Time  Nick      Message
12:06 giokob    hello people
12:06 giokob    i have installed koha 3 rc1 on debian etch
12:06 giokob    it works well
12:07 giokob    but their is no language chooser on opac
12:07 giokob    i checked in systempreferances and opaclanguagesdisplay is on
12:07 giokob    what shoild i do
12:08 giokob    please give me some suggetions
12:10 giokob    does anybody have same problem or solved it?
12:53 nengard   hi all, i think i asked this awhile ago but i don't have it documented ... what are free lists?  They aren't used on the OPAC side of things - only the staff side.  are they still used or are they an old feature?
12:56 owen      They're supposed to be wiki-like in that anyone could add or delete items
13:00 nengard   owen - do they work?  on the opac there are only public and private lists as far as i can see
13:02 nengard   owen - i answered my own question - no they don't work - i added one on the staff site and it's not listed on the opac side
13:03 nengard   oh!!! it works if i log out
13:03 nengard   weird
13:03 nengard   okay - bug report coming
13:03 owen      The free lists were taken out from the opac at one point, I think partly because we weren't sure if it was really a usable feature
13:03 owen      It's a hard one to explain to users, since it's not a typical way of doing things
13:04 nengard   owen - bah - just got it to appear while i'm logged in ... hmmm
13:05 nengard   okay - here's how it works.  It shows up under Public Lists on the OPAC and it does allow anyone to edit the list by adding items, changing the title, and changing the sorting of the list
13:11 owen      Right, the lists in the OPAC are only set up to distinguish between public and private
13:14 nengard   okey dokey
13:14 nengard   documentation updated
13:32 atz       the display "timing" you saw is probably due to the session-dependence of the lists drop-down
13:33 atz       if you go to "my lists" you should get the full one every time
13:33 atz       2j68752a
13:33 atz       2j68752a
13:34 atz       sorry about that...
13:43 acmoore   I notice that a patch using Date::Manip was recently reverted. What have we determined was the problem with it? I want to make sure I stay away from it, too, if it's evil.
13:44 atz       acmoore: it was often used in simple cases where Dates.pm would suffice
13:44 atz       i don't know about that once case though
13:44 slef      2j68752a
13:45 atz       slef: yeah, now you know the secret password to log onto my windows VM
13:45 atz       (that annoyingly started up w/ the "Narrator" on today)
14:41 masonj    acmoore: re date::manip, someone did some speed profiling on koha 2.2 , and found date::manip was a startup hog
14:42 acmoore   hmm. OK. thanks
14:42 masonj    so it got moved out of the circ stuff, real quick
14:42 masonj    and got gradually moved from the other areas
14:45 masonj    ah, heres some old irc logs about it.. -> http://tinyurl.com/5k7sca
14:47 acmoore   OK, thanks.
18:04 eric      kados, are you around?
18:34 pablo     Hello all!
18:36 eric      hi pablo!
18:37 pablo     Hi! My name is Pablo Bianchi, perhaps you remember me from movies like "Venezuela’s National Library evaluated, decided to deploy the Koha Integrated Library System" on koha list
18:37 owen      :)
18:38 pablo     I just one to show a software, some popular on latinamerica, for cataloging. Is Very friendly but it works with isis files
18:39 pablo     luckly, is now a version in english, also a demo (unstable) 99% in English
18:40 pablo     I wish to some koha developers to take a look to it, is really amazing, the interfase and all things it could do. The project name is "Catalis"
18:41 pablo     There are some movements to add Catalis to other project named "OpenMarcoPolo", and try to be a Koha competitor
18:42 pablo     Well, let's go to the URLs :P Here is a better presentation and screenshot: http://code.google.com/p/catalis/
18:42 owen      atz, is there a preference for turning on and off the user tags feature in the opac?
18:42 atz       yes
18:43 atz       all should be under EnhancedContent
18:43 owen      I notice the link isn't wrapped in a sys pref check in the template
18:43 atz       there are several... you can toggle show on list, show on detail
18:44 atz       owen: yeah, that's a minor thing (the destination page will say 'this feature not enabled')
18:44 atz       you can hide it if you want
18:44 owen      Yeah, we definitely don't want to link to a feature that's not enabled
18:45 eric      owen: I think it is TagsEnabled
18:45 atz        # Tags
18:45 atz          $tabsysprefs{TagsEnabled}            = 'EnhancedContent';
18:45 atz          $tabsysprefs{TagsExternalDictionary} = 'EnhancedContent';
18:45 atz          $tabsysprefs{TagsInputOnDetail}      = 'EnhancedContent';
18:45 atz          $tabsysprefs{TagsInputOnList}        = 'EnhancedContent';
18:45 atz          $tabsysprefs{TagsShowOnDetail}       = 'EnhancedContent';
18:45 atz          $tabsysprefs{TagsShowOnList}         = 'EnhancedContent';
18:45 atz          $tabsysprefs{TagsModeration}         = 'EnhancedContent';
18:45 atz          $tabsysprefs{GoogleJackets}          = 'EnhancedContent';
18:45 atz          $tabsysprefs{AuthorisedValueImages}  = "EnhancedContent";
18:45 atz       ^^ from admin/systempreferences.pl
18:46 pablo     One more thing. If someone want to take a look, with username=xx, pass=test, on the Right box demo is a version in english to play
18:46 pablo     http://inmabb.criba.edu.ar/catalis/catalis.php?p=demo#
18:47 pablo     Should I go with this to somewhere else? Perhaps I should send a mail to koha-dev?
18:47 owen      pablo: have you heard about Liblime's project called "biblios" ? Also built using ext. http://www.flickr.com/photos/liblime/tags/biblios/
18:48 owen      atz, I don't have any of those preferences. I wonder if I downgrade my Koha version number and reupdate the database if that would fix
18:48 pablo     No I'm not, I will see that link
18:48 atz       owen: it might... not sure though
18:52 owen      It did, cool. Neglectful of me to have never noticed I wasn't seeing that stuff.
18:56 pablo     owen: Do you have more information about Biblios? Screenshots? a list of features?
18:57 pablo     owen: searching with word "biblios" and koha doesn't help much on google, it get confused with the bibliographic record meaning
18:58 owen      I know Liblime is still working on the official site. Googling turns up this: http://www.biblios.net
18:58 owen      Looks like the demo is offline though
18:59 owen      Hm, doesn't look like there's much of anything at all at that site
19:00 pablo     The link on code.google is very inmature now, but the demo is working. Sadly, is in Spanish the firt part
19:00 pablo     1) go to http://inmabb.criba.edu.ar/catalis/catalis.php?p=demo#
19:00 owen      pablo, please post this information to koha-dev. It will reach many more eyes that way
19:02 pablo     ou! ok ok.. but the demo is runing! user/pass = xx/test, on the left demo button.
19:02 pablo     I'll send an email to koha-dev list either
19:05 owen      atz: do you know what magic is required to make a system pref work on the OPAC's login page?
19:06 atz       "work"?
19:06 atz       probably you are thinking of sysprefs that are loaded for every template by Auth
19:07 atz       Tags are setup such that the dependent sysprefs are not loaded if TagsEnabled-0
19:07 atz       * =0 *
19:07 atz        = 0
19:08 atz       (my chat client makes =0 into a smiley)
19:10 owen      Here's what I mean: I wrapped the user tags link in <! IF >TagsEnabled. With the syspref turned on, the user tags link does /not/ appear on the OPAC's login page
19:13 atz       possible typo/syntax?
19:13 atz       C4/Auth.pm:260:            TagsEnabled                  => C4::Context->preference("TagsEnabled"),
19:14 atz       ^^ gets set for every template
19:15 owen      No, the template responds correctly to turning the pref on and off. This is something I've encountered before with the login screen. Preferences just don't necessarily "take" on that page
19:17 owen      line 763 of Auth.pm begins another set of preference-settings for auth screens
19:26 owen      atz: is there just moderation on the staff side, or can you add too?
19:26 atz       owen: not designed to add via staff side, and honestly I don't consider that a problem
19:27 owen      :(
19:27 atz       OMG but I'm a librarian, i can't login to the OPAC!
19:27 owen      Exactly :)
19:42 nengard   hey there all - is there anyone that can fill in the question marks on this page for me?
19:42 nengard   http://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home/Table-of-Contents/administration/Manual--Catalog/Catalog--Authorized-Values
19:52 twiggle   hiya peps, anybody around?
19:54 twiggle   well I'll throw this out there... is there a way to restrict a user who has privileges to modify/delete/add patrons from deleting a superlibrarian... or is it supposed to work that way now
19:56 owen      Liz-NEKLS: That feature is in 3.0
19:57 Liz-NEKLS cool... we're hosted with you all, I think we're using that version
19:58 owen      Well... what I see is a permissions setting for "staffaccess  Modify login / permissions for staff users"
19:58 owen      I'm not positive that prevents deletion of superlibrarian (although it seems like it should)
19:59 owen      I don't want to say without testing it :)
19:59 Liz-NEKLS ok, so if you are setting up a circulation account you would want to give that permission... one moment we are testing (lol)
19:59 Liz-NEKLS ;)
20:02 chris     morning
20:02 Liz-NEKLS that's it, thanks :D
20:03 owen      Cool. Liz-NEKLS, where are you located, if I may ask? I grew up in Lawrence.
20:06 Liz-NEKLS we are in lawrence :)
20:06 Liz-NEKLS ks
20:06 Liz-NEKLS rock chalk and all that
20:09 Liz-NEKLS i guess you're the one who will be helping us with our look and feel customization here at NEKLS
20:09 owen      My very first library! I remember it fondly
20:09 nengard   Hi Liz-NEKLS
20:09 owen      Yes
20:10 Liz-NEKLS way cool
20:10 nengard   I'm the one doing your training at the end of the month
20:10 Liz-NEKLS hiyas :D
20:11 nengard   Liz-NEKLS I can't get pms to work - feel free to IM me on Yahoo!/AIM/GTalk: nengard
20:12 Liz-NEKLS k ty
20:15 Liz-NEKLS Owen- the library probably hasn't changed much lol
20:15 owen      Not still using the old cards in the back pocket I hope
20:18 Liz-NEKLS haha, no, fortunately that *has* changed
20:19 Liz-NEKLS but they use III I think
20:19 Liz-NEKLS to which I say "oi"
20:20 chris     heh
20:27 Liz-NEKLS anyway, thanks for the tip on the permissions... it works exactly how I would expect :D
21:11 eric      Hey!  any Zebra's pro around? :)
21:12 eric      (get ready for a challenge if you answer: yes, me) :)