Time Nick Message 15:37 owen acmoore and anyone: Please file a bug report for any javascript errors you encounter. I fix any I find, so if you find one it's one I don't know about. 15:38 acmoore owen: thanks, it was actually my problem. I had bogus info in my intranetuserjs syspref. I removed it and everything seems OK. 15:38 acmoore but, I'll file any I run across. Thanks! 15:39 owen I got worried when I read chris saying "its known" that many pages have errors. 15:39 owen addLoadEvent sounds like a very old something from dev_week 15:57 atz_ owen: it really was just some bogus stuff in intranetuserjs that got seeded into sysprefs 15:57 atz_ i end up cleaning it from most of our clients setups 16:01 acmoore I removed it from my set up ages ago, but I rebuild my development database from a "known good copy" occasionally. Apparently, it's "known bad" now. 21:40 acmoore_ If I turn on 'warnings' in C4::Biblio, I get a ton of "subroutine redefined" warnings. Is that because of circular dependencies between the C4 modules? 21:40 chris yep 21:40 acmoore_ lovely. 21:41 chris it actually isnt that 'hard' to fix, but it will be time consuming :( 21:42 acmoore was that for koha? 21:42 chris nope, another project 21:43 chris i think with koha tons of things have use C4::Biblio 21:43 chris including probably most all of the things that C4::Biblio uses :) 21:47 acmoore I count 14 C4:/*.pm modules that use it. I'd like to be able to remove the single one that is causing the problem, but I have a feeling that this is the type of problem that grows larger and more painful the longer you look into it. 21:49 chris yep 21:50 chris there will most likely be a function that it needs in there, so you cant just remove the use 21:53 acmoore it seems like something like C4::Koha or something could 'use' all of these modules, and then they wouldn't have to use each other. But, then, they wouldn't really be independently usable. 21:53 chris *nod* 21:54 chris and if C4::Koha used C4::Biblio 21:54 chris and C4::Biblio used C4::Koha .. back where we started ;) 21:54 acmoore I didn't figure that the second part was necessary. 21:55 chris more likely 21:55 chris C4::Koha uses C4::Biblio 21:55 chris C4::Biblio uses C4::Item 21:55 chris C4::Item uses C4::Koha (to make use of something else) 21:56 acmoore yeah, I figured that with the change, none of them would use C4::Koha either. 21:57 chris my guess would be that C4::Biblio would need to use C4::Koha to get to some functions it needs 21:57 chris but that C4::Koha would need to use C4::Biblio to provide functions to things like C4::Search 21:57 acmoore that was the "not independently usable" part. 21:57 chris if that makes sense 21:58 chris yep 21:58 chris whiteboard ans some time is what you need 21:58 chris draw out the dependencies, and get rid of the circular ones 21:58 acmoore I can't think of anything that would need to use C4::Biblio (or any other module) and not need to use C4::Koha. 21:59 chris no thats fine 21:59 chris as long as C4::Biblio doesnt use C4::Koha 21:59 acmoore yeah. 21:59 acmoore but, I don't think I'm about to make this change, at least now. 21:59 chris *nod* 22:02 ryan anyone know offhand where UPC is stored in MARC21 ? 22:03 chris i dont even know what UPC is :) 22:03 gmcharlt ryan: closed is EAN in 024 22:04 gmcharlt closest, even 22:04 gmcharlt chris: do you know what an EAN is? ;) 22:04 chris only in the context of barcodes 22:04 gmcharlt well, that's what it is 22:04 chris ah right 22:06 ryan ah, 024 with ind1=1 22:07 acmoore holy cow. I commented out 3 arbitrary 'use' statements from C4::Biblio and it doesn't complain aboutredefined subs or undefined subs and it appears to work. I wonder if I stumbled upon a reasonable soliution. 22:07 ryan i see danny's recent patch looks at ind1 = '3' to mean ean , but loc says that means 'International Article Number ' 22:08 ryan is ean == ian ? 22:08 gmcharlt acmoore: we should be so lucky - hope that survives detailed testing 22:08 chris only if Europe is the new world ryan :) 22:09 ryan looks like yes , according to oclc... 3 International Article Number (EAN) 22:10 gmcharlt ryan: yes, 024.3 = EAN 22:12 ryan gmcharlt: thx for confirmation 22:13 chris awesome Europe now = International .. that makes life easier :) 22:13 ryan chris: i thought america was the new world "/ 22:13 chris seems you have been replaced :) 22:15 chris ryan: are you over in the new offices? 22:17 ryan chris: no, actually movers are coming to the athens office tomorrow to load up. 22:17 chris ahh cool 22:17 chris am i right in remembering easton is the area that has the huge shopping mall thing? 22:21 ryan yep -- they call it a 'town centre', basically a mallified little town. 22:21 ryan or a townified big mall? 22:21 chris :) 22:23 gmcharlt chris: an example of the beast: http://www.townoftioga.com/ 22:24 chris ahhh 22:25 chris or even http://eastontowncenter.com/ 22:26 chris looking very festive 22:26 kados http://liblime.com/about/locations 22:26 kados there's a snapshot of the new office 22:26 chris you guys certainly dont do half measures when it comes to holidays ;-) 22:26 kados those three windows are our new board room 22:27 kados and the upstairs area window on the slanted roof is gonna be Sara's room IIRC 22:27 chris ohh cool looking building 22:27 kados though we're still divvying stuff out 22:27 ryan yeah, this developer builds similar malls all round the country, with the same core retailers. 22:28 chris close to home, far from ordinary :) 22:28 chris you sure as hell arent going to be short of places to eat 22:28 chris http://eastontowncenter.com/Dining.aspx 22:28 kados yea, it's like downtown Wellington :-) 22:29 kados well, probably less Indian resturaunts though ... /me recalls some good eateries in NZ 22:29 chris more mexican though 22:29 chris it balances out :) 22:29 kados heh 22:30 kados wow, that easton website's fancy 22:30 chris sure is 22:30 chris the search is pretty nice 22:31 chris http://eastontowncenter.com/tenant.aspx?tenantAlias=4016TownsfairWay 22:31 chris found you guys :) 22:32 kados heh 22:33 kados we lucked out on the space, we happen to be the first space in that building near that entrance 22:33 chris sweet 22:33 kados but it's a much larger building with lots of retail downstairs and office spaces upstairs 22:35 chris spotya later 22:45 Jo Hi there 22:46 Jo Can anyone tell me whether Koha 3.0 can be used for a consortia of libraries, or only Evergreen 22:47 chris no 22:47 chris not only evergreen i mean 22:47 chris its in use in a lot of consortia already 22:48 chris http://www.nekls.org/ <-- one 22:48 chris http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/ thats their koha 22:48 chris there is ckls, masscat, and tons more 22:48 chris the liblime guys will be able to give you a bunch more examples 22:49 chris http://liblime.com/demos 22:49 chris some urls at the bottom there 22:49 chris masscat is pretty huge 22:50 chris like more libraries than there are in the whole of nz huge 23:01 Jo thats great - thanks Chris. 23:02 Jo (wanders off to lunch ..) 23:06 liz-nekls yea about catalog.nexpresslibrary.org... it's apparently broken? 23:07 chris yikes so it is 23:07 chris it was working when i pasted that url in tho 23:07 chris so its broken in the last 18 mins 23:07 liz-nekls yea, bizarre 23:08 chris looks like mysql has locked up 23:08 liz-nekls i'm hoping one of those magic folks at liblime will see this message, they're hosting it 23:08 chris atz,gmcharlt,ryan,acmoore 23:08 chris my client beeps when someone says my name, so that might make theirs beep :) 23:09 liz-nekls haha 23:11 gmcharlt chris, liz-nekls: cfouts is looking into it 23:11 chris sweet 23:11 liz-nekls tyvm 23:11 chris the one name i missed typing :) 23:11 liz-nekls thx vhris :) 23:12 liz-nekls chris* 23:12 gmcharlt [ and for the record, my IRC client makes a gentle pop, it does not beep ;) ] 23:12 liz-nekls hehe 23:12 chris gmcharlt: id be interested what the error was, i havent seen that one before 23:12 Sharon it appears to be back up. Thank you. 23:12 liz-nekls woot ty cfouts 23:13 gmcharlt chris: quoth cfouts, he hasn't seen it before either 23:13 Sharon if it matters for troubleshooting - TEST and PROD went down, but LOAD stayed up during this outage 23:15 liz-nekls maybe something to do with too many connections to the database half of the server (this may be a nub suggestion, I don't know how you have the infrastructure set up) 23:25 liz-nekls that was awesome, only 7 minutes down :) 23:28 cfouts it apparently was a result of accumulated connection errors. 23:28 cfouts mysql 5.0 counts the remote host connection errors it sees. once that count reaches a certain threshold (10 by default) is stops accepting connections from that host. 23:29 liz-nekls hmm 23:30 cfouts if your servers are handling hundreds of connections per second and the db runs for months at a stretch, there's a good likelihood of reaching that threshold, even with solid 1GB ethernet connecting them. 23:30 liz-nekls hehehehe very true 23:31 liz-nekls i was going to ask if it was localhost connections or separate machine connections ^.^ 23:31 cfouts different machines. we actually have a flock of apache servers talking to a mysql server. 23:31 liz-nekls a flock, I like that 23:31 liz-nekls or a gaggle 23:33 liz-nekls soooo.. increase the tolerance for connection errors? 23:34 gmcharlt cfouts++ 23:35 liz-nekls indeed, cfouts++ 23:35 cfouts increasing the hard limit requires server restart, so I'm just flushing the counters periodically. 23:35 liz-nekls cool, works for me. 23:39 Sharon I'm glad we had this channel to come to after 5! Thanks again. 04:51 library hi 08:44 Amit hi 08:44 Amit koha 08:44 Amit hi hdl mason 10:28 chris *sigh* 10:29 SelfishMan eh? 10:30 chris oh just answering emails before be 10:30 chris d 10:30 SelfishMan I'm sorry. Want my inbox instead? 10:30 chris depends how much is in it :) 10:30 SelfishMan about 1600 unread messages from the last 18 hours 10:30 chris i only have 2831 in my work one 10:31 chris yep ill swap then, net gain :) 10:31 SelfishMan on second thought... 10:31 SelfishMan OK, I now officially fear the MARC record 10:32 chris i pushed past fear a few years ago 10:32 chris i just loathe them now :) 10:32 SelfishMan I was that way before I started dealing with them and now I'm traumatized 10:32 chris heh 10:33 chris right, i need to be awake in 7 hours to go to work, i probably should hit the hay 10:33 SelfishMan sleep well then 10:33 kf g 10:33 kf sleep well chris 10:33 chris good luck not going mental looking at MARC 10:34 SelfishMan The scary thing is they are fluid and natural for me to read now and about as much fun as reading a phone book 10:35 kf im not there yet 10:36 SelfishMan I hope for your sake you never make it that far 10:36 kf i have some experts around at work... so chances are good 10:37 SelfishMan So do I but one of them handed me a book on MARC basics from 1991. I haven't opened it yet but I took that as a hint to learn what they are. :-P 10:37 kf g