Time Nick Message 12:44 nahuel_ wake up all ! 12:44 nahuel_ it's time to wake uuup ! 12:45 cait hi nahuel 12:45 nahuel_ hi cait 12:45 cait dev weekend starts now? 12:45 nahuel_ Well before we need some big breakfast 12:45 nahuel_ after yesterday night alcohol :p 12:45 cait :) 12:45 cait how was the baseball game? 12:45 nahuel_ really interesting 12:46 nahuel_ (and strange:p) 12:46 nahuel_ but funny 12:46 cait g 12:47 nahuel_ what about you? 12:48 cait sitting on couch and waiting for texas to wake up ;) 12:48 cait hope I can be at kohacon next year 12:48 nahuel_ hehe 12:48 nahuel_ Me too :) 12:48 cait followed twitter and flickr and blogs... really wanted to get some info about new acq - but heard only that its awesome... :) 12:49 nahuel_ ahah 12:49 nahuel_ I think you can ask paul and soul9 some more informations 12:49 cait i have to try that 12:49 cait and I still hope the session was recorded 12:50 nahuel_ I think it was 12:50 cait nice to hear that 12:50 cait :) 12:50 nahuel_ you should ask to david for records 12:51 cait hope they will get online soon, but I think everybody will need a little time to recover :) 12:52 nahuel_ I think yes 12:52 nahuel_ well it's the breakfast time 12:53 cait :) 12:53 cait see you later then 12:53 nahuel_ see ya 13:08 nengard good morning #koha 13:14 gmcharlt good morning 13:18 k12linux 'mornin 13:19 k12linux the KohaCon 2009 developer meeting has begun 13:19 k12linux :) 13:23 k12linux First notable quote of the day, "Oh come on computer!" 13:29 nengard adding more chairs to the meeting for for dev meeting :) 13:33 chris morning 13:38 jdavidb nengard: If you get out of that fluffy chair, owen is liable to take it. Better watch him close. ;-) 13:38 nengard jdavidb: thanks for the tip :) 13:39 owen I'm more likely to be jumping up... as soon as the coffee arrives 13:39 k12linux Coffee is in the back of the room 13:41 gmcharlt starting introductions 13:41 gmcharlt people here 13:41 gmcharlt thd (Thomas Dukleth) 13:42 gmcharlt nengard (Nicole Engard) 13:42 gmcharlt chris (Chris Cormack) 13:42 owen Did you see how I skipped introduction there ? ;) 13:43 nengard owen we'll come back to you :) 13:43 gmcharlt owen: very clever 13:43 gmcharlt danny (Danny Bouman) 13:43 gmcharlt Cory Jaeger 13:44 gmcharlt pianohacker (Jesse Weaver) 13:44 gmcharlt paul_p (Paul Poulain) 13:45 gmcharlt jwagner (Jane Wagner) 13:45 gmcharlt jdavid (David Bavousett) 13:48 gmcharlt Dave Goldfind (sp?) 13:48 LibDave is Dave Goldfein (with correct spelling) 13:48 caj Goldfein 13:48 gmcharlt LibDave (thanks and apologies) 13:48 gmcharlt Agnes 13:49 gmcharlt owen (Owen Leonard) 13:52 gmcharlt BWS Johnson 13:52 caj gmcharlt (Galen Charlton) 13:55 caj Proposed topics... 13:56 caj decision process for patch conflict resolution 13:56 caj tips&tricks 13:56 caj intro to hacking koha 13:56 caj git 13:57 caj bug severity & priority 13:58 caj -- into to koha hacking and submitting patches 13:58 caj thd volunteered pual_p to present 14:00 caj can someone familiar with Koha take over notes... I'd like to concentrate on this part 14:01 jdavidb I got it, caj. 14:02 jdavidb unless someone else wants to, natch. :) 14:02 owen Hey Sharon_, get home okay? 14:03 Sharon_ Howdy Owen, an hour delay, but was home by midnight 14:03 gmcharlt atz (Joe Atzberger) arrived 14:03 gmcharlt paul_p is now giving an introduction to Koha's structure for new developers 14:06 jdavidb (except you, nengard. you have to pay attention.) 14:08 pianohacker brb breakfast 14:16 brendan Goodmoring #koha and dev's 14:17 chris hey brendan 14:18 gmcharlt hi brendan 14:22 nahuel_ hi hi 14:23 cait good morning 14:23 pianohacker morning cait 14:24 cait :) 14:29 gmcharlt hi cait 14:30 gmcharlt pianohacker: or C4::Koha 14:30 gmcharlt sysprefs are a good place to try out an OO framework 14:30 nahuel_ pianohacker, it's seems to be great in C4::Context... 14:30 gmcharlt yeah, I meant C4::Context 14:30 nahuel_ well there is the "preference()" function 14:31 pianohacker Context is probably the lesser of two mishmashes 14:34 nahuel_ chris, great ! 14:39 nahuel_ which can be the name about the different ways to calculate renews ? 14:39 nahuel_ RenewCalculation? 14:46 eiro hello guies ... 14:47 eiro is Moose entering in koha ? (galen talked about a OO framework) 14:47 gmcharlt hi eiro it's being considered 14:47 gmcharlt far from decided 14:48 gmcharlt there's a growing consensus that an OO framework would be useful 14:48 gmcharlt does need more discussion 14:48 nahuel hi eiro ! 14:48 gmcharlt Moose is an example 14:48 nahuel paul_p means : KISS concept :) 14:48 nahuel Keep It Simple and Stupid 14:48 gmcharlt but we'd need to decide which framework to use 14:48 nahuel :) 14:48 nahuel gmcharlt++ 14:48 nahuel gmcharlt, are you agree with my syspref name ? 14:49 eiro i played with lot of them (did Joe told you about you discution in providence ?) 14:49 gmcharlt nahuel: which syspref? 14:49 eiro http://descartes.biblibre.com/koha_future.pdf 14:49 nahuel eiro, <nahuel_> RenewCalculation? 14:49 gmcharlt eiro: he gave me a summary 14:50 eiro that was the slides i used 14:50 nahuel gmcharlt, about the renew calculation 14:50 nahuel if we use "today" or "datedue" 14:50 eiro the pb with koha is the CGI mode! please don't choose moose as long as we can't do without it 14:51 eiro concider Mouse or Coat instead 14:51 eiro adn definilty: KiokuDB beats every (perl)? orm ! 14:52 gmcharlt nahuel: I suggest RenewDueDateMethod (or RenewDueDateBasis) 14:52 nahuel ok 14:52 nahuel let's go for this 14:52 eiro (for koha at least) 14:52 eiro http://www.tinybox.net/content/happy-about-sqhelp 14:53 nahuel heu 14:53 nahuel what's this eiro ? 14:53 nahuel it's an orm example ? 14:54 eiro no: the article in wich i explained why ORMs sucks in koha 14:54 eiro s/in/for 14:54 nahuel ho ok 14:54 nahuel :) 14:55 nahuel but what's sqhelp ? 14:55 eiro and SQHelp is the helper i initially wrote for koha to let us time to choose the way to abstract persistance 14:56 eiro gmcharlt didn't want it but i use it for my own usage and i love it 14:57 eiro (it's not as easy to use as an ORM but it drops tons of LOC) 14:57 nahuel LOC ? 14:57 eiro lines of codes 14:57 nahuel oh i think this is not important :) mr oneliner :) 14:57 nahuel just be working 14:58 nahuel and easy to do 14:58 nahuel (my point of view:) ) 14:58 eiro it's very important for one reason: as we centralize the access in some libs , we can debug anywhere 14:58 nahuel the number of lines is not the big problem 14:58 nahuel of course :) 14:59 nahuel but the problem is the architecture, not the number of lines 14:59 nahuel s/number/count/ 14:59 eiro please see that the fact to use mysql_lastid everywhere in the code makes the things painfull to port to another dbms 14:59 nahuel well :) 14:59 nahuel we must une an orm :) 14:59 nahuel use 15:00 nahuel we're agree :) 15:00 eiro no ... we're not :) 15:00 nahuel tss 15:00 eiro but do what you want: i don't give a shit anymore :-> 15:00 nahuel tsss 15:01 nahuel give your point of view! 15:01 eiro i did ... lot of times :) 15:02 nahuel :) 15:02 nahuel "just do it :)" 15:02 eiro the first important and big step for me would be to try to port koha to a MVC framework in order to deal with a modern way to communicate with a httpd 15:03 eiro "koha is slow" ? guess why ? 3 letters ... 15:03 eiro C . G . I . 15:04 eiro so ... WE for me ... 15:04 eiro cya all and good coding party 15:04 nahuel hehe 15:05 nahuel eiro, don't think it's cgi 15:05 nahuel :) 15:05 nahuel too much session deals 15:05 nahuel too much sql requests 15:05 nahuel too much js and external files 15:05 eiro that's the only part of the pb! 15:06 eiro we're bad on dealing with sessions and MVC frameworks does it well 15:06 nahuel yep 15:06 nahuel of course 15:06 nahuel :) 15:06 nahuel it's done for this 15:06 nahuel (and a lot of other stuffs) 15:07 eiro no maintained env. no bytecoded 15:09 eiro it's time consumming create an complete env for a CGI. that's one of the reason php bet perl in late 1990: because lot for perl programmers continues to use cgis as php when php can bytecode the sources and share mysql pools between requets 15:09 eiro 2009: koha still does it! 15:10 chris of course those some php programmers used global variables and all got hacked, so we dont want to do that part of copying php :-) 15:10 nahuel ahah 15:10 nahuel it was only bad php devs 15:11 nahuel you can do the same in perl 15:11 nahuel in python 15:11 nahuel in java 15:11 nahuel and any other language 15:11 eiro sharing mysql pools is one of the part that are now used by every langages 15:12 nahuel :) 15:12 eiro nahuel, sure! but only in a kept alive env ... so not in CGI 15:30 caj php made it easy for bad coders to code web apps... hence more crackable php sites in general 15:36 jdavidb As a side note to the browser-compat discussion, has there been much attention at all to accessibility? I suspect the OPAC would only marginally pass current section 508 requirements. 15:38 nahuel caj, because it's easy to set up in shared hosting 15:38 nahuel not because the language is easy 15:58 chris hi nicomo 15:58 nicomo hi chris 15:58 nicomo how's the coughing? 15:59 nicomo (sad tell of the internet that i know here and now (saturday 6pm france) 15:59 nicomo that you're coughing in TX saturday what? 11am? 16:04 chris hehe yes 16:04 chris too much talking 16:06 paul_p hi nicomo 16:06 nicomo hi paul_p 16:20 nengard oops - how did I close this? 16:20 nengard I'm back :) 16:20 nengard jdavidb - procede with picking on me 16:33 jdavidb nengard: with pleasure. 16:34 jdavidb nengard: remember how dead-slow my Eee was yesterday? been working on it--much better, and Koha is making on it right now. 16:34 nengard jdavidb: awesomeness 16:54 paul_p nahuel: didn't you do something about : http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=813 ? 16:55 nahuel paul_p, no I don't add the shelves comments 16:55 nahuel didn't 16:55 nahuel should I ? 16:57 nahuel http://laconi.ca/trac/ <= open source twitter like (it's better to be independant from third parts :)) 17:00 jdavidb nengard, chris: got koha running on the EEE with Easy Peasy 1.0 (Ubuntu Intrepid, on a diet) very much faster than the thumb drive VM 17:03 paul_p jdavidb: and it's fast enough to be useable ? wow, I never thought it could work ! 17:03 pianohacker Quite nice 17:03 pianohacker Do you happen to have a toaster? 17:04 jdavidb paul_p: very much so. snag me at a break and come play with it. Insert yourself as a patron or something; there's nothing in there right now. 17:04 jdavidb pianohacker: no, I don 17:04 paul_p lol: @all = "you know you're a geek when you chat with someone in the same room as you :D" 17:04 jdavidb don't, even. 17:06 chris :) 17:24 owen Looking at Bug 3132: When adding a guarantor for a professional patron should we show the "relationship" choice? This has to be the same for Professionals and Child patrons, so they'd be very different options 17:25 owen Or is the relationship between professional patron and organization understood? 17:26 jdavidb owne: I would think that's pretty intuitive, but not necessarily a *given.* Consider the case of a federal employee vs contractor. See them in the hall (or at the circ desk) and it would not be obvious. If it was important, though, they'd be creating different patron categories. 17:27 jdavidb owen, even.... sheesh. 17:28 nahuel for information, some people of biblibre are playing with python doing a marc editor, for the moment is just a work in progress project, which enable only to read the marcxml and iso2709 files, but it'll be able to modify/write records, url is : https://launchpad.net/pymarcedit 17:28 owen jdavidb: Yeah, I was thinking about a similar possibility, like the difference in a university between faculty and staff 17:28 nahuel for the moment it's just a "proof of concept" 17:28 nahuel the use interface will be rewrite 17:29 jdavidb owen: right. if they have the same borrow privs, it might be useful, but not crucial, prolly. If they have different borrow privs, it'll be moot. 17:30 owen I'm going to leave it out, and leave it up to the person who puts it back in to solve the problem of how to offer different relationship choices to C and P patrons 17:31 jdavidb owen: sounds like a plan. 17:55 caj tabs rawk 19:37 jdavidb dev meeting restarting: gmcharlt is wrapping up the git discussion. Hackfest to follow, I think. 19:53 nengard hackfest is beginning 19:54 pianohacker (notwitter) Working on the systempreferences editor once again for the KohaCon hackfest 19:56 nahuel pianohacker, http://identi.ca/ open source twitter like :) 19:56 nahuel it uses : http://laconi.ca/ 19:57 pianohacker Remember reading about that, thanks :) 20:00 nahuel :) 20:00 nahuel non-open webapps are bad :p 20:02 jdavidb Hi, liz_nekls! 20:18 gmcharlt pushed fix for bug 908 - thanks paul_p 20:18 gmcharlt pushed fix for bug 918 - thanks paul_p 20:20 gmcharlt pushed patch for bug 1545 - thanks chris 20:22 gmcharlt pushed patch for 3132 - thanks owen 20:45 gmcharlt pushed patch to batchRepairMissingBiblionumbers - thanks nahuel 21:02 brendan anybody know of a quick way to show a list of all the bugs in bugzilla 21:02 brendan may have missed that... 21:04 chris i just make a saved search of http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Koha&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&deadlinefrom=&deadlineto=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidty 21:05 chris so you can save that 21:05 chris in bugzilla mine is "all open bugs" 21:06 brendan chris that works, thanks 21:10 gmcharlt pushed patch for bug 946 - thanks paul_p 21:22 gmcharlt pushed patch for 3102 - thanks brendan 21:33 brendan gmcharlt on patch 3102 -- should I use your recommendation from bugzilla instead of the patch I sent before... This deals with "localization" compared to "location" 21:33 brendan I also vote for location over localization 22:26 owen dev weekend day 1 winding down... time to find dinner! 22:27 pianohacker definitely dinnertime 23:17 gmcharlt brendan: go ahead and send a patch using "Location" - note that I've already pushed your first 3102 patch 23:17 brendan Ok will do thanks gmcharlt 01:19 chris back from dinner 04:25 chris evening nahuel, good dinner? 04:25 nahuel chris, ! 04:25 nahuel hey 04:25 nahuel where are you ? 04:25 chris in my room 04:25 nahuel I think it was the best dinner I had in texas ! 04:25 chris ohh cool, where did you go? 04:25 nahuel And it was the better steack I didn't eat for a long time 04:25 nahuel in a great steack house in dallas 04:26 chris excellent 04:26 nahuel it was expensive 04:26 nahuel but really really really good 04:26 brendan it was a good dinner, nahuel 04:26 brendan hey chris 04:26 nahuel yes 04:26 chris hey brendan 04:26 nahuel a really great 04:26 nahuel one 04:26 brendan one of the best steaks I've ever had 04:26 nahuel me too 04:27 nahuel and the evening was pretty cool 04:27 chris darn, sounds like i picked the wrong night to go shopping 04:27 nahuel like yesterday night 04:27 nahuel :) 04:27 nahuel héhé 04:27 nahuel chris, you've still tomorow 04:27 brendan ah -- nothing is better than live baseball 04:27 chris heh 04:27 nahuel huhu 04:28 chris http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2009/04/19/librarians-developers-steaks-baseball-and-good-friends/ 04:28 nahuel you're wrong :) 04:28 nahuel there is another one people :) 04:29 brendan chris what is Korerorero ? 04:29 chris it means discussion/talking in maori 04:29 brendan oh course 04:30 brendan that's seems pretty obvious now 04:30 nahuel brendan, when are you leaving ? 04:30 brendan tomorrow around noon (12:00) 04:30 nahuel ah 04:30 nahuel you're going to mexico ? 04:30 brendan new mexico -- the state next to texas 04:31 brendan to the west of here 04:31 nahuel aaaah ok 04:31 brendan texas is probably as big as france 04:31 nahuel what will you do there ? 04:31 brendan so basically I'm traveling to another country 04:31 nahuel just for fun ? 04:31 brendan visit a friend - and go hiking 04:32 nahuel cool :) 04:32 brendan looking for birds too. 04:32 nahuel you're lucky 04:32 nahuel I would do the same :) 04:32 nahuel travel all over the time 04:32 brendan cool 04:32 brendan I love to travel, so I agree 04:32 nahuel but i have not my licence :p 04:32 brendan ok -- good night all 04:32 chris good night 04:33 nahuel well :) good night brendan 04:33 nahuel see you tomorow so ? 04:33 nahuel before you leave 04:33 brendan I could teach you to drive in a few hours nahuel 04:33 nahuel hahaha 04:33 brendan the roads are so big and straight here 04:33 nahuel yes but in france the licence is a little bit hard 04:33 nahuel harder than in usa to obtain 04:33 brendan that's because you have to take the test in french ;) 04:34 nahuel ahah 04:34 nahuel well you're driving well 04:34 brendan thanks 04:34 nahuel ahah 04:34 nahuel good night brendan 04:34 nahuel see you tomorow 04:34 nahuel and good night others 04:35 nahuel I'm going to sleeeep 04:35 brendan good night nahuel chris and all others 04:35 nahuel :) 04:35 nahuel too tired 04:35 chris yep me too, cya in the morning 04:38 nahuel see ya 09:02 Samuray hi 11:55 tajoli I'm tring to use IRC as first time 11:56 tajoli But I leave because is too early in Texas