Time Nick Message 13:19 jwagner Can someone answer a historical question? Is there a reason the patron table doesn't have a separate state field for addresses? For U.S. libraries that would seem to be a given. There is a separate municipality field, but it's not part of the main address section. I'm wondering if there was a particular reason this field hasn't been added. Thanks. 13:25 paul_p hi jwagner. 13:26 hdl_laptop hi jwagner 13:26 paul_p i'm probably a good historian ;-) 13:26 paul_p the answer is probably: because v1 was done by a kiwi (New Zealand), then a frenchy came (me & hdl), and none of us have this question. 13:29 jwagner I thought that might be it. I'm not sure it's critical -- the library can enter City, State in the City field -- but we got a question on it. It might be something to keep in mind if someone is overhauling the patron table in the future. I think there are other countries than the U.S. that have the equivalent of states in addresses. Thanks. 13:34 owen I agree with jwagner on the City/State issue, but I share the US perspective. I suspect the preferred UI would be different for different countries. 13:37 jwagner Maybe some kind of template that allows the site to pick the fields that should be part of a standard address? I haven't dug into templates much yet -- don't know if that functionality is already there. 13:37 owen Nope 13:37 owen But I think it's a good idea. Some kind of global template for what patron fields to use. 13:37 owen I can imagine it, but I don't know how you'd make it work :) 13:39 jwagner Something like the MARC framework but simpler, for patron records? With settings for Required, Optional, and Don't Display in the record editor? 13:42 paul_p jwagner: there's already something to have fields mandatory/non mandatory. "hidden" could be added easily I think (it's a syspref, don't remember which atm) 13:44 owen then we'd have to add some fields to accommodate different variations on city/state 13:45 owen ...and maybe zip code/post code/whatever? 13:45 paul_p and probably alternate address & 2nd, 3rd, 4th mail ... 13:45 paul_p we have some libraries thinking the patron form is much too heavy ! 13:46 paul_p (some being happy with it) 13:46 paul_p so, having a "hidden" option for each field is a very good idea ;-) 13:46 jwagner Paul, the syspref you're referring to is BorrowerMandatoryField, correct? Yes, maybe that could be expanded somehow. I was also thinking about the patron edit screen -- where the fields are placed for data entry. 13:46 paul_p jwagner: right 13:49 owen From a usability point of view the trouble with BorrowerMandatoryField is that the librarian has to know the field names 13:51 paul_p owen: ++ 13:52 jwagner Yes, I noticed that. I'm not sure it's possible to modify the syspref edit screen to allow a pulldown or selection list, but maybe just add a display line containing all the field names? 13:53 paul_p cheap version : add the field names (but think translations : that won't be good for other languages) 13:54 paul_p perfect version : add a pulldown 13:54 owen The language and opaclanguages prefs are a better model I think 13:55 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: about? 14:00 hdl_laptop yes 14:00 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: i am here 14:00 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: got a 3.0.1 tarfile for me? 14:01 hdl_laptop I sent the link on dl.free.fr yesterday 14:02 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: I must have missed - please send it again 14:03 hdl_laptop resent 14:04 gmcharlt got it now - didn't receive the email yesterday 14:06 hdl_laptop http://dl.free.fr/cIEoRF3MK 14:06 hdl_laptop this link. 14:06 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: so kados must have missed it too. 14:07 gmcharlt no matter, after I verify it, will put it today 14:07 gmcharlt then you can announce the release 14:26 hdl_laptop ok thx 15:17 liz question: is there a way to report on items that have a "long in transit time" 15:17 liz in-transit 15:19 owen Isn't that "transfers to receive" ? /cgi-bin/koha/circ/transferstoreceive.pl 15:20 liz hm 15:20 liz I'm thinking of items that are listed as "in transit" 15:21 liz let me run it and look 15:25 owen I don't know...The results of that report aren't exactly what I was thinking of, but it does list the date of transfer so you could see what the oldest ones were 15:26 owen And that report does list things that are in transit, either because they're going back to their home branch or because they're on hold 15:35 kf there is a syspref for long in transit warnings: TransfersMaxDaysWarning 15:37 kf nicole writes: It is a way to alert that items in transit have not reached their destination in a reasonable amount of time. 15:40 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: have you had time to take a look at borrowers import I sent you in December ? 15:42 liz kf: how does it alert? 15:42 hdl_laptop atz: about the OpenNCIP code in Koha, is there a way to make stuff synch again ? Is there a plan to do so ? 15:42 atz i was discussing it w/ phase_fx 15:43 hdl_laptop code4lib channel ? 15:43 atz it would be reasonable to do, but will require refactoring Koha install to CPAN it, for example 15:43 atz no, phasefx is on here still 15:44 atz i would like to do it, but it isn't a very high priority 15:45 atz i think the differences are minor there 15:45 liz kf: nm, rtfm 15:45 kf sorry, afk liz 15:46 liz sok, i found it :) 15:46 kf ok :) 15:49 kf team bowling today yay - bye #koha :) 18:49 tim Does anyone know what would cause some subfields to be hidden in the editor on Koha 3 when they aren't set to hidden in the framework? 19:15 chris yo nicole 19:15 chris tim: beats me 19:15 nengard yo 19:15 nengard is paul around? 19:15 nengard i wanted to get the kohacon announcement up on koha.org 19:15 chris just missed him 19:15 chris i can do that 19:16 nengard thanks chris 19:16 nengard that would be great 19:16 nengard just the email he sent to kohadevel 19:16 nengard it's the press release 19:16 chris and to the main koha one? 19:16 nengard and i want to link to it 19:16 nengard yes - koha.org news 19:16 chris k 19:16 chris on the homepage? 19:16 mason morning kids 19:16 nengard y 19:16 chris k 19:17 tim nengard, I finally just set the fields to mandatory by editing the marc_subfield_structure table. I'd still like to know why they woudn't show and why I can't set them to mandatory through the Koha interface. 19:17 chris hey mason 19:17 nengard tim - i'm confused - is this in relation to an email i have? or something else - 19:17 mason tim: beats me too 19:17 nengard if it beats the developers - then maybe it's a bug?? 19:18 nengard chris - the news should be here: http://koha.org/about-koha/news/ i guess 19:18 nengard and that shows on the homepage 19:19 tim Yup. It's the same problem as in the email. My wording seems to be messed up. 19:19 chris yeah you have to choose if you want it on the homepage or not 19:19 chris kea has a pretty cool news system 19:19 nengard ah 19:24 nengard thanks chris 19:24 nengard to all: http://koha.org/about-koha/news/nr1233775168.html 19:27 nengard chris - is there a way to fix the RSS feed on this page?? http://koha.org/about-koha/news/index.html If you can fix it then I can pull it into Facebook on the Koha Pages 19:29 chris i didnt know it even had a feed 19:30 chris oh yeah, it doesnt 19:32 Khalsa waoh cool kohacon in Plano 19:33 Khalsa would it be ok for someone who knows next-to-nothing about koha to go? 19:33 chris yes indeed 19:34 Khalsa also, why a thursday-friday? 19:34 chris why not? :) 19:35 chris if im gonna fly all the way from nz, i want at least a weekend there too :) 19:35 Khalsa fair enough 19:36 Khalsa sucks for me though since thursday's are difficult to get off, and pretty much all the things I'd want to go to are on the thursday >_> 19:36 Khalsa and most conferences like this are usualy fri-sat which work out better (for me) 19:38 Khalsa Luckily it's only a 230 mile drive for me (not a long ass flight like you) 19:38 chris hmm its 1 hr flight to auckland, 13 hours to LA .. then whatever it takes to fly from there to texas .. ill be pretty tired :) 19:39 Khalsa which is why you should take one day to rest and have the conference on fri-sat :p 19:39 chris heh 19:39 danny lol 19:40 chris oh ill be flying the tuesday or so 19:40 chris the developers conference is the 3 days after 19:41 Khalsa I guess I shouldn't ask for much more. The group whom I'm about to try and help with Koha is in Dallas, so that part at least works out perfectly 19:41 Khalsa I'll drag 2-3 of those people along 19:41 chris awesome 19:41 chris the more the merrier 19:41 danny chris, has that been finalized too it will be the sat, sun, mon after? 19:42 chris i think thats pretty much finalised now danny, afaik 19:42 danny cool 19:44 nengard Khalsa make sure you register everyone who's coming - we need a head count - since it's free we have to make sure everything is set up ahead of time 19:45 Khalsa will-do 19:45 nengard also share that link around so other Koha users and developers see it :) 19:45 nengard so chris - back to that RSS ... any ideas??? :) 19:54 chris nengard: that has never worked 19:55 chris <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Development Blog" href="http://blogs.koha.org/xml/rss.xml" /> 19:55 kados nicomo: fwiw, clay is working on the plone environment 19:55 nicomo ok, cool 19:55 kados oops, meant that for nengard 19:55 kados :) 19:55 nicomo never mind : I'm interested in it too 19:56 nicomo as I'll have to think about the way we manage the french version of the manual too 19:56 nicomo :-) 19:56 kados should be easy with plone as you can translate pages directly 19:56 nicomo cool : so keep me posted, thanks ;-) 21:41 atz jeez, #kohanews is on fire today 21:42 atz gmcharlt: finding GetMarcFromKohaField calls that don't supply necessary 2nd argument 21:42 atz (argument can be "", but can't be undef) 21:44 atz may cause weirdness... including call number sort breaking, perhaps 21:44 atz patch coming 21:45 atz seems strange, but we end up using "" as a key in a hashref 21:45 atz didn't think that was legal 21:45 atz but i guess it is 21:47 gmcharlt atz: "" is legal has a hash key, undef is not 21:49 atz yeah, that's what i was saying 21:56 atz gmcharlt: patch sent 22:33 Khalsa Is the koha 3.x docs ( https://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home ) complete enough for me to use as a base to start from to learn about koha? 22:37 mason sure it is ;) 03:29 Amit hi gm koha 03:29 Amit gm mason 04:00 irma server -m freenode 06:17 mc hello world 06:20 Amit hi mc 07:26 chris evening 07:29 Amit hi chris 08:11 mason heya amit and chris 08:11 Amit hi 08:16 anasha hi mason 08:16 anasha hows you? 08:18 paul_p hello everybody 08:18 mason me good :) 08:21 hdl_laptop hi anasha mason and paul_p 08:24 anasha hello hdl_laptop 08:59 HARE9 hi