Time Nick Message 07:23 chris cool 07:21 hdl should be 3 07:21 chris how many people in the office? 07:18 chris ahh, that will keep you healthy :) 07:17 paul 25mn to go back home (climbing necessary...) 07:16 paul 15mn riding 07:16 paul coming from home with bicycle 07:16 paul 1st day in our new office 07:16 paul hi chris. 07:16 chris hi paul 03:07 chris heh 02:59 atz_ which would also explain all their blown saves early in the year.... 02:58 atz_ i suspect that's an intentional marijuana reference... 02:57 atz_ the cleveland indians PR info line is (216) 420-HITS 02:57 atz_ lol 00:06 chris ? 00:05 pianohacker Hm 22:39 slef su-erin: I'm not sure but that makes me wonder if your database upgrade did something strange one day. Sorry. 20:46 chris hi hdl and cnighs 20:44 cnighs hello chris 20:43 hdl hi chris 20:42 chris morning 20:21 su-erin after looking at the source install files it's 094. But according to the koha version in the web interface About Koha it's 067. 20:15 su-erin slef, thanks. 20:06 slef su-erin: I thought RC1 was 3.00.00.094 19:32 gmcharlt I intend to :) 19:32 hdl hope you enjoy this. 19:32 hdl wow two years is a big training. 19:31 gmcharlt hdl: we have a holdings RFC in the works to post soonish 19:31 gmcharlt hdl: about two years (re school) 19:30 hdl Is there a plan for getting holdings into Koha and not just items for you ? 19:29 hdl maybe I am a bit jealous too. 19:29 hdl gmcharlt: I was just teasing you. 19:28 hdl how long will your school be ? 19:27 gmcharlt hdl: in other words, yes, I'd be full-time 3.2 RM 19:27 ccatalfo hdl: me neither; I believe I have a koha installation that I can work with now, though. I'll take another look... 19:27 gmcharlt hdl: didn't say that :) 19:26 hdl oh. So you would not be full time RM on koha 3.2 ? 19:25 gmcharlt hdl: starting library school, actually 19:24 hdl you were attending training sesssions ? or teaching ? 19:23 gmcharlt hdl: I'm afraid not yet - was in class the previous 10 days 19:23 hdl gmcharlt ccatalfo : had any of you had time to have a look at what I was working on before vacation ? 19:10 su-erin thanks though. i'll work on updating it later today or tonight 19:09 su-erin time to update then 19:09 su-erin ah 19:08 atz Tags are added in 3.00.00.073 19:07 su-erin The RC1 19:07 su-erin 3.00.00.067 19:07 atz what version? 19:06 su-erin atz: not showing a "Enhanced Content" option (http://shepherd1871.info/export/sys_pref.jpg) 19:00 atz under "Enhanced Content" 19:00 atz su-erin: you configure those via regular system preferences 18:57 su-erin Is there something that needs to be enabled so the Tags and GoogleJackets config interfaces display (Tools > Tags OR Glob Sys Pref)? 17:11 atz *bulk up 17:11 atz ram is cheap... i'd bulk of the ol' test server on principle :) 17:11 atz fast proc, low RAM 16:21 kados su-erin: should be running at about 100 records a sec or so with those specs 15:58 atz we could make a "delete" but it would really just be "hide" 15:58 owen I see, that makes sense. 15:57 atz owen: basically, no. the reason for this is that we need to remember (blacklist) all the bad tags anyway. 15:57 owen atz: Is there no way to delete a tag from the staff interface? 15:52 su-erin importing records into our test server as I type. seems to be going a little slow. The again the test server is a 2.8ghz with 256mb ram 15:27 slef ok, list thoughts emailed 15:22 slef hi eric! 15:19 eric morning! 15:14 slef apparently I don't any more :) 15:05 slef right - I've got to pop to town... bbi60m 15:04 slef there's probably other keywords to watch, but a look at the archives should suggest them 15:04 slef if the mailman versions are sufficiently recent, at least 15:04 slef kados: all three lists need working moderators. A moderation-hold on "install" in the subject line would allow the moderator to forward the email to koha-install IIRC. 15:02 slef kados: link from distribution README, the download page and the support page to -install. 15:02 slef http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel and http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha need full descriptions and cross-link with each other. 15:01 nengard yep .. this is too darn tricky!!! 15:01 kados slef: because I'm guessing we'd continue to get them on the main koha list and on the developer's list 15:01 kados slef: and then we'd just have to figure out how to steer people's questions about installation to koha-install 15:01 nengard the install questions are usually the techie type ones 15:00 nengard slef i like that 15:00 slef nengard: if there is a third list, I'd prefer koha-install than koha-support because I think most of koha.lists.katipo.co.nz's members are users rather than installers. 15:00 kados gmcharlt: *nod* ... or the other issue: people are just confused about which list to send what to and send to all three 14:59 su-erin nengard: thanks 14:59 kados nengard: that sounds like a good plan 14:59 slef nengard: I prefer two lists and actually having working moderators. 14:59 nengard kados okay let's advertise the list more and see what happens - if there is no change then maybe we revisit creating a new list 14:59 kados nengard: I think that's because they don't know about the list, not because they are scarred 14:59 gmcharlt regarding three lists, I'm afraid that if we create a third installation help list, requests for help that go there may die - we'd collectively have to make an effort to stay on top of it 14:58 kados nengard: but I've been wrong before :-) 14:58 nengard kados - do you see the librarians writing on the list? 14:58 nengard su-erin: also here: http://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home/Table-of-Contents/opac/opac-tags 14:58 kados nengard: I'm skeptical that the tech talk scares librarians away, I have to be honest ;-) 14:58 hdl announce is meant for announcing new versions. 14:58 slef owen: I think it's better to find some compromise rather than your "I am a lighthouse. Your move." approach. :P 14:58 hdl koha was meant for users. 14:57 hdl koha-devel was meant for ppl willing to get invloved in coding. 14:57 nengard su-erin: http://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home/Table-of-Contents/administration/Global-Preferences/Global-Preferences--Amazon-com & http://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home/Table-of-Contents/Tools/tools-tags 14:57 nengard enhanced content is under General Preferences and under Tools you want to look for tags 14:56 su-erin nengard, thanks. I'm reading over the 3.0.0 manual but don't see the Enhanced Content in Tools 14:56 nengard hdl - right now all the tech talk is scaring away people - those who don't know what the others on the list are talking about ... i'm okay with anything really - as long as we make it clear what the lists are for and make less techie people feel comfy 14:56 hdl Anyway, would there be a concensus and a choice of a list name I could do it quite quickly. 14:56 owen slef, I think you're more likely to be able to train librarians to be specific in their speech than to try to teach patrons that what they know as tags on every other web site are called "doohickeys" in Koha. 14:55 hdl But imho, splitting lists into too many bits may kill the traffic and benefit of lists. 14:55 nengard su-erin it's built into RC1 14:55 slef owen: it doesn't matter if we label it as RFID - they will drop the prefix in speech because it's such an arse to pronounce 14:55 nengard hdl - there's never a consensus :) hehe I'm on the new list side of things 14:54 su-erin where can the the Tags OPAC module be downloaded? I'm running the RC1 14:54 hdl I am not against creating lists. 14:53 hdl read also 3 lists 14:53 owen slef: you don't think it's possible for those bits to be labelled as RFID? 14:53 slef hdl: let me read the thread 14:53 hdl nengard kados owen slef : about creating a new list is there a concensus ? 14:51 slef owen: the bits added to circulation, cataloguing and tools by koha-rfid 14:51 owen What part of the librarian interface refers to RFID tagging? 14:50 slef owen: what about the librarian interface? 14:50 slef owen: are you being deliberately obtuse? 14:50 owen Why would a librarian, logged into the opac, think that "my tags" might refer to RFID? That doesn't make sense either! 14:49 slef (Won't somebody please think of the librarians(!)) 14:49 slef owen: what about the librarians? 14:49 slef owen: I suspect I can persuade the librarians to call RFID tags RFID labels (as opposed to printed or sticky labels) though. 14:49 owen Why would a patron, logged into the opac, think that "my tags" might refer to RFID? That just doesn't make sense. 14:48 slef owen: unless we prefix the "my tags" sort of tags with something else, I think that's still potentially confusing. 14:47 owen Then we need to be sure to identify RFID tags specifically in the context of RFID 14:47 slef Do we call anything else apart from the sticky labels "labels" in Koha yet? 14:46 slef owen: sure, we can't confuse either community. 14:46 owen But we certainly hope they use them 14:45 slef owen: patrons don't often buy ILSes, sadly. 14:45 owen Since it's the more commonly understood definition for patrons, that's what we should go with 14:44 slef owen: is it the more popular even among librarians? 14:44 slef I'm not at all sure on this either way, but it looks like a possible confusion. 14:44 owen I think the more popular understanding for the term "tags" needs to take precedence. 14:43 slef nengard: probably because "RFID" is slow to say :-/ 14:43 nengard hmmmm 14:43 slef nengard: maybe. I'm not sure of the popular term for them yet, but my two RFID libraries call them simply tags. 14:42 nengard rfid tagging 14:42 nengard slef can't we call that something else 14:42 owen It shows up in "my Tags," but the tag doesn't show up on opac-detail.pl 14:42 slef nengard: categories and keywords seem to be used almost as often IME 14:42 atz nengard: not sure. 14:41 slef sorry, but could this get confusing when books are being tagged for RFID? 14:41 nengard atz does it show on my tags that it has been rejected by librarians? 14:41 nengard slef - what else would you call them? tags is the popular word 14:41 atz no, even blacklisted tags are still in "my tags" 14:41 slef oooh... do they have to be called tags? 14:40 nengard owen - i forget - atz do you know? 14:40 owen ? 14:40 owen Should that tag no longer appear in the list of "my tags/ 14:39 nengard http://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home/Table-of-Contents/Tools/tools-tags 14:39 nengard or at least that's what used to happen 14:39 nengard and it doesn't show on the opac anymore 14:39 nengard owen it puts it on the blacklist 14:35 owen what does rejecting a tag do? It doesn't seem to remove it from my own list of tags. Does it just keep it from being displayed publicly? 13:50 hdl kados++ 13:50 kados it's the translation file, wrong use of % 13:50 kados I found it 13:49 hdl Have you checked circulation.tmpl ? 13:48 kados (this is the Arabic staff client translation) 13:48 kados update worked OK 13:48 kados hdl: no, this is for installation 13:48 hdl This is when you use tmpl_process3.pl update right ? ? 13:47 kados or maybe paul is here? 13:47 kados ? 13:47 kados hdl: do you know of that error? circulation.tmpl: Completely confused parametrizing 13:46 kados hi hdl 13:46 hdl hi kados. 13:46 owen kados, no 13:46 hdl I will tell him when he is online. 13:46 kados circulation.tmpl: Completely confused parametrizing 13:46 kados owen: do you recall an error with the translator that goes like this: 13:45 kados also ... 13:45 kados hdl: can you tell Frederic that we have an Arabic translation of the staff client that has just been submitted? 13:45 kados g'morning all 13:33 owen It's certainly very confused the way it is. 13:33 hdl items should be displayed as part of the collection history imho. 13:33 hdl owen : But I think it is not a good idea to display items for subscriptions 13:32 owen Writing the bug report now 13:32 hdl .... 13:32 hdl file a bug. I'll cope with that. 13:31 hdl I see. 13:31 hdl Ah... 13:31 hdl click on subscriptions and then more details and full viw. 13:30 owen Notice that under the "Serial data" column you see "available," which should be under "status" 13:30 owen http://opac-nce.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=729 13:30 hdl is this what you are looking at ? 13:29 hdl owen : http://opac-nce.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-serial-issues.pl?selectview=full&biblionumber=729 13:08 owen There's a check for "<!-- TMPL_IF NAME="serial" -->", which works outside of the ITEM_RESULTS loop but not inside. I thought that was all it was at first, but even after taking out the conditional no data displays. 13:06 nengard owen yeah - i saw that 13:05 owen The "seiral data" and "published" columns aren't displaying, so the status and notes columns are pushed over 13:05 acmoore welcome back to you, too, newlogbot. 13:05 acmoore hey, gmcharlt. long time, no see. 13:05 owen Yeah, nengard, you've got the same problem I do