Time  Nick        Message
07:23 chris       cool
07:21 hdl         should be 3
07:21 chris       how many people in the office?
07:18 chris       ahh, that will keep you healthy :)
07:17 paul        25mn to go back home (climbing necessary...)
07:16 paul        15mn riding
07:16 paul        coming from home with bicycle
07:16 paul        1st day in our new office
07:16 paul        hi chris.
07:16 chris       hi paul
03:07 chris       heh
02:59 atz_        which would also explain all their blown saves early in the year....
02:58 atz_        i suspect that's an intentional marijuana reference...
02:57 atz_        the cleveland indians PR info line is (216) 420-HITS
02:57 atz_        lol
00:06 chris       ?
00:05 pianohacker Hm
22:39 slef        su-erin: I'm not sure but that makes me wonder if your database upgrade did something strange one day.  Sorry.
20:46 chris       hi hdl and cnighs
20:44 cnighs      hello chris
20:43 hdl         hi chris
20:42 chris       morning
20:21 su-erin     after looking at the source install files it's 094. But according to the koha version in the web interface About Koha it's 067.
20:15 su-erin     slef, thanks.
20:06 slef        su-erin: I thought RC1 was 3.00.00.094
19:32 gmcharlt    I intend to :)
19:32 hdl         hope you enjoy this.
19:32 hdl         wow two years is a big training.
19:31 gmcharlt    hdl: we have a holdings RFC in the works to post soonish
19:31 gmcharlt    hdl: about two years (re school)
19:30 hdl         Is there a plan for getting holdings into Koha and not just items for you ?
19:29 hdl         maybe I am a bit jealous too.
19:29 hdl         gmcharlt: I was just teasing you.
19:28 hdl         how long will your school be ?
19:27 gmcharlt    hdl: in other words, yes, I'd be full-time 3.2 RM
19:27 ccatalfo    hdl: me neither; I believe I have a koha installation that I can work with now, though.  I'll take another look...
19:27 gmcharlt    hdl: didn't say that :)
19:26 hdl         oh. So you would not be full time RM on koha 3.2 ?
19:25 gmcharlt    hdl: starting library school, actually
19:24 hdl         you were attending training sesssions ? or teaching ?
19:23 gmcharlt    hdl: I'm afraid not yet - was in class the previous 10 days
19:23 hdl         gmcharlt ccatalfo : had any of you had time to have a look at what I was working on before vacation ?
19:10 su-erin     thanks though. i'll work on updating it later today or tonight
19:09 su-erin     time to update then
19:09 su-erin     ah
19:08 atz         Tags are added in 3.00.00.073
19:07 su-erin     The RC1
19:07 su-erin     3.00.00.067
19:07 atz         what version?
19:06 su-erin     atz: not showing a "Enhanced Content" option (http://shepherd1871.info/export/sys_pref.jpg)
19:00 atz         under "Enhanced Content"
19:00 atz         su-erin: you configure those via regular system preferences
18:57 su-erin     Is there something that needs to be enabled so the Tags and GoogleJackets config interfaces display (Tools > Tags OR Glob Sys Pref)?
17:11 atz         *bulk up
17:11 atz         ram is cheap... i'd bulk of the ol' test server on principle  :)
17:11 atz         fast proc, low RAM
16:21 kados       su-erin: should be running at about 100 records a sec or so with those specs
15:58 atz         we could make a "delete" but it would really just be "hide"
15:58 owen        I see, that makes sense.
15:57 atz         owen: basically, no.   the reason for this is that we need to remember (blacklist) all the bad tags anyway.
15:57 owen        atz: Is there no way to delete a tag from the staff interface?
15:52 su-erin     importing records into our test server as I type. seems to be going a little slow. The again the test server is a 2.8ghz with 256mb ram
15:27 slef        ok, list thoughts emailed
15:22 slef        hi eric!
15:19 eric        morning!
15:14 slef        apparently I don't any more :)
15:05 slef        right - I've got to pop to town... bbi60m
15:04 slef        there's probably other keywords to watch, but a look at the archives should suggest them
15:04 slef        if the mailman versions are sufficiently recent, at least
15:04 slef        kados: all three lists need working moderators.  A moderation-hold on "install" in the subject line would allow the moderator to forward the email to koha-install IIRC.
15:02 slef        kados: link from distribution README, the download page and the support page to -install.
15:02 slef        http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel and http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha need full descriptions and cross-link with each other.
15:01 nengard     yep .. this is too darn tricky!!!
15:01 kados       slef: because I'm guessing we'd continue to get them on the main koha list and on the developer's list
15:01 kados       slef: and then we'd just have to figure out how to steer people's questions about installation to koha-install
15:01 nengard     the install questions are usually the techie type ones
15:00 nengard     slef i like that
15:00 slef        nengard: if there is a third list, I'd prefer koha-install than koha-support because I think most of koha.lists.katipo.co.nz's members are users rather than installers.
15:00 kados       gmcharlt: *nod* ... or the other issue: people are just confused about which list to send what to and send to all three
14:59 su-erin     nengard: thanks
14:59 kados       nengard: that sounds like a good plan
14:59 slef        nengard: I prefer two lists and actually having working moderators.
14:59 nengard     kados okay let's advertise the list more and see what happens - if there is no change then maybe we revisit creating a new list
14:59 kados       nengard: I think that's because they don't know about the list, not because they are scarred
14:59 gmcharlt    regarding three lists, I'm afraid that if we create a third installation help list, requests for help that go there may die - we'd collectively have to make an effort to stay on top of it
14:58 kados       nengard: but I've been wrong before :-)
14:58 nengard     kados - do you see the librarians writing on the list?
14:58 nengard     su-erin: also here: http://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home/Table-of-Contents/opac/opac-tags
14:58 kados       nengard: I'm skeptical that the tech talk scares librarians away, I have to be honest ;-)
14:58 hdl         announce is meant for announcing new versions.
14:58 slef        owen: I think it's better to find some compromise rather than your "I am a lighthouse.  Your move." approach. :P
14:58 hdl         koha was meant for users.
14:57 hdl         koha-devel was meant for ppl willing to get invloved in coding.
14:57 nengard     su-erin: http://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home/Table-of-Contents/administration/Global-Preferences/Global-Preferences--Amazon-com & http://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home/Table-of-Contents/Tools/tools-tags
14:57 nengard     enhanced content is under General Preferences and under Tools you want to look for tags
14:56 su-erin     nengard, thanks. I'm reading over the 3.0.0 manual but don't see the Enhanced Content in Tools
14:56 nengard     hdl - right now all the tech talk is scaring away people - those who don't know what the others on the list are talking about ... i'm okay with anything really - as long as we make it clear what the lists are for and make less techie people feel comfy
14:56 hdl         Anyway, would there be a concensus and a choice of a list name I could do it quite quickly.
14:56 owen        slef, I think you're more likely to be able to train librarians to be specific in their speech than to try to teach patrons that what they know as tags on every other web site are called "doohickeys" in Koha.
14:55 hdl         But imho, splitting lists into too many bits may kill the traffic and benefit of lists.
14:55 nengard     su-erin it's built into RC1
14:55 slef        owen: it doesn't matter if we label it as RFID - they will drop the prefix in speech because it's such an arse to pronounce
14:55 nengard     hdl - there's never a consensus :) hehe I'm on the new list side of things
14:54 su-erin     where can the the Tags OPAC module be downloaded? I'm running the RC1
14:54 hdl         I am not against creating lists.
14:53 hdl         read also 3 lists
14:53 owen        slef: you don't think it's possible for those bits to be labelled as RFID?
14:53 slef        hdl: let me read the thread
14:53 hdl         nengard kados owen slef : about creating a new list is there a concensus ?
14:51 slef        owen: the bits added to circulation, cataloguing and tools by koha-rfid
14:51 owen        What part of the librarian interface refers to RFID tagging?
14:50 slef        owen: what about the librarian interface?
14:50 slef        owen: are you being deliberately obtuse?
14:50 owen        Why would a librarian, logged into the opac, think that "my tags" might refer to RFID? That doesn't make sense either!
14:49 slef        (Won't somebody please think of the librarians(!))
14:49 slef        owen: what about the librarians?
14:49 slef        owen: I suspect I can persuade the librarians to call RFID tags RFID labels (as opposed to printed or sticky labels) though.
14:49 owen        Why would a patron, logged into the opac, think that "my tags" might refer to RFID? That just doesn't make sense.
14:48 slef        owen: unless we prefix the "my tags" sort of tags with something else, I think that's still potentially confusing.
14:47 owen        Then we need to be sure to identify RFID tags specifically in the context of RFID
14:47 slef        Do we call anything else apart from the sticky labels "labels" in Koha yet?
14:46 slef        owen: sure, we can't confuse either community.
14:46 owen        But we certainly hope they use them
14:45 slef        owen: patrons don't often buy ILSes, sadly.
14:45 owen        Since it's the more commonly understood definition for patrons, that's what we should go with
14:44 slef        owen: is it the more popular even among librarians?
14:44 slef        I'm not at all sure on this either way, but it looks like a possible confusion.
14:44 owen        I think the more popular understanding for the term "tags" needs to take precedence.
14:43 slef        nengard: probably because "RFID" is slow to say :-/
14:43 nengard     hmmmm
14:43 slef        nengard: maybe. I'm not sure of the popular term for them yet, but my two RFID libraries call them simply tags.
14:42 nengard     rfid tagging
14:42 nengard     slef can't we call that something else
14:42 owen        It shows up in "my Tags," but the tag doesn't show up on opac-detail.pl
14:42 slef        nengard: categories and keywords seem to be used almost as often IME
14:42 atz         nengard: not sure.
14:41 slef        sorry, but could this get confusing when books are being tagged for RFID?
14:41 nengard     atz does it show on my tags that it has been rejected by librarians?
14:41 nengard     slef - what else would you call them? tags is the popular word
14:41 atz         no, even blacklisted tags are still in "my tags"
14:41 slef        oooh... do they have to be called tags?
14:40 nengard     owen - i forget - atz do you know?
14:40 owen        ?
14:40 owen        Should that tag no longer appear in the list of "my tags/
14:39 nengard     http://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home/Table-of-Contents/Tools/tools-tags
14:39 nengard     or at least that's what used to happen
14:39 nengard     and it doesn't show on the opac anymore
14:39 nengard     owen it puts it on the blacklist
14:35 owen        what does rejecting a tag do? It doesn't seem to remove it from my own list of tags. Does it just keep it from being displayed publicly?
13:50 hdl         kados++
13:50 kados       it's the translation file, wrong use of %
13:50 kados       I found it
13:49 hdl         Have you checked circulation.tmpl ?
13:48 kados       (this is the Arabic staff client translation)
13:48 kados       update worked OK
13:48 kados       hdl: no, this is for installation
13:48 hdl         This is when you use tmpl_process3.pl update right ? ?
13:47 kados       or maybe paul is here?
13:47 kados       ?
13:47 kados       hdl: do you know of that error? circulation.tmpl: Completely confused parametrizing
13:46 kados       hi hdl
13:46 hdl         hi kados.
13:46 owen        kados, no
13:46 hdl         I will tell him when he is online.
13:46 kados       circulation.tmpl: Completely confused parametrizing
13:46 kados       owen: do you recall an error with the translator that goes like this:
13:45 kados       also ...
13:45 kados       hdl: can you tell Frederic that we have an Arabic translation of the staff client that has just been submitted?
13:45 kados       g'morning all
13:33 owen        It's certainly very confused the way it is.
13:33 hdl         items should be displayed as part of the collection history imho.
13:33 hdl         owen : But I think it is not a good idea to display items for subscriptions
13:32 owen        Writing the bug report now
13:32 hdl         ....
13:32 hdl         file a bug. I'll cope with that.
13:31 hdl         I see.
13:31 hdl         Ah...
13:31 hdl         click on subscriptions and then more details and full  viw.
13:30 owen        Notice that under the "Serial data" column you see "available," which should be under "status"
13:30 owen        http://opac-nce.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=729
13:30 hdl         is this what you are looking at ?
13:29 hdl         owen : http://opac-nce.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-serial-issues.pl?selectview=full&biblionumber=729
13:08 owen        There's a check for "<!-- TMPL_IF NAME="serial" -->", which works outside of the ITEM_RESULTS loop but not inside. I thought that was all it was at first, but even after taking out the conditional no data displays.
13:06 nengard     owen yeah - i saw that
13:05 owen        The "seiral data" and "published" columns aren't displaying, so the status and notes columns are pushed over
13:05 acmoore     welcome back to you, too, newlogbot.
13:05 acmoore     hey, gmcharlt. long time, no see.
13:05 owen        Yeah, nengard, you've got the same problem I do