Time Nick Message 11:30 mc kados will love it :) 11:30 mc i just seen that the error patch is just ridiculous: i propose all together 11:29 masonj ... -ing commits as patches, it seems to be a little slower/ but safer for me 11:27 masonj i think i manually merge branch commits thru git-apply 11:25 masonj i dont use git-merge yet ;/ 11:25 mc right 11:25 mc oh ... like that ?? 11:24 mc (another patch i have to provide) 11:24 mc and now i realize that i would like to use C4::Context::error 11:24 masonj then git-apply your patch after that... 11:24 mc in fact: i worked on the session bug 11:23 masonj and commit that.. 11:23 mc hmm 11:23 masonj do your code, code, code 11:23 masonj make a new branch 'work1' 11:22 masonj how about you make a patch for your 1st lot of work 11:22 masonj hi marc 11:16 mc can it work ? 11:16 mc git merge 11:16 mc commit format-patch 11:16 mc code, code, code ... 11:15 mc git branch master (returns to master) 11:15 mc commit 11:15 mc git branch work1 11:15 mc my idea: 11:15 mc - now i realize that this work require another commit before 11:14 mc - i wrote some code 11:14 mc - i have no branch 11:13 mc some git poweruser can help: 11:10 mc hello koha people 09:02 masonj i hope u charged him double-time 08:58 masonj meh ;/ 08:58 chris well that was kinda annoying 03:14 rach yep 03:12 pie congrats. on the release everyone, I was just chatting to Chris earlier and saying well done so thought I'd pass it to everyone 03:12 masonj aro & thorndon 03:11 masonj yep, blue sky - then hail 03:11 pie crazy since it was blue sky earlier 03:11 pie we just had hail too 03:09 masonj w00t 03:04 rach we set up a demo, seems to work :-) 03:03 rach the parliamentry environment commission are interested 03:03 rach thundering, so olive is quaking under my desk 02:52 masonj hailing over your end rach? 02:49 cnighs hi rach 02:48 rach howdy 22:30 chris done 22:30 slef thanks! 22:28 chris will do 22:27 slef chris: can you quick-fix? 22:27 slef chris: other than that, looks much better, thanks! 22:27 slef chris: my bad: under "Upgrading from a Previous..." there are <cite> tags around following. 22:24 chris ? 22:24 chris hows that 22:24 chris http://koha.org/about-koha/news/nr1214238926.html 22:24 chris ah right 22:22 slef chris: I don't think I can edit the breadcrumbs 22:19 chris hmm breadcrumbs still dont seem right 22:10 slef (assuming I didn't botch the edit) 22:10 slef chris: trigger requested 22:06 chris heh 21:56 slef yay! perfect for editing the web site! 21:53 chris lol 21:52 slef chris: everyone has 20TB disks and is using debian-unstable, you know? 21:51 chris it can be distracting :) 21:36 slef sorry, distracted by koha-devel again ;-) 21:25 chris just yell out when its ready to go 21:24 chris sure can 21:18 slef chris: also, if I mark that up as html, can you trigger it? 21:18 slef chris: what's up with the breadcrumbs on http://koha.org/about-koha/news/nr1214238926.html do you know? 20:49 chris there we go http://koha.org/ 20:33 chris have a good meeting if I dont see you before 20:31 chris maybe tonight nz time :) 20:31 hdl hope to see you longer next time. 20:30 chris sleep well 20:30 hdl I am going to Lyon, should go to bed now. 20:30 hdl Tomorrow, kohala is gathering for its annual administration council. 20:29 chris excellent 20:29 hdl well Edward Corrado and Heather Moulaison found the visit pretty much interesting. 20:28 chris hdl: how'd that go? 20:28 chris triggered the news item, ill update the other pages and add the download link 20:28 chris http://koha.org/about-koha/news/index.html 20:26 kados chris: and if you want to update other pages, feel free 20:26 kados chris: there was a news item, but no way to trigger it 20:25 chris ? 20:25 chris kados: is there anything you want me to trigger live on the website 20:24 chris not bad at all 20:23 gmcharlt pretty good. you? 20:23 chris hey galen, hows things? 20:23 gmcharlt hi chris 20:22 chris heya hdl 20:22 hdl hi 20:21 chris sheesh 18:45 ricardo s/gotto/got to 18:45 ricardo Gotto go home. Take care everyone! :) 18:05 ricardo slef: Thanks for the info. If I am NOT mistaken, "pt" was NOT one of the problematic translations that Joshua mentioned in his emails to the mailing list. 18:02 slef ricardo: kados wrote to koha-devel about invalid characters in some translations - could that have affected pt? 18:01 slef !seen kados 18:01 slef <gmcharlt> paul: kados is away at the moment - back in a bit [18:15] 18:00 ricardo Is kados here? I want to ask him a question regarding the Portuguese translation (25% of translations seem to have disappeared from Kartouche, according to the stats there) 17:58 ricardo First of all: congrats on releasing RC1! 17:58 ricardo Hi everyone! :) 17:49 atz owen: sometimes i'm not even sure the contributor knows... 17:47 gmcharlt owen: for your holds processing, you rely on pendingreserves.pl and checking in the items you pull? 17:46 gmcharlt owen: agreed 17:45 owen gmcharlt: It seems with several of these reports that the real purpose is only known to the contributor 17:44 gmcharlt and because of that, the item is consequently not listed 17:44 gmcharlt the transfer record is already created 17:43 gmcharlt but in practice, by the time an item is specifically linked to a reqeust 17:43 gmcharlt with presumption that item is to be transferred to the pickup library 17:43 gmcharlt it shows a list of holds that have items to linked to them 17:43 gmcharlt owen: I've been looking at it all morning, and it seems to do nothing useful, at least as currently written 17:42 owen I've only tested it. 17:41 gmcharlt owen: do you use circ/transferstodo.pl? 17:33 acmoore thanks 17:33 acmoore ah. yeah, that looks pretty close to the config that you gave me. 17:29 slef acmoore: I lean towards 4-char tabs, but maybe I reconfigured my system after http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2003-May/003181.html 17:26 acmoore well, maybe I'll just leave this setting out for now. that means that perltidy will not recommend a change from whatever is there. 17:25 masonj yeah, i agree andy - i think spaces are safer 17:23 acmoore no worries. So, I think that encourages use of tabs at the beginning of the lines. That doesn't seem to be as common as spaces in our code. I wonder if that setting is still desired by many, or if we're on the wrong track here. 17:22 slef sorry for the error 17:22 acmoore ah. OK, thanks. 17:22 slef I think it should be -et=4 (4-character tabs which IIRC paul uses and he was RM back when I wrote that note) 17:21 acmoore slef, see also: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2269 17:21 acmoore perltidy -bar -ce -pt=2 -vt=2 -en=4 17:21 slef acmoore: can you paste me the perltidy line please? 17:19 acmoore slef, I'm woring on my perltidyrc. I can't find what the -en=4 option that you mentioned does in my docs. Do you recall what that was supposed to do? Perhaps it's deprecated or something. 17:17 gmcharlt paul: kados is away at the moment - back in a bit 17:16 paul (same question for bugfixing scan index though) 17:15 paul kados ? why didn't you applied my patch "bugfixin (itemtype summary)" ? 17:13 slef Can't coerce array into hash at intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 738. 17:06 masonj yeah, but when he gets up (3-4 hrs) si can sort it out... 17:04 slef masonj: asleep or what? 16:59 masonj hes in baby-land.... 16:58 slef si: how do we get ops? 16:56 masonj doesnt look like it ;/ 16:56 owen Does /anyone/ have oper? 16:54 kados can someone with oper change the topic to 'Koha 3.0 RC1 out the door ... congrats everyone' ? 16:54 masonj ta josh 16:53 kados masonj: (it should anyway) 16:53 kados masonj: just update your user on bugzilla and it will change 16:53 gmcharlt but there's a possibility, of course 16:53 gmcharlt on first glance, probable fixes for 2206 and 1909 are not too likely to conflict 16:53 masonj http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/describecomponents.cgi?product=Koha 16:53 masonj oops, me 'n russ are still default assignee's - with our old LL addys 16:52 gmcharlt slef: yeah, same area 16:52 slef just part of same area? 16:52 slef 16:52 slef <gmcharlt> and as part of MARC editor, related to 2206, which is a blocker 16:52 slef gmcharlt: how is this related to 2206? 16:51 gmcharlt slef: noo 16:50 slef gmcharlt: any work not in the kohabug? 16:50 gmcharlt slef: feel free 16:50 slef ok, so bureado's kohabug 1909 - gmcharlt, mind if I poach from your plate? 16:49 atz yeah, i try to update when I actually start working on it... 16:49 kados acmoore: *nod* 16:48 acmoore perhaps we should be more diligent in changing the status from "NEW" to "ASSIGNED" or whatever when we start working on them. 16:48 acmoore but I agree that it's a but confusing to tell if someone is assigned a bug because they're actively working on it, or just because they're default. I tend to look to see if there are comments or other actions in the bug, and then contact the assignee. 16:47 kados acmoore++ 16:47 acmoore There's a componenet list, which I think shows the default assignees: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/describecomponents.cgi?product=Koha 16:45 kados slef: we have always (as long as I've been involved in Koha) had a default assignee of a person who's familiar with that module, and koha-bugs is marked as QA but that's just for notification to people subscribed to koha-bugs 16:45 slef I thought we had a default assignee of koha-devel or something like that, but maybe that changed and I forgot. 16:45 kados slef: so it's different than a huge project with thousands of peopel contributing, I'm not surprised 16:44 cnighs one can also reassign the bug to one's self 16:44 slef see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=etiquette.html "No messing with other people's bugs" 16:44 atz not really. 16:44 kados ? 16:43 slef ok, this is quite different from other bugzillas 16:43 kados automatically 16:43 kados slef: but you can tell by selecting a module in a new bug, it will populate the default assignee 16:42 kados slef: i'm not sure if there's a list that's viewable by anyone other than the admin of bugzilla 16:42 kados slef: the assignee is assigned by default based on the module 16:42 atz just post in the bug. 16:42 atz slef: it doesn't matter if you want to volunteer. 16:41 slef kados: how does one spot bugzilla default assignees? 16:40 kados lloyd: :-) 16:40 kados slef: back on topic: the fact that bugzilla has default assignees shouldn't stop you from volunteering to fix bugs 16:40 slef kados: well, they are working on koha... 16:40 lloyd This is better than TV 16:40 kados slef: OK, then please don't refer to yourself in the collective ;-) 16:39 slef kados: please don't refer to me in the third person. 16:39 slef kados: nothing from the other two has gone to koha.org yet, no 16:38 kados slef: so there are programmers other than MJ Ray that have contributed to koha? 16:38 slef kados: I'm our reporter. 16:38 kados slef: from software.coop? 16:38 kados slef: have we seen more people apart from you contribute to koha? 16:37 slef software.coop 16:37 kados slef: who's 'we'? 16:37 kados slef: just because there are default assignees assigned by bugzilla? 16:37 slef kados: we can put in patches, but how can we tell whether we're repeating work, which want help or what? 16:37 kados slef: that's really your reason for not contributing patches? 16:35 slef kados: all of them are claimed. 16:35 kados and I agree with him 16:35 kados yep, that too 16:34 slef I remember thomas being pretty vocal about the need to change our whole bug severity approach :-/ 16:34 kados slef: how many of those are you willing to fix? 16:34 kados as it is, we still have 24 major, critical and blocker bugs open 16:34 kados slef: thomas was pretty vocal, as were others, about the need to actually fix bugs 16:33 kados slef: yep 16:33 slef "Based on the feedback to my last post" 16:33 kados slef: again, nothing to do with profit 16:33 kados slef: reason being the feedback and lack of bug fixing 16:33 kados slef: ahh, that was explained last monday IIRC 16:33 kados slef: and if you think it's easy being QA manager, RM and Translation manager all in one, try it some time 16:33 slef since last Monday 16:32 kados slef: if you mean holding us up between Friday and today 16:32 kados slef: yup, that's all 16:31 slef kados: threading emails is a reasonably common habit... has it been just translation problems holding us up? 16:30 kados slef: I can't be responsible for your email habits ;-) 16:30 kados so ... website updates ... 16:29 kados stableRC1 tagged 16:29 slef ah, it's down a thread that had rolled off :-/ 16:27 owen This? Message-ID: <2dfa91e40806202131i366ca91dre4291aeaf540e4ea@mail.gmail.com> 16:26 slef kados: can you share the message-id? 16:26 slef kados: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel 16:25 kados slef: sounds like your'e not getting emails from lists.koha.org 16:25 kados slef: I think you'd better double-check the archives 16:25 slef well, then there was the string freeze announcement today 16:25 owen slef, perhaps you're having problems receiving mail from koha-devel? 16:24 slef owen: huh? Where? 16:24 slef kados: last release progress announcement was 21 May. 16:23 owen slef: ...the latest of which was on June 21, Re: Koha 3.0 Stable Release Plan 16:23 slef kados: we're willing to program some things without getting paid. We reinvest some of our koha revenue. Part of the problem is tracking what is and isn't done yet. 16:22 kados slef: check my emails to the lists 16:22 kados slef: I announced the reasons for the delay 16:22 slef owen: no reason for delaying was announced AFAIK. Maybe those who can monitor IRC 24-7 knew, but we didn't. 16:21 kados slef: profit has nothing to do with the reason the release is delayed and the roadmap wasn't finished 16:20 kados slef: if you're saying you've found a way to do it without getting paid, tell me your secret (and proove it with your commits) 16:19 kados slef: who is willing to program the items on the roadmap that aren't finished? 16:17 owen Delaying the release in order to fix bugs doesn't sound like something anyone should be criticized for. 16:16 owen slef, your reasoning just doesn't make any sense. It is in Liblime's interest to release as soon as possible, since they have paying customers who want Koha 3. It's also in Liblime's interest to release as stable a product as possible. 16:15 slef FF3 doesn't like it though, which is odd. 16:14 slef http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.00-stableRC1.tar.gz.MD5.asc verifies OK here 16:14 slef owen: it's one possibile reason for the current practices, don't you think? LibLime has other fish to fry, apparently. 16:09 owen And you feel that the reason for this is that Liblime doesn't feel it's profitable to stick to the schedule? 16:09 slef According to the 3.0 roadmap, we're only half-done, but RC1 is out the door, so maybe the roadmap's out of date. Mostly, I'm confused. 16:07 slef Ultimately, if you want to pick it into one point. 16:07 slef We're not getting enough info from the PM, RMs and any other Ms. 16:05 owen Then what's your point? 16:04 slef owen: no. I don't know why the release has unfolded as it has. We've not enough resources to track the current koha project. 16:03 owen slef, are you saying that the release has been delayed for invalid reasons? 16:01 kados slef: liblime is nothing if not its employees 16:00 slef kados: going back a little, liblime doesn't have feelings and I don't mean to characterise its employees. I feel liblime (not its employees) doesn't mind if schedules and roadmaps are allowed to slide out-of-date because they don't pay liblime. 15:56 slef sok, I guessed it 15:55 kados oops 15:55 slef http://download.koha.org/ 15:55 slef Firefox can't find the server at downloads.koha.org 15:54 kados in the meantime, anyone want to double-check the sigs, MD5s, etc, please do so at downloads.koha.org 15:54 kados OK, stable release signed and delivered 15:52 slef back 15:48 kados slef: and for the record, I'd turn liblime into a collective in a second if I had proof that a collective would work as effeciently for the koha project as a company 15:45 kados slef: for when you get back: please think hard about how you characterize liblime, we have feelings too 15:43 owen Yeah, if people would just stop finding bugs, that would make life a lot easier 15:43 kados slef: it's your request, how is that our fault? 15:43 slef back in 20mins, sorry 15:43 kados huh? 15:42 slef yeah, this is the problem, liblime making work for us much smaller companies 15:41 kados have even 15:40 kados slef: OK, but you'll have to patch the language pack stuff, we (liblime) has bigger fish to fry unfortunately 15:40 slef kados: post-rc1, would really like this and the language-pack split pre-final 15:40 kados post-release then :-) 15:38 kados slef: you want me to wait for this #optional commentary? or can that go in post-release? 15:37 kados shrugs even 15:37 slef (rather than try to sort out the tangle I got my branch into) 15:36 slef kados: buh? I even made a new topic branch for it :-/ 15:36 slef Subject: [PATCH] Note optional modules, for later reference. 15:36 kados OK, I'm gonna tag 3.0 15:34 kados slef: that patch didn't apply, but I'll do it manually 15:32 kados gmcharlt++ (template test) 15:30 kados slef++ 15:29 slef kados: A::CD patch has been sent 15:28 kados slef: but better get those patches in soon :-) 15:28 kados slef: optional comments are fine 15:27 kados back ... 15:26 acmoore slef, I'll patch both. 15:26 slef gmcharlt: that's one possibility, yes. 15:25 gmcharlt slef: perhaps a Great Reindentation prior to the beginning of work on 3.2? 15:25 slef acmoore: can you address the warning - I'm not sure whether it's the test or the code to blame 15:24 slef acmoore: re "from the beginning" - yeah, but I think that would involve time travel for all of the current developers ;-) Ideally, I wouldn't start from here either, but how to get from here to there? 15:23 slef acmoore: I've not done either yet - just got my git in a tangle :-/ 15:20 acmoore slef, I can address that warning in getitemtypeimagedir, or have you opened a bug or sent in a patch? 15:17 acmoore gmcharlt++ # new automated test for template translatability 15:15 acmoore yeah, I encourage reasonable indentation from the beginning. 15:07 slef acmoore: unless there's some way of drilling down in it that I don't know about 15:07 slef acmoore: other problem with reindenting is that it makes emacs git-blame-mode less useful. 15:04 slef kados: do you mind if I include # optional comments after the optionals? 14:58 slef Do I need to require Algorithm::CheckDigits::M43_001 as well as Algorithm::CheckDigits? 14:48 slef t/icondirectories.t even 14:48 slef 14:48 slef my $opac_icon_directory = getitemtypeimagedir(); 14:47 slef kados: line 27 of t/icondirectories calls it with no params 14:46 kados slef: please do 14:46 slef kados: do you want me to send a 3-line patch for that? 14:46 slef - put $VERSION back into CheckDigits.pm 14:46 slef 0.50 Fr 6. Jun 21:45:04 CEST 2008 14:46 kados hmmm, why would $src be uninitialized? 14:45 slef Algorithm::CheckDigits isn't installed 14:44 slef to me, 460 of Koha.pm is "if ($src eq 'intranet') {" 14:43 kados (or debian, as the case may be) 14:43 kados if so, maybe we need to submit a patch to fix their VERSION string on CPAN? 14:43 kados slef: is Algorithm::CheckDigits installed? 14:43 slef I think they're the only not-obviously-database-related ones 14:42 slef # Error: Can't locate Algorithm/CheckDigits.pm in @INC at /home/mjr/k3tar/koha-3.00.00-stableRC1/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Labels.pm line 25. 14:42 acmoore kados, I think we should initialize the variables instead. 14:41 acmoore slef, I think that removes the space in "} else" to make "}else". I'll just use something to run perltidy on regions in emacs. THanks, though! 14:41 slef I'll look and see what line 460 is in a mo 14:41 kados should we throw a 'no warnings uninitialized;' in Koha.pm? 14:40 slef t/icondirectories...........Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /home/mjr/k3tar/koha-3.00.00-stableRC1/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Koha.pm line 460. 14:40 slef kados: just grabbing the non-database ones 14:40 kados slef: can you paste them in? 14:40 slef kados: I've a few make test errors but I don't think they're serious 14:39 slef acmoore: only setting in my .emacs is '(cperl-indent-region-fix-constructs nil) - not sure if that's relevant 14:39 kados If I hear no complaints before 12:00 EST (1.5 hours from now) I will announce the release on koha lists 14:38 kados as a reminder, please test http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.00-stableRC1.tar.gz 14:35 acmoore oh, wow. that is unusual. 14:35 slef acmoore: I'll look and see if I have them set from $AGES_AGO 14:34 slef well, not much 14:34 slef acmoore: no, I don't use emacs for editing ;) 14:34 slef s/too/to 14:34 slef also, I switched too it when trying to coordinate #debian-dpl-debate 14:34 acmoore slef, do you use cperl mode? If so, do you have configuration options to match that perltidy config? 14:33 slef erc is in emacs 22 - too easy to use 14:33 acmoore but I don't use irc.el 14:33 slef tools/picture-upload.pl:287: Unmatched =back 14:33 acmoore Oh, I'm an avid emacs user. I just recognize it as a controversial quality of myself. 14:32 slef apparently yes :) 14:32 slef does emacs respond to VERSION? 14:29 acmoore Ha! I won't VERSION you, then. 14:28 acmoore slef, thanks for the help finding the perltidy options. I never would have found them. As you can tell, I'm a bit of a nut about code formatting, and unfortunately that's nearly as controversial as being a religious emacs fanatic. 14:26 slef except that those bugs are on serene too ... oops 14:26 slef ok, I'm going to triage some local bugs while waiting for this to complete||fail 14:25 kados slef: yes, we should 14:25 acmoore OK. I opened bug 2270 to implenent a facility to mark some modules as optional. http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2270 I'd love to be able to mark SMS::Send as optional and have tried to make failure rather graceful in the event that it's not installed. I can't take that ticket now, though. 14:25 slef not got that far yet - this is a bit of a big job... should we consider splitting languages out into their own tarballs? 14:25 kados check About Koha -> Licenses for details 14:25 kados but it shouldn't show up in the language list 14:25 slef oh ok 14:24 kados it's valid 14:24 kados famfamfam is an image directory 14:24 slef it's copying prog/famfamfam 14:24 kados make? 14:24 slef make 14:24 kados slef: where? 14:24 kados arrg 14:24 slef kados: I've got the famfamfam language appearing again, I think 14:23 slef (I see now that DBD::mysql is noted) 14:23 kados slef++ 14:22 slef those two in particular are later than debian backports, so I'll add a note for html::template::pro to INSTALL.debian 14:21 atz nice! hadn't seen that it was a custom job :) 14:21 slef 14:21 slef atz: 0.69 Thu Feb 28 06:46:17 EET 2008 - added elsif tag (requested by koha.org project) - heh, ok 14:19 atz slef: yeah, we started using TMPL_ELSIF and loop_context_vars (both of which are really useful) 14:18 kados s/encoing/encoding/ 14:18 kados slef: and html::template::pro later versions have features we use that don't exist in earlier ones 14:18 kados slef: yes, in that case ... the dbd::mysql one is related to encoing issues 14:18 slef also, do we actually need versions that late of DBD::mysql and HTML::Template::Pro? 14:17 kados slef++ 14:17 kados hehe 14:17 slef kados: seems OK so far - reports some prerequisites that aren't required ;-) 14:16 kados so is anyone testing the tardist? any issues so far? 14:16 slef acmoore: see paul's line above too 14:16 slef acmoore: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/1012 and http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/1014 14:15 paul (we can add Net::LDAP to the list of modules that are not mandatory everytime) 14:14 acmoore slef, sure. that would be great. thanks! 14:14 slef acmoore: yes please... can you link the mailing list thread or would you like me to find a URL? 14:13 acmoore slef, I agree that the product would be better with some facility to mark modules as optional and not install them. Shall I open a bug for that enhnacement? 14:13 kados slef: and I was explaining why 14:13 kados slef: because andrew sent in some patches for it that I'm not going to approve 14:13 slef if you don't want to discuss it now, don't discuss it now 14:12 slef kados: so why did you raise this when I was asking about 1909? 14:12 kados acmoore: sure, works for me 14:12 acmoore perhaps we file a bug that says that we should separate optional and mandatory modules, even though we can't get to it now. If someone can get to it, then would that be OK? I personally don't really have time to implement that right now, though. 14:12 kados slef: I'd rather spend my energy thinking about those 14:12 kados slef: we have larger bugs to resolve that are much more important 14:11 kados slef: this is a bigger problem than we have time to solve right now 14:11 acmoore I tried to make the patron messaging stuff hidden if the syspref is off. I may have failed in that, though. I'm not sure about the imagemagik stuff. 14:11 kados slef: the installer doesn't tell you you have to have SMS installed before installing the sample data for SMS 14:11 kados slef: the pages aren't 14:11 slef kados: I thought these things were behind system preferences that were disabled by default? 14:10 kados and will think it's a Koha bug 14:10 slef kados: ok, which modules has liblime added that are optional besides SMS and ImageMagick? 14:10 kados because some librarian somewhere will try to click on something and get an error 14:10 kados I disagree about not forcing installation of optional modules though 14:10 kados slef: I'll evaluate any patch from you on this topic 14:10 kados ? 14:09 slef kados: oh come on! If you can slip SMSing into 3.0... 14:09 kados slef: but if you have the resources to add something to the installer to choose between mandatory and optional modules, be my guest 14:09 slef kados: there needs to be some recording, even if just in INSTALL 14:09 kados slef: and we certainly don't have time to slip that into 3.0 stable 14:09 kados slef: no, there isn't 14:08 kados slef: the whole point of separating out the sys admin portion of the install is to not make the sys admin responsible for what the librarian will be using ... 14:08 slef kados: but there's no recording of what's optional yet, is there? 14:08 paul SMS & Imagemagick deps are used in a very specific cases. I agree to say koha should be installable without them. 14:07 kados slef: you can choose to not install them if you don't want them 14:07 slef kados: SMS is expensive, ImageMagick is awkward, both are optional AIUI. 14:06 kados slef: we've got bigger fish to fry 14:06 kados slef: and there aren't very many 'optional' features, certainly not enough to make a big deal out of this point 14:06 kados slef: yep, but I disagree that that stuff won't be used 14:05 slef kados: listing optionals in PREREQ_PM has two problems: 1. asks sysadmins to install stuff they'll never use (=> fewer koha installations); 2. makes packages generated from Makefile.PL incorrect (=> harder koha packages, also more work if/when MakeMaker is replaced) 14:04 paul yes, except it's a "local" one, I won't investigate where it comes from. Just fixing it manually 14:03 kados paul: so it's bug 2076 then :-) 14:03 paul (DB upgrade 090 => 094) 14:03 kados ahh, ok 14:02 paul kados : consider my problems solved. 14:02 kados paul: ? 14:02 kados acmoore,slef: even if they are optional features 14:02 paul seems it's a long lasting diff between this base and the official one. 14:02 kados acmoore,slef: I think all dependencies should be in the Makefile.PL 14:02 kados acmoore,slef: i disagree about the optional stuff 14:02 paul mmm... on one of my setup, the letter interclassement is latin1, not utf8. Thus the problem in creating the message_transports constraint. 14:00 kados *nod* 13:59 gmcharlt and as part of MARC editor, related to 2206, which is a blocker 13:59 kados gmcharlt: assigning to you and marking 'major' 13:59 gmcharlt kados: IMO it should be at least major, if not blocker 13:59 kados IMO 13:59 kados at very least, it should be a 'major' 13:58 kados gmcharlt: is 1909 a blocker? 13:54 gmcharlt slef: bug 1909 is on my plate 13:54 kados slef: nope, won't be a git tag until the tardist is tested 13:54 slef kados: is there a git tag for that? 13:53 slef hi all... is anyone working on kohabug 1909 Cannot delete repeatable marc fields in editor? 13:53 acmoore well, I'll look at it. 13:53 paul yep, and both zebra 13:53 kados paul: both French UNIMARC? 13:52 paul what is strange is that it works on the other DB... and they are both similar. really similar (upgrades always done on both at the same time) 13:52 kados TARDIST READY, PLEASE TEST: http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.00-stableRC1.tar.gz 13:51 kados acmoore: any ideas? 13:51 kados hmmm 13:51 kados (or as of late Friday) 13:51 paul yes, 2mn ago 13:51 kados paul: rebased as of today ? 13:51 paul what do you mean by "uptodate" ? 13:51 kados paul: are you sure the first setup was fully up to date? 13:50 kados paul: that should have been fixed on Friday 13:50 paul 150 : MySQL error code 150: Foreign key constraint is incorrectly formed 13:50 paul DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't create table './ipt3/message_transports.frm' (errno: 150) at /home/paul/koha.dev/head//installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 1701. 13:50 paul kados : I tried to upgrade 2 of my setups (090 => 094) On one of them, I get an error during upgrade (nothing on the other one) 13:49 kados OK, tardist is done, need some testers on this: http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.00-stableRC1.tar.gz 13:20 acmoore I'm available 13:19 kados any volunteers? 13:19 kados this could take about an hour ... then I'll be needing some testers for the tardist 13:09 kados importing translations to translate.koha.org 12:50 kados so now just turkish ... which is really a mess :/ 12:50 kados uk-UA-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po done 12:48 kados zh-Hans-CN-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po done 12:47 kados back 12:29 paul bye 12:28 kados yep 12:28 paul (I mean : things that someone else can't do. this one can be done by anyone) 12:28 kados *nod* 12:28 paul I think you have more important things to do. 12:28 kados yep 12:28 paul & very very very long. 12:27 kados in fact, I tried to do this, but it's a pretty boring task :-) 12:27 kados yep 12:27 paul I think the best thing that could be done atm, would be to clean the english strings that are filled with dozens of "This term", "This Term", "this term", "this term: ", "This term:"... 12:26 kados but I suspect pootle would be better 12:26 kados would be easy to add 12:26 kados and duplicate msgids ... 12:26 kados so it remove ^M and \n automatically 12:26 kados I wish it did a bit more validation 12:25 kados kartouche++ though, it does a very good job 12:25 kados hehe 12:25 kados when I'm not RM, I can be translation manager and spend more time on it :-) 12:25 paul I know, as, in fact, I choose kartouche 1st ;-) 12:25 kados yea, when I choose kartouche, pootle didn't exist 12:24 paul pootle ++ here, as you can have a vocabulary (see serhij mail) 12:24 kados ( ru-RU-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po) done 12:24 kados I will see if Nicole can add to the manual 12:24 kados now that we have so many translations, we should put together better documentation on how to make a 'really good' translation of Koha 12:23 paul usually it's relevant, but I had a few surprises... 12:23 kados OK 12:23 paul I don't know. 12:23 paul I don't know what .po consider as a "almost matching" exactly. 12:23 kados it's defined by 'gettext'? 12:22 paul if can be less near. For example, I think "Fill itemtype with appropriate value" would be automatically "fuzzy translated" as well 12:22 paul - the string "fill with appropriate value" is added. It automatically has "Remplir avec la valeur correcte" as translated. with FUZZY=ON 12:21 paul - "Fill with appropriate value => Remplir avec la valeur correcte" already exists 12:21 paul example : 12:21 paul by security, a fuzzy string is not used when "tmpl_process3.pl install" 12:21 kados how do you define 'almost matching'? 12:20 paul - a string has been manually marked "fuzzy" by the translator 12:20 paul - a string has been added on a template, and tmpl_process3.pl has found a "almost matching" existing string. It default the translation of the new one to the translation of the old one, with "fuzzy" 12:20 kados (hy-Armn-i-staff-prog-v-3000000.po done) 12:19 kados gotcha 12:19 paul (us = Koha) 12:19 kados (or us, Koha) 12:19 kados (us meaning, French?) 12:19 paul - a string XXXX has been translated, and has been modified (a case or a space change is enough). 12:19 paul for us, a string can be "fuzzy" trhough 3 ways : 12:18 paul kados : a "fuzzy string" is a string that is translated, but the translation is uncertain. 12:18 paul back. 12:17 paul (on phone) 12:17 kados paul: can you explain what 'fuzzy' strings are? 12:14 kados a few more days like that and we'll be in good shape :-) 12:13 kados paul: over 50 bugs patched on Friday :-) 12:12 kados IKWYM 12:12 paul except the phone don't stop ringing... 12:12 kados (but should work for that now) 12:12 kados (it will only detect the first preference specified) 12:12 kados paul: can you confirm httt-language is working now? 12:10 paul mmm... right... 85 patches approved on friday. 12:10 kados paul: but it will be a busy morning ... and was a very busy Friday :-) 12:10 kados paul: nope, I didn't even use my computer over the weekend :-) 12:09 paul busy week end I've seen... 12:09 kados hi paul 12:09 kados 5 translation files left to fix before 3.0 RC1 is released 12:09 paul hello kados. 12:09 kados es-ES-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po done 12:09 kados el-GR-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po done