Time Nick Message 13:54 fbcit u around kados? 13:56 paul hi fbcit 13:56 fbcit hi paul 13:56 paul (kados told me in a pm that he should arrive quickly now) 13:56 fbcit great 14:07 fbcit brb 14:30 fbcit paul ? 14:30 paul yep. 14:30 paul seems you're back before kados ;-) 14:30 fbcit :) 14:30 fbcit I have moved my koha db to another machine using mysqldump 14:31 fbcit everything seems ok, but 14:31 fbcit the installer now says... 14:32 fbcit "We are upgrading from Koha 3.00.00.035 to 3.00.00.35, you must update your database" 14:32 fbcit but 14:32 fbcit a select shows this 14:32 fbcit Version | 3.0000035 on original machine 14:33 fbcit Version | 3.0000035 on new machine 14:33 fbcit any thoughts? 14:33 paul maybe a diff in the code itself, not in the database ? 14:40 fbcit paul: that must have been it as rebasing corrected the problem... tnx. 14:53 kados morning all 14:53 kados fbcit: can you confirm this patch is correct: 14:53 kados http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=11005a5236326abe8e671fd454d00aa3904f88af 14:53 paul hello kados 14:53 kados paul: mail for you in your inbox (just sent) 14:55 paul kados : about notforloan reintroduced, do you want the patch directly, or I send it to patches ? 14:55 paul I've discovered 2 other problems : 14:56 paul - searchhighlightblob that makes me having biblio description twice on screen. 14:56 kados paul: was notforloan originally visible somewhere? 14:56 paul (in the result lists) 14:56 paul kados: yep, as a status, in the result list 14:56 kados results page? 14:56 kados or detail page? 14:56 paul yep 14:56 paul both 14:56 kados ok 14:56 kados I can add it back in 14:57 paul i already did it 14:57 kados ahh, ok 14:57 kados you can send to patches@koha.org then 14:57 paul (on the results page) 14:57 kados re: searchhighlightblob ... 14:57 kados perhaps it should be a syspref which to display? 14:57 paul mmm... what kind of display do you have ? 14:58 paul (go to http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=chaos) 14:58 paul (abel/abel) 14:58 kados k 14:58 paul you'll see what is strange on my side 14:58 fbcit kados: correct 14:58 kados paul: which title 14:58 kados fbcit: thanks 14:59 paul everyone. 14:59 paul 1. From chaos to covenant modifié 3 ,uses of prophecy in the book of Jeremiah 14:59 paul img Robert P. Carroll - 1981 - S.C.M Description: - viii, 344 p. ; 22 cm Livre 14:59 paul From chaos to covenant modifié 3 uses of prophecy in the book of Jeremiah Robert P. Carroll MONO ... 14:59 fbcit it is now at installer/data/Pg/kohastructure.sql 14:59 paul you get twice "From chaos to covenant modifié 3" 14:59 paul line 1 and line 3) 14:59 kados really strange ... is that the title? 14:59 paul (line 3 being the searchhighlightblob) 14:59 paul yep. 14:59 kados ok, and it's not what you want? 14:59 paul title+author+itemtype 15:00 kados note: google does this too 15:00 paul ??? you get the info twice. Do you really want that ? 15:00 kados maybe we could just omit the title from searchhighlightblob? 15:01 kados woudl that fix it? 15:01 kados if so it's easy to do 15:01 paul could you give me a ggl sample ? 15:01 kados http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=chaos 15:01 kados :-) 15:01 kados Chaos (2008) - Movie Preview - RopeofSilicon.com 15:01 kados CHAOS (2008) Movie, synopsis, trailer, pictures, cast, director, release date, 15:02 paul I don't have that result from ggl. 15:02 paul I get, as 1st result : 15:02 paul Chaos theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 15:02 paul Free encyclopedia article describing the basics of the theory. Addresses mathematical, physical and historical aspects. 15:02 paul en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory - 87k - Cached - Similar pages 15:02 kados but I agree it looks like google omits the title of the page from it's searchhighlight blob 15:02 kados so lets do that 15:02 paul i'm not sure that will be enough. 15:03 kados title + description then? 15:03 paul because the searchhighlight shows things that already are in the 1st line : title + author + itemtype 15:03 paul so what is the additional information ? 15:04 kados ahh, let me explain 15:04 paul (I have "chaos" highlighted in both, so I really don't see what's new on line 3 15:04 paul ) 15:04 kados for instance, notes 15:04 kados often you can do a search and not understand why a result matched your search 15:04 paul right : result 4 in my search "chaos" 15:05 kados well, in that case it's in the title 15:05 kados #7 is a better example 15:05 kados well, even that is not perfect 15:05 kados 8. Encountering evil ,live options in theodicy 15:05 kados that one is good 15:05 paul #8 is good 15:05 paul "Encountering evil" 15:05 kados so, it's useful to see why it matched that hit 15:06 paul ok, then I agree it's interesting, but only if you display here something that is not displayed somewhere else (title, subtitle, author mainly) 15:06 kados *nod* 15:06 kados but subtitle is not displayed ;-) 15:06 paul #8 : ,live options in theodicy 15:06 paul it's the subtitle if I don't mind 15:07 kados impossible ... 15:07 kados subtitle mapping was lost 15:07 kados how does it work for you? 15:08 paul this field ("sub-title" in unimarc) is mapped to "biblioitems.volume" 15:09 paul I agree it's unproper. 15:09 paul but that's probably why IPT never told me anything about missing subtitles. 15:09 paul as they are not missing ! 15:09 kados :-) 15:09 paul "the truth is elsewhere" 15:10 paul another problem i just discovered : the "itemtypes.notforloan" feature is not handled 15:11 kados in circ? 15:11 paul itemtype="THEA" (Thèse ancienne) is "not for loan" 15:11 paul and in results page, I can't see that 15:11 paul http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=calvin 15:12 paul mmm... 15:12 paul i'm wrong, sorry. 15:12 kados shudln't a notforloan be available? 15:12 paul not completly, but not completly right either... 15:12 kados and the 'Holds' link will go away if only notforloan ones are avaialble 15:12 paul let me explain 15:12 paul the "holds" link has disappeared, you're right. 15:12 paul but you have "1 available" on the right. 15:13 kados *nod* 15:13 paul so, one may think that he can issue the book 15:13 kados but it says no hold allowed :-) 15:13 paul (but not reserve it) 15:13 paul don't you have a case where you can't reserve a book but can issue it ? 15:13 kados no 15:13 kados but I agree it's a real case 15:13 paul a lot of our libraries here are doing that for new acqui 15:13 kados but how do you do that? 15:14 kados since we only have one notforloan field? 15:14 paul right. 15:14 kados we need a notforhold field 15:14 kados :) 15:14 kados (in general, are you pleased with the display options now, for staff and opac results? ...) 15:15 paul opac is ready now ? 15:15 kados (I know some of your librarians weren't happy with it) 15:15 kados there are two options for display ... the staff results demonstrates one, the opac the other 15:15 paul bad news : I can issue a THEA, even if the notforloan is set (just tested by issuing 2 THEA to olivier abel) 15:15 kados one is complex, and another is simple 15:16 paul http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=1 15:16 kados I have found many bugs related to reserves/holds too 15:16 kados *nod* 15:18 paul I like the display, on OPAC, with the green for copies available. 15:18 kados if you have zebraqueue running, you can watch the availability change in real time :-) 15:18 paul but why the hell don't you want to reintroduce location and itemcallnumber in that list ? 15:19 kados heh 15:19 kados because US libraries think it's too much info 15:19 kados *shrug* 15:19 kados the same template code from the staff client will work there 15:19 paul (fun to see that in france, we say "why the heaven don't ..." 15:19 paul ) 15:19 kados so perhaps we need a syspref 15:19 kados to say which view to display on the opac 15:20 paul yep, because location & callnumber are VERY important for specialised libraries. 15:20 paul where public libraries could probably live without that information on result page. 15:20 paul what could be the name of that syspref ? 15:21 kados OPACResultsDisplay with two options 15:21 kados ? 15:21 paul OPACDisplayItem 15:21 paul ok for OPACResultsDisplay 15:21 paul "full" and "short" options ? 15:21 kados how about statuses and itemdetails 15:21 paul defaulted to "short" of course ;-) 15:22 paul OK. 15:22 paul I prefer "OPACDisplayItem" in fact, as this syspref is only for item displaying. 15:22 kados *nod* 15:22 kados OPACItemResultsDisplay :-) 15:23 kados or OPACItemsResultsDisplay ... 15:23 paul OK 15:23 kados now we're getting good :- 15:23 kados ) 15:23 paul i'll do it if you want 15:23 kados OK 15:27 gmcharlt good morning #koha 15:28 fbcit g'morning gmcharlt 15:28 kados morning gmcharlt 15:28 fbcit gmcharlt: Question re install.pl 15:29 gmcharlt ok 15:29 fbcit have you tested data imports into mysql and Pg w/foreign key constraints left on? 15:30 gmcharlt fbcit: on mysql on Monday, actually :) 15:31 fbcit and no complaints from mysql? 15:31 gmcharlt fbcit: it works except for some cases where you pick and choose some of the optional ones 15:31 gmcharlt e.g., sample_patrons.sql complains if you don't also select the sample libraries and patron categories 15:31 gmcharlt but if you choose all or none of the optional ones, it works 15:31 fbcit hrmm 15:32 kados how else could it work? 15:32 fbcit I noticed in a mysqldump I did earlier today that mysql switches off FK checking during export/import 15:34 gmcharlt fbcit: mysql may need to do that for the general case of import 15:34 gmcharlt but the install scripts should be coded to work better than that 15:37 fbcit I think we need to prevent the user from getting into a scenario where FK constraints could be a problem at least. 15:37 fbcit during install, that is 15:38 gmcharlt fbcit: I agree; one part is that the sample data scripts needs to be designed that way 15:38 gmcharlt another part (to be added) to is create some sort of manifest or dependency tracking 15:38 gmcharlt so that user can only select a set of scripts that is consistent 15:39 gmcharlt e.g., if you select sample patrons, you automatically bring in sample libraries and patron categories 15:40 gmcharlt kados: does Makefile.PL need an option to build language-specific templates from an available language pack? 15:40 kados yes 15:40 fbcit FK was an afterthought for mysql and the sql scripts are based on older mysql versions I think 15:40 kados the available language packs are in ... 15:40 kados misc/translator/po/ 15:40 kados and the naming convention follows RFC4646 15:41 kados with i-opac (interface) and t-prog (template) and v-3000000 (version) 15:41 gmcharlt so right now the only available one is fr-FR -- are there any others coming soon? 15:41 kados there is an arabic one in translation 15:41 kados and we can pretty quickly throw together an en-CA and fr-CA (debra) 15:42 kados I'm sure if we prodded we could get koha-translate people to get started on translating 3.0 15:42 kados but the problem thusfar has been that the templates haven't been stable enough 15:42 gmcharlt the default language is en, of course; but what region is the official default? NZ, UK, US? 15:42 kados as in , too many changes 15:42 kados it was supposed to be en-UK 15:42 kados but I'm afraid some en-US stuff has crept in 15:43 kados we may have to switch to en-US as the default due to the dearth of en-UK programmers in the community 15:43 gmcharlt ok; besides slef, is there anybody else in the UK? 15:44 kados no, but the NZ guys speak the queen's english :-) 15:45 gmcharlt right, although I would imagine there are some differences between en-UK and en-NZ 15:45 gmcharlt although not necessarily any that matter in an OPAC :) 15:45 kados yea 15:46 gmcharlt en-AU: s/patrons/cobbers/g? :) 15:46 kados and some code to really improve the i18n support 15:46 kados hehe 15:46 gmcharlt kados: good 15:47 gmcharlt I think by default all available language packs should be copied in the installed tree, not just whatever is chosen during Makefile.PL 15:47 gmcharlt and provide instructions for building new templates 15:47 gmcharlt I figure there won't be a file space issue unless we end up with hundreds of translations 15:48 kados *nod* I agree 15:48 kados it's pretty easy to do that too 16:02 paul kados : do you have itemcallumber column in search.pl?q=something ? result list ? 16:02 paul because I don't have 16:02 paul (i just have branch & callnumber) 16:03 kados hmmm 16:03 kados what do you mean? 16:03 paul http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=chaos 16:03 paul I don't see "magasin" wich is location of most of the items 16:03 kados Fonds Paul Ricoeur [test b] (1) 16:03 paul IPT Paris, Magasin [33.652] for example 16:04 kados test b is itemcallnumber, no? 16:04 paul Fonds Paul ricoeur is the branch test b is the callnumber 16:04 paul but no location 16:04 kados location? ... you mean items.location ? 16:04 paul yep 16:04 kados ahh, items.locaion is a coded value, no? 16:04 paul authorised value, right 16:04 kados it's linked to authorized values SHELF_LOC, right? 16:04 paul nope. 16:05 paul it's linked to "LOCAL" here 16:05 kados ahh 16:05 kados that's the prob :-) 16:05 paul ok, so i'll remove the hardcoded link to SHELF_LOC, is it OK for you ? 16:05 kados ? 16:05 kados what do you mean? 16:05 paul (& get it from the marc_subfield_structure) 16:06 kados I think we should agree on the mapping 16:06 kados ie, we should pick either LOCAL or SHELF_LOC 16:06 kados and remove reference to the other 16:07 paul mmm... then I would prefer LOCAL from far, as I have 4 libraries in production already using LOCAL 16:07 kados http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:kohastatuses 16:07 kados OK, no prob 16:07 paul & all 2.2 are using it as well 16:07 kados so we need to update in quite a few places 16:07 paul (it's "LOC" in fact, not "LOCAL") 16:08 kados ok, even better 16:08 paul ok, now it works better : 16:08 paul http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=chaos 16:08 paul #3 for example 16:09 paul do you want me to fix that everywhere ? 16:09 kados auth_vals.sql, marc21 frameworks (all), the getLocations sub 16:09 kados anywhere else? 16:10 kados ahh, the wiki page: 16:10 kados http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:kohastatuses 16:10 kados I think that's it 16:10 kados paul: yes, you can update 16:11 kados ahh, it's not on the wiki anyway 16:11 kados paul: in fact, i see some new auth values that I don't recognize 16:12 kados Asort1, etc. 16:12 kados paul: what are those? 16:15 CGI715 What is the name of the new cataloging module looks like an email format--Biblios? 16:15 kados CGI715: yes 16:15 kados CGI715: where did you hear about that? :-) 16:17 paul kados : Asort1 and Asort2 are acquisition values, attached to orders for stats purposes 16:17 paul same as Bsort1 and Bsort2 for patrons 16:17 kados paul: I think also that I should modif some of the auth values that are specifically related to the MARC holdings standard to prefix them with HOLDINGS_ 16:17 paul like HOLDINGS_LOC for example ;-) 16:17 CGI715 I'm chatting with Mary Laffler from OPLIN and she's describing this module? 16:17 kados no, not that one 16:18 kados CGI715: tell Mary Josh Ferrary says hi :-) 16:18 kados Ferraro I mean :-) 16:18 kados paul: not that one ... 16:18 kados paul: COMPLETENESS for instance 16:18 CGI715 just did Josh! 16:18 kados PHYS_FORMS, etc 16:19 CGI715 So what about that module? 16:19 kados CGI715: well, it hasn't been released yet 16:19 kados CGI715: it should be available early next year 16:19 CGI715 Can you tell us when it will? 16:19 kados CGI715: it's in beta testing right now 16:19 kados CGI715: send me an email if you'd like to be a beta tester 16:20 CGI715 Can I see the beta or is someone testing it? 16:20 kados CGI715: jmf AT LibLime DOT com 16:20 CGI715 I have your email address memorized. Will do. 16:20 kados CGI715: yes, you can see it, but I have to put you in touch with the development team, so they can send you the info 16:20 CGI715 We both say thanks. 16:20 kados no prob, have a great holiday week (sorta) :-) 16:20 CGI715 We still want to know the name of it--please respond 16:21 kados ‡biblios is the name 16:21 CGI715 I'm working this week. 16:21 kados yea, me too :/ 16:21 CGI715 Thanks--that's what we thought. I'll sign off now--oops one more question! 16:21 kados heh 16:21 CGI715 What do I need to do to be a beta tester? 16:22 kados is this Deb? :-) 16:22 paul CGI715: you just need to test ;-) 16:22 kados CGI715: I will put you in touch with the dev team and they will explain it to you 16:22 CGI715 of course it's Deb I thought you knew--sorry--do you need more coffee?! 16:24 CGI715 ok I'll wait to hear from the dev team. Do I need to provide my email address or give it to you, Josh? 16:24 kados CGI715: i've got it :-) 16:25 CGI715 ok I'll wait to hear from you or the dev team. Mary and Deb signing off now so you can get back to real work. 16:32 kados paul: so ... Asort1, etc ... what should the default values be? 16:32 paul imho, there can't be any. 16:32 paul as it's really "free for stats" 16:33 kados do we have some help text explaining this somewhere? 16:33 paul for public libraries, in france, we usually set something to Bsort1, that is required by the gov for example 16:33 paul in the auth value, i've recently added a small description when the user select Asort1 or one of the hardcoded values 16:34 paul (just before the <table> with the list) 16:34 kados I see it now 16:34 kados ok, thanks 16:35 kados lets make a kohaauthvalues wiki page 16:36 kados authorised_value is varchar(10) ... is that large enough? 16:37 paul varchar(10) is quite standard size for Koha for codes. 16:37 paul and i think it's really better to have most codes with the same size 16:37 kados ok 16:48 kados paul: how about SUGGEST, what should be the default values? 16:48 paul we could have : - "No more budget" 16:48 paul - "pas dans notre politique documentaire" (sorry, don't know how to translate) 16:48 paul - already ordered 16:48 paul - already in the catalogue 16:49 kados values? +1 accept, -1 reject? 16:50 paul mmm... good idea 16:50 kados oh, it's not implemented? 16:50 kados ok, so it's just a list of 'reject' reasons, eh? 16:50 paul nope 16:50 paul it's just a list of "reason" 16:50 kados ok 16:50 paul accept & reject all together 16:51 kados k 16:54 kados http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:kohaauthvalues 16:55 kados needs some more info, but I think i have them all listed now 16:55 kados oops, missing CCODE, STACK and LOC 17:07 kados paul: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:kohaauthvalues 17:07 kados paul: can you update and add any missing ones from fr-FR/UNIMARC ? 17:45 tim kados: this is what I was trying to get done a couple weeks ago. 17:45 tim http://opactest.wlpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=22104 17:46 tim The URLs section just above the center of the page. 17:50 kados hey tim 17:50 kados cool 17:50 kados looks good 17:50 tim I added a few lines to Search.pm to get it to work. 17:51 tim I tried to show it to you last week, but a router had a seizure. 17:53 kados *nod* 18:46 [K] *** join #koha@FreeNode: rangi n=chris@121-73-68-100.cable.telstraclear.net 04:40 [K] *** join #koha@FreeNode: rangi n=chris@203-118-134-114.netspace.net.nz