Time Nick Message 03:58 imp how can i change the language of the "search"/user interface? (already changed the languages available for the opac interface, but it had no effect on the user page) 00:16 imp think it'll be a nice feature 00:14 gmcharlt not at present 00:09 imp hm, there's no way to select a field from the "default" marc record to add if i deleted something, i guess? 00:06 gmcharlt it's probably safer to use SQL to hide all of the 6xx from the editor view, rather than delete them outright 00:06 imp it's just a little bit confusing for them to see all the fields - so i try to make it stupid simple right now 00:05 imp can't remember that they needed anything from 6xx 00:03 gmcharlt and your records won't have 6xx fields? 00:03 imp we are right now at zero ;) 00:02 imp ? 00:02 gmcharlt have you loaded any bibs yet? 00:02 imp hmm 00:01 chris by running some sql you could, im not sure you would end up with somethign that still worked though :) 00:01 imp (a range of record fields) 00:01 imp something like 6** 23:59 gmcharlt what do you mean by complete sections? 23:58 imp is there a way to get rid of complete sections in the marc framework? 22:03 liz_nekls ttyl folks... chris, enjoy your saturday ;) 21:26 atz nothings been committed for 2 weeks though... there's a lot more pending 21:24 chris but the other developers have been doing tons and tons 21:24 chris ive only been busy over on the 3.0.x branch 21:21 liz_nekls holy criminy y'all have been busy 21:21 liz_nekls i hadn't checked git for a while and whoa 21:21 liz_nekls though I did have a look through all of the spectacular work you all have been doing 21:20 liz_nekls but yea, I checked out a couple of hours ago 21:20 chris hehe 21:20 liz_nekls hehe, late as in "staying for all the hours I"m paid to be here for" 21:20 chris my brain usually switches off around 3pm 21:20 chris ahh, well late for a friday then :-) 21:20 liz_nekls only 4:20p here ;) 21:15 chris working late on friday liz_nekls ? 20:41 chris yeah 20:40 atz or have it read to you while you are doing something else w/ your hands/eyes 20:40 atz but assuming correctness in implementation, it would be useful to say, "how would I pronounce this word?" 20:39 atz yeah, the regular consumer of such things would rarely, if ever prefer the machine reading 20:39 owen ...and there's a world of difference between having your computer read something and having an actor perform the text for an audio book. 20:38 atz and tough cookies to them. 20:38 atz i would say they license a totally separate work that is the audio recording 20:38 owen Yeah, because they separately license the "performing rights" or somesuch. 20:37 atz like the world of screen readers hasn't existed for decades.... 20:37 atz what, are publishers crying "infringement"? 20:37 owen Yeah, the new Kindle had a "read aloud" feature 20:36 chris wasnt there a recent furore over kindles and audio books? 20:33 chris :) 20:32 gmcharlt yeah, kind of hard for a book's sound system to fail 20:31 chris yeah, i always take a couple of novels just in case ;) 20:31 chris ahhh 20:31 gmcharlt when it actually works - had a bad experience with a seatback system on Delta the other month 20:31 chris and dont all have to watch the same one, and all try to go to the toilet at the same time :) 20:30 chris its all seatback now, so you can choose much better 20:30 chris and rotate the others 20:30 chris fastest indian, whale rider, lotr etc permanently 20:30 gmcharlt as they should, I would think 20:30 chris gmcharlt: yep, they have a bunch of nz movies 20:25 brendan The extended version should get you through 20:24 gmcharlt LOTR is a permanent fixture on that arline, I take it? 20:18 chris im flying airnz so ill do the lotr marathon again i think :) 20:14 chris although coming back i land at 9.30am .. so that day will be a writeoff 20:13 chris always try and land at night 20:13 chris now i plan the travel a bit more carefully :) 20:12 atz :\ 20:11 chris landed in colorado, got ambushed by exlibris who wouldnt let me into the building without signing an nda, and i was tired and disoriented :) 20:11 chris :) 20:11 chris was when that happened to me 20:11 chris the only time i ever signed an nda 20:10 atz yeah, i couldn't even pretend to do that 20:09 chris it kills ya when you travel 24 hours or so and then arrive at like 5am and have to try and stay awake all day 20:09 chris so i arrrive tired, have a good nights sleep and ok 20:09 chris the trick is staying awake on the flights 20:08 chris i should be ok 20:08 chris as long as i go straight to bed 20:08 chris as i land at 9.30pm 20:08 chris it shouldnt be too bad for me 20:06 atz i expect the jet lag would be huuuge 20:05 atz chris: physically 20:05 gmcharlt same continent, at any rate :) 20:05 chris least we will all be in the same timezone or closish 20:04 gmcharlt an IRC backchannel is a good idea 20:03 gmcharlt clay has to leave Friday evening 20:02 chris maybe we can organise an irc chat for interested people, if not 20:01 chris id love to chat with them about memcached, share somethings we discovered building the new stuff site 20:00 chris gmcharlt: are clay and john coming to the dev part of the kohacon? 19:40 liz_nekls sounds terrifying 19:40 liz_nekls hehe frankenbeast query 19:39 atz in part for my own sanity when users are like "why doesn't my frankenbeast quadruple JOIN query work like I want?" 19:39 atz yeah, i want to pretty print too 19:38 gmcharlt and just use SQL::Beautify to pretty-print 19:38 gmcharlt for SQL that users supply directly, can leave as is (except for filtering out inserts, create table, etc.) 19:38 gmcharlt well, as far as generating queries is concerned, SQL::Abstract would do it 19:37 atz there was a time when i did hardcore parsing in ANTLR 19:37 atz ... and not have to write it ourselves 19:35 gmcharlt ideally want a cross of SQL::Parser and SQL::Abstract 19:34 atz still SELECT only, no subqueries 19:34 gmcharlt except for part that lets user input arbitrary SQL 19:33 atz our allowed set of queries for guided reports keep things from getting very interesting for their sql parsing though... 19:31 atz supposedly the code is derived from an older SQL::Tidy ? 19:30 atz indeed, you might notice that I submitted a bug on it already 19:30 gmcharlt SQL::Beautify is young 19:29 gmcharlt as long as there are test cases 19:26 atz it should help insulate our internal SQL hacking by making the input more reliable 19:25 atz gmcharlt: any problems w/ adding SQL::Beautify dependency for Guided Reports? 19:19 chris i love google earth 19:18 chris so ill rack up 24,000km ... ill catch up to biblibre yet ;) 19:18 chris so apparently its 12249.538 km from my house to the hotel in plano 19:11 chris heh yeah that could get confusing 19:08 owen :) I'm friends with a couple who both post to the same blog without telling anyone who's who. Drives me crazy. 19:07 chris "Sometimes my wife writes posts for it also. You can usually spot them, they are usually funnier, have z’s instead of s, and miss out u’s." 19:07 chris thats how you can tell who writes a post on my blog, my wife or I 19:06 chris and a few more e's 19:06 chris yep :) 19:06 gmcharlt and more ou's? 19:05 atz heh 19:05 chris english with less z's in it :) 19:04 atz yeah, i have to agree w/ chris... imagine every feature you wanted to add, having to translate it to hebrew, russian, chinese, maori, etc. 19:03 atz XSL is far more inscrutable, but that's what's needed for the kind of flexibility slef is talking about 19:03 chris as far as translatability goes they actually work pretty well 19:02 atz and translatability 19:02 atz jwagner: actually the whole point of TMPL is readability 19:02 slef they all have house styles they want to work 19:02 jwagner Templates are certainly inscrutable at best.... 19:02 slef they work, but aren't flexible enough for any library I've met 19:01 slef koha templates suck too, regrettably 19:01 atz custom templates suck 19:01 slef thanks for the help jwagner 19:01 slef oh happy! prog template works => their template needs fixing 18:59 jwagner No, no problems opening the opac here. 18:58 slef I'll just try switching them back to prog templates as a test 18:58 slef step to reproduce: load opac 18:57 jwagner slef, what steps trigger the action? I've been using FF3.0.7 for ages with no problems on 3.0 or 3.0.1. 18:57 atz haven't seen that one then.... (staff had that bogus intranetuserjs problem) 18:57 slef off to try another machine with FF3.0.7 now 18:56 slef OPAC 18:56 atz slef: OPAC or STAFF? 18:54 slef Is anyone else seeing strange behaviour with Firefox 3.0.7 and Koha 3.0? I'm getting a javascript error in a jQuery plugin and broken display. 18:39 SelfishMan ha ha ha 18:38 chris just woke up, so far saturday is ok :) 18:36 SelfishMan pretty smooth so far, you? 18:34 chris hows friday going SelfishMan 18:25 SelfishMan afternoon 18:20 chris morning 16:37 paul_p hi self. Sorry for this approximative writing. I knew, but was not 100% sure of the french equivalent. 16:36 slef paul_p: my company is ttllp.co.uk, a worker cooperative. 16:35 slef buh? paul_p called me self-employed? 14:24 fredericd hi 13:56 gmcharlt time 13:55 hdl_laptop still struggling? 13:55 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: early next week 13:43 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: do you have something for me to test on ? 13:40 gmcharlt looking forward to seeing everyone there 13:39 owen Arriving evening of the 15th, leaving morning of the 19th. Unfortunately I can't stay for the whole dev portion. 13:39 paul_p bye |Lupin| 13:39 paul_p (nahuel & me -and chris C, by chance- arrive on 14th, 9PM, and return on 21th, 12PM 13:39 |Lupin| till soon, nice to talk to you guys ! 13:38 paul_p when do you arrive & return ? 13:38 owen Yeah, I couldn't resist. 13:36 paul_p yeah ! great news ! I thought you couldn't ! 13:36 paul_p you come ? 13:36 owen And to think I'm excited about just going to Texas ;) 13:35 paul_p (so not counting hdl & marc going to code4lib or nahuel & me going to Dallas) 13:35 paul_p owen: yep. 13:30 owen Wow, and that was just in March? 13:28 paul_p that's what is new on our side ;-) 13:28 paul_p considering that France is only 1000km x 1000km, that's huge ! 13:28 paul_p BibLibre has sum-ed all our march travels : it's 30 000km 13:27 paul_p hi owen. 13:26 owen What's new #koha? 13:15 |Lupin| gmcharlt: hmm we already have a file server to store all the books. For us the question is rather how to store all the information regarding the different book formats we handle in the MARC fields. Some formats are generated from others, that's I think what makes the project non-trivial 12:38 gmcharlt main thing is that if you're using it to link to images, PDFs, or other digital media, you'll likely want to also use a CMS to manage the digital objects 12:36 gmcharlt |Lupin|: it's been done - Rachel @ Katipo did it, there've been a few others 12:34 |Lupin| Just out of curiosity: Is somebody aware of another project using koha to maintain a digital library 12:33 jwagner Great, thanks. 12:33 gmcharlt yes, it's in C4/Auth.pm 12:32 jwagner Followup -- can you point me to the section of code that checks for an IP change? Somewhere in the Auth.pm maybe? 12:31 jwagner That's what I needed to know. Thanks much! 12:31 gmcharlt right, the sessions table in the database 12:31 jwagner Sessions row is where -- table on the server side? 12:30 gmcharlt if the IP address of the user changes, the user is asked to log in again 12:30 gmcharlt does store the IP address 12:30 gmcharlt but the sessions row for the login 12:30 gmcharlt the cookie doesn't itself include the IP address 12:30 jwagner When someone logs into the staff client, does Koha set a cookie that includes the IP address? 12:29 gmcharlt jwagner: what's your question? 12:16 jwagner Someone around who knows how logins and authentication work? 12:04 |Lupin| hmm linuxconf is a conference or a tool to configure LInux ? 12:03 |Lupin| oh yes ? I was not even aware of Linuxconf taking place in Paris... 12:01 paul_p |Lupin|: i'll be in Paris next week, for linuxconf ;-) 12:00 |Lupin| I see. Too bad we are not in the same city. If you guys happen to come to Paris, just let me know, may be nice to have a drink or so... 11:55 paul_p (small one, 5 of us, and it's full now. The other 5 ppl are homeworking) 11:55 paul_p yep, in Marseille 11:55 |Lupin| paul_p: if it has, where is it located ? 11:55 |Lupin| paul_p: has biblibre an office ? 11:54 |Lupin| cool ! 11:54 paul_p s/accompagné/accompagnées/ done 11:49 |Lupin| The biblibre site seems very accessible, it's great. 11:47 |Lupin| paul_p: wow! many thanks for the guided tour of the chan ! nice !! 11:44 paul_p |Lupin|: on this channel, you'll encounter frenchies from BibLibre, US ppl from LibLime, the 2 major vendors providing support on Koha & developping the software. You'll also meet a lot of other ppl, but from their own structure : either a library (like owen), or "self-employed", like slef. You can also speak to chris, the author of Koha 1.0, no more hacking Koha, but still involved (and maybe hacking again soon) 11:44 |Lupin| "et les bibliothèques ont besoin d'être accompagné dans leur démarche pour pouvoir tirer pleinement profit de leur potentiel": shouldn't it be accompagnéES ? 11:41 nahuel |Lupin|, http://www.biblibre.com/ 11:36 elwell `~ 11:33 |Lupin| what-s biblibre btw ?