Time Nick Message 09:56 Amit ;) 09:56 Amit i m just asking only 09:56 greenmang0 :P 09:56 Amit no 09:56 greenmang0 Amit: yes i am an indian 09:55 greenmang0 Amit: i think you doubt my nationality 09:55 greenmang0 you have asked this question to me few days back 09:53 Amit greenmang0 r u from india 09:48 Kivutar hi Amit 09:47 Amit hi kivutar 09:46 Amit hi hdl 09:46 greenmang0 hdl_laptop: 09:46 hdl_laptop hi Amit greenmang0 09:45 greenmang0 Amit: hello 09:45 Amit hi greenmang0 ;) 08:08 kf hi Amit 08:07 Amit hi kf 07:29 nicomo hi Amit 07:29 Amit hi nicomo 07:26 chris http://www.calyx.net.au/2009/03/scis-bibliographic-records-seamlessly-imported-to-koha/ 07:24 nicomo hi chris 07:24 chris hi nicomo 07:10 chris id be very suprised if they dont win all the tests actually 07:10 Amit !!! 07:10 Amit right chris 07:06 chris yep, i would be very very suprised if india dont win 07:06 brendan ohh... india is in a good position. 05:51 Amit brendan india is in good position 05:51 Amit hi chris 05:49 greenmang0 Amit: 05:38 chris nz 75/3 05:38 chris india all out for 520 05:38 chris well maybe jut one more 05:37 chris nope 2 more days 05:13 brendan what's the score for the match at now? or is it over 05:13 Amit hi brendan 05:12 brendan hey Amit -- 05:11 Amit hi greenmang0 04:33 Owner hey Amit 03:29 Amit chris: what about match ;) 03:29 Amit hi chris, mason, brendan 01:07 chris yep, just need to syspref it like you say 01:07 mason but still , the old code was pretty good for proper 'enterprise-capable' slip-printing 01:05 mason home-user/librarian != sys-admin 01:04 mason yeah, looks like it.. 01:03 chris or something .. i forget 01:03 chris yeah that stuff all got ripped out, because people dont understand how to set up a networked printer and print queues 01:02 chris *nod* 01:02 mason which may turn a librarian postal 01:01 mason looks like the old 1yr-expiry printercookie - is replaced with a X-mins cgisession cookie 00:59 chris awesome 00:58 mason i'll hopefully work out a way to wrap it in a 'basic|networked' printing syspref 00:57 mason hooking up the commented-out network-printing and cookies stuff 00:55 mason im futzing with slip-printer stuff over here too.. 22:40 slef I mean label-print-pdf.pl with $printingtype eq 'PATCRD' 22:39 chris yep 22:38 imp .oO(always the same with printers - if you really need them, they may behave quite strange) 22:38 chris i hate printers 22:14 chris cool 21:44 brendan chris -- somethings will transfer nice from ckricet 21:43 brendan ;) 21:43 brendan chris - I will definitely be excited to help you understand the game -- I owe you for the cricket education I'm getting... 20:05 chris ahh cool 20:05 chris sorry got distracted by work 19:10 mason morning all 19:09 jwagner I've had to try to explain things to my nieces, like the hand signals and baserunning moves. I know perfectly well what's going on, but darned if I can put it into words. 19:09 SelfishMan mmm...nasty stadium food 19:09 jwagner You can _see_ the game better on TV (camera closeups etc.), but nothing beats actually being in the ballpark. We'll educate you :-) 19:09 atz chris: it's like a 90-degree arc of cricket... 19:08 chris so ill be expecting people to tell me what the heck is going on :) 19:08 chris so im looking forward to it 19:08 chris ive never seen baseball live, only bits and pieces on the tv 19:07 jwagner Chris, I'm a big baseball fan -- I'd be interested. 19:04 atz chris: sounds fun 19:03 chris hotel will shuttle us to a baseball game for anyone who is interested :) 19:03 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=activities 19:02 imp moin 19:01 chris morning 18:54 atz gmcharlt: great, i'll submit the patch 18:49 atz wow... sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl modified 503 bibs 18:40 atz gmcharlt: ok, must be an issue w/ getting my -1 properties updated into the index then... rebuilding 18:36 gmcharlt atz: just the ccl.properties change by itself works for me 18:36 gmcharlt that's the idea 18:25 gmcharlt http://gmc.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl=notforloan:-1 18:25 gmcharlt or rather 18:24 gmcharlt http://gmc.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ccl=onorder:-1 18:24 gmcharlt atz: may be a case where just trying the OPAC search after making that change to ccl.properties is sufficient 18:02 atz but the yaz-client response still reads: SearchResult-1: term=1 cnt=0 18:01 atz is received in the zebra log as: Search biblios OK 0 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr "1=notforloan" -1 18:00 atz gmcharlt: the query: f @attr 1=notforloan -1 16:34 atz the "term" is changed 16:33 atz SearchResult-1: term=1 cnt=0 16:33 gmcharlt no, I meant what query the zebrasrv showing that it's receiving 16:33 atz for example 16:33 atz f @attr 1=notforloan -1 16:33 atz i'll try whatever... 16:32 gmcharlt what RPN query is actually getting sent? 16:31 atz ok, same results 16:27 atz interesting... there are a few updates I need to pull in from the git version apparently 16:23 atz hmm... good question. i better check 16:23 gmcharlt or just the copy in your git clone 16:23 gmcharlt stupid question time: did you change the copy of ccl.properties in the Koha run directory that zebrasrv is actually using? 16:22 gmcharlt like you did should work 16:22 gmcharlt notforloan 1=8008 4=109 16:21 atz but it still strips "-1" as the search term down to "1" unless I add 4=109 to the query itself 16:20 atz and added the info that it is a numeric field (because it is) 16:20 atz i changed the ccl.properties definition for "notforloan" 16:20 atz w/o having to put it in-line in the query 16:20 atz i want to query so that zebra "knows" i'm targetting a numeric field 16:19 atz "not really about standardization after all" 16:19 atz hey, welcome to the world of library standards 16:19 gmcharlt which nobody follows precisely 16:18 atz gmcharlt: actually there is an corresponding ISO spec 16:18 gmcharlt regarding your question, are you asking how C4::Search constructs queries to send to Zebra? 16:17 gmcharlt CCL is more of a convention than a formal standard 16:17 atz but how do I get the defined word/terms into the query? 16:16 atz gmcharlt: I get how to build things with the numeric representation... 16:16 atz ttyl kf 16:16 kf leaving work now, bye #koha :) 16:15 atz i can't even find a book on Amazon that has more than an academic discussion of it... and even those are from the 90's! 16:15 atz the number of resources on CCL is incredibly small 16:13 kf nahuel ++ 16:04 atz sounds good 16:04 nahuel ok, i'll follow the model, (and rename it) 16:04 atz nahuel: the perldoc explains how to add a subclass 16:03 nahuel hehe 16:03 gmcharlt nahuel++ 15:58 nahuel ok well I'll do this 15:58 nahuel yep :) 15:58 atz better name ^^ 15:58 gmcharlt SequenceGenerator 15:57 atz nahuel: yeah, that would make sense 15:57 nahuel CodeGenerator 15:57 gmcharlt build on the code, and rename? 15:57 nahuel It should be named differently 15:57 nahuel But How to make it generic for inventory too 15:56 nahuel yes it's what I see 15:55 atz it is better than what we have now... and more modular/extensible... 15:55 nahuel you're right 15:55 nahuel ho ok 15:55 atz it is what I intended to be a replacement for the existing code 15:53 atz (last I checked anyway) 15:53 atz nahuel: that's not really used by anything 15:53 nahuel I see there is a C4::Barcode 15:53 nahuel atz, where should I implemente the inventory number generator ? 15:50 kf g 15:50 nahuel popup are... bad 15:49 nahuel gmcharlt, i'm agree with you :) 15:49 gmcharlt actually, I'd like to see some more use of it, to cut down on the number of popup windows in the intranet 15:49 gmcharlt well, it is used 15:48 nahuel because we just see it, and never see some code that use it 15:48 gmcharlt why do you ask? 15:48 gmcharlt manage-marc-import, also for bib preview 15:47 nahuel ok, but no more used ? 15:47 ryan_ nahuel: it was used in marc preview in z39.50 search 15:47 gmcharlt used in a couple places to display a MARC record in a floating div 15:46 nahuel where is used "greybox" which is present in koha-tmpl 15:46 nahuel just another question 15:46 gmcharlt have fun 15:46 nahuel s/not/now/ 15:46 nahuel not it's time to code :) 15:46 nahuel thanks atz gmcharlt and kf :) 15:44 nahuel that take some "model" 15:44 nahuel i'll make an autoincrementation function 15:44 atz yeah, the thing is that I can always define a different standard in the same namespace 15:44 nahuel yep i'll see 15:42 kf i saw something like that in another system, you could also define a prefix and a suffix for numbers there, and an icremental part 15:42 atz i don't mind if you want to do some kind of automatic generation w/ another field though 15:41 nahuel to have something like a "sequence" table 15:41 atz then incremental breaks because it can't do "MAIN200807++" 15:41 nahuel atz, yes, we should improve this feature 15:41 atz and incremental setting works fine... until you have some crap from another setting in the DB 15:40 kf nahuel: when migrating it should be possible to import old accession_numbers, they sometimes look different over time, for example 90/234 and 2001/12 15:40 atz the main problem was that people will turn off/on autobarcode settings 15:40 nahuel inventory number are not "human-readable" 15:39 atz the barcode is a *machine* identifier. it should not include any human-readable semantic ANYTHING 15:39 nahuel atz, what do you mean ? 15:39 nahuel kf, of course 15:39 nahuel kf, oh yes 15:38 nahuel kf, what do you mean by "inventory book" ? 15:38 atz be deleted and cease to exist. 15:38 kf to keep track about deleted items? 15:38 nahuel atz, die ? 15:38 atz that's my opinion. 15:38 kf nahuel, do frech libraries also need an inventory book? 15:38 atz everything but incremental should die. 15:38 nahuel ok 15:38 kf ++ 15:38 kf items.inventory_number üü 15:38 gmcharlt check with atz - I know he has some opinions on the autobarcode code 15:37 nahuel and try to make some "generic" code for autobarcode and autoinventorynumber 15:37 nahuel ok great i'll do this :) 15:36 gmcharlt items.inventory_number ++ 15:36 nahuel gmcharlt, well, so you think I can add a new column in items ? 15:34 nahuel gmcharlt, yes 15:34 nahuel gmcharlt, differents templates and uses 15:34 gmcharlt should be implemented with the same code 15:34 kf i think an new column would be a great solution, and possibilty to add acquisitin numbers in serials and acquisition 15:34 gmcharlt main thing is that since the barcode autoincrement and inventory autoincrement code wouild be doing similar things, but perhaps with different templates 15:33 nahuel gmcharlt, of course :) 15:32 kf but not more than one inventory number per item 15:32 gmcharlt right, but that has to be more expensive that an index on a column 15:32 nahuel gmcharlt, only one inventory number 15:32 kf but sometimes there is only one inventory number, for examlpe for all issues of an serial in a year 15:32 nahuel in mysql 5.1 we can make xpath in sql queries 15:32 kf no 15:32 nahuel well, for the moment mysql 5.1 is not in stable linux distro, we cannot made this in other way 15:32 gmcharlt ? 15:32 kf nahuel: acquisition + inventory number ++ 15:31 gmcharlt one question - does anybody assign *two* or more inventory numbers per items 15:31 kf so for reports you need a column in items? i thought i could solve the inventory book with reports 15:31 gmcharlt so having it mapped to a new column would enable that 15:31 gmcharlt in which case there could be times you would want to use SQL to look up an inventory number 15:30 nahuel gmcharlt, they should be used in acquisition module too 15:30 gmcharlt sure, I have no objection to that 15:30 nahuel gmcharlt, ok so we can add a new column ? 15:30 gmcharlt particularly if those inventory numbers are meant to be used in reports 15:30 gmcharlt I'd be inclined to add a new column to the items table, and possibly index it 15:30 nahuel but we were asking where we must stock it 15:30 kf i thought about changing barcode.pl plugin for inventory numbers, they often look like 2009/1 (annual barcode version) 15:30 nahuel gmcharlt, i'm writing it 15:29 nahuel how can we easily autoincrement it ? :) 15:29 nahuel if the field content is only in xml and zebra 15:29 gmcharlt auto increment could be done with a cataloging plugin, though of course you'd want to avoid a query that scans each item in the DB to look for the next value 15:29 nahuel but generally they're autoincremented fields 15:29 kf gmcharlt: i tried linking to more_subfields_xml but got strange output, nice to know how it works now :) 15:29 nahuel hmmm 15:28 gmcharlt that's how kf's 952$i works 15:28 gmcharlt and are thus available for item editing and Zebra searching 15:27 gmcharlt do get automatically sent to items.more_subfields_xml 15:27 kf the libraries will also need in inventory book, all items, deleted marked as deleted with date and so on 15:27 gmcharlt any subfields defined in the MARC framework for the items tag that are not mapped to an items column 15:27 nahuel jwagner, hmm or add a field in items 15:27 kf its by item, additional two barcode, hopefully unique (if there were no mistakes in the past) 15:27 jwagner If they have different requirements, maybe designing a new table to accomodate both would work best? 15:26 kf just came back to office and started reading 15:26 kf sorry, but its an important topic we discussed here too 15:26 nahuel jwagner, not really :) 15:25 jwagner Yes. Are the French & German requirements the same? 15:25 nahuel legal reason for inventory number 15:25 kf but its not mapped to item yet 15:25 gmcharlt and I hear kf chiming in ;) 15:25 kf i used 952$i 15:25 nahuel :) 15:25 nahuel kf, oh yes ! that's why ! 15:25 nahuel well :) 15:25 gmcharlt that's still a lot of libraries 15:25 gmcharlt it may be debatable whether this would be a limited use feature, actually - sure, not many US libraries would use it, but if it's common in Franc,e, and perhaps other Continental libraries, 15:25 kf its by law 15:25 kf hey there, german academic libraries need inventory numbers too 15:25 jwagner Six of one, half-dozen of the other.... 15:24 gmcharlt yeah, but that also applies to new tables 15:23 jwagner As I understand the process, if you alter the table structure you record that so that the next upgrade would make the change automatically on new sites. Correct? That should be pretty much invisible to sites. 15:23 gmcharlt but putting identifiers in a separate table would add more flexibility at cost of taking longer to implement 15:22 gmcharlt it's usually quicker to just add another column 15:22 gmcharlt well, that depends 15:22 jwagner It sounds like this would be pretty specialized use -- not relevant to a lot of sites. I don't know the "sense of the community" yet on adding new tables versus expanding standard ones for limited use things like this. 15:21 gmcharlt I'm tempted to suggest creating a new item_identifiers table, but that may be overkill 15:21 gmcharlt adding a fields to items is the default solution 15:21 nahuel add a field in "items" table ? 15:21 gmcharlt generalize the item barcode incrementing code 15:20 nahuel but which table ? :) 15:20 nahuel yes :) 15:20 jwagner Can you do something with a table value for autoincrementing? Read current value, add one, write new value? 15:19 nahuel yes, but how to manage autoincrementation? 15:18 gmcharlt well for HEAD, such a field should have a new index 15:16 nahuel else, do you have any idea how we can implement this, without having to create a new index in zebra ? 15:16 gmcharlt in any event, an inventory number sounds like just another item attribute 15:16 nahuel don't know, i think paul or hdl will know more about the story 15:16 gmcharlt accident of history, I guess :) 15:16 nahuel frenchy style 15:16 nahuel yes :) 15:15 gmcharlt I'm curious, why have two unique identifiers for items? 15:15 nahuel in france barcode is different as inventory 15:14 gmcharlt most just use the barcode as the unique ID 15:14 gmcharlt some libraries do, but it's relatively rare 15:14 nahuel in usa you don't use inventory numbers? 15:13 nahuel it works identically as barcodes, but they're not barcodes :) 15:13 nahuel like barcode 15:13 nahuel yes 15:13 gmcharlt they should increment per new item, not per new bib, correct? 15:12 nahuel well code something link autobarcode 15:12 nahuel and to make a search on it to permit auto increment, etc... 15:12 nahuel but in unimarc we do not really know in which field put it... 15:12 nahuel yes they are 15:11 gmcharlt I assume that these inventory numbers are distinct from the item barcodes? 15:10 gmcharlt probably should define a new item field for that 15:09 nahuel by library 15:09 gmcharlt inventory number assigned by library or by a third party? 15:09 nahuel we're looking for a way to have an "inventory number" 15:09 gmcharlt copy number is what a library assigns to a particular item 15:09 nahuel ah 15:08 gmcharlt stock number is assigned by publisher or distributor 15:08 gmcharlt that's different from a copy number 15:08 nahuel melm 037 Identifier-standard,Stock-number (in zebra config) 15:07 nahuel gmcharlt, but in koha stock-number is in 037 15:06 jwagner I was looking at the Library of Congress site -- zeroing in on what gmcharlt says, take a look at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd852.html 15:04 gmcharlt in a MARC21 holdings record (or holdings info embedded in bib), usually found in the 852 $t 15:03 nahuel jwagner, in MARC standard 15:02 jwagner hdl_laptop, in what sense? MARC standard? or within Koha? 15:01 hdl_laptop any one able to tell me more about copynumber for marc21 ? 15:00 hdl_laptop hi all