Time  Nick      Message
13:24 kados     g'morning #koha
13:33 paul      hello kados.
13:33 kados     hi paul
13:33 kados     300 strings?
13:33 paul      (it includes around new 200 help strings)
13:33 paul      (for translation)
13:33 kados     ahh
13:33 paul      quite long & boring process...
13:33 kados     so if a string isn't translated, it's left in English, eh?
13:33 paul      yep.
13:33 kados     in the template?
13:33 paul      yep too
13:34 kados     I wish there was an easier way :(
13:34 paul      the easiest way would have be to have only 1 langage all over earth...
13:34 kados     working on those this morning ... and also quite a boring process!
13:34 paul      s/earth/world/
13:34 kados     :)
13:35 kados     paul: do you use findseealso somewhere?
13:35 paul      I have 3 universities that have officially told to me that they are investigating Koha seriously !
13:35 kados     is that the 'suggestions' feature I've heard about?
13:35 kados     wow!, great news!
13:36 paul      kados : I think it's a remaining 2.2 feature that is now useless
13:36 kados     OK
13:37 paul      could you explain to me what matching-rules is done for ? (I don't understand, so it's hard to translate ...)
13:38 kados     it's the equiv of FindDuplicate
13:38 kados     except it's not hard-coded :-)
13:38 kados     ie, you can go into system administration and defined 'match points'
13:38 kados     s/defined/define/
13:41 kados     rules to find duplicates
13:41 kados     better?
13:42 paul      could you give me a sample of a filled matching-rule ?
13:43 paul      (as most of the field meaning is still mysterious : threshold, score, offset, length, normalization rule...)
13:43 kados     yes, ISBN is an example
13:43 kados     hehe
13:43 kados     there are sample matching rules available
13:43 kados     in the sample data in installer/data/en
13:43 kados     optional I think
13:45 kados     :)
14:13 paul      kados : a quick question : on opac-search, the result list does not have the menu on the left.
14:13 paul      is it something missing or something volunteerly done like that ?
14:13 paul      (we have the "refine your search")
14:14 kados     hmmm
14:14 kados     zebra or nozebra?
14:14 paul      (zebra)
14:14 paul      http://o15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=chaos
14:15 kados     there should be a menu too
14:15 kados     you are missing a syspref
14:15 kados     called OpacNav I think
14:15 paul      nope.
14:15 kados     where you can define the menu
14:16 paul      look at any other page : there is a "BIBLIOTHEQUE DE L'IPT PARIS" +"PAge de liens" + "PAtchwork"
14:16 paul      (+"site de l'ipt paris")
14:17 paul      + on opac-search no menu on the left too
14:17 kados     ahh, maybe it's removed for search results ?
14:17 kados     question for owen ...
14:19 kados     paul: I just pushed up the last of the utf8 fixes ...
14:19 kados     paul: you should be able to use session type mysql now
14:19 kados     paul: galen discovered the problem
14:20 paul      that's was on my plan for today ;-)
14:20 kados     :)
14:20 kados     hiya owen
14:20 owen      Hi folks
14:20 paul      hello owen, a small gift for you just written on bugs.koha.org ;-)
14:21 paul      http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1716
14:26 paul      (45 fuzzy to review + 4 untranlsated)
14:27 paul      (most of them seems related to virtual shelf = > list change)
14:31 gmcharlt_ good morning #koha
14:31 paul      the morning was good for me. it's afternoon now, you're a little bit late gmcharlt_ ;-)
14:32 gmcharlt_ :)
14:32 paul      (but good morning to you anyway)
14:32 gmcharlt_ thanks -- and good day to all :)
14:33 kados     hiya gmcharlt
14:47 paul      kados : I confirm that the patch for utf-8 works well (and the SessionStorage syspref can safely be set to mysql even if you have diacritics in the library name)
14:47 kados     awesome!
14:47 kados     gmcharlt++
14:52 fbcit     g'morning koha
14:53 gmcharlt  hi fbcit
14:54 fbcit     gmcharlt: I worked on XML::LibXSLT more last night/this morning
14:55 fbcit     no success yet, though
14:55 gmcharlt  yeah, got your e-mail
14:56 gmcharlt  but at least looks like progress
14:58 paul      kados, are you still around ?
14:59 paul      do you have plan so solve the git-send-email not working for translations (diacritics mungled) ?
14:59 paul      because it's really a pain to have to tar gz every time I want to submit a patch.
14:59 paul      and with other translations coming, the problem will grow.
15:00 kados     how do we solve it?
15:01 paul      (something like the mail being identified as latin1, even if it is utf8)
15:01 kados     ahh ...
15:02 kados     I'll talk to chris about it today
15:03 paul      8 patches in a tgz file in patches mailbox...
15:04 kados     paul: thanks
15:05 kados     hiya js
15:05 js        hi
15:09 owen      I wonder why number of holds allowed is a system preference for all patrons rather than something defined in patron categories?
15:10 kados     I think it is defined in itemtypes
15:11 paul      owen : it's historic. and nobody ever changed the behaviour.
15:11 paul      but I agree we could have holding rules as we have issuing & fines rules ;-)
15:12 owen      I'm surprised no one has asked for it yet
15:13 paul      I had some questions from libraries, but none saying "hey, I WANT this to change"
15:13 paul      (with our without sponsoring, that's not the core of the problem it seems)
15:16 owen      If I'm in the staff client placing a hold for a patron, I get a message about "Pickup Library is different than patron's home library"
15:16 owen      Should that only be there if IndependentBranches is on?
15:16 paul      right, it should (imho=
15:16 paul      )
15:39 kados     if independantbranches is on the dropdown shouldnt display any branches other than the current one by default
15:40 kados     threre's another syspref called canreservefromotherbranches that enables it again
15:40 kados     http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:independentbranches
15:41 kados     paul: it'd be useful if you could take a look at that page and confirm that it describes the feature as you understand it
15:46 owen      kados: So there's no reason for a message about pickup library being different from home library?
15:47 kados     well, I think it's a useful thing to warn in any case
15:47 owen      So you would vote to keep the message whether or not independantbranches is turned on
15:47 kados     yea, I think so
15:48 kados     because even for NPL, it'd be useful to be warned to verify that the patron wants to pick it up at a branch other than their home branch
15:48 owen      Having an expired card prevents a user from checking something out. Should it also block them from having a hold placed for them in the staff client?
15:49 owen      Right it shows a message, but doesn't block the hold from being placed.
15:51 kados     yea, that makes sense
15:55 owen      kados: I'm thinking we should hide the hold entry form if the patron cannot place the hold, just as we hide the circ form if the patron can't check out. What do you think?
15:56 kados     I agree
15:57 owen      What do you think should be the navigation option at that point? Back to biblio record?
15:58 owen      Reserve for another patron?
15:58 kados     back to biblio record I think
16:07 owen      kados: Here's a glitch
16:07 owen      Hm, never mind I think I can handle it.
16:36 [K]       *** join #koha@FreeNode: rangi n=chris@203-118-134-114.netspace.net.nz
16:40 paul      [K] is chris ?
16:46 kados     should be
16:47 paul      kados => I was surprised by the login : chris, from netspace.net.nz !
16:47 kados     really?
16:47 kados     what should it be?
16:47 kados     metavore? :-)
16:47 paul      nope, just chris
16:47 kados     I think it's because he's on from freenode
16:48 paul      yep, but that's unusual
16:48 paul      thus my question
16:48 kados     :)
17:26 owen      kados, are you accepting questions?
17:28 paul      time to leave for me.
17:28 paul      see you  ... next year !
17:28 paul      (will be off on monday/tuesday, back on jan 2nd)
17:30 kados     owen: sure am
17:30 kados     owen: what's up?
17:36 owen      Regarding Bug 1348: I don't really understand how call numbers are handled now
17:37 owen      Are call numbers handled in a more standardized way now?
17:48 kados     owen: yes
17:51 kados     owen: adding to the wiki ... just a moment
17:55 kados     this is incomplete:
17:55 kados     http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:callnumbers
17:55 kados     but a good start
17:57 kados     owen: is what's there enough to go on?
17:58 kados     owen: basically, for bib-level call numbers you can concatenate cn_class and cn_item and cn_suffix
17:58 kados     owen: item-level call numbers are just itemcallnumber
17:59 kados     owen: make sense?
18:00 owen      On an abstract level...
18:01 kados     not in practice though? :-)
18:01 owen      Let's be specific: In my installation at least, there's nothing listed in the call number column in the list of checkouts in circulation
18:01 owen      Should I alter the template to output cn_class and cn_item and cn_suffix?
18:01 owen      ...or is there a problem with my data?
18:01 kados     got a link?
18:03 kados     you should add cn_class, cn_item and cn_suffix to the template
18:03 kados     and replace whatever's there
18:03 kados     ie, classification, dewey have gone away
18:04 kados     but note
18:04 kados     your data doesn't have cn_* in it
18:04 kados     at the biblio level anyway
18:04 kados     it would be in 942 if you did have it
18:05 kados     ok, Writing as social action /   should now have a cn_class
18:05 kados     although ...
18:05 kados     come to think of it
18:05 kados     these are items
18:05 kados     so they probably need itemcallnumber
18:06 kados     sorry ... yea, tey need itemcallnumber
18:06 kados     :(
18:06 owen      So for instance with NPL's database, the upgrade process will have to populate those fields
18:07 kados     yes
18:07 owen      Okay.
18:07 kados     I believe we've done it previously for inventory purposes
18:07 kados     hehe
19:04 owen      kados: re: checkouts without date due, are you talking about my record?
19:05 kados     owen: yea
19:05 owen      That's an artifact of the bug where books checked out with a "specify due date" date didn't get a date due
19:06 kados     ahh, ok
19:06 kados     phew! :-)
19:19 owen      kados, back to the callnumber thing...If the display referrs to items (like in checkout and check in), the itemcallnumber should be displayed...but will that always be populated? Should it be <if itemcallnumber>itemcallnumber<else>cn_data</if>
19:19 kados     it should always be populated
19:19 kados     so we don't need the IF
19:21 owen      so itemcallnumber would get populated automatically from the biblio record (942?)
19:25 kados     yes, in some configurations
19:25 kados     in others, people will be crafting each one separately :-)
19:26 owen      Of course.
19:34 owen      does o - Koha full call number = itemcallnumber?
19:36 kados     yes
19:53 owen      Why should I not be able to place a hold on a specific copy if that copy is checked out?
20:01 kados     because san-op says so
20:01 kados     :)
20:02 gmcharlt  I smell a syspref here
20:03 kados     we need a configuration template for 'holdability' of an item
20:03 kados     it's all contained in about 10 lines of perl atm
20:03 kados     :)
20:03 gmcharlt  kados: does Koha currently support recalls?
20:03 kados     no
20:04 kados     but that's int he WALDo spec
20:04 kados     as is course reserves
20:06 owen      kados: I think we've got some confusion going on regarding the definition of "in transit"
20:07 owen      http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-reserve.pl?biblionumber=109
20:07 owen      The list of items there says the last one is checked out and in transit
20:08 owen      I would say being checked out negates the in-transit
20:09 kados     if anything the item is 'out of place'
20:09 kados     ie, not at home
20:09 kados     but when it's checked out displaying that probly doesn't matter
20:09 kados     owen: can you file a bug report for that one?
20:09 owen      Yeah, but since it's checked out (not in the library at all), I don't think the homebranch/holdingbranch distinction is relevant for display
20:10 kados     *nod*
20:10 owen      Yeah, I'll file a bug
20:26 kados     :)
20:34 owen      moredetail.pl still isn't showing me that an item is checked out. Didn't I see a fix for that come through?
20:36 kados     I thought so
20:36 kados     another bug?
20:36 owen      I guess so
20:42 kados     hehe
21:15 owen      kados, have you tested display of ccode? I'm not seeing it come through to detail.pl
21:16 kados     bug it :-)
21:18 fbcit     bb in 8 days koha... Happy New Year
22:11 atz       perl 5.10.0 released: http://dev.perl.org/perl5/news/2007/perl-5.10.0.html
22:12 atz       including a real switch statement and recursive REGEXP (sweet)
03:51 kados     recursive_regex++
03:54 gmcharlt  named_captures++