Time  Nick       Message
08:36 kf         sorry hdl, overread your comment
08:36 kf         oh
08:35 kf         but I m a little worried, because now its handled different
08:35 kf         should be a system preference
08:35 kf         he didn't and I think its right not to push it
08:35 kf         http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-March/002696.html
08:34 hdl_laptop Maybe galen has not pushed it.
08:34 hdl_laptop It was a patch sent by nahuel.
08:34 chris      ahh does that code respect it?
08:33 hdl_laptop Actually, there already is a syspref that allow ppl to choose whether they add new loan period or just base it on the renewal date.
08:31 hdl_laptop hi kf
08:29 nahuel     kf, hi
08:29 kf         hi nahuel
08:17 kf         I think this should be a system preference, and in addition there should be the possibility to define, when patrons are allowed to new, something like "7 days before due date"
08:14 kf         I think with due_date + new loan period, the patrons will renew immediately after checking items out
08:13 kf         thats right
08:13 chris      (when renewing)
08:13 kf         discussed different calculation of due_date in HEAD and 3.01 with chris
08:12 kf         hi hdl
08:12 chris      there he is :)
08:11 kf         yep :)
08:10 chris      hopeuflly hdl will be on irc later
08:10 chris      it should either be reverted, or be changed to use a system preference
08:09 chris      yeah
08:09 kf         I just think its not good, as it is now - different. and I hope you dont forget to fix this before 3.0.2 :)
08:07 kf         i think than you can handle it with due_date + without making it difficult to get a hold on the item
08:07 chris      that would be a good feature too
08:06 kf         in our current systems you can define, when a user is allowed to renew, how many days before due_date
08:06 chris      and have a switch so libraries that want it work like the patch can
08:06 kf         i agree that some might want that
08:06 chris      so best to have the default behaviour be the way it used to
08:06 chris      yep, but some libraries might want that
08:06 kf         yes, i think this would be the best solution
08:06 fredericd  discussed by Joshua on list: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-March/002696.html
08:05 chris      renew from due_date or renew from today
08:05 kf         no, because if you do duedate + , patrons will renew immediately after checking items out
08:05 chris      i suspect that it should be a system preference then
08:05 chris      right
08:05 kf         for germany head is
08:05 chris      on first reading anyway
08:05 chris      sounds like 3.0.1 is ....
08:04 chris      ahh which one is doing it right?
08:03 kf         caused by this patch http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=d2d103195c885c1a3084f032c8a18761d1abf5f7
08:01 kf         oh i noticed that due_date is atm calculated differently in 3.0.1 and 3.2
07:59 kf         guten morgen frederic
07:57 fredericd  guten morgen und hiya
07:56 kf         hi chris
07:56 chris      hiya kf
07:54 kf         good morning #koha
03:40 Amit       india 220/3
03:40 Amit       chris what about match
03:40 Amit       hi chris, mason, brendan
02:38 Rosa       Si: if you are there I have david from advantage on #hlt
23:38 ron        oh, yeah. never thought of that
23:37 slef       you may find /who #koha helpful
23:37 gmcharlt   heading out myself, but I'll be responding to your email soon
23:34 ron        too right. many thanks
23:33 gmcharlt   anyway, glad I could help with the connection
23:33 ron        :)
23:33 gmcharlt   no, just laughing at the general game of guessing names from nicks
23:33 ron        you can laugh. I emailed him to tell him what I'd learned in here, probably from slef himself. bleh
23:32 gmcharlt   heh
23:28 ron        slef: sorry, I didn't realise I'd already emailed you. I didn't make the connection. :)
23:26 atz        i'll leave it for gmcharlt and ron to hash out
23:25 atz        ok, heading out to get some food for cats...
23:22 chris      maybe just in library terminology
23:22 atz        chris: is there *any* divergence?  i can't tell the difference from here
23:21 chris      AU will be pretty darn close
23:21 chris      its about 60% done for the intranet
23:21 chris      at least for the opac
23:21 chris      we already have en_NZ
23:19 ron        although the salesdude who knows how to spell I.T.
23:19 ron        I'm merely the salesdude
23:19 gmcharlt   ok
23:19 ron        you'll likely be hearing from benf in here today
23:19 ron        btw, I should let you know that I have two engineers who are involved from my end; twb & benf
23:18 atz        right
23:18 gmcharlt   and ideally, en_UK, en_AU, and en_US will become localizations
23:18 atz        ideally they are each independent so you don't have to install all of them
23:17 atz        we have a *ton* of translations in various stages of completeness
23:17 ron        heck, I'm not in botswana
23:17 gmcharlt   heh - was about to ask exactly that
23:17 atz        internationalization packages for example
23:17 ron        ok
23:17 gmcharlt   ron: most of the requirements are evident, I think, but there would be questions
23:17 ron        of course
23:16 atz        it will take some more investigation on the front-end to be accurate
23:16 ron        atz: do you have enough info? ie; requirements?
23:16 atz        (as in, higher up than me... gmcharlt could probably do it)
23:15 atz        in any case, I suppose we should have somebody higher up at LL contact you to parameterize and get you a quote
23:14 gmcharlt   :)
23:14 gmcharlt   get out of my head!
23:14 atz        yeah, similar thoughts
23:14 ron        atz: was amusing that you comment came on the heels of gmcharlt's
23:14 atz        heh j/k
23:13 ron        atz: lazy! :)
23:13 atz        ron: I'll take the second year.  :)
23:13 gmcharlt   the bulk of the work will be completing the initial packaging - as long as the process is documented, should be easier to keep it up
23:13 ron        I assume it'd be relatively easy to identify someone to take the reigns in year two, then three, etc
23:13 ron        if I can get someone who is willing to be responsible for just *one* year then I'd be happy
23:12 ron        atz: year by year then
23:12 ron        ...would work well...
23:12 atz        right, 5 years is a long time in software
23:12 ron        and, heck, some money back into the community would well for everyone
23:12 ron        I'm more concerned with longer term responsibility
23:11 ron        I'm not necessarily looking at taking the cheapest route
23:11 atz        ron: are you looking to RFP?  basically, how do you want the solution pitched?
23:09 ron        once the deb is available then we'll migrate to the primary server they're wanting it on
23:09 ron        this deb package will take a while to get 'finished', so we're moving ahead with deploying on a dedicated host via the usual tarball method
23:08 atz        i started chipping away at the vincent's wiki page.... striking out things that could be ignored (or outright removed)
23:08 slef       !seen botsnack
23:08 slef       !botsnack
23:07 gmcharlt   !slef
23:07 ron        irony
23:07 gmcharlt   slef: you're crediting newlogbot with much more intelligence than it has
23:07 ron        maybe newlogbot's index is screwed? ;-)
23:07 slef       newlogbot: botsnack?
23:07 slef       newlogbot, zebra?
23:07 gmcharlt   NoZebra is a pure perl, older, biblio indexing mode
23:07 slef       !newlogbot, zebra?
23:07 ron        righto
23:06 atz        zebra is the indexing and z3950 core of Koha
23:06 gmcharlt   search engine used by Koha
23:06 slef       zebra is the biblio indexer
23:06 ron        wtf is zebra?
23:06 slef       blah, this ps file is blank :-/
23:06 atz        the first thing i would do is redefine scope a bit, for the first iteration of the package.  namely, don't waste any time on no-zebra.
23:06 ron        or my four were/are
23:06 slef       heh
23:06 ron        :)
23:06 ron        so's a baby
23:06 slef       sadly
23:06 slef       this is 100% work
23:05 slef       nope
23:05 ron        ahh.. baby
23:05 slef       nah, did that a while ago
23:05 ron        ;-)
23:05 ron        getting married?
23:05 slef       a non-nonegotiable deadline which some of you know about is coming up next week
23:04 slef       I will reply to emails soon, but priorities are screwing me
23:04 ron        it'll take that long to get all the ducks lined up anyway
23:04 atz        1 mo. vs. 5 years isn't much
23:04 ron        slef: that's only a month away
23:04 slef       I have someone interested in being responsible for the package, but unavailable until April
23:04 ron        gmcharlt: yeah, I got that. heh
23:03 gmcharlt   good (re intro)
23:03 ron        but he has documented his progress
23:03 atz        right, since he doesn't really get Koha itself
23:03 gmcharlt   good
23:03 ron        yeah, VDJ isn't so interested in being responsible for the package
23:03 chris      yep i introduced ron to vincent
23:03 atz        right
23:03 gmcharlt   there's a DD, Vincent Danjean, who's been working on packaging
23:03 ron        liblime?
23:02 atz        gmcharlt is my project manager at LL
23:02 gmcharlt   ron: cool
23:02 ron        meh. gov't
23:02 atz        wow, that's remarkable
23:01 ron        ongoing = 5 yrs
23:01 ron        but more importantly, I've got a customer who will pay for the ongoing maintenance of the package
23:00 ron        but he's got plenty of packaing experience
23:00 atz        "I just want to apt-get koha.  Why doesn't it work?"
23:00 ron        I've got a DD involved from my end, although he has no experience with Koha
23:00 ron        heh
23:00 atz        :)
23:00 atz        oh that's ok, neither does anybody else.
22:59 ron        of course, I have no idea the magnitude of this. :)
22:59 atz        awesome
22:59 ron        sponsor = $$
22:59 ron        atz: I'm happy to sponsor the deb packaging
22:59 atz        yeah, that was my reply
22:58 ron        presumably that's you?
22:58 ron        atz: howdy. was just reading the gmane link which chris quoted
22:58 atz        ron: yep, i'm here
22:57 ron        does joe = atz (in here)?
22:57 ron        interesting
22:56 ron        chris: howdy
22:05 chris      ouch slef
22:03 slef       you know it's bad when the project plan sprawls over A2
21:32 chris      seems like a perfect opportunity for you to jump in :)
21:32 chris      ron: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.koha/13478
20:44 slef       emailed nicomo :-/
20:43 SelfishMan The snow has melted up here in Montana so pretty good I'd say
20:43 chris      practising for texas? :)
20:41 brendan    err y'all
20:41 brendan    how's everything with you all
20:41 chris      heya brendan
20:40 SelfishMan afternoon
20:40 brendan    Good afternoon #koha
19:48 richard    hi chris
19:47 chris      morning richard
19:42 chris      ron: can you yell out when you see this please ;)
19:40 chris      morning
18:36 danny      ah ok, I see
18:35 gmcharlt   danny: it helps - sometimes one may get kept in moderation
18:33 danny      Do you have to be subscribed to the koha patches mailing list in order to submit patches to it? (trying to debug why someones patch didn't make it to the mailing list)
14:41 slef       hdl_laptop: thanks. When's he back or is someone else handling his tasks while he's away?
13:26 slef       hdl_laptop: thanks. When's he back or is someone else handling his tasks while he's away?
13:15 hdl_laptop slef: nicomo is in Limoges for a training session.
13:04 slef       biab
13:04 slef       owen: not "What's on your mind?" ;-)
13:04 slef       hdl_laptop: paul_p: is nicomo about for IRC in 15-30mins?
12:34 owen       ...#koha?
12:33 owen       What's up