Time  Nick          Message
03:11 greg          and everything came out great, yet I did not get the databases created.
03:11 greg          I did the Makefile.PL && make && sudo make install
03:10 greg          Hello all, I am running into an issue installing koha
01:10 ricardo       Bye people!  :)
22:27 ricardo       atz: OK, thanks for the info. I think I have the same problem with a NoZebra installation, but I still have to test it in other machine, to be more sure
22:26 atz           afaict
22:26 atz           would only affect zebra
22:26 ricardo       atz: Ah... Sorry. There's NO solution yet, right?
22:25 ricardo       atz: Do you know if the problem and solution is applicable to both MARC21 / UNIMARC and Zebra / NoZebra ("gotta" love all those possible combinations for testing / debugging  ;-)
22:24 atz           yes, in the past week or so
22:24 ricardo       atz: OK. Independently discovered by both of them, I assume
22:24 atz           same idea
22:23 ricardo       http://www.nabble.com/Limits-are-killing-the-search-tc19336170.html
22:23 ricardo       Limits are killing the search
22:23 ricardo       There's the post from Beda Skuzics:
22:21 ricardo       atz: OK, thanks
22:21 atz           ricardo: not sure.
22:20 ricardo       atz: Are they buggy in 3.0 Final or just in some development version after 3.0 Final?
22:20 atz           item type adv. search
22:20 atz           ricardo: yeah, for a while they didn't display.  display is now fixed.  but they don't work.
22:20 ricardo       Is this a follow-up to a Beda's post (searching URL...)
22:20 ricardo       http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2599
22:19 ricardo       Bug 2599 - Search limits not working
22:19 ricardo       gmcharlt: Changing a bit subject, I have noticed a Bug Report from Beverly Church from LibLime:
22:16 Amit          thanx
22:16 ricardo       gmcharlt: OK, thanks
22:16 Amit          i m comfortable on perl debugging
22:15 Amit          yes
22:15 gmcharlt      or reproduce call to the C4::Search APIs in a little command-line script and step through with Perl debugger
22:15 gmcharlt      ricardo: good old fashioned warn statements and examine apache log
22:13 ricardo       atz / hdl / gmcharlt: What would be a good way for Amit to try to debug code in opac-search.pl / Search.pm ?
21:43 atz           nd at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi/HTML/Template/Pro.pm line 191., referer: http://openlx.in/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl
21:43 atz           [Sat Sep 13 03:01:42 2008] [error] [client 210.211.166.62] [Sat Sep 13 03:01:42 2008] opac-search.pl: PARAM:LOOP:next_loop:hash pointer was expected but not fou
21:43 atz           error from log is:
21:39 hdl           It is really odd noone else has this problem.
21:38 hdl           shows.
21:38 hdl           but the record whos fine in yaz-client.
21:38 hdl           availability is taken out of record.
21:37 gmcharlt      atz: there've been a number of bugfixes between those versions
21:37 atz           gmcharlt:  Amit's version of zebra is 2.0.8.  Any idea if anything significant has changed between that and 2.0.22 ?
21:36 Amit          in availibility
21:36 Amit          show all branches
21:36 Amit          it work fine
21:36 Amit          but i seen howard library catalog
21:36 Amit          ok
21:36 ricardo       Amit: Right  :(
21:34 Amit          but problem remain same
21:34 Amit          and in another machine
21:34 Amit          box
21:34 Amit          in my debian
21:34 ricardo       Amit: Right. OK
21:34 Amit          last one form hdl
21:34 Amit          yes
21:33 ricardo       Amit: Are you now using the latest DEVELOPMENT version (available from "git")?
21:29 Amit          this is problem in case of stable version of koha
21:29 Amit          it would work fine
21:29 ricardo       Amit: You're welcome.
21:29 Amit          in beta version
21:29 Amit          one thing more
21:28 Amit          ok thanx
21:28 Amit          i m right
21:28 Amit          ok
21:27 ricardo       ...a grep for "Copies available" is a good start?  :-/
21:27 ricardo       Amit: I have to admit that I can't help you much. That output looks correct, but I don't use Zebra myself. I tried to use Zebra in an early Beta version of Koha, but had some problems and disabled Zebra. That also ended up having some problems, but I was able to work around them, with some useful info from Paul Poulain and Galen Charlton. Next step would probably be to debug the code. Maybe...
21:15 Amit          this is the output
21:15 Amit          ====================
21:15 Amit          CLEANING
21:15 Amit          ====================
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4132) [log] zebra_stop: 0.32 0.00 0.00
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4132) [log] cache_fname = /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow/cache
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4132) [log] enabling shadow spec=/var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow:4G
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4132) [log] Loaded filter module /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules/mod-grs-xml.so
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4132) [log] Loaded filter module /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules/mod-grs-marc.so
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4132) [log] Loaded filter module /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules/mod-text.so
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4132) [log] Loaded filter module /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules/mod-safari.so
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4132) [log] Loaded filter module /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules/mod-alvis.so
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4132) [log] Loaded filter module /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules/mod-grs-regx.so
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4132) [log] zebra_start 2.0.8 /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] zebra_stop: 0.52 0.07 0.01
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] Records: 2 i/u/d 2/0/0
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] key_block_create t=1
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] Insertions           800
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] Deletions              0
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] Updates                0
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] Distinct words       800
21:14 Amit          02:29:14-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] Iterations          3538
21:14 Amit          02:29:13-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] finished section 1
21:14 Amit          02:29:13-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] writing section 1
21:14 Amit          02:29:13-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] sorting section 1
21:14 Amit          02:29:13-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] add grs.marcxml.record /tmp/ZPFvk3XrS6/biblio/exported_records 1299
21:14 Amit          02:29:13-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] key_block_create t=1
21:10 Amit          02:29:13-13/09 zebraidx(4129) [log] add grs.marcxml.record /tmp/ZPFvk3XrS6/biblio/exported_records 0
21:05 atz           what output did you get from rebuild_zebra.pl ?
21:02 Amit          zebra
21:02 Amit          u mean tosay
21:01 atz           Amit: i think this is only a problem with the index
21:01 Amit          this is my thinking
21:01 Amit          module
21:01 Amit          problem in  Search.pm
21:01 Amit          what do u think
21:01 Amit          ok
21:00 ricardo       Amit: OK. Thanks (I'm afraid I can't check the usage for that right now. I have to start a Virtual Machine for that)
20:59 Amit          [root@localhost migration_tools]# ./rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -a
20:59 ricardo       Amit: Yes, for rebuilding.
20:59 Amit          for rebulding
20:58 ricardo       Amit: OK. Thanks. And you have also rebuilt zebra indexes, right? What command did you use?
20:58 Amit          this is after rebuilding the zebra
20:58 Amit          2 rows in set (0.00 sec)
20:58 Amit          +---------------+------------+
20:58 Amit          | WL            | WL         |
20:58 Amit          | EL            | EL         |
20:58 Amit          +---------------+------------+
20:58 Amit          | holdingbranch | homebranch |
20:58 Amit          ---------------+------------+
20:58 Amit          output is this
20:58 Amit          2 rows in set (0.00 sec)
20:58 Amit          +---------------+------------+
20:58 Amit          | WL            | WL         |
20:58 Amit          | EL            | EL         |
20:58 Amit          +---------------+------------+
20:58 Amit          | holdingbranch | homebranch |
20:58 Amit          +---------------+------------+
20:58 gmcharlt      atz: yes
20:57 Amit          ok
20:57 Amit          i have already done
20:57 ricardo       select holdingbranch , homebranch from items where biblionumber = 1;
20:57 ricardo       Amit: No. That's not what I meant. He asked you to (1) rebuild zebra-indexes  and (2) see the output of a SQL command
20:57 Amit          others are not shown
20:57 Amit          only one
20:57 chris         looks like a very good meeting
20:57 Amit          not shown branches
20:56 Amit          but in my koha
20:56 Amit          there is no bug
20:56 Amit          his koha is work fine
20:56 Amit          mason james say
20:56 ricardo       Sorry
20:56 Amit          yes
20:56 atz           (for availability info)
20:56 ricardo       Amit: Where?
20:56 atz           gmcharlt: does the hits page draw from zebra index?
20:55 Amit          sory
20:55 Amit          he has
20:54 hdl           Amit : I only see one Location column.
20:54 Amit          yes
20:54 ricardo       Amit: Mason James asked you a question in that same Bug web page :
20:54 chris         gmcharlt: cool :) nope havent changed my mind
20:53 atz           that's rather odd
20:53 Amit          this is the problem
20:53 Amit          yes
20:53 ricardo       atz: Got it. In the search results page the availability line for that book only reads"Availability:  Copies available:  East Library (1),"  (missing West Library)
20:53 atz           rhcl: right, click to details page, see 2
20:52 rhcl          I only see one copy of "Building applications" at East Library.
20:52 Amit          only one
20:51 atz           yeah, but the front "hits" page shows only 1
20:51 Amit          but show
20:51 Amit          yes
20:51 ricardo       Amit: OK. "Building applications with the Linux standard base" has two copies. One in "East Library" and the other one in "West Library". Right?
20:50 gmcharlt      chris: if you've changed your mind, let us know
20:50 Amit          ok
20:50 gmcharlt      chris: seriously, you've been named translation manager by acclamation
20:50 ricardo       Amit: I have a really slow access to that web page. Please be patient
20:50 atz           Amit: i assume your actual holdings are 2 items
20:50 Amit          have u search 2 books
20:49 ricardo       Amit:  OK
20:49 ricardo       gmcharlt: Eheheh
20:49 Amit          check bok
20:49 Amit          book item
20:49 Amit          click on
20:49 ricardo       atz: LOL!
20:49 atz           chris: we gave all the jobs to you.
20:49 ricardo       Amit: OK. I have two results (BTW: I didn't know you could do a search just by "a". I thought that would be a "stop word".)
20:48 chris         sorry im so totally late, had a sick kid, who is finally happy(ish) now
20:47 ricardo       Amit:  OK
20:47 ricardo       gmcharlt: Eheh... Glad that you spotted it  ("richardo")  :)
20:47 Amit          check this
20:47 gmcharlt      heh - I deserved that ;)
20:47 Amit          http://openlx.in/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=a&idx=kw&idx=kw&sort_by=relevance&do=Search
20:46 ricardo       gmcharlt: Thanks "Galeno"  ;-)
20:46 gmcharlt      richardo: correct
20:45 ricardo       gmcharlt: I had "followed" the regular "HEAD" in git. So, I'm guessing that I do NOT have to change anything in my git configuration to follow "master". Right?
20:44 ricardo       paul_: Understood. Thanks
20:43 paul_         (as all are pushed in master, and hdl will cherry pick to 3.0.x)
20:43 ricardo       paul_: Yeah... Although, I have to admit that I am a bit slow, eheh
20:43 paul_         except that 3.0.x has no new patch
20:43 Amit          i m setting with ip
20:43 Amit          wait
20:43 paul_         ricardo: you've got it
20:43 ricardo       "master" and "3.0.x"
20:43 ricardo       gmcharlt: Ah, OK... We have two heads now. I see it now at the bottom of the git web page:
20:42 gmcharlt      ricardo: no, the 3.0.x branch exists now
20:41 ricardo       gmcharlt: Right. But that will only happen AFTER creating a (code) branch that has NOT yet been created. Right?
20:41 Amit          i m setting up
20:41 Amit          wait
20:41 ricardo       Amit: Sure!  :)
20:41 Amit          if u give me permission
20:40 gmcharlt      hdl would be cherry-picking from head to feed patches into the 3.0.x branch
20:40 ricardo       gmcharlt: OK. Thanks
20:40 Amit          i wil u show online
20:40 gmcharlt      for most stuff
20:40 Amit          ok give me one min
20:40 ricardo       hdl / gmcharlt: OK. Thanks. So we are still working only in one branch, right?
20:40 Amit          home and holding branch are not null
20:40 gmcharlt      ricardo: it is
20:40 hdl           ricardo: yes.
20:39 ricardo       gmcharlt: Is "3.1 Master" the same as HEAD now?
20:39 Amit          i have already checked
20:39 Amit          no
20:39 ricardo       worrisome that your database has some items where homebranch is null.
20:39 ricardo       I've pushed Henri's patch for this bug to 3.1 master.  However, I find it
20:39 ricardo        ------- Comment  #6 From Galen Charlton  2008-09-11 07:10:42  [reply] -------
20:38 ricardo       gmcharlt: In the first Bug page that Amit told about (2581), you wrote this:
20:38 Amit          ok
20:38 ricardo       Amit: OK. Let me ask Galen a question here
20:38 mc            cya all
20:37 Amit          http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2579
20:37 Amit          with screen shots
20:37 Amit          and 2579
20:36 Amit          yes
20:36 ricardo       http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2581
20:36 Ruth_         thanks, all.  first experience with this and found it very informative.
20:35 gmcharlt      have a good dinner
20:35 Amit          bug 2581
20:35 gmcharlt      slef: thanks for reminder
20:34 ricardo       Bye paul_  :)
20:34 slef          gmcharlt: topic
20:34 ricardo       slef: Have a nice dinner  :)
20:34 Amit          i will give u
20:34 Amit          ok
20:34 paul_         bye slef
20:33 ricardo       Amit: Just curious: up there, you said you reported a bug. What is the Bug Number?
20:33 slef          dang - switched off wireless and had forgot to reconnect network cable
20:32 paul_         i'll be unavailable most of next week.
20:32 paul_         bye everybody.
20:32 brendan       have a good weekend everyone - thanks
20:31 hdl           gmcharlt: thx.
20:31 nicomo_       ok have a good week-end everyone
20:31 danny         thanks for the meeting everyone
20:31 Amit          for staff page
20:31 Amit          links is www.openlx.in:8080
20:31 Amit          i will be shown on monday
20:31 Amit          right now link is not present
20:30 Amit          i m not happy
20:30 atz           Amit: do you have a link you want us to look at?
20:30 paul_         that's what my wife always says...
20:30 Amit          but i say one thing
20:30 ricardo       paul_: Don't you know that when a computer guy says something takes "5 minutes" he really means "half a hour"?  ;-)
20:30 Amit          ok good night
20:30 gmcharlt      ok, since we've run nearly an hour and a half, I'm declaring this meeting closed
20:29 paul_         I agree with the idea anyway
20:29 gmcharlt      I said *roughly* :)
20:29 ricardo       paul_: Eheheh
20:29 paul_         lol
20:29 paul_         6 months = 33 weeks ? I must go back school...
20:29 gmcharlt      but my main goal is to not let 3.2 go much longer than 7 to 8 months at most, even if features slip
20:28 atz           slef: on a weekend no less
20:28 nicomo_       10:30pm
20:28 slef          yeah, late to be working I guess
20:28 atz           late for a workday, anyway
20:28 gmcharlt      paul_: roughly six months - exact number of weeks is arbitrary, of course
20:28 slef          atz: it's only 2130 here.
20:27 paul_         yw
20:27 atz           thanks to biblibre and slef for staying up late
20:27 paul_         why 33 ?
20:27 gmcharlt      targeting release of 3.2 around April/May 2009 (i.e., roughly 33 weeks after RFC review is compete)
20:27 atz           too bad chris cormack didn't show up...
20:26 gmcharlt      I will propose a schedule on koha-devel
20:26 atz           this has been a pretty good meeting.
20:26 ricardo       gmcharlt: OK. Thanks for the info
20:26 ricardo       s/shedules/schedules
20:26 gmcharlt      release manager
20:25 ricardo       acmoore: Agreed. The problem will be to decide on what features to CUT / MOVE to the next version, when the shedules start slipping ... That's a decision for the Release Manager or for the Release Maintainer, BTW?
20:25 hdl           gmcharlt: ++
20:25 acmoore       gmcharlt: that sounds like a good deadline, and bring up questions on the mailing list?
20:25 gmcharlt      we should not, however, delay this too long
20:25 hdl           So bug fixing is more predictable.
20:25 gmcharlt      shall we name 10 October as a date for finishing internal review of the RFCs
20:24 hdl           acmoore: the fact is that features are freezed.
20:24 atz           it should be manageable with the flow of patches towards maintenance
20:24 paul_         2.2.0 => 2.2.9
20:24 gmcharlt      given that some 3.2 feature work will necessarily be starting now
20:24 paul_         one RMaint every quarter
20:24 paul_         acmoore: that's what I did with 2.2
20:24 acmoore       hdl: I'm excited that you're looking to do calendar based releases, as opposed to "whenever we need one" or "whenver we're ready".
20:24 ricardo       atz: Yes, that's true ("term gets used both ways")
20:24 atz           that sounds like a good schedule
20:23 atz            the term gets used both ways... confusingly
20:23 hdl           2 per month would be a nightmare with all translations and stuff.
20:23 nicomo_       ;-)
20:23 nicomo_       every other month is a nice work around
20:23 ricardo       paul_: *nod*
20:23 hdl           Sorry.
20:23 paul_         which is a little bit too much :D
20:23 acmoore       atz: I had the same question. "semimonthly"?
20:23 paul_         right. Bi monthly means 2 per months.
20:22 atz           hdl: just clarifying that you don't mean 2 per month
20:22 ricardo       hdl / gmcharlt : OK, Thanks  :)
20:22 gmcharlt      ricardo: sorry, LibLime
20:22 hdl           LibLime
20:22 hdl           Is that too few ?
20:22 ricardo       gmcharlt: "LL"?
20:22 gmcharlt      but LL, at least, does have to get started coding 3.2 features
20:22 atz           6/year ?
20:21 hdl           I will try to release minor versions on bimonthly base.
20:21 ricardo       atz: Right... But that's what I mean by "stabilization": fixing Bugs in Koha 3.0
20:21 hdl           it is feature freezed.
20:21 gmcharlt      but that's up to hdl to announce
20:21 gmcharlt      so now that we have a RMaint, I assume 3.0.1 can be done soonish
20:21 hdl           3.0 is beyond stable point.
20:20 gmcharlt      ricardo: well, in practice, most of the 3.2 patches have been stuff that can be applied to fix 3.0 problems
20:20 atz           3.0 actually needs to be less stable... hasn't changed for weeks while major bugs are being patched
20:20 ricardo       slef: I also think your suggestion fits in the gmcharlt proposal. Koha 3.0 (like Koha 3.2) should also have a "stabilization" phase. And we now are in that stabilization phase...  Galen: aren't we?
20:20 hdl           atz: yes.
20:19 atz           gitweb is the right tool for that
20:19 gmcharlt      slef: regarding review of RFCs - I think that really should be ongoing from this point on
20:19 hdl           So that ppl can test.
20:19 paul_         gmcharlt: agreed that sometimes it's too soon to give details. But the global idea should be possible, isn't it ?
20:19 atz           in some cases, if this had been done previously, some confusion about vestigial data structures might be avoided
20:19 hdl           maybe could be a good practis to propose the patches on a website.
20:19 gmcharlt      that may not be ready for formal submission yet
20:19 gmcharlt      I also encourage people to put up git trees or previews of patches of features under development
20:18 gmcharlt      paul_:  in some cases, that's too soon - but I woudl agree that DB schema changes, particularly major ones, should be discussed before being officially submitted
20:18 acmoore       paul_ I think that's reasonable and I'll try to do it with my features.
20:18 paul_         like "I will add feature XX. This will need new table RR, new column CCC and constraint II"
20:18 ricardo       slef:  Agreed  :)   (Hi everyone, BTW!)
20:17 paul_         I think that RFCs should have (SQL) data structure specified
20:17 slef          gmcharlt: we're finding that 3.0.0 and portability things are enough work just now... can we revisit RFCs after 3.0.1?
20:17 gmcharlt      we should start a discussion of the coding guidelines
20:16 hdl           Problem of RFcs will resied much more in implementations than on specifications imho.
20:16 acmoore       paul_: I thnk that's reasonable if we think that the guidelindes on the wiki are current.
20:16 atz           paul_: i think so
20:16 paul_         gmcharlt: /me agree
20:16 gmcharlt      paul_: that's reasonable
20:16 gmcharlt      to start discussing them on the mailing lists
20:16 paul_         could we say that coding guidelines MUST be used for new code, and SHOULD be used for old code modified ?
20:16 gmcharlt      and if there's anything particular controversial
20:15 acmoore       gmcharlt: that sounds like a good way to make sure that the codebase doesn't stray too far from being stable.
20:15 gmcharlt      I request that interested parties review the RFCs on the wikis
20:15 gmcharlt      so, that all being said
20:15 gmcharlt      and imporve its modularity
20:15 atz           ++
20:14 gmcharlt      is to make Koha more stable
20:14 gmcharlt      besides adding a bunch of cool stuff
20:14 gmcharlt      my overall goal for 3.2
20:13 gmcharlt      that way, we can avoid pushing back the bugfixing to the end of the release cycle
20:13 gmcharlt      acceptance of patches for new features will be slowed
20:13 atz           *yet
20:13 atz           the RM's job will be to prune back features that aren't ready for prime time yeet
20:13 gmcharlt      the stabilization phases would be for bugfixing, and during them
20:13 gmcharlt      I proposed three coding phases, each followed by a stabiliziation phase
20:12 atz           it's best to have it out there anyway, even if it doesn't get completed for 3.2
20:12 gmcharlt      in my schedule proposal of August 11
20:12 gmcharlt      acmoore is right, there is a lot of stuff to do
20:11 gmcharlt      and related to that would be switching to the DOM filter for Zebra indexing
20:11 gmcharlt      and emitting them only for indexing
20:10 mc            carp++
20:10 gmcharlt      and reviving Tumer's idea of moving the copies of item and holdings data out of bibliositems.marcxml
20:10 acmoore       atz: Carp++
20:10 atz           if the C4 modules are reliable, then they should be pointing to errors in the callers script
20:09 atz           I would like to see all C4/* also use Carp
20:09 gmcharlt      including the 'use warnings' pragma
20:09 gmcharlt      there are a number of possible architecture and coding practice changes that have been discussed as well
20:09 acmoore       It looks like quite a bit to get written before another release.
20:09 nicomo        "extending granular permissions" and "management of librarian permissions on acquisition module" are really close
20:09 atz           yes, interesting stuff
20:08 gmcharlt      and I want to thank danny for the Koha work he's planning for the Howard County library
20:08 gmcharlt      a number of circulation changes
20:08 gmcharlt      extending granular permissions
20:07 gmcharlt      system groups, holdings records, and authority control work from LibLime
20:07 paul_         (my provider is probably bugguy...)
20:07 paul_         only 6667 works !
20:07 paul_         gmcharlt: I don't have any access to 80 port, so no wiki.koha.org for me
20:07 gmcharlt      BibLibre's new acquisitions module
20:06 gmcharlt      there are several large projects going on
20:06 Amit          as u wish
20:06 acmoore       Amit: thanks.
20:06 gmcharlt      RFCs are at http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:rfcs3.2
20:06 Amit          ok
20:06 atz           gmcharlt: yes, i think we can address #5
20:05 gmcharlt      sorry, but let's move on to #5 - discussing features planned for 3.2
20:05 Amit          u have already checked hdl this one?
20:04 Amit          but problem remain same
20:04 Amit          and testing only two or three records
20:04 Amit          default installation
20:03 Amit          but problem is same
20:03 gmcharlt      apologies, but I think this is getting off-topic for the meeting - can we defer this for now and get back to Amit's bug after we finish #5?
20:03 Amit          i have already tired in debian
20:03 Amit          holding and home branch both show
20:03 paul_         Amit: hdl has 4 years experience & something like 20 or 30 migrations. So you should consider he is probably right ;-)
20:03 hdl           what you showed me had obvious problems.
20:03 atz           i think we identified that originally, and problems persisted even after correcting it.
20:02 slef          ( http://code.istique.net/?p=git-porcelains.git is git-send-bugzilla if anyone wants it)
20:02 Amit          i have check my sql query
20:02 hdl           have you checked your items table ?
20:02 Amit          are not null
20:02 Amit          home branch and holding branch
20:02 Amit          hi have check
20:02 hdl           yes.
20:02 Amit          no
20:02 hdl           Amit : seeing your data, there is a problem on NULL homebranch and holding branch
20:02 Amit          should i continue
20:02 paul_         + we write RFCs on wiki.koha.org
20:02 paul_         davi: ++
20:01 davi          acmoore, IMHO it is convenient or even needed to use a bug management tool for release under maintenance, but not for branch under heavy development. For branch under heavy development it is more convenient mailing list and chat channels
20:01 Amit          but no solutions
20:01 Amit          yes
20:01 gmcharlt      ok, have you reported a bug at bugs.koha.org?
20:01 Amit          we have multiple branches in library
20:01 Amit          suppose
20:01 Amit          i think
20:00 Amit          i m telling u this is something mistake in code
20:00 Amit          i mean to say
20:00 Amit          with availibity issuse
20:00 Amit          there is problem in koha-3 stable
20:00 gmcharlt      Amit: go ahead
20:00 Amit          ok
19:59 gmcharlt      ok, so moving on to Amit's agenda item regarding the 3.0 release
19:59 nicomo        gmcharlt ++
19:59 ryan          gmcharlt: agreed
19:58 acmoore       second.
19:58 gmcharlt      so I move to postpone this decision for now and move on
19:58 acmoore       davi: it is unfortunate that bugzilla calls them "bugs" instead of "issues" or "work orders" or something similar that encompasses both bugs and features.
19:58 gmcharlt      I think we'll need to decide this one on the mailing list
19:57 acmoore       Perhaps the situation we're in here is that neither candidates for QA role are present
19:57 davi          There is not 'bugs' under development but only features under development
19:57 davi          acmoore, That is good for a maintenance branch, but not need for a development branch
19:56 ryan          i don't find bugzilla to be very smooth to work with for this purpose, but would accept using it that way.  Doesn't get us any closer to deciding on a QA though
19:56 atz           so what is the question before us?
19:55 hdl           ryan: not the task of but under the responsibility of ;)
19:55 atz           i know we often reference enhancement bugs when clients ask for a feature that is already being worked on.
19:55 acmoore       paul_: I'd like to see every accepted patch reference a bug #, but I don't know if we're recommending policies right now or just looking for a person.
19:54 hdl           we can have enhacement bugs.
19:54 ryan          implementing something like this would be a task for the QAM :)
19:54 paul_         hdl: any patch fixing a bug. patches for new features don't. am I right ?
19:53 gmcharlt      I think this is something we have to work towards
19:53 slef          bugs would seem better suited than the wiki for this, but I'm not sure quite how it would be done
19:53 hdl           since any patch has to be referenced to a bug.
19:53 gmcharlt      hdl: that will easily break down if patch statuses are not tracked as automatically as possible
19:53 hdl           or on bugs.koha.org
19:53 hdl           on the wiki.
19:53 ryan          true
19:53 hdl           maybe :
19:52 paul_         ryan: you're reintroducing a bit of centralization ;-)
19:52 ryan          without searching mail archives.
19:52 acmoore       ryan and slef: I'd hate to introduce so much slowness in the workflow. Perhaps I've recommended a bad idea.
19:52 ryan          it would be nice to be able to see all submitted patches and their statuses, why they were rejected, etc.
19:52 gmcharlt      and look at topgit per slef's suggestion
19:52 gmcharlt      ryan: possibly - I can mock something up
19:52 acmoore       hdl: It's starting to look like there are holes in my idea. ;)
19:51 slef          ryan: is that what topgit does?
19:51 ryan          so we will need some kind of patch management application ?  to track patch statuses ?
19:51 hdl           acmoore: should there be a flag on non signedoff messages ?
19:51 acmoore       paul_: you're right. git allows you to "sign off" on a patch, but you have to send it again.
19:50 acmoore       paul_:  you make a good point that this will cause patches to get sent multiple times.
19:50 hdl           bye kados
19:50 paul_         unless i'm missing something "sign off" is only local, so one will have to resend it to notify he has tested the patch, right ?
19:50 acmoore       bye, kados.
19:49 acmoore       paul_: I'm not sure, but something like: mail your patches to the patches list as always. And, if there are unsigned ones there that you know somethinga bout, apply them to try them out and signoff on them.
19:49 mc            cya kados
19:49 kados         cheers
19:49 kados         but I agree with acmoore's proposal, and generally with whatever y'all come up with ;-)
19:49 paul_         have a good flight
19:49 paul_         bye kados
19:49 paul_         when a patch is submitted to patches@, someone test it & resend it to patches@ ?
19:49 paul_         acmoore: what would be the workflow then ?
19:49 gmcharlt      but reserve right to exercise discretion in order to fix breakage
19:48 gmcharlt      acmoore: I'm willing to go with that as a general rule
19:48 acmoore       since there is no immediate candidate, perhaps one way to help distribute this load would be to have the RM not accept any patches that haven't been signed off by someone else. Then, those of us who read patches@ would have to test and signoff things before they get added.
19:48 kados         *nod*
19:47 gmcharlt      for this to work, implies that patches (and patch series) should be reasonably self-contained
19:47 kados         even when 'feature complete'
19:47 kados         that way we'll avoid the problem with 3.0 where we discovered 6 months of bugfixing before we could release
19:47 paul_         ok, I put my idea back in my bag
19:47 nicomo        gmcharlt ++
19:47 gmcharlt      and not wait for initial testing until beta
19:46 gmcharlt      paul_: but as much as practical, patches should be tested as they come in
19:46 gmcharlt      but agree with kados, that shouldn't be allowed (knowingly) to happen too often
19:46 paul_         maybe (and that's what we started with new acq module)
19:45 gmcharlt      paul_: dev should warn; RM and QA reviewers should open bugs if an instability is to be permitted to exist until the feature is complete
19:45 paul_         - at beta/RC : individual testing of each patch
19:45 kados         paul_: we should assume that 3.2 is always 'stable' if not complete
19:45 hdl           (acmoore: I reckon)
19:45 slef          paul_: put it up a public branch until ready to submit?
19:45 kados         paul_: I think we should avoid that in 3.2 at least in the RM repo
19:45 paul_         - at start : coding rules, correct Perl, ...
19:45 acmoore       hdl: thanks. There's a lot more that ought to be done with that sutff, though.
19:45 paul_         I'm wondering if we don't need 2 kinds of QA :
19:44 paul_         during 1st stage of dev, patches may introduce some known unstability. How should we deal with that ?
19:44 slef          I like the idea that QAM is about developing tools/practices to watch this, more than the read-every-line idea.
19:44 gmcharlt      slef: pianohacker has some stuff he's been playing for linking patches to bugs
19:44 kados         and ensuring that patch submission communication is open ... ie, to make sure nothing slips through the cracks without any comment
19:44 slef          and automated linking to bugs?
19:44 kados         and manual testing of each patch has to be a priority as well IMO ... someone needs to be personally responsible for that (even in a distributed environment IMO)
19:44 hdl           acmoore did some good job on that.
19:43 kados         there's also the matter of organizing automated testing
19:43 slef          hdl: yes
19:43 hdl           the fact is that having a list for patches helped anyone see what was sent.
19:43 kados         I think that someone should corrdinate that effort, and that perhaps that person is the QA manager, or perhaps it's the RM
19:43 gmcharlt      but would like a pool of volunteers (including kados) to participate in patch review, testing, and signoff
19:42 gmcharlt      would not be expecting individual contributors to seek out others to sign off on patches
19:42 gmcharlt      slef: the recommendation (or ideal, anyway) for a organization to do internal review would be applicable to those large enough to do it
19:41 hdl           patches who comes the day before release should get hold.
19:41 slef          paul_: depending how you do it, that might cause problems for TTLLP (davi and me work on different bits) and Calyx (who have one publicly-active coder AFAIK)
19:41 hdl           I agree with you.
19:41 gmcharlt      and external review of LL patches, where possible
19:41 gmcharlt      but I also want review of all patches
19:40 gmcharlt      where all of our patches have at least two signoffs (dev + one other LL person)
19:40 kados         i have time, or can make it
19:40 gmcharlt      as far as LibLime is concerned, we can move ourselves to a mode
19:40 atz           hdl: that is true
19:40 gmcharlt      I need a separate set of eyes on each patch
19:40 hdl           But I think that neither candidates could have the time to achiev all the tasks listed by kados.
19:40 paul_         gmcharlt: suggested to have at least 2 ppl signing a patch
19:40 kados         where every patch gets 2-3 sign-offs
19:39 gmcharlt      from my point of view
19:39 kados         atz: ie, not being passive, but active review
19:39 atz           git signatures and community review helped endorse and improve patches sent
19:39 paul_         I think we could/should have a more formal workflow for patches.
19:39 kados         atz: I don't agree, I think sign-off on specific patches is essential
19:39 paul_         atz: I agree.
19:39 hdl           frederic proposed thg.
19:39 atz           paul: to some degree, i think that has been happening w/ the patches list
19:38 paul_         gmcharlt & me spoke of a distributed QA
19:38 kados         I've layed out my opinions about QA Manager in the list
19:38 cm            yeah, good idea, kados.
19:38 slef          cm: thanks.
19:38 kados         cm: hehe, maybe we need to list that on koha.org
19:38 gmcharlt      frederic is absent, and kados is soon to be
19:38 cm            it exists, but nobody uses it!  :P
19:38 gmcharlt      candidates are frederic and kados
19:38 cm            there is one, slef.  go to http://ccfls.org/kudos for info.
19:37 atz           #4: QA Manager role for 3.2
19:37 nengard       slef no list
19:37 kados         slef: nope, not as of yet
19:37 slef          small Q - can someone remind me whether we have a kudos mailing list?  (there are linkedin and facebook groups I know)
19:37 paul_         gmcharlt: no sits work for me
19:37 acmoore       paul_ we haven't gotten there yet.
19:37 gmcharlt      anyway, on to #4
19:37 paul_         (sorry for that)
19:37 gmcharlt      paul_: koha.org works for me
19:36 paul_         could we switch back to QA ?
19:36 paul_         seems 6667 is OK, but 80 isn't
19:36 paul_         paul can't reach koha.org
19:36 nicomo        allowed myself a little french here to explain to paul
19:36 nicomo        laisse paul ils font des jeux de mots entre US et UK
19:36 atz           "tabled" is parliamentary speak... by nature strange.
19:36 gmcharlt      anyway, I think we've dealt with #3
19:36 gmcharlt      paul_: I think you meant
19:36 paul_         gmcharlt ???
19:35 gmcharlt      tabled, shelved - tomayto, tomahto ;)
19:35 paul_         ITYM ???
19:35 slef          gmcharlt: or parked - (tabled has a different meaning US v UK/NZ)
19:35 paul_         slef : thx
19:35 slef          gmcharlt: ITYM shelved
19:35 gmcharlt      and slef will query users groups
19:35 slef          paul_: http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl?user=&channel=&action=&text=&user-ddl=&channel-ddl=&action-ddl=&startdate=1+hour+ago&enddate=now&saveas=&save=save&saved_query=%231+day
19:34 gmcharlt      tabled as far as this meeting is concerned
19:34 gmcharlt      ok, so position is left open for now
19:34 ryan          slef: sounds good
19:34 slef          I'll do that if you like
19:34 slef          I would but would suggest asking kohala and kudos for a better candidate first
19:33 atz           #4 then.
19:33 gmcharlt      unless somebody is planning to volunteer immediately?
19:33 ryan          it seems more a users' group position, or liason between developers and community.  I think it's too vague to fill now.
19:33 atz           i think the question of Kiatiaki can effectively be deferred .
19:33 gmcharlt      I think Kaitiaki position should be left unfilled for now
19:33 kados         (boarding a plane in 10 minutes)
19:32 gmcharlt      hi paul
19:32 hdl           #3 kaitiaki role
19:32 atz           greets paul
19:32 hdl           hi paul
19:32 paul_         hello world !!!
19:32 kados         atz: yep, good point, that would be nice
19:32 kados         hdl: *nod*
19:32 atz           particularly a mutlilingual candidate
19:32 hdl           Maybe someone who has community organizer and kind of recognition in library world.
19:31 kados         would be especially useful
19:31 kados         someone who is actively involved in scheduling meetings, doing promotion, etc.
19:31 kados         i think a community organizer role would be useful
19:31 hdl           I think we need kind of person who could be put before.
19:31 atz           it seems like what frederic was describing in his recent email to list
19:30 kados         so ... discuss
19:30 atz           de facto, the position is empty.  last held by Rachel
19:30 gmcharlt      formal definition, such as it is, is at http://www.koha.org/about-koha/faq.html#faq19
19:30 acmoore       I move that this position be eliminated.
19:30 kados         so my claim is that we don't need one ;-)
19:30 kados         we haven't had an active one in many many years
19:30 nengard       ah
19:30 kados         and ...
19:30 kados         nengard: one of the problems is that no-one has ever agreed to my knowledge on what the Kaitiaki's actual role is ;-)
19:30 atz           the translation is something like "Guardian"
19:29 nengard       gmcharlt can you define that position?
19:29 gmcharlt      is Rachel on channel?
19:29 kados         right
19:29 gmcharlt      the question of the position of Kaitiaki
19:29 gmcharlt      ok #3
19:29 hdl           thank you.
19:29 atz           unless hdl has comment, we can table #2 and move to #3
19:28 brendan       hdl++
19:28 acmoore       looks like hdl has drawn the short straw. ;)
19:28 atz           hdl++ indeed
19:28 nicomo        hdl ++
19:28 gmcharlt      hdl++
19:28 ryan          hdl++
19:28 atz           it sounds like we are generally agreed then
19:28 nengard       hdl++
19:27 kados         I think it woudl be good to give hdl a shot at RMaint
19:27 kados         ryan: yea ... and I'm kinda holding out for the QA position pending another candidate who has time
19:27 slef          damn I'm typing slowly today
19:26 atz           but I like the idea of hdl on this job.  honestly, i think i talk more to him that josh, most weeks!
19:26 ryan          while rm-> rmaint seems natural, i would assume kados would not hold both qa and rmaint.  Is it the case that kados's candidacy is dependent on the qa position ?
19:26 slef          I like that in general.  In particular, I'm not sure about one co holding both RM and RMaint and I'd like to see hdl try a lead role now.
19:26 hdl           new features could add bugs when there is need for debugging.
19:26 Amit          mc
19:26 Amit          i think ur right
19:26 Amit          yes
19:26 mc            only debug
19:26 mc            acmoore, according to me: 3.0 must be frozen
19:26 nengard       since kados is also up for QA I say it makes sense for hdl to handle the Rmaint
19:25 hdl           I am not going in for cherry picking features.
19:25 mc            hmm ... is it a question of merits ? so we're all candidate :)
19:25 atz           that seems like a normal progression
19:25 atz           so, in general, do we want the RM to transition into being Maintainer with future releases?
19:24 acmoore       what are the opinions on cherry-picking *features* into 3.0? are they about the same between hdl and kados? is that a differentiator?
19:24 slef          I'm divided on this.  There are merits in both.
19:24 mc            ;)
19:24 mc            sorry mr presi^wRMaint.
19:24 hdl           not RM :D
19:24 hdl           RMaint.
19:23 mc            hdl for president^wRM
19:23 mc            yep
19:23 nicomo        yes we do
19:23 atz           (obviously josh can speak for liblime)
19:23 hdl           I think there could be bug fixes releases on a quarter or bimonthly base.
19:23 atz           hdl: it is my understanding that BibLibre supports you for this position
19:23 kados         I'm flexible w/respect to hdl taking 3.0 RMaint
19:22 hdl           I have seen many patches sent that should be backported to branch 3.0
19:22 hdl           yes.
19:22 atz           there have been major bugs discovered w/ the 3.0 release code, so the position will have some work to do cherry-picking patching
19:21 gmcharlt      to set up gitosis so that RMaint can push to 3.0.x branch
19:21 gmcharlt      either way, it is my intention
19:21 gmcharlt      candidates are hdl and kados
19:20 gmcharlt      ok, #2 - release maintainer for 3.0
19:20 gmcharlt      ...
19:20 gmcharlt      ..
19:20 gmcharlt      .
19:20 gmcharlt      ok, before we move on to #2, any other discussion about the positions named thus far?
19:20 nengard       hdl - wiki page for now works for me, we can move it when we get a site
19:20 gmcharlt      hdl: wiki for now, I would think
19:19 hdl           applause
19:19 gmcharlt      thank you all
19:19 hdl           should there be a wiki page for Documnetation improvement or on new koha.org site ?
19:19 kados         guess that settles it then :-)
19:19 acmoore       any objections?
19:19 atz           that looks like everybody
19:18 acmoore       gmcharlt++
19:18 Ruth_         ++
19:18 melissa       ++
19:18 Amit          ++
19:18 ccatalfo_     ++
19:18 brendan       ++
19:18 ryan          gmcharlt ++
19:18 gmcharlt      any other candidates?
19:18 nengard       acmoore - i'm all for it!
19:17 acmoore       nengard: sounds like there's some demand for discussing documentatino at a later date.
19:17 hdl           gmcharlt++
19:17 nicomo        ++
19:17 kados         as the outgoing RM
19:17 nengard       gmcharlt++
19:17 kados         I'd like to nominate Galen Charlton for 3.2 RM
19:17 gmcharlt      I am a candidate
19:17 gmcharlt      ok, on to RM for 3.2
19:17 atz           yeah, that's tough tradeoff... valuable screenshots, but not language-portable
19:17 gmcharlt      OK, we've confirmed Nicole as DocM
19:17 slef          acmoore: give nengard any doc suggestions we have - but I've shot mine
19:16 nicomo        understandably
19:16 nengard       nicomo i agree -but they are appreciated by many english speakers ... they make it easier to follow the instructions
19:16 acmoore       is nengard now appointed to that position, or is there anything else to do first?
19:16 slef          I can convert all sorts of things to RSS as long as the basic data (Last Modified dates or whatever) are there.
19:16 nicomo        even though I agree it's more telling
19:16 nicomo        for translation
19:16 nicomo        as far as translation of the docs are concerned, the many images make things more difficult I think...
19:16 kados         heh
19:15 nengard       google--
19:15 nengard       just fyi
19:15 kados         google-- then
19:15 nengard       or update the toc :)
19:15 nengard       just when i add one
19:15 kados         ahh, interesting
19:15 nengard       you're not getting notified everything i update a doc
19:15 nengard       kados and ryan the notifications are not accurate
19:15 gmcharlt      RSS feeds in plone?
19:15 ryan          yeah, i like the notifications
19:15 nengard       and it's not handling the load very well - I keep getting 404 errors for pages that exist
19:15 kados         maybe we can have that in plone too
19:15 kados         though one nice thing I'd hate to lose is the 'notify of site changes'
19:15 nengard       atz - absolutely not!
19:14 atz           i don't think google docs was ever meant to be the "end state" of the documentation
19:14 nengard       Plone will allow us to export as PDF ... and maybe more ...
19:14 brendan       ++
19:14 hdl           (But this is a plebiscit ;) )
19:14 slef          I'd like it if we could use a more portable doc format than Google in future please (what does Plone use?)
19:13 ccatalfo_     ++
19:13 kados         acmoore: not that I know of, don't think anyone on the list stepped forward
19:13 acmoore       nengard++
19:13 hcl-Luis      ++
19:13 slef          ++
19:13 gmcharlt      ++
19:13 Amit          ++
19:13 mc            ++
19:13 nicomo        nengard ++
19:13 acmoore       any other candidates or nominees?
19:13 atz           ++
19:13 kados         nengard++
19:13 hdl           for Doc Manager.
19:13 ryan          nengard++
19:13 hdl           nengard++
19:12 slef          ryan: newlogbot has posted it to the web
19:12 gmcharlt      ok, so nengard (Nicole Engard) is candidate for doc manager
19:12 ryan          i'll copy + slowpaste the backlog :)
19:12 gmcharlt      slef: he did imply he was attending today, and there's no opposition - if he doesn't want it after all, he can decline
19:12 atz           we can revisit it if/when he comes in
19:11 slef          hdl: NAFAIK but I think it's nice to give him a chance to attend like he said before we discuss him
19:11 gmcharlt      ok, hearing no dissent, let's move on to Documentation Manager
19:11 hdl           + Chris proposal seems to get our votes.
19:11 gmcharlt      I move that Chris be named TM for Koha 3.2 by acclamation, pending his acceptance
19:10 gmcharlt      and everywhere else in world, of course :)
19:10 hdl           slef : is there any other volunteer anyway ?
19:10 atz           as long as our European colleagues who depend most on the translations agree, i'm for it.
19:09 Amit          +
19:09 slef          I ask to defer to end of meeting in case Chris wakes up after nightmares ;-)
19:09 gmcharlt      ++
19:09 nicomo        +
19:09 hdl           ++
19:09 nengard       I second
19:09 kados         I'll motion that Chris be appointed to that position
19:09 gmcharlt      .
19:09 atz           i was wondering if he'd make a 7AM (Saturday?) NZ start time...
19:09 gmcharlt      anybody else planning to announce candidacy for TM?
19:08 gmcharlt      ;)
19:08 gmcharlt      chris: are you awake yet?
19:08 gmcharlt      and announced plans for putting up a new interface
19:08 mc            Marc Chantreux, Biblibre
19:08 gmcharlt      chris (Chris Cormack) has volunteer to be TM for 3.2
19:07 gmcharlt      let's start with translation manager
19:07 gmcharlt      ok, on to agenda item #1
19:07 kados         I'd say that's quorum ;-)
19:07 melissa       Melissa of Bibliomation, Inc. here
19:07 Ruth_         Ruth Vargas -- Howard County Library, Maryland, USA
19:06 nengard       Nicole Engard of Liblime
19:06 Sharon        Sharon Moreland, Northeast Kansas Library System
19:06 gmcharlt      Galen Charlton, LibLime
19:06 danny         Danny Bouman from Howard County Library here
19:06 brendan       Brendan of bibliomation INC here
19:06 hdl           Henri-Damien LAURENT, BibLibre
19:06 kados         Josh Ferraro, LibLime here
19:06 atz           Joe Atzberger, LibLime
19:06 ccatalfo_     Chris Catalfo, LibLime, here
19:06 slef          MJ Ray of www.ttllp.co.uk and others
19:06 nicomo        nicomo here (biblibre)
19:06 danielsweeney Dan Sweeney from LibLime, here.
19:06 ryan          Ryan Higgins, LibLlime
19:06 acmoore       Andrew Moore, with liblime. here.
19:06 gmcharlt      ok, everybody who is actively on channel, please announce yourself for the record
19:05 atz           hello all
19:04 gmcharlt      frederic said he would not be able to attend
19:04 kados         kados for QA Manager and/or RMaint 3.0 - here
19:04 hdl           yes
19:04 gmcharlt      and chris?
19:04 gmcharlt      hdl: you're still here, right?
19:04 nengard       nengard for documentation manager - here
19:03 gmcharlt      let's start with candidates
19:03 Amit          hi jmf
19:03 kados         can we do a quick roll call?
19:03 slef          going mobile - excuse me if I PTO
19:03 Amit          ok
19:03 gmcharlt      ok, we can discuss after #4 (QA manager)
19:02 Amit          proper software testing before releasing stable version
19:02 gmcharlt      Amit: go ahead, what's your agenda item?
19:02 Amit          give u give me permission then i say
19:01 Amit          more for my side
19:01 Amit          one
19:01 gmcharlt      ?
19:01 gmcharlt      before we get started with #1, any other agenda items
19:01 gmcharlt      5. Discuss features for 3.2
19:01 gmcharlt      4. Discuss the QA manager for 3.2
19:01 Amit          hi mc
19:01 mc            hello all
19:01 gmcharlt      3. Discuss the Kaitiaki position
19:01 mc            oops
19:01 mc            q/na
19:01 gmcharlt      2. Decide 3.0 RMaint
19:00 gmcharlt      1. Confirm 3.2 RM, TM, and DocM
19:00 Amit          ok
19:00 gmcharlt      on the agenda
19:00 gmcharlt      it's time for the Koha community meeting
19:00 gmcharlt      OK, greetings all
19:00 Amit          this is right there is lot of perl module needed in rpm based linux compare to debian
19:00 gmcharlt      acmoore: easy enough to add to Makefile.PL as a check
18:59 acmoore       I think there are some perl modules out there (catalyst?) that check for this RHEL bug and complain if it's found. Perhaps we need to start doing something similar. Unless it will be fixed soon.
18:58 Amit          try to reformating the server this is right
18:58 acmoore       hi hdl.
18:58 hdl           hi acmoore
18:58 Amit          for indian languages searching
18:57 Amit          this is due becuase i have some editing in zebra
18:57 Amit          one thing
18:57 Amit          sir tell me one this
18:57 acmoore       vipul seems to say that centos 5.2 is affected.
18:57 Amit          yes
18:57 hdl           Amit : you can try and make some benchmarking on your installlation.
18:57 Amit          i think it is due
18:56 acmoore       hdl: I'm not sure if that applies to centos or not. Here's a reference in case amit wants to investigate it:  http://perlbuzz.com/2008/08/red-hats-patch-slows-down-overloading-in-perl.html
18:56 Amit          hdl
18:56 Amit          its response slow
18:56 Amit          but in server
18:55 Amit          redhat has problems with perl
18:55 hdl           what is not right ?
18:55 Amit          it works fine
18:55 Amit          in my laptop
18:55 Amit          i tell one thing more
18:54 Amit          no this is not right
18:54 hdl           yes
18:54 acmoore       hdl: are you referring to the recent bug found in redhat's perl that caused slowness when using code that used overloading?
18:54 Amit          only for koha
18:54 Amit          use debian
18:54 Amit          ?/
18:53 Amit          i think
18:53 Amit          this not right sir
18:53 hdl           Amit : redhat has problems with PERL
18:53 Amit          hi hdl
18:53 Amit          with zebra
18:53 Amit          koha installation Centos-5.2
18:53 hdl           hi
18:52 Amit          but koha software response slow
18:52 Amit          delhi public library uses 12 GB RAM server
18:52 Amit          there is one question
18:51 Amit          Hi
18:20 gmcharlt      hello slef
18:18 Amit          hi slef
18:18 slef          hi all
18:06 frederic      So I will clarify in my email that I'm available BUT to a limited extend...
18:06 gmcharlt      frederic: ok, thanks
18:05 frederic      QA manager role is obviously not clearly defined or can by really huge!
18:05 frederic      I'm going out this evening and won't participate to the IRC meeeting
18:04 frederic      gmcharlt: I'm replying to your email on koha-devel
17:38 Amit          hi
16:54 mc            someone knows how to list available databases with yaz?
16:53 mc            world
16:53 mc            hello workd
16:45 Amit          #koha
16:45 Amit          hi
15:44 eric          wish me luck! :)
15:43 eric          I'll give it a try and let you know.
15:42 eric          ok, it still this problem.  Is that the only one? (I don't tell that it is simple to fix, though)
15:41 paul          (libxml ?)
15:41 paul          (expat ?)
15:41 paul          a library that can't be installed on windows
15:40 eric          Anybody knows what are the remaining problems of the Windows version?
15:40 eric          Is there someone looking to make the Win32 version works?
15:39 paul          yep.
15:39 gmcharlt      hopefully less quiet in a few hours :)
15:38 paul          (and very very busy for us...)
15:38 paul          very quiet chanel those days...
15:38 gmcharlt      hi paul
15:38 paul          hi gmcharlt
15:38 gmcharlt      Kyle
15:38 paul          eric: afaik, it doesn't work & won't work, unless you use the VMWARE provided by dont-remember-who
15:36 eric          I found this link http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:installation:win32:koha_3_win32_installer_project, last update: 2008/01/30
15:33 eric          hi everyone.  Is there a place where we can see the status of Koha 3 for Windows?
13:59 Amit          ok sir
13:59 acmoore       Amit: it's OK. I'm not waiting on your document or anything. Send it in whenver you get to it.
12:05 danny         morning #koha, hey Amit
12:03 Amit          hi danny