Time  Nick         Message
12:57 Roberto      Anyone available for installation help?
12:58 Roberto      More specifically, for an error encountered?
13:09 atz_         Roberto: what error?
13:10 Roberto      Ah!  Someone is awake!
13:10 Roberto      Here it is: invalid type argument of ‘unary *’
13:10 Amit         yes
13:10 danny        hello #koha
13:10 Amit         tell me
13:10 Amit         i amit from india
13:10 Roberto      It's during the "install Event" part of CPAN
13:11 Amit         then
13:11 atz_         Roberto: never seen that one...
13:12 Roberto      Could be I'm missing a dependency of some sort, but so far, I've followed the Debian-related installation instructions exactly.
13:12 Roberto      Then again, the documentation doesn't seem to be very current, since the instructions say Koha 2.2 and Debian Sarge.
13:13 atz_         you might try a manual process for that module, or look for a debian packaged binary
13:13 Amit         i am installed koha on RHEL
13:13 Amit         sory for that debian
13:13 Amit         i have no idea on debian
13:14 Roberto      atz, that would be great if I had any idea what it was or how it fit in, but I don't.  Wait.....
13:14 Roberto      Let me see if this is any different...
13:15 Roberto      I've been following the documentation from the kohadocs site...
13:16 atz_         INSTALL.debian should be the most current
13:16 Roberto      Since I still had to install Debian on this machine, anyway, I had followed the directions exactly, making sure I still had all the Debian things right.
13:16 atz_         the binary package for Event would be libevent-perl, i think
13:16 Roberto      I had not downloaded Koha yet, but have since done so, and just discovered the INSTALL,Debian file you just mentioned.
13:17 Roberto      Let me see if THOSE instructions help any more than the ones on the web.
13:18 atz_         Amit: you will want to use the same file: INSTALL.debian
13:19 Amit         hey atz i am on RHEL
13:19 Amit         not on debian
13:19 acmoore      Roberto: where are the instructions for koha 2.2 and Sarge that you followed at first? I'd like to get those removed.
13:21 Roberto      AC, those are the ones under "English" in the "Installation" section at kohadocs
13:21 Roberto      http://www.kohadocs.org/Installing_Koha_on_Debian_sarge.html
13:22 Roberto      There was nothing more current at kohadocs.org
13:24 acmoore      Roberto: thanks.
13:26 atz_         Amit: you may want to use the INSTALL.fedora7 document then
13:26 Amit         no
13:27 Amit         i have not studies any install documentation
13:27 Amit         like fedora
13:27 Amit         i already installed step by step
13:28 Amit         like koha-2.2.5 to koha-3 stable
13:32 Roberto      Should I be at all concerned that, during the step to install the debian-backports-keyring, it said it could not be authenticated?
13:35 atz_         Roberto: not sure on that one... probably not a big deal
13:35 acmoore      Roberto: probably not. I think that the keyring is the thing that debian uses to authenticate its own packages.
13:35 acmoore      it seems like you always get an error like that until you get the debian keys on your keyring or something like that.
13:36 Roberto      That was my guess.  Just checking.
13:39 Roberto      Here's an off-the-wall question I've just never bothered to check...
13:40 Roberto      Some versions of UNIX shells have a "spell-check" feature built in to the "cd" command.
13:42 Roberto      For example, if a directory is named "koha" and you mistype the command as "cd kohs" it will ask you "koha?" instead of just giving an error message.  Is that available in bash, at all?
14:15 Roberto      #   Failed test 'connection to 'test.indexdata.com:2118' refused (10007)'
14:15 Roberto      #   in t/16-packages.t at line 88.
14:18 gmcharlt     Roberto: known issue - IndexData's test server is down at the moment
14:18 acmoore      Roberto: someone else reported that indexdata has recently changed their service, and that it's causeing failing tests, too.
14:19 Roberto      Judging from the rest of the line, it only appears to be some kind of test, not critical for continuation.
14:27 mc_          hello world
14:29 Roberto      Hello, mc.
14:29 hdl          Amit ?
14:51 mc           does liblime tools share authentification ?
14:52 mc           (i mean: i created an account on contrib.koha.org: can it work for bugs.*
14:52 mc           ?)
14:54 acmoore      I don't think so.
14:55 mc           ok
14:55 mc           so one more account ;)
14:56 Roberto      Since our system will be so small, I will choose NOT to use Zebra.  If, for some reason, Zebra becomes necessary later on, is it possible to "switch in on" at that time?
14:57 Roberto      It is unlikely that we would need it, but I would just like to know, for future reference.
15:03 paul         Roberto: you can switch zebra/nozebra when you want.
15:04 paul         you just need to change a syspref and reindex your datas
15:04 paul         (using misc/migration_tools/rebuild(no)zebra.pl
15:29 Roberto      Well, the installation is still going, so that's good.  Just sitting back and waiting, now.
15:32 Roberto      Failed 9/19 test scripts, 52.63% okay. 19/47 subtests failed, 59.57% okay.
15:33 Roberto      Is that because I said "no" to the earlier installation question about testing?
15:38 acmoore      it should not be. Those questions are about a more extensive test suite. Koha runs a small one by default regardless of how you answer those questions.
15:39 acmoore      I'd be interested in seeing which tests failed. I don't know of a good way for you to show me, though.
15:40 gmcharlt     pastebin?
15:55 Roberto      Too late.  I've already gone ahead and run the "sudo make install"
15:56 Roberto      If there's a log that may contain that, I could try posting that.
16:12 acmoore      one problem is that we don't run them with the '-v' flag, so there's not that much information shown on the display. another is that we don't really log it or anything so it can be sent in later.
16:21 Roberto      the "make install" seemed to make it through okay.
16:21 Roberto      Now trying to figure out how to access the site.
16:22 Roberto      when I try "localhost:8080" as suggested, it just goes to the default site (i.e. "it works") and if I try the site name a couple different ways, it's just not found.
16:23 Roberto      Ah....getting there.
16:24 Roberto      shouldn't be "localhost:8080" but "library:8080"
16:24 Roberto      The following fatal error has occurred:
16:24 Roberto      Can't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 84.
16:24 Roberto      BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 84.
16:24 Roberto      Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Output.pm line 30.
16:24 Roberto      BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Output.pm line 30.
16:24 Roberto      Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 23.
16:24 Roberto      BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 23.
16:25 Roberto      This time, I'll wait for your reply, since I can't proceed any more.
16:28 acmoore      I forget what that dependency is called. it's the Z3950 perl module. Is that Net::Z3950 or something like that?
16:29 Roberto      Wouldn't know.
16:30 acmoore      I think it's called Net::Z3950::ZOOM.
16:31 liz          hey #koha, can anybody tell me the status of bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2541
16:31 acmoore      yeah, I guess I wasn't really asking you. That was more of a rhetorical question or something. Anyway, you're missing one of the dependnecies.
16:31 Roberto      Remember seeing something about ZOOM, somewhere in the instructions, but can't find it now....still looking.
16:31 Roberto      Okay.  That's it.
16:32 Roberto      Maybe something happened when I mentioned those earlier errors.  Will try to CPAN that package again.
16:32 Roberto      Should I try the whole...
16:32 Roberto      sudo cpan MARC::Record Class::Accessor MARC::Charset MARC::File::XML \
16:32 Roberto                      Net::Z3950::ZOOM HTML::Template::Pro MARC::Crosswalk::DublinCore \
16:32 Roberto                      PDF::Reuse PDF::Reuse::Barcode Data::ICal GD::Barcode::UPCE \
16:32 Roberto                      XML::RSS Algorithm::CheckDigits::M43_001 Biblio::EndnoteStyle POE Schedule::At
16:33 Roberto      again, or just one part?
16:33 gmcharlt     Roberto: try this
16:33 gmcharlt     cpan
16:33 gmcharlt     then in cpan shell
16:33 gmcharlt     install Net::Z3950::ZOOM
16:33 gmcharlt     if you get the same test errors, then do
16:33 gmcharlt     force install Net::Z3950::ZOOM
16:33 gmcharlt     (and actually, that would be 'sudo cpan', of course)
16:34 Roberto      It's doing it now.
16:36 liz          atz: any info on bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2541 ?
16:42 atz          liz: i've looked at it, been breaking SIP into smaller cases w/ tests.  it looks like the initial implementation had hardcoded 2 week due date to avoid having to check.
16:45 atz          working on it further this afternoon
16:48 liz          excellent thanks atz
16:59 Roberto      Sorry - got sidetracked on a phone call.
17:00 Roberto      Had to force the install.  It still complained about a couple of things (examples to follow), but at least I'm getting something in my browser now.
17:00 Roberto      Examples: #   Failed test 'database creation 'wapkjqcjba''
17:01 Roberto      (several other things associated with that)
17:01 Roberto      # Looks like you failed 11 tests of 41 run.
17:01 Roberto      t/26-packages...........dubious
17:01 Roberto              Test returned status 11 (wstat 2816, 0xb00)
17:01 Roberto      DIED. FAILED tests 3, 5, 7, 10, 13-14, 24, 29, 33, 37, 40-41
17:01 Roberto              Failed 12/40 tests, 70.00% okay
17:08 acmoore      gmcharlt: have database versions v3.01.00.002 and v3.01.00.003 not been submitted yet?
17:09 Roberto      Well, the web installer is working, so far.  Any suggestions on choosing a flavour of MARC?  It may not even matter here.
17:09 gmcharlt     acmoore: not yet (at least, not in a appliable form)
17:09 gmcharlt     acmoore: I have notified Jesse
17:10 acmoore      aha. OK. I was just wondering about the funny use of the database revision wiki page.
17:10 atz          Roberto: MARC21 is more US, UNIMARC is more Europe
17:11 acmoore      perhaps the pending or upcoming database changes should be listed there with no database version number or something like that.
17:12 Roberto      Well, Honduras (Central America) tends to have more U.S. connections, so MARC21 should probably be better.  As I said: we are so small the MARC side of things may neve even get used.
17:21 Roberto      The installation appears to be complete.  Now I just have to figure out how to use this beast - and then teach the people in the school how to use it.
17:25 Roberto      Still seeing lots of references to "Koha," including a logo containing the word.  Since this is a Spanish-speaking country, how do I get rid of that, as suggested by the koha FAQ (since "koha" sounds like "coja," which means "lame")?
17:27 gmcharlt     Roberto: heh - reminds me of the story of the Chevy Nova
17:29 Roberto      Which is actually apocryphal.
17:30 Roberto      If it were two separate words ("no va") it would mean "doesn't go" or the like, but as a single word, it's just another Latin root meaning "new"
17:30 Roberto      In fact, in Mexico, the Nova was a VERY popular car, and people were not the least put off by the supposedly problematic name.
17:32 gmcharlt     Roberto: yeah, I had heard that it was an urban legend
17:33 Roberto      http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp
17:34 Roberto      In any case, IS there a way to change "Koha" to something else for staff and patrons?
17:35 Roberto      For me, it doesn't matter: I'm an American who helps them with these things.  The staff and students have Spanish as their first language, however.
17:43 Roberto      ...or would it be necessary for me to create a different graphic for the logo, etc.?
18:11 gmcharlt     a new graphic, I would think
18:13 Roberto      Okay.  In other words, there are no aleady-customisable settings for this?
19:01 Roberto      Okay.  Tried a few things, but am NOT that familiar with this end of Apache management.  How do I make koha the default page to come up when someone on the LAN just types the system name or IP address?
19:13 hdl          ryan: around ?
19:15 Roberto      Haven't seen much response in a while, hdl.
19:20 hdl          ryan: never mind. was a question about biblio.serial and its management when no subfield attached
19:21 hdl          Roberto: just make it on port 80 like default website on debian?
19:21 Roberto      hdl, I'm not familiar enough with that.
19:22 hdl          it is explained in INSTALL.debian, iirc.
19:22 Roberto      I've tried variations of the ensite dissite commands, that are in INSTALL.debian, but those are not for default, but want a different site name.
19:23 Roberto      THOSE settings worked, but now I'd like them to be the default.
19:26 atz          Roberto: you can't force a remote system to connect to you by system name
19:27 atz          (it can be done, if the system is configured correctly, but you can't make it happen)
19:27 Roberto      By system name, I simply meant that the DNS and/or host files would handle it.
19:28 atz          the VirtualHost definitions specify what apache responds to
19:28 Roberto      That part is immaterial.  The question is how to make koha the default thing that someone sees, regardless of how they actually connect.
19:29 Roberto      Let me see what I can find about VirtualHost
19:29 atz          Put asterisks in, like  <VirtualHost *>
19:29 atz          then comment out NameVirtualHost
19:31 Roberto      Ah.  Well, I've actually done those things, but all I keep getting, now, when I try to point to (for example) 127.0.0.1 is the XML.
19:31 Roberto      (or at least that's what it looks like)
19:33 Roberto      Maybe I'm not changing ENOUGH in the VirtualHost section.  I have the following changed:
19:33 Roberto             DocumentRoot /etc/koha/
19:33 Roberto              DirectoryIndex /koha-httpd.conf
19:34 Roberto      Just about everything else is the same as the default file already was, except for commenting out NameVirtualHost.
19:35 Roberto      Wait....
19:36 Roberto      Am looking more closely...  That isn't XML - it looks like suggested VirtualHost settings.
19:41 Roberto      Well, it was, but they didn't help - at least not yet.
19:43 Roberto      I think I'm just pointing to the wrong place.
19:45 djmaster     hola
19:45 Roberto      Hola.  Que tal?
19:46 Roberto      atz, I found it.
19:46 atz          Roberto: DirectoryIndex is a separate thing
19:47 atz          should not point to your config file
19:47 Roberto      That had just been a guess from other info I had found.
19:47 Roberto      got it working now.
19:47 atz          cool
19:49 Roberto      For some, oddball reason, the settings that were coming up from koha said "127.0.1.1" instead if "127.0.0.1" but I changed those references to "*" as you had indicated, and it worked.
19:57 Roberto      Small detail: is there a way to make our defined library the default value on the 8080 screen, instead of having it say "My Library" and forcing someone to select?
19:57 Roberto      Don't see that in any settings, so far.
20:17 djmaster     hola roberto
20:19 atz          Roberto: that just means that it takes the library from the account the user is logging in with
20:20 atz          that is almost always the correct one
20:24 Roberto      When I log in with "My Library" it says I have no library selected.  When I log in with the library I've defined, it uses that, without requiring additional selection of the library.
20:40 djmaster     hello I have a problem with the module Net: Z3950: ZOOM, I can not install
20:41 djmaster     someone has idea that might be happening??
20:43 gmcharlt     djmaster: is it failing during the test suite
20:43 djmaster     no
20:44 Thatcher_Rea atz you there?
20:44 djmaster     failure at the time of installation
20:45 chris        whats the error?
20:45 djmaster     wait
20:45 chris        ohh 7am saturday for the meeting, that works
20:46 acmoore      chris: doesn't sound like the most convenient time for you, but I'm glad you can make it
20:46 chris        acmoore: i may have a toddler squirming on my lap, but ill make it
20:59 gmcharlt     chris: heh - and I may well have a cat on mine
21:00 chris        :)
21:01 djmaster     This is the fault http://pgsql.privatepaste.com/291aryln1E
21:02 gmcharlt     djmaster: there is a known, recent issue with the ZOOM test suite
21:02 chris        ah yes, its the tests failing
21:02 gmcharlt     a force install should be safe
21:02 chris        what gmcharlt said :)
21:02 djmaster     ok
21:02 gmcharlt     the issue is that a server used for the network portion of the test is offline at moment
21:15 djmaster     wait moment please
21:18 djmaster     This is the error after cpan > force install Net::Z3950::ZOOM, http://pgsql.privatepaste.com/3b1RhR0vcj
21:19 gmcharlt     djmaster: was module installed anyway, though? i.e., does perl -e 'use ZOOM;' work?
21:21 djmaster     everything is fine??
21:23 djmaster     MARC::Record Class::Accessor MARC::Charset MARC::File::XML \ HTML::Template::Pro MARC::Crosswalk::DublinCore
21:23 djmaster     PDF::Reuse PDF::Reuse::Barcode Data::ICal GD::Barcode::UPCE \
21:23 djmaster                     XML::RSS Algorithm::CheckDigits::M43_001 Biblio::EndnoteStyle POE Schedule::At
21:34 djmaster     if I do not speak English, someone could help in Spanish
21:39 Roberto      In a school setting, would there be any good reason to set a patron category for each grade, or isn't that level of division necessary?
21:42 gmcharlt     Roberto: not unless you have different loan periods for each grade
21:42 gmcharlt     you can use extended patron attributes to keep track of the grade levels for reporting purposes
21:44 Roberto      Okay.  Thanks.
00:58 gmcharlt     si: about?
01:00 chris        they are on holiday, snowboarding and such
01:01 gmcharlt     chris: thx.  somethings preventing CGI::IRC from connecting to irc.katipo.co.nz - try to figure out if we're being blocked on the LL or Katipo end
01:03 chris        well from the katipo end, it cant tell
01:03 chris        its just another client hitting on port 6667
01:04 gmcharlt     right, but they theoretically could be blocking that IP address for some reason
01:04 gmcharlt     not likely
01:04 chris        try telnet irc.katipo.co.nz 6667
01:04 chris        from the machine
01:04 gmcharlt     times out
01:05 chris        but you can get to other irc servers?
01:05 gmcharlt     also times out for irc.freenode.net 6667
01:05 chris        *nod*
01:05 mason        ah
01:05 gmcharlt     so probably on our end
01:06 chris        yeah, i can telnet to both from a variety of machines
01:06 gmcharlt     heh
01:06 chris        so i suspect some outbound filtering is going on
01:06 gmcharlt     would definitely explain lack of CGI-foo nicks for the past few weeks :)
01:06 chris        probably some retarded isp trying to stop p2p
01:06 mason        hmm, how to debug that :(
01:06 chris        by blocking high ports
01:07 gmcharlt     given number of DOS attacks on pippin on late, it may be that Clay decided to lock down outbound and missed the CGI::IRC app
01:07 gmcharlt     I'll find out tomorrow
01:07 chris        *nod*
01:09 gmcharlt     hey mason :)
01:09 mason        u keeping busy over there galen
01:09 gmcharlt     just a little bit :)
01:10 gmcharlt     how are you doing?
01:10 mason        getting there...
01:11 mason        wearing many hats!
01:12 gmcharlt     mason: http://delivermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/agenview-by_acme.jpg
01:13 mason        very timely
01:16 mason        ok, back to it..
02:05 gmc_test     temporary test of CGI::IRC
02:05 chris        that worked
02:05 gmcharlt     kinda sorta
02:05 gmcharlt     interposing an SSH tunnel
02:06 chris        right
02:06 chris        bodgey :)