Time Nick Message 22:01 atz http://blogs.liblime.com/developers/ (under the bacon donut) 22:01 atz arsenic: yeah, feel free to comment about them on my blog post, or just file for enhancement.... external images/reviews etc. is going to get slick and AJAXy 21:46 kados have a good weekend! 21:46 kados laters all 21:36 arsenic BTW, it would be nice if we could add other providers like that. We have Chapters and Archambault here in Canada that provide the same type of services 21:34 arsenic We could also have a wiki page for all Amazon information. 21:34 arsenic I agree. I did found that its http://affiliate-program.amazon.com/join/. I'll fill a bug about it 21:30 atz arsenic: the description should be a URL for signup 21:23 arsenic atz: ok for the amazon access key. What about the AmazonAssocTag? 21:10 arsenic sorry, doesn't match the one in the MARC View 21:09 arsenic In my opac, the item type in the Normal view doesn't match the one in the opac. http://demo.inlibroservices.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1 21:09 gmcharlt kados++ 21:05 liz wewt grats 21:05 arsenic YOUUHHOOO! 21:05 kados 3.0 beta 2 is out! 21:00 atz an entry can only show on 1 tab 21:00 atz arsenic: regarding tabs... i'd love to overhaul that someday... right now the hashing is backwards... 20:59 atz they are publicly available via the amazon developers page 20:59 atz arsenic: i think the idea was to get them their own keys 20:58 arsenic How Liblime manages the Amazon keys for its clients? Are you using the same for all of your client of you require them to register at amazon? 20:48 arsenic How can we get an AWSAccessKeyID? 20:41 arsenic Oh, I got it. Staff client. 20:40 arsenic ok... because I guess that YUI is missing. I had to changed this direcly in my db... but I may have overlooked it 20:40 kados arsenic: it's currently hard-coded in the script admin/systempreferences.pl, but we'd like to make it more generic, and store that in the DB 20:39 arsenic what defines in which tab a system preference appears? 20:35 kados we'll have to bug owen about that before the stable release 20:34 kados that opac now has all languages enabled, and the footer can't handle them all :-) 20:33 kados famfamfam is an iconset 20:33 kados http://opac.liblime.com/ 20:33 liz lol I was wondering about that too 20:33 arsenic by the way, what was that? 20:32 arsenic ok, no famfam 20:30 kados so famfam is still present? 20:30 kados hehe 20:30 arsenic I was overwhelmed by all the languages :) 20:29 arsenic I'll double check for the famfamfam... wait a sec. 20:28 kados arsenic: thanks! 20:28 kados Ok, sounds good, I'll roll the release and email the list 20:28 kados cool 20:28 arsenic yep :) 20:28 kados arsenic: famfam is gone? 20:27 arsenic kados: do you want me to check other specific element on the beta2? 20:26 arsenic are there a suggested configuration for koha's prerequisite? Ex: Apache, Perl, mySQL, ... if not, maybe we should write something about it. 20:23 arsenic <Log in with user: liblime and password: liblime> is gone! and the footer <Power by liblime> gone too! 20:21 gmcharlt I claim db rev 068 in the name of Koha! 20:19 arsenic kados: languages are ok in the webinstall 20:13 gmcharlt sounds good 20:12 kados gmcharlt: we could add a tab for it, Licenses maybe? 20:11 gmcharlt not seeing a spot for them in about.tmpl 20:11 atz my brain is failing on why... 20:11 gmcharlt kados: what's the protocol for acknowledging things like GPL JQuery plugins we add to source tree? 20:10 atz i think you should have 5.8.8 perl 20:10 arsenic Actually, it complains about some perl module version that I mentionned earlier (Data::Dumper and POSIX) 20:09 arsenic CentOS 4.5, Perl 5.8.5, Apache 2.0.52 20:09 kados weird 20:09 arsenic kados: not out of the box on my server 20:08 kados arsenic: what? Makefile.PL doesn't work? 20:07 arsenic atz: where can i find those previous version (sorry for my ignorance) 20:05 atz there is supposedly another module, like VERSION::Exact or something, but I haven't used it 20:05 arsenic POSIX is a good example. The latest version available is 1.13. But I want to installl 1.09 (in that case) 20:04 atz arsenic: download the tarball from cpan directly 20:04 arsenic Anybody can teach me how to install a specific version of a perl module? 20:02 fbcit nick /fbcit-away 20:01 gmcharlt arsenic: please submit bug and mention platform - Debian, for instace, does not complain about a POSIX 1.09 requirement 20:01 arsenic oups... included 20:00 arsenic kados: does the YUI includes in each and every languages? 19:57 liz nvm rtfm 19:55 arsenic kados: here my modificiation to make the perl Makefile.PL works. Data::Dumper version required: 2.121 (instead of 2.12108 which i doubt it exists) and POSIX version 1.08 (instead of 1.09) 19:54 liz this is kind of a silly question, how does one configure receipt printers in Koha (and are they installed on the server or at the local workstation?) 19:48 kados (hopefully by Monday) 19:48 kados arsenic: there's been some recent activity, 3 submissions, and shoul dbe an announcement soon 19:47 arsenic BTW, what is happening with the koha.org design contest? 19:46 arsenic I was wondering why the tar was so long to uncompressed. More languages, of course :) 19:43 kados arsenic: koha-install-log is probably in misc dir 19:43 kados perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log 19:42 kados arsenic: build with 19:42 kados arsenic: you can just do a make upgrade 19:41 arsenic kados: I guess that it's better if I clean everything first... 19:40 kados arsenic: report any issues to me and I'll make sure to fix them before announcing the release 19:40 kados arsenic: http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.00-beta2.tar.gz 19:39 atz (a bit late) firebug does a ton 19:37 arsenic ok, np. Thanks 19:36 gmcharlt arsenic: not yet, but I'll get to it in the next day or so 19:35 arsenic gmcharlt, did you have a look at the problem of the install directory not being set in the config files? 19:35 chris we cache the css and js with memcache on th site im working on, apache only does a disklookup on the files when it starts .. it depends on how high usuage ur site is gonna be as to wether you want to do that 19:35 fbcit kados, et. al. tnx 19:34 kados arsenic: ok, i'll let you know in a sec 19:34 arsenic i'll be more than happy 19:34 kados arsenic: I can send you the release in a couple minutes, you can verify it works, and I'll release it to the world 19:33 kados arsenic: you wanna test for me? 19:33 arsenic hehe... :) 19:33 kados :) 19:33 kados arsenic: and the famfamfam language 19:33 kados arsenic: as well as the lack of languages :-) 19:33 kados arsenic: yep 19:32 arsenic kados: Thanks. I guess you are also taking care of the footer with the Powered by Liblime image 19:32 kados so serving up headers for those other files that triggers browsers to not ask for them again 19:32 kados it's the browser cache that we need to focus on 19:32 kados serving up static pages is lightning fast 19:32 kados and I doubt very much that we need to look at apache cacheing 19:32 fbcit it begins to make better sense now 19:31 kados fbcit: every file pulled down from the server has a header associated with it 19:31 kados fbcit: they each have their own headers 19:31 kados fbcit: correct 19:31 fbcit kados: so css, inc, etc are not affected? 19:30 kados arsenic: yep, fixing that now 19:30 kados the nocache headers only affect the cgi-built page, none of the pages it refers too 19:30 arsenic Kudos: in the beta release, the staff login page displays: Note: Log in with user: liblime and password: liblime 19:30 fbcit I'm not much w/apache, sorry. 19:30 fbcit the light begins to dawn, ever so faintly 19:29 chris yep 19:29 fbcit so that apache does not have to retrieve it from the disk every shot? 19:29 fbcit ahh 19:29 chris then we have to cache at the apache level 19:29 chris if we are gonna send nocache headers 19:28 fbcit so if the header of the page contains a no-cache directive, how will apache tell the browser to cache the yui stuff? 19:26 chris or memcached 19:26 chris or you can play with mod_cache 19:25 chris and it shouldnt be hard 19:25 chris well, its telling the browser to cache it that is the trick 19:25 arsenic Nice feature also... it let you change the css and view the result in real time in your browser... 19:25 fbcit so how difficult is it to make apache cache the local yui content? 19:25 gmcharlt firebug++ 19:24 chris fetching from yahoo that is 19:24 arsenic Here a tool that I just discovered. It's a firefix extension called Firebug. It's quite interesting. It shows you each element of your web page and tells you how long it takes to load it. 19:24 chris still slow as hell from nz 19:24 fbcit yea, the other issue really should be fixed 19:24 kados chris: the cache happens inside the browser ;-) 19:24 fbcit ;-) 19:24 chris its only fast for ppl near the cache 19:24 fbcit complain-- 19:24 chris heh 19:24 fbcit heh 19:23 kados ok, so now you get to email the list too, and complain about those who complained about grabbing from yahoo :-) 19:23 kados hehe 19:23 fbcit hehe 19:23 kados (not that I have a farm per se) 19:23 kados I'd bet the farm it's cacheing :-) 19:23 fbcit the difference is truly incredible 19:22 fbcit you would not believe it w/o seeing it 19:22 kados or apache serving up YUI content at least 19:22 kados OK, so it is YUI then 19:22 fbcit faster++ 19:22 fbcit not only faster, but it has more features as well 19:22 kados ? 19:21 fbcit g 19:21 fbcit amazin 19:21 fbcit buttons appear that I have never seen before 19:21 fbcit wow! 19:21 kados yea, these are just pages being served up staticly 19:20 atz it would just be a static apache operation 19:20 atz fbcit: this shouldn't use any C4 anything 19:20 arsenic fbcit, http://yui.yahooapis.com/2.3.1/build 19:20 fbcit I think we -no-cache everything in Output.pm don't we? 19:19 atz kados: yeah, simple apache directives 19:19 fbcit what is the proper URL for yui? 19:18 fbcit caching in general needs some work I think 19:18 kados we could probably come up with some fu for apache to tell browsers to cache that yui stuff and not pull it down every time 19:18 kados I think what happens is that apache can't serve up all tha yui stuff fast enough, and it's also not telling the browser to cache it 19:17 fbcit lemme switch to the web version 19:17 kados yea, and maybe yui 19:17 fbcit apache is suspect then? 19:17 kados I don't see any 19:17 fbcit so any obvious issues? 19:16 kados ses 19:16 kados XML::LibXML is the right one, Expat and PurePerl are baddnes 19:16 kados yea 19:15 atz is that the right XML ? 19:15 kados yea 19:15 fbcit look @ utf8 19:15 fbcit biblios:~# 19:15 fbcit 5.85 0.040 0.046 6 0.0066 0.0077 C4::Heading::BEGIN 19:15 fbcit 2.93 0.020 0.020 3 0.0066 0.0066 vars::BEGIN 19:15 fbcit 14.3 0.098 0.163 14 0.0070 0.0116 C4::Context::BEGIN 19:15 fbcit 1.46 0.010 0.009 1 0.0098 0.0087 CGI::Session::load 19:15 kados Overdues? 19:15 fbcit 1.46 0.010 0.019 1 0.0099 0.0195 C4::Output::gettemplate 19:15 fbcit 1.46 0.010 0.010 1 0.0099 0.0097 ZOOM::Query::CCL2RPN::new 19:15 fbcit 8.78 0.060 0.075 6 0.0099 0.0126 XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser::BEGIN 19:15 fbcit ld_map 19:15 fbcit 1.46 0.010 0.010 1 0.0100 0.0100 C4::Biblio::_get_inverted_marc_fie 19:15 fbcit 1.46 0.010 0.010 1 0.0100 0.0100 XML::LibXML::bootstrap 19:15 fbcit 1.46 0.010 0.010 1 0.0100 0.0100 utf8::AUTOLOAD 19:15 fbcit 1.46 0.010 0.010 1 0.0100 0.0100 CGITempFile::find_tempdir 19:15 fbcit 26.3 0.180 0.180 17 0.0106 0.0106 utf8::SWASHNEW 19:15 kados wow! 19:15 fbcit 21.9 0.150 0.565 8 0.0187 0.0707 C4::Overdues::BEGIN 19:14 fbcit 2.93 0.020 0.029 1 0.0199 0.0289 DBI::install_driver 19:14 fbcit 4.24 0.029 0.081 1 0.0291 0.0808 C4::Search::getRecords 19:14 fbcit %Time ExclSec CumulS #Calls sec/call Csec/c Name 19:14 fbcit Exclusive Times 19:14 fbcit User+System Time = 0.683590 Seconds 19:14 fbcit Total Elapsed Time = 0.913590 Seconds 19:14 fbcit biblios:~# cat dprof.txt 19:14 fbcit ahh 19:14 kados any volunteers to test koha-3.00.00-beta2 before I announce it to the world? 19:13 kados dprofpp -v > dprof.txt 19:13 kados then in the same dir, do: 19:13 kados perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib -d:DProf /path/to/opac-search.pl q=harry 19:12 kados try this: 19:12 fbcit which? 19:12 kados can you paste in the whole thing again? 19:12 kados so long as it can find the script and modules it should work 19:11 kados I don't think that should make any diff 19:11 fbcit my install is a 'standard' on debian via INSTALL.debian 19:10 fbcit me too 19:10 kados :( 19:09 fbcit /usr/share/koha/lib 19:09 fbcit /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 19:09 fbcit biblios:~# echo $KOHA_CONF && echo $PERL5LIB 19:08 kados fbcit: echo KOHA_CONF && echo PERL5LIB (verify koha's modules C4 are in the path) 19:07 fbcit I chown'd a few from root:root to koha:koha that were incorrect, but still no joy 19:06 fbcit atz: maybe not 19:04 kados for the opac search 19:04 fbcit koha:koha afaict 19:03 atz fbcit: do you maybe have some koha files w/ a different owner or permissions? 19:03 kados 20.8 0.010 0.010 1 0.0100 0.0098 Carp::shortmess <- 20% is a lot 19:03 kados weird 19:03 fbcit produces no output either 19:03 fbcit dprofpp -u -p /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac opac-search.pl q=history 19:02 kados but basically, it looks like Carp is taking up a lot of time :-) 19:01 kados that didn't paste well 19:01 kados %Time ExclSec CumulS #Calls sec/call Csec/c Name 20.8 0.010 0.010 1 0.0100 0.0098 Carp::shortmess 62.6 0.030 0.038 13 0.0023 0.0029 C4::Context::BEGIN 20.8 0.010 0.010 5 0.0020 0.0020 IO::Seekable::BEGIN 0.00 0.000 0.000 1 0.0000 0.0000 Exporter::Heavy::heavy_export_ok_t 19:01 kados top five are: 19:01 kados and a bunch of stuff 19:01 kados Exclusive Times 19:01 kados Total Elapsed Time = 0.057885 Seconds User+System Time = 0.047885 Seconds 19:01 kados dprofpp -v > dprof.txt 19:01 kados (from within the kohaclone repo on a dev install) 19:00 kados perl -I -d:DProf opac/opac-search.pl q=harry 18:57 fbcit opac-search.pl gives an empty dprof.txt as well 18:56 fbcit opps 18:56 fbcit right 18:56 kados opac-search you mean, right? 18:55 kados just a sec, lemme try 18:54 fbcit it does in opac 18:54 fbcit that search should return at least 3 results 18:54 fbcit that works, but dprof.txt is empty 18:54 kados no ? 18:53 kados perl -d:DProf /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl q=history tmon.out 18:53 kados so what you want is: 18:53 kados dprofpp -v > dprof.txt 18:53 kados perl -d:DProf -I /build/koha circulation.pl findborrower=0054259 tmon.out 18:53 kados time perl -I /build/koha circulation.pl findborrower=0054259 18:53 kados yea, that syntax won't work 18:53 fbcit which is not true 18:53 fbcit Can't open perl script "/usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl?q=history": No such file or directory 18:53 fbcit biblios:~# perl -d:DProf /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl?q=history tmon.out 18:52 kados sorry 18:52 kados or do -I /path/to/C4 18:52 kados drop the -I 18:52 kados ahh, i see 18:52 fbcit also 18:52 fbcit actually alos 18:52 kados ahh 18:51 kados I could have it wrong, this was in my scratchpad 18:51 fbcit Can't open perl script "tmon.out": No such file or directory 18:51 fbcit biblios:~# perl -d:DProf -I /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl?q=history tmon.out 18:51 fbcit acutally 18:51 kados forget the first one 18:51 fbcit no 18:51 kados oops 18:51 fbcit ahh 18:51 kados three lines 18:51 kados no 18:51 fbcit on a single line? 18:51 kados dprofpp -v > dprof.txt 18:51 kados perl -d:DProf -I /build/koha circulation.pl findborrower=0054259 tmon.out 18:51 kados time perl -I /build/koha circulation.pl findborrower=0054259 18:50 fbcit kados:do I need to pipe it to tmon.out or what? 18:50 fbcit Can't open perl script "tmon.out": No such file or directory 18:48 kados time just gives you the hi-level overview 18:48 kados do the others, they will give you more accurate info 18:48 kados kill it 18:48 kados yikes 18:48 fbcit has been running for over 2 min now 18:47 fbcit biblios:~# time perl -I /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl?q=history 18:47 kados fbcit: it's cached in the browser 18:47 fbcit kados: what happens with that setting when inet traffic is congested or down? 18:47 kados arsenic: you can post your success to koha-devel and vote to have yui be the default 18:47 kados arsenic: I think so, yes, but others disagree 18:45 arsenic kados: there is a big difference... thanks... should http://yui.yahooapis.com/2.3.1/build be the default? 18:37 atz you'll need to export proper KOHA_CONF (and possibly other?) env vars for most stuff to run 18:36 fbcit I'll give it a whirl 18:36 kados fbcit: can you run that on opac-main.pl and opac-search.pl (substitute q=someterm) 18:36 kados dprofpp -v > dprof.txt 18:36 kados perl -d:DProf -I /build/koha circulation.pl findborrower=0054259 tmon.out 18:36 kados time perl -I /build/koha circulation.pl findborrower=0054259 18:35 kados something like: 18:35 kados and use the 'time' utility on linux to see how long, and dprofd to do proper benchmarking 18:35 kados cgi will even let you pass in the cgi params for things like searching 18:34 kados you can benchmark the scripts directly from the command line 18:33 qiqo nrn 18:33 fbcit I have 1GB ram and top shows no swapping 18:32 atz fbcit: just do some benchmarking... like a basic command line mysql query 18:32 kados and no myqsl or apache tuning 18:31 qiqo i only have 200 test items 18:31 kados fbcit: and it's running on a VM with 100 Gigs of disk space, and 2 gigs of ram, and I've got 1.5 million bibs loaded, and about 2 million items 18:31 kados fbcit: yep, it's a 'single' install 18:30 fbcit kados: is the install @ koha.liblime.com on debian and installed per INSTALL.debian? 18:30 kados arsenic: it's a syspref, search for 'yahoo' in system preference, or yui 18:29 arsenic kados... oh... and how can i change this? 18:29 kados I wonder if that's part of it 18:29 kados I see you're pulling yahoo content from your local server, rather than yahoo 18:28 qiqo etch 18:28 qiqo yup 18:28 kados qiqo: what platform? debian? 18:28 fbcit maybe apache or maybe mysql tuning? 18:28 kados fbcit: yea 18:28 fbcit kados: seems to be the same symptoms I complained about several days ago 18:27 qiqo 2.0 GHz 2GB DDR 18:27 kados looks like maybe an apache problem? 18:27 qiqo im using dual xeon 18:27 kados wow, it is slow 18:27 qiqo zebra 18:26 atz qiqo: zebra or nozebra? koha version? 18:26 arsenic qiqo: demo.inlibroservices.com 18:25 qiqo that's why i uninstalled first 18:25 qiqo i am also experiencing that 18:25 qiqo which one is it? 18:23 arsenic Anybody knows some tools to help me figuring out why the version of koha I installed is SOOOO slow? 18:11 fbcit arsenic: apache 2.2.3 18:10 fbcit gmcharlt: yea, I figured that, but can't seem to locate the offending code :\ 17:46 qiqo hi arsenic what's the ping for? 17:42 qiqo im so excited 17:42 qiqo :) 17:42 qiqo cool 17:41 kados qiqo: you'd have to ask fbcit, I suspect not yut, but it's not too far off 17:41 qiqo well, i have a win2k3 license that i dont wanna lose 17:41 qiqo and any progress with windows? 17:41 qiqo love you guys 17:41 qiqo cool! 17:41 kados qiqo: beta2 should be out today 17:38 qiqo hi, any date yet for rC? 17:31 arsenic which version of apache are you running? 17:23 gmcharlt fbcit: the script may be using opacdir where it should be using opachtdocs (or vice versa) 17:18 arsenic fbcit: I also had this error with my version. I didn't have time to look at it though, too busy looking why my http://demo.inlibroservices.com is so slow... 16:55 fbcit it appears someone is looking in the wrong htdocs dir for something 16:55 fbcit File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/opac-tmpl, referer: http://biblios.campus.foundations.edu:8080/cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=3 16:55 fbcit or this 16:54 fbcit File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/opac-tmpl, referer: http://biblios.campus.foundations.edu:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=8 16:54 fbcit any thoughts on what might be causing this line in koha-error_log: 16:25 arsenic ok. Can someone tell me why I did install the <single> one... :) 16:23 gmcharlt standard and dev 16:16 arsenic Which install mode is the more stable? or more tested? standard, single or dev? 15:47 gmcharlt indeed 15:47 paul for sure ! 15:47 fbcit it would be ok if they were all that easy to fix hey? 15:47 gmcharlt fbcit: don't worry - I *like* easy questions on occassion ;-) 15:46 atz :) 15:46 atz "it's almost like they have no permissions set!" 15:46 fbcit none 15:46 fbcit man, I feel stupid 15:46 fbcit duhhh 15:46 gmcharlt what user permissions are set? 15:45 fbcit always giving an "unauthorized user" message and the option to log out 15:45 fbcit now koha appears not to allow that user to log in 15:45 fbcit I recreated it after the discovery 15:45 fbcit recently I accidentally deleted a librarian's account 15:44 fbcit gmcharlt: I seem to have an issue with authentication of a user in koha 15:44 gmcharlt hi fbcit 15:44 fbcit hi paul && gmcharlt 15:40 paul hi gmcharlt 15:39 gmcharlt hi paul 15:36 paul hello US ppl 15:30 atz greets 15:29 fbcit hello atz 14:09 atz i don't think I rec'd it 14:07 arsenic atz: I guess that you didn't get the message... 14:05 arsenic The message i got was from koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha.org, so i guess this is the right list. 14:03 atz from nongnu to lists.koha.org 14:03 atz arsenic: lists have been moved recently 14:03 arsenic I received a message from the server telling me that the message was unprocessed...?!? 14:02 arsenic Did someone receive the mail I sent on koha-devel about the itemtype? 12:56 fbcit bbiab 12:56 fbcit I'll have to check and make sure that url is still good 12:56 fbcit hrmm.. 12:55 fbcit arsenic: I have to run, but there needs to be a wiki entry once we find the fix 12:55 arsenic I get a Connection time out. 12:53 fbcit http://koha.foundations.edu 12:53 arsenic I'm clueless about what can be the problem. 12:53 fbcit arsenic: but then, my opac is just about as slow 12:52 fbcit arsenic: wow! that is slow :( 12:51 fbcit I've not had time to look into it here, but it is on the list :) 12:51 fbcit it may have to do with mysql tuning 12:51 arsenic it's accually faster than mine... http://demo.inlibroservices.com 12:50 fbcit arsenic: I'm running the latest HEAD 12:50 fbcit try it here: http://opac.liblime.com/ 12:49 arsenic Are those issues recent? 12:49 fbcit arsenic: I have some opac speed issues, but they appear to be local 12:36 arsenic Hi! I'm currently having some performance issues with the beta I just installed. For example, going from the opac main page to the advanced search is extremly slow. I'm wondering if someone already had this kind of problem. 12:28 fbcit he must be looking for the coffee pot still :) 12:28 fbcit g'morning nengard 12:27 nengard morning fbcit - doesn't look that way 12:14 fbcit kados around? 11:51 fbcit morning #koha 11:40 arsenic good morning!