiro        gmcharlt didn't want it but i use it for my own usage and i love it
14:55 eiro        and SQHelp is the helper i initially wrote for koha to let us time to choose the way to abstract persistance
14:55 nahuel      but what's sqhelp ?
14:54 nahuel      :)
14:54 nahuel      ho ok
14:54 eiro        s/in/for
14:54 eiro        no: the article in wich i explained why ORMs sucks in koha
14:53 nahuel      it's an orm example ?
14:53 nahuel      what's this eiro ?
14:53 nahuel      heu
14:52 eiro        http://www.tinybox.net/content/happy-about-sqhelp
14:52 eiro        (for koha at least)
14:52 nahuel      let's go for this
14:52 nahuel      ok
14:52 gmcharlt    nahuel: I suggest RenewDueDateMethod (or RenewDueDateBasis)
14:51 eiro        adn definilty: KiokuDB beats every (perl)? orm !
14:51 eiro        concider Mouse or Coat instead
14:50 eiro        the pb with koha is the CGI mode! please don't choose moose as long as we can't do without it
14:50 nahuel      if we use "today" or "datedue"
14:50 nahuel      gmcharlt, about the renew calculation
14:50 eiro        that was the slides i used
14:49 gmcharlt    eiro: he gave me a summary
14:49 nahuel      eiro, <nahuel_> RenewCalculation?
14:49 eiro        http://descartes.biblibre.com/koha_future.pdf
14:49 gmcharlt    nahuel: which syspref?
14:49 eiro        i played with lot of them (did Joe told you about you discution in providence ?)
14:48 nahuel      gmcharlt, are you agree with my syspref name ?
14:48 nahuel      gmcharlt++
14:48 nahuel      :)
14:48 gmcharlt    but we'd need to decide which framework to use
14:48 nahuel      Keep It Simple and Stupid
14:48 nahuel      paul_p means : KISS concept :)
14:48 gmcharlt    Moose is an example
14:48 nahuel      hi eiro !
14:48 gmcharlt    does need more discussion
14:48 gmcharlt    there's a growing consensus that an OO framework would be useful
14:47 gmcharlt    far from decided
14:47 gmcharlt    hi eiro it's being considered
14:47 eiro        is Moose entering in koha ? (galen talked about a OO framework)
14:46 eiro        hello guies ...
14:39 nahuel_     RenewCalculation?
14:39 nahuel_     which can be the name about the different ways to calculate renews ?
14:34 nahuel_     chris, great !
14:31 pianohacker Context is probably the lesser of two mishmashes
14:30 nahuel_     well there is the "preference()" function
14:30 gmcharlt    yeah, I meant C4::Context
14:30 nahuel_     pianohacker, it's seems to be great in C4::Context...
14:30 gmcharlt    sysprefs are a good place to try out an OO framework
14:30 gmcharlt    pianohacker: or C4::Koha
14:29 gmcharlt    hi cait
14:24 cait        :)
14:23 pianohacker morning cait
14:23 cait        good morning
14:22 nahuel_     hi hi
14:18 gmcharlt    hi brendan
14:17 chris       hey brendan
14:16 brendan     Goodmoring #koha and dev's
14:08 pianohacker brb breakfast
14:06 jdavidb     (except you, nengard.  you have to pay attention.)
14:03 gmcharlt    paul_p is now giving an introduction to Koha's structure for new developers
14:03 gmcharlt    atz (Joe Atzberger) arrived
14:03 Sharon_     Howdy Owen, an hour delay, but was home by midnight
14:02 owen        Hey Sharon_, get home okay?
14:02 jdavidb     unless someone else wants to, natch.  :)
14:01 jdavidb     I got it, caj.
14:00 caj         can someone familiar with Koha take over notes... I'd like to concentrate on this part
13:58 caj         thd volunteered pual_p to present
13:58 caj         -- into to koha hacking and submitting patches
13:57 caj         bug severity & priority
13:56 caj         git
13:56 caj         intro to hacking koha
13:56 caj         tips&tricks
13:56 caj         decision process for patch conflict resolution
13:55 caj         Proposed topics...
13:52 caj         gmcharlt (Galen Charlton)
13:52 gmcharlt    BWS Johnson
13:49 gmcharlt    owen (Owen Leonard)
13:48 gmcharlt    Agnes
13:48 gmcharlt    LibDave (thanks and apologies)
13:48 caj         Goldfein
13:48 LibDave     is Dave Goldfein (with correct spelling)
13:48 gmcharlt    Dave Goldfind (sp?)
13:45 gmcharlt    jdavid (David Bavousett)
13:45 gmcharlt    jwagner (Jane Wagner)
13:44 gmcharlt    paul_p (Paul Poulain)
13:44 gmcharlt    pianohacker (Jesse Weaver)
13:43 gmcharlt    Cory Jaeger
13:43 gmcharlt    danny (Danny Bouman)
13:43 gmcharlt    owen: very clever
13:43 nengard     owen we'll come back to you :)
13:42 owen        Did you see how I skipped introduction there ? ;)
13:42 gmcharlt    chris (Chris Cormack)
13:42 gmcharlt    nengard (Nicole Engard)
13:41 gmcharlt    thd (Thomas Dukleth)
13:41 gmcharlt    people here
13:41 gmcharlt    starting introductions
13:39 k12linux    Coffee is in the back of the room
13:39 owen        I'm more likely to be jumping up... as soon as the coffee arrives
13:38 nengard     jdavidb: thanks for the tip :)
13:38 jdavidb     nengard: If you get out of that fluffy chair, owen is liable to take it.  Better watch him close.  ;-)
13:33 chris       morning
13:29 nengard     adding more chairs to the meeting for for dev meeting :)
13:23 k12linux    First notable quote of the day, "Oh come on computer!"
13:19 k12linux    :)
13:19 k12linux    the KohaCon 2009 developer meeting has begun
13:18 k12linux    'mornin
13:14 gmcharlt    good morning
13:08 nengard     good morning #koha
12:53 nahuel_     see ya
12:53 cait        see you later then
12:53 cait         :)
12:52 nahuel_     well it's the breakfast time
12:52 nahuel_     I think yes
12:51 cait        hope they will get online soon, but I think everybody will need a little time to recover :)
12:50 nahuel_     you should ask to david for records
12:50 cait         :)
12:50 cait        nice to hear that
12:50 nahuel_     I think it was
12:49 cait        and I still hope the session was recorded
12:49 cait        i have to try that
12:49 nahuel_     I think you can ask paul and soul9 some more informations
12:49 nahuel_     ahah
12:48 cait        followed twitter and flickr and blogs... really wanted to get some info about new acq - but heard only that its awesome...  :)
12:48 nahuel_     Me too :)
12:48 nahuel_     hehe
12:48 cait        hope I can be at kohacon next year
12:48 cait        sitting on couch and waiting for texas to wake up ;)
12:47 nahuel_     what about you?
12:46 cait        g
12:46 nahuel_     but funny
12:46 nahuel_     (and strange:p)
12:45 nahuel_     really interesting
12:45 cait        how was the baseball game?
12:45 cait         :)
12:45 nahuel_     after yesterday night alcohol :p
12:45 nahuel_     Well before we need some big breakfast
12:45 cait        dev weekend starts now?
12:45 nahuel_     hi cait
12:45 cait        hi nahuel
12:44 nahuel_     it's time to wake uuup !
12:44 nahuel_     wake up all !