Time Nick Message 08:46 atz_ in particular if you have data that you know loaded correctly before, and can test importing it again 08:46 atz_ i tested it, but could use more feedback from others 08:45 atz_ just sent in a patch for patron import (and related stuff) 08:20 chris or bolognaise if its a meat sauce 08:19 chris yep 08:19 atz_ (can't argue w/ that) 08:19 atz_ probably pasta sauce. 08:18 atz_ chris: what do you call the sauce put on pasta? 08:18 chris seperated by a common language :) 08:18 chris lemon cordial in nz = lemonade in america 08:17 chris in nz, that = what americans call ketchup 08:16 chris tomato sauce is another one 08:11 mc i can imagine 08:11 chris it confused the heck out of me when i first visited 08:10 chris same in nz 08:10 atz_ yeah, in france they use the word in a way that actually makes sense 08:10 mc we call it "faux amis" (fake friends) 08:09 mc US entree = main course ... but not french course :) 08:07 paul yes, it is. Although "cocote" for a prostitue is unused since 1940s I think 08:04 atz_ paul: is wiktionary correct (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cocotte ) that the same word means "Dutch oven" and "prostitute"? 08:00 atz_ so the only downside to cooking this way is that it takes a long time 07:56 paul http://www.staubusa.com/prod_cocotte_rd/index.asp 07:54 atz_ (less famous here anyway) 07:53 atz_ staub is a brand of enameled cast iron. like le creuset, but less famous. 07:53 paul "cocotte" in french 07:52 paul ok, staub.fr helps me ;-) 07:52 paul and staub ? 07:52 atz_ black angus is a particular kind of beef. better texture 07:52 paul angus : seems it's a kind of cow 07:52 chris black angus is a breed of cow 07:52 atz_ stew, chili, pot roast.... 07:52 paul great. Except I don't understand "staub" and "black angus" 07:52 chris and remember in the US entree = main course :) 07:51 atz_ paul: all my best entree recipe's involve the Staub... 07:50 chris i wonder if i can get get a quick flight :) 07:50 atz_ yeah, tomorrow's dinner 07:50 paul chris: yes 07:50 paul "black angus pot roast in the Staub" ???? 07:49 chris atz: wooo 07:49 chris paul: i hope there are enough pain au chocolat for everyone :) 07:49 mc hello koha 07:49 atz_ got a 3.5-lb black angus pot roast in the Staub 07:49 atz_ prep cooking for dinner tomorrow 07:48 chris why are u awake? 07:48 chris sheesh atz 07:48 atz_ almost 4AM here... 07:47 paul 4 at office today : hdl is with us ;-) 07:47 paul hi chris. 07:47 chris evening 21:09 chris hiya cnighs 21:09 cnighs hi chris 21:02 gmcharlt thanks, chris 20:57 masonj and the pearl-jam cover too 20:57 chris ohh so it does 20:56 rex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSXNP4uE4nc&feature=related 20:56 rex wow this one has better pictures 20:56 masonj nice track ;) 20:56 chris heh yeah 20:56 rex in my Copious Free Time 20:55 chris you should start it :-) 20:55 chris nope, but that would be cool 20:54 rex I thought it was some weird podcast or something 20:54 rex oh you mean the song 20:52 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cAbHGZ6F8M 20:51 rex ah... uh... whats that? 20:51 chris rex: i was listening to hawaii 78, on my ipod on the bus on the way to work this morning 20:50 masonj aloha rex 20:50 masonj good good 20:50 rex aloha 20:50 chris heya mason, hows things 20:50 chris hey rex, ltns 20:50 masonj morning chris 20:41 chris morning 18:40 spledger i can't figure out how its supposed to be mapped in the zebra server. 18:40 spledger ok, i have everything working except searching by callnumber. 17:50 spledger ok 17:44 gmcharlt those would then populate drop-down 17:44 gmcharlt spledger: in Administration / Authorised Values, you can add non-zero values to a 'LOST' category 17:41 spledger the drop-down is empty. 17:41 spledger ok, i feel dumb, i can't figure out how to mark items as lost. 17:29 pianohacker real: 0.0001s 17:29 pianohacker $ time rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b 17:29 owen In which case zebra is really overkill, I guess. 17:28 gmcharlt the Gutenberg Bible, presumably 17:28 pianohacker Heh 17:28 owen pianohacker: they have only one book, a you can't see it. 17:28 spledger colorado 17:28 spledger ok 17:28 spledger hmm... 17:27 pianohacker Where do you live, I want to visit that library! 17:27 pianohacker Those exist? 17:27 owen Discrimination against libraries with spotless inventory records ;) 17:26 ryan so if you have no lost items, you won't get an index on lost. 17:26 ryan a curious thing about zebra, if every record has a zero value, it doesn't bother indexing 17:26 spledger ok. 17:26 ryan spledger: edit one item and mark it lost, then reindex. 17:25 spledger yeah, thats what it looks like. 17:22 owen spledger: interesting: so there's something about your data that made Koha think everything was missing? 17:11 spledger i had to turn off the hide missing items preference. 17:10 spledger i got it to work!!!!!!!!!!! 17:07 spledger ok, the staff side is working completely, but not the opac side. 17:03 spledger its highlighted towards the very end. http://pastebin.com/m711f0b31 17:02 spledger i have now found a query that works for some reason, but its only in the intranet view. 16:58 spledger any ideas anyone? 16:53 kados paul: thanks 16:53 paul bye bye world. see you tomorrow 16:53 paul kados: 4 small patches in mailbox 16:53 spledger this is what really gets me tho: http://catalog.rjhslibrary.info/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=1 16:50 owen Can anyone tell me what might display in the "Serial Data" column in opac-detail.pl? 16:50 spledger its got the records in, but still no luck on the search. 16:49 spledger 10:46:36-05/08 zebraidx(22554) [log] Records: 18068 i/u/d 18068/0/0 16:49 pianohacker That tells you that the records did get inserted; does it exist? 16:48 spledger my reaction was a little more profane, but yes. 16:48 pianohacker When you run rebuild_zebra, somewhere in the output there should be something like i/u/d 18000/0/0 16:47 pianohacker Dangit 16:47 spledger same error 114 16:47 pianohacker Huh 16:47 spledger ok pianohacker, still nothing. 16:45 spledger random thought: library systems are rediculously complicated. 16:41 spledger we'll see how it goes. 16:41 spledger ok, i think i got it all. 16:36 pianohacker Then rebuild_zebra (again) 16:34 spledger aah, ok. i'll give that a shot. 16:33 pianohacker You would have to change etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs so that every line referencing 952 pointed to 852 instead (and the rights subfield) 16:32 pianohacker Possibly 16:31 spledger would the fact that my items information is stored in the 852 tag instead of the 952 tag of the marc holdings make any difference? 16:29 spledger yep 16:26 pianohacker spledger: Does this show latin1 for everything? $ mysql -u root -p -e 'status' | grep characterset 16:25 pianohacker Unsupported Use attribute. Hmm 16:25 pianohacker gmcharlt: Thanks 16:25 pianohacker spledger: Ohh 16:24 gmcharlt pianohacker: (most of) Z39.50 diagnostic codes: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1diag.html 16:24 owen liz-nekls: After you check it in and check it out again, Koha should simply display a warning, "This is on hold for so-and-so. Override?" 16:23 spledger "Wide character in null operation at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96." is when the script ended. 16:22 spledger yeah -- its great, innut? 16:22 pianohacker (I love how zebrasrv prints out 250 lines and manages to not tell us what error 114 is) 16:22 pianohacker Did rebuild_zebra print out any error messages? 16:21 liz-nekls hm... we couldn't figure out how... but we're going to put some brains on it, one moment (thanks for the consideration) 16:20 owen liz-nekls: You don't need to mess with the holds, you can just override the warning when you go to check it out again 16:20 spledger http://pastebin.com/m299c7a96 16:19 spledger ok pianohacker, here's my pastebin of zebrasrv with the -v all option. 16:18 liz-nekls though why you would want to override a renewal when someone's waiting is beyond me 16:17 liz-nekls you would first put a hold on the item for the patron wanting the renewal, and set them to first in line, then check in and check the book back out to them 16:17 liz-nekls though I think I just answered my own question 16:16 liz-nekls and how would that work if there was a hold on the item 16:16 liz-nekls to skirt around that issue 16:15 liz-nekls so the solution would be to check it in and back out to the same patron 16:15 liz-nekls ah I see 16:14 pianohacker liz-nekls: I don't think so, though I'll have to send in a patch for that when I migrate my library to 3.0 here soon 16:14 liz-nekls ? 16:14 liz-nekls to renew a book over the limit 16:14 liz-nekls Is there a way to override a renewal limit? 16:12 pianohacker It prints tons of info, but pastebin.com can handle it 16:11 pianohacker spledger: Try running zebrasrv with the -v all option 16:08 spledger yeah... 16:03 pianohacker That's new 16:03 pianohacker Huh 15:58 spledger ok, well now i'm getting an error 114 15:56 pianohacker http://pastebin.com/d4c7030ab 15:56 pianohacker If you do that, search and get an error having to do with Local-number, try this 15:54 spledger ok 15:54 spledger its actually going pretty quickly 15:54 pianohacker Let me post a fix for a problem i think you might have real quick 15:53 pianohacker Hmm 15:53 spledger 18000 15:53 pianohacker spledger: How many records do you have? 15:53 spledger but i'll run it right now. 15:53 spledger no 15:52 pianohacker Heh 15:52 spledger (pls don't say start over) 15:52 pianohacker Have you run rebuild_zebra ? 15:52 liz-nekls think that was where i got stuck as well 15:51 spledger what did you do to fix it? 15:51 pianohacker Database unavailable (I banged my head against that too) 15:51 spledger what does that mean exactly? 15:51 pianohacker Yah 15:51 spledger ok, i see that i am now getting an error 109 15:50 spledger 09:50:10-05/08 zebrasrv(1) [session] Connection closed by client 15:50 spledger 09:50:10-05/08 zebrasrv(1) [request] Search biblios ERROR 109 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @and @or @or @or @or @or @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=32 @attr 2=102 franc @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=28 @attr 2=102 franc @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 franc @attr 4=6 @attr 5=103 @attr 9=16 @attr 2=102 franc @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 "franc? " @attr 4=6 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 franc @or @attr 1=8002 @attr 4=109 @attr 2=2 15:50 pianohacker spledger: Can you pastebin the complete output of zebrasrv after a search? 15:50 liz-nekls sanity and al lthat 15:50 liz-nekls kk just had to check :) 15:50 spledger no, its not set. 15:49 liz-nekls do you happen to still have the nozebra pref set? 15:48 spledger no, it gives me nothing. 15:47 pianohacker Does zebra give you an Error 109 in the console? 15:45 spledger nope. still nothing 15:45 spledger now lets see if i can get some kind of search results. 15:45 spledger i just needed to make the directories 15:45 spledger nvm, now i fixed that. 15:45 pianohacker I think you need to run it as root (or whoever owns your install directory) 15:44 pianohacker Ahh 15:44 spledger zebra claims it couldn't lock /var/lock/koha3/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid 15:43 pianohacker spledger: If you run zebra in the foreground, does it give you any useful errors? 15:42 spledger working* 15:42 spledger it really makes no difference to me whether or not zebra is used, but i do need to have the search feature workiing. 15:42 spledger i cant get it to work with zebra on or with zebra off. 15:42 spledger searches return no results. not in opac nor in the staffclient. 15:41 pianohacker spledger: I have a working zebra install; what problems were you having with it? 15:41 spledger does anyone here have any sugguestions on how to fix this? 15:39 spledger dang. ok, thanks. 15:39 liz-nekls :/ I don't sorry... i've always done a clean install 15:37 spledger any sugguestions? 15:37 spledger i still recieve no search results with the NoZebra setting On. 15:37 spledger ok, its just that that doesn't seem to work for me. 15:37 liz-nekls that I did 15:36 spledger did you just turn it off using the NoZebra system preference? 15:36 liz-nekls lewl 15:35 rhcl I think we need to shoot the zebra and get a wildebeest. 15:35 liz-nekls because 1. I didn't need it and 2. I didn't have time to make it work 15:35 liz-nekls I never had occasion to make it work, on my test servers I always just turned it off 15:35 spledger liz-nekls: have you gotten zebra to work? 15:34 liz-nekls I think there are plenty of people who have trouble with zebra at first 15:34 spledger has anyone else had any issues on the search feature in koha 3? 15:33 nengard thank you!! I was hoping someone would give me feedback on that :) 15:32 nengard ah - got it 15:32 paul sent to nicole.engard@liblime.com 15:31 paul (i'm writing it atm) 15:31 nengard paul - email to where? 15:31 nengard 6. you don't remember what library you're checking the item in for - and it should be there becuase you entered it when you created the subscription 15:31 owen pianohacker: I don't think I can give you a suggestion without seeing an example 15:31 nengard 5. the add item box pops up and now the library field is blank 15:31 nengard 4. you go to receive an item 15:31 nengard 3. you fix and put it back to library b 15:30 nengard 2 you need to edit subscription and it all of the sudden is set to library a 15:30 nengard 1. you create a subscriptiion for library b 15:30 pianohacker owen: It'd be nice if I could put that bit of formatting into the css 15:30 nengard hdl here's a process: 15:29 nengard one is for adding items and one is for editing a subscription 15:29 nengard hdl - no 15:29 owen pianohacker: just from your description it sounds fine. Are you concerned that it isn't the best way to handle it? 15:29 hdl So it is a duplicate with 2470 ? 15:28 nengard hdl - location is branch 15:27 paul (sending a mail to you) 15:27 nengard paul i'm here now 15:27 nengard hdl - kados said to mark serials bugs blockers ... will look at bug and check 15:26 pianohacker The js already adds a 'running' class that dims out the button 15:26 pianohacker That works, but I was wondering if you had any ideas on css integration 15:26 pianohacker Right now, this is done by prepending an img to a <button>, since buttons already have a background 15:25 paul nengard: are you around ? 15:25 pianohacker I'm adding a running spinner to a button in the interface that launches an AJAX call 15:25 owen Yes 15:25 pianohacker owen: around? 15:25 hdl I would not mark it as blocker since librarians can still edit item in order to fix **their** lack of attention 15:24 hdl there is no way to store a common serials itemtype in a subscription. So it is hard to default itemtype to something. 15:22 hdl or is it items.location 15:22 hdl When you speak about location, it is branch/library ? 15:22 nengard yep 15:22 hdl nengard: bug 2361. 15:22 spledger thanks 15:21 spledger aah, ok. 15:16 owen I'm going to leave it someone else to answer you on that one, spledger, since zebra's not my strong point. 15:11 spledger i did, but then after the install, i set the NoZebra system preference to On and ran the misc/rebuild_nozebra.pl script. 15:10 owen spledger: When you installed, did you choose to enable the Zebra indexing engine? 15:09 spledger if you go to rjhslibrary.info, you can see what i mean. 15:09 spledger i can still modify biblios, biblioitems, and items if i know the item/biblio/biblioitem number. 15:08 spledger the upgrade is now finished, but when i search for items, nothing is ever found. 15:08 spledger we then decided to upgrade to koha 3. 15:08 spledger ok, i have imported all of my school's marc records from the old winnebago system into koha 2.2.7 and had them all working just fine under 2.2.9. 15:07 owen There are many people here who will hear your question 15:07 spledger i am having a couple of issues with koha 3. can you help? 15:06 owen Hi spledger 15:06 spledger hello? 15:02 gmcharlt hdl: no (re ISBN) - but Business::ISBN might do it 15:00 hdl I shall try that in order to prevent from some caveats. 14:59 owen hdl: I certainly don't object to the idea of creating the include. It could serve as an example for other areas that could benefit from the same treatment 14:57 ccatalfo nengard: let me check.... 14:57 hdl This is actually both a problem of template design and code design. 14:55 hdl And make use of it in Acquisition/additem/serials-edit 14:55 hdl Get the template part that is displayed for input out of the additem.tmpl and put it in include/items/add.tmpl 14:54 hdl Synch that part of code with additem.pl portion for item input. 14:53 hdl What I can propose is : 14:53 hdl What I propose is : 14:51 hdl (Which is, actually, quite a bad name since it is display for input)... 14:50 hdl But this indulged me into creating a new part of code : PrepareItemrecordDisplay. 14:50 hdl In fact, what I tried to do in this part of code was a reuse of additem part only for input. 14:49 owen Yeah 14:49 hdl So that some patron information are not displaed the same way when getting on different tabs of Patron. 14:48 hdl same for items, suppliers, borrowers. 14:48 hdl For instance, biblios are displayed in at least 7 different ways. 14:47 hdl Maybe having little pieces of templates in include directory, with a good structure would help 14:46 hdl There are many cases where having a popup would be quite slow and not efficient. 14:46 hdl In fact, I would like us to try and settle a good way to work. 14:45 owen Is that something you'd be willing to take on? 14:45 owen I'd much rather have you and ryan working with each other on it 14:45 owen Right now the bug is assigned to me, but I don't think it's something that can be resolved at the template level 14:43 hdl do you want to talk on my latest remark ? 14:43 hdl owen : yes, now I remember. 14:42 hdl Not yet. 14:41 owen hdl, have you looked at Bug 2361? 13:57 nengard i will!!! 13:57 nengard i agree with hdl and i tested again and my new formula did apply to the next expected issue - so the bug is closed and marked invalid 13:57 paul nengard: but it's worth mentionning that in the manual then 13:57 paul right 13:57 hdl And librarians can update the serialseq manually. 13:56 paul 282 13:56 hdl paul : it would be a pain in the neck. 13:55 paul (although probably too hard to code & too rarely encountered to be worthy) 13:55 paul as it would be better 13:55 paul you can change it to improvement 13:55 nengard will close bug 13:54 nengard thanks paul 13:54 paul not the one actually existing 13:54 nengard so it will change the next one? 13:54 paul will update FUTURE expected issues 13:54 hdl Would be dangerous. 13:54 hdl no. 13:54 nengard is it not supposed to do that? 13:54 nengard hdl yes 13:52 hdl Do you expect that editing a numbering formula would change the numbering formula of the expected issues ? 13:51 hdl Can you detail ? 13:51 hdl I donot understand : 2469 13:51 nengard if it's any help - i closed more bugs than I opened ;) 13:51 nengard hdl yes, kados upgraded my install and told me go through and test again :) 13:50 hdl nengard: I am wondering if you applied also ryan's patches. 13:43 hdl where is it ? 13:43 hdl gmcharlt: It seems you designed a way to shift from ISBN10 to ISBN13. Am i wrong ? 13:42 hdl hi owen 13:33 danny hey owen 13:33 owen Hi #koha 13:15 kados OK, pushed 13:15 hdl sorry 13:14 kados hdl: received now 13:13 kados hdl: still don't have the patch 13:13 paul hehe... hdl, I already ask that yesterday, seems everybody knew he was in vacation, except him :D 13:13 kados meeting with customers 13:13 kados last week i was away from the office though 13:13 kados hehe ... I haven't been on vacation for a while now :-) 13:13 hdl Back from vacation ? 13:12 hdl you're welcome. 13:12 kados thanks 13:12 hdl yes. 13:12 kados right? 13:12 kados commit 23b8da277b0a1aa67f0686aa65a9e0d527a3b26b 13:12 kados hdl: specifically, paul's ' bugfix for 2451 : serial recieve & barcode does exist complaint' 13:12 hdl Yes, if you can 13:11 kados hdl: I should revert paul's patch first? 13:04 hdl kados : patch sent 13:01 hdl or should it be a diff from paul's one ? 13:00 nengard paul item type gave me an error 13:00 hdl kados : is this ok if I send you my patch and you replace paul's with mine ? 13:00 paul nengard: choose an itemtype, it should be better. or a branch 13:00 nengard and if i just do item type and sort i get this error: Can't call method "sort" on an undefined value at /home/nce/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 431. 12:59 nengard kados - where is date range in the OPAC? I tried to do a search sorted by acq - but had to put in a search term first 12:56 paul ) 12:56 paul (and items.dateaccessioned is the field to deal with to get acq date 12:51 kados and sort by acq date 12:51 kados just use the search api to search on a date range 12:50 kados no reason you couldn't add it afaik 12:47 nengard kados paul, that would be a nice link to add to the OPAC - most recent X acqs 12:46 kados seems like a simple search to create ... acq date is an index 12:46 paul which is not exactly reproduced by the sort_by acq date 12:46 paul yes & no : the previous link displayed "itemtype" acquired in the last XX days. 12:45 kados paul: can't you just do a sort by acq date? 12:45 kados paul: the RSS feed? 12:45 paul in 2.2, there was a link in OPAC to display recent acquisitions of the libraries. 12:45 kados paul: ? 12:44 paul kados: don't your libraries complaint of the opac recent acquisitions disappearing between 2.2 and 3.0 ? 12:44 hdl you have to remove paul's patch and apply mine. 12:44 hdl or rather. 12:43 hdl kados : it is fixed. 12:43 kados hdl: is it fixed by your patch? 12:43 kados Global symbol "$url_error_str" requires explicit package name at /home/nce/kohaclone/serials/serials-edit.pl line 245 12:43 kados hdl: the problem we have now is: 12:43 paul & the issue is marked "recieved" or stays "waited/late" ? 12:43 hdl But I stay on serials-edit page rather than going to serials-collection.pl 12:42 hdl I tell it. 12:42 paul hdl : did you find a better way to deal with this problem ? 12:42 paul which is un-perfect. 12:42 paul as ryan did : "don't create item, tell it, but mark the issue recieved" 12:42 hdl It works on top of ryan's. 12:41 paul kados: the difficulty was to find a good behaviour when there is a duplicate 12:41 kados hdl: that'd be great, thanks! 12:41 hdl I can send you the patch now. 12:41 hdl kados : I am finished with the bug paul assigned. 12:40 kados paul: do you know when hdl will be finished with it? we'd like to do some detailed testing of serials to 'sign off' on them for 3.0 12:40 paul & not just rebase & resend it. 12:40 paul I should have be warned by your notice "patch doesn't apply" 12:40 paul there has been a merge between 1 temporary patch from him & mine. 12:39 kados sorry I missed it before pushing it up 12:39 paul I made a mistake with ryan test patches for serials. 12:39 kados thanks 12:39 kados ahh, OK 12:39 kados I think it's your patch anyway 12:39 paul yep, hdl is working on it. 12:39 kados 245. 12:39 kados Global symbol "$url_error_str" requires explicit package name at /home/nce/kohaclone/serials/serials-edit.pl line 12:39 kados paul: your recent patch to serials-edit.pl appears to be causing errors 12:39 paul yep. hi kados 12:39 kados paul: you there?