Time Nick Message 01:32 aklibrarian Correct words makes all the difference 01:23 masonj_ I not 1 01:22 masonj_ API2, not AP12 01:22 masonj_ ooh, typo 01:21 aklibrarian Cannot install PDF::AP12, don't know what it is 01:20 masonj_ try, sudo perl -MCPAN -e ' install "PDF::AP12"' 01:18 aklibrarian Does the command sudo perl -MCPAN -e ' install "You will need PDF::AP12 for barcode generator"' Sound correct 01:15 masonj_ its got me before too :) 01:14 masonj_ yeah, 2.1.50 isnt 2.1.5.0 01:14 aklibrarian Got it. I thought the numbering was different. 01:13 masonj_ ah, 2.1.5 is 45 versions behind 2.1.50 :) 01:12 aklibrarian I thought it was, but I get an error message that I have YAZ 2.1.8 AND I need at least 2.1.50 01:11 masonj_ hmm, its a later version. 01:10 aklibrarian Is YAZ 2.1.8 earlier than 2.1.5 I am getting an installation error for this. 23:49 aklibrarian I found that I only thought I had all the prerequisistes done for this. 23:41 aklibrarian That worked. Thanksz 23:39 chris basically you have to get all the software koha depends on, like mysql, and apache and the perl modules installed, then as root run perl installer.pl 23:38 chris you have the installing koha on ubuntu webpage eh ... thats about the best resource there is for getting 2.2.9 going on ubuntu 23:37 aklibrarian lol, I have been trying to open it for an hour now. 23:37 chris nope thats old and out of date 23:35 chris ahh im fairly sure nothing in there will be helpful, let me just check 23:34 aklibrarian I want to open it before I go on to see how it could help me, I seem to need a lot of help. 23:34 aklibrarian Hints is one of the files in the program 23:32 chris i meant what is open hints? im unsure what you are trying to do 23:32 aklibrarian I tried that and i get permission denied. Unable to open vt 7 23:31 chris open hints? 23:31 aklibrarian Chris, I am back to installing Koha. I am trying to Open Hints and I can't do it. It tells me permission denied. Any ideas? I am using Ubuntu 21:25 chris s 21:25 chris no worrie 21:25 owen Thanks for your help chris 21:25 owen There must be a bug in the template for those with no other messages. I'll have to check it out tomorrow 21:25 chris that might be the issue a misplaced tmpl_if maybe 21:24 chris yep, overdue and fines 21:24 owen I'm not seeing the message on the right for my patron. Does that patron have other messages? 21:24 chris on the right, and in the holds tab 21:24 chris its in both places 21:23 owen Right there on the screen, rather than down in the "holds" tab? 21:21 chris yep there it is 21:21 chris havent looked, ill go check 21:21 owen Are you seeing the "hold waiting" message on the circ screen of the patron you reserved for? 21:20 chris heh 21:20 owen Or maybe I'm just crazy 21:20 owen Dang, working for me now too. I wonder if I've got the steps wrong 21:19 chris hmm do you have independentbranches on? 21:19 chris seems to be working fine 21:19 chris hold found (item is already waiting) 21:18 chris now im gonna go return it at southwest bend 21:18 chris clicked that 21:18 chris and a button to confirm and transfer 21:18 chris i get hold found 21:17 chris gonna return it to main 21:17 chris ok reserved it to be picked up at southwest bend 21:14 chris ill turn it on and retest 21:14 chris weird 21:14 chris hmm then maybe not 21:14 owen Off for me too 21:13 chris its off 21:13 chris ahh that'll be it 21:12 chris lemme check 21:12 owen do you have ReservesNeedReturns turned on in sys prefs? 21:12 chris yep 21:11 owen chris? 20:52 fbcit tnx aklibrarian 20:51 aklibrarian The local copy gets it from 082 20:51 aklibrarian I change it 20:49 fbcit when importing a marc record, does one modify the dewey decimal classification number to match the local copy? 20:48 fbcit one other librarian type question.... 20:47 masonj hiya back fbcit 20:46 aklibrarian I love being at my desk. I am trying to install Koha on Ubuntu this morning. It is much easier to do from your own desk and not in a different village. 20:44 fbcit hi masonj 20:44 masonj morning #koha 20:43 aklibrarian This is the first year we will have interlibrary loan between branches. 20:43 aklibrarian I don't know if any of my patrons use it as much as they should, but I am trying this year. 20:42 aklibrarian Koha will the third I have used. 20:42 aklibrarian Any system 20:39 owen aklibrarian: With Koha, or another system? 20:39 aklibrarian I don't think they help that much Either that or I haven't taught my patrons enough about their use. 20:37 fbcit tnx everyone for the MARC 21 Authorities 101 class... :-) 20:36 fbcit ok, so I think I'll proceed w/o them for the time being. 20:36 owen I'm not sure how Koha does it, but other systems use authority records to provide feedback to the patron about "see also" references 20:35 owen One benefit of having authority records is that the patron can browse by authority in the OPAC 20:35 fbcit do authority records assist in patron searches as well? 20:35 gmcharlt right -- MARC 21 authority support is in fact in need of tweaking atm 20:32 owen fbcit, there's no reason why you /need/ authority records 20:32 fbcit 3. Add marc records...? 20:32 aklibrarian I don't know anyone that has enough time to worry about death dates. 20:32 fbcit 2. Get some accurate auth records 20:31 fbcit so really I should: 1. turn off the BibloAddsAuthorities && 20:31 owen Wow, I can think of better things to do with my time! 20:30 gmcharlt and you'd be amazed about the long and bitter debates about author death dates in name authority records 20:30 fbcit :-) 20:30 owen Someone's gotta add a year to all the recently-dead authors... 20:29 gmcharlt authority control vendors can also correct outdated forms of various headings 20:29 gmcharlt the authority control vendors can also analyze a library's bib file, determine which authorities fit, and supply the authorities in a MARC file 20:28 gmcharlt so people often end up paying OCLC or so-called authority control vendors for the records 20:28 gmcharlt yep, but at present not in the most convenient fashion to actually get at 20:27 fbcit I notice that loc.gov has auth records for free 20:27 gmcharlt so yeah, as owen said, most catalogers try to look up and get a valid authority record before creating one from scratch 20:27 owen I think in France the records are free to Frech libraries 20:27 gmcharlt national libraries and library collectivies like LC, OCLC, NLA, NLNZ, etc maintain big authority files 20:27 owen fbcit: In the U.S. libraries are probably most accustomed to buying their authority records from someone else, rather than creating them from scratch 20:26 gmcharlt e.g., if you're cataloging the first book by an author, no authority exists yet, so you can create one for that person 20:26 gmcharlt often 20:26 fbcit gmcharlt: so authorities can be added after the fact? 20:25 chris :) 20:25 gmcharlt here endeth the nutshell 20:25 gmcharlt 5. (and in a way, this is the least important function) catch typos when entering access headings 20:25 gmcharlt War and Peace, rather 20:25 gmcharlt 4. link variant forms of titles for the same work -- e.g., "War and Piece" is the English name of whatever the Russian title is 20:24 gmcharlt 3. link subjects -- i.e., urology is a part of medicine; or if you're interested in cars, see automobiles 20:23 gmcharlt 2. related different forms of names (e.g., think of Shakespeare's name in every language his plays were published in) 20:23 gmcharlt 1. create unique entry for each name or subject heading 20:23 gmcharlt here's authority records in a nutshell: 20:23 gmcharlt fbcit: that's a part of it 20:22 fbcit for marc records? 20:22 fbcit data entry rules? 20:22 fbcit so authority records basically help enforce rules? 20:21 chris ahhh yep good point 20:21 aklibrarian gm, I agree with you 20:21 gmcharlt cataloger should have an option to review the new records first 20:21 aklibrarian As a librarian, I would like it if it asked my approval before adding it. 20:21 gmcharlt main issue I have it with is that it happens completely silently to the cataloger at the moment 20:21 chris a lot of libraries will like it 20:20 chris i suspect youd get a bunch of duplicates ... but for places like NZ .. where the national library charges an arm and a leg for authority records 20:20 gmcharlt but if it is just config, probably indicates install doc bug 20:20 gmcharlt it may be a configuration issue -- either missing framework or setting up Zebra authority index 20:19 gmcharlt yeah, go ahead and file a bug 20:19 fbcit bugzilla? 20:19 gmcharlt fbcit: yes, it should 20:19 fbcit should it work ok? 20:18 chris ohh how cool 20:18 gmcharlt yes -- automatically creating authorities is not something every library will want turned on 20:18 owen gmcharlt: Koha now creates authority records every time a record is saved? 20:18 fbcit gmcharlt: I'm actually trying to get a copy into production here. Is turning it off a "safe" option? 20:17 gmcharlt to disable this 20:17 gmcharlt if this is blocking something else you're pursuing, you can turn off the BibloAddsAuthorities preference 20:16 gmcharlt fbcit: this is code that is automatically trying to create authority records for each bib heading 20:12 fbcit owen: only because it breaks in the section of code which looks like it builds an authority record when none exists.... 20:12 chris no you shouldnt have to 20:11 owen I don't understand--why do you think it's related to authority records? 20:11 fbcit do I have to create authorities for each 'foo'... whatever 'foo' is? 20:11 fbcit and the 'else' breaks 20:10 owen But then the next time I tried something it worked okay. 20:10 fbcit looks like there is no authority record.... 20:10 owen I got an error yesterday when I tried to save something that I grabbed via z3950. 20:10 fbcit Can't coerce array into hash at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/kohaclone1/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 690. 20:10 fbcit yes 20:10 chris http://authorities.loc.gov/help/auth-faq.htm#1 20:10 owen-away Did you get an error when you tried that? 20:09 fbcit I'm trying to figure out why things break when I go to save a marc record imported from loc.gov... 20:08 chris or subjects 20:08 chris ahhh thats a librarian question :) basically from what ive gathered, you have authority records to stop you having 28 slightly different spellings of an authors name 20:06 fbcit chris: what is the relationship between authorities and marc records? 20:04 chris hi 20:03 fbcit hi chris 19:47 [K] *** join #koha@FreeNode: rangi n=chris@203-118-134-114.netspace.net.nz 19:14 fbcit Can't coerce array into hash at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/kohaclone1/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 690. 19:14 fbcit when attempting to add a marc record retrieved from loc.gov, I get the following: 19:13 fbcit uhoh... 18:05 ryan yep 18:05 atz i assume this is fine, since it's just dups 18:05 ryan np there 18:05 atz also duplicates: column name 'itype' (line 584), entries 'QueryStemming','QueryFuzzy','QueryWeightFields' for key 1 (lines 711-713) 18:02 atz updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'damaged' at /home/atz/koha/production/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 561. 18:02 atz i get some updatedabase errors 18:00 ryan my fault 18:00 ryan yeah - is template bug. 17:59 atz rch: i have a high degree of certainty those tests will produce correct results 17:54 atz perl -MC4::Dates -e 'print C4::Dates->new->format(), "\n";' 17:53 atz try this: perl -MC4::Dates -e 'print C4::Dates->DHTMLcalendar, "\n";' 17:51 atz if you had iso syspref... you get iso 17:51 ryan ok, owen's right 17:51 ryan huh 17:50 atz nice. 17:50 atz lol 17:49 atz me either. 17:49 ryan i'm not seeing the problem. 17:49 atz not much to it. 17:48 atz } 17:48 atz return $posix_map{$format}; 17:48 atz my $format = (@_) ? shift : $prefformat; 17:48 atz my $class = shift; 17:48 atz sub DHTMLcalendar ($;$) { # interface to posix_map 17:46 ryan not iso ? 17:46 ryan should return syspref fmt , right ? 17:46 atz ? 17:46 ryan seems to return wrong format now. 17:44 ryan so DHTMLformat => C4::Dates->DHTMLcalendar(), 17:43 atz which I can see now fits our application better 17:42 atz moving the default from "if object declared in a format, then remember the format" to "forget declared format, default to syspref" 17:42 atz i think that was a patch from paul recently 17:42 ryan i'll update that. 17:42 ryan ah, i see. 17:41 owen ryan, I'm getting iso format dates from the date picker even though my sys pref says US 17:41 atz there are likely to be some snags w/ different javascript validation functions that are not in the same pattern of usage 17:40 ryan owen: circulation.pl should be correct. 17:40 owen Okay 17:40 atz but if it is Dates, then please do 17:39 atz if it is still using C4:Date, then you don't need to bother 17:39 owen So atz, you'll be doing a systematic look at date-handling in scripts, so I shouldn't file bugs for date problems? 17:38 owen gotcha 17:37 atz it doesn't do computation 17:37 atz C4::Dates just provides the format-independent and syspref-aware date storage 17:37 atz Calc allows you to say "how many days between X and Y dates" 17:36 owen Forgive the Perl-ignorant question, but what does C4:Dates do compared to Date::Calc? 17:36 atz that's on my plate after I polish up my LDAP integration 17:35 atz so basically, the module is fine but the integration is lacking 17:34 atz somewhere my patches of C4 modules were reverted recently too 17:34 atz then it is still the "old style" 17:34 atz instead of "use C4::Dates" 17:34 atz if you see "use C4::Date" 17:33 owen It's a script issue? 17:33 atz but not every script uses it yet 17:33 owen I get errors from the ones on memberentry.pl, and the format is wrong for the one on circulation.pl 17:33 atz yes 17:33 owen ryan and/or atz: have we got the date-picker widget working properly with the dateformat system pref? 17:24 ryan fbcit: there's quite a bit of work being done on installer right now, with a bunch of patches in the queue 17:21 fbcit tnx ryan, owen 17:21 fbcit I'll take a look at install.pl... 17:20 fbcit ryan: you were right... the framework data did not fully load for some reason... 16:59 fbcit ? 16:59 fbcit with no other options in the drop-down 16:59 fbcit Create framework for SR (Audio Cassettes, CDs) using Default... 16:57 ryan what do you see frm 'MARC Structure' links there ? 16:57 ryan and /cgi-bin/koha/admin/biblio_framework.pl 16:56 fbcit so it would appear the data is already loaded... 16:56 fbcit and bails out 16:56 fbcit I don't think that's it as when I do the import manually, mysql complains about dup keys 16:55 ryan fbcit: you can manually apply installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/optional/marc21_simple_bib_frameworks.sql 16:53 ryan fbcit: must be problem with installer. 16:53 paul was tricky... 16:52 paul ok, problem solved for me : I can search on opac and the behaviour is the same in french and in english ! 16:52 ryan i'll file a bug if it persists 16:52 ryan might just be css issue 16:52 ryan related, anyway. 16:49 owen Is it the graphic? 16:47 ryan owen: i do get a wacky flash of multicolored lines behind the 'loading' box 16:39 fbcit it looks like the sample frameworks loaded ok. 16:37 fbcit hrm... probably unrelated, but "circulation.pl: Warning: something's wrong at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/kohaclone1/circ/circulation.pl line 199." 16:35 fbcit owen: yes. they are in installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/optional/marc21_simple_bib_frameworks.sql I believe.... 16:34 owen fbcit, did your install come with 8 sample frameworks? 16:32 fbcit ryan: it worked for me yesterday too, but then I dropped the db and reinstalled and you know the rest... 16:32 ryan must have been an error in adding the framework data 16:31 ryan fbcit: fbcit works ok for me 16:30 fbcit :-( 16:26 owen Sorry, no clue. But then again, the only framework I have is the default one. 16:24 fbcit exactly 16:24 owen Ah, but when you choose one, the page reloads as empty? 16:24 fbcit the drop-down shows all 8 sample frameworks as available... 16:22 fbcit right 16:22 fbcit I have dropped the db and reinstalled it twice now with the same effects.. 16:22 owen So you know you have more than just the default framework, but they're not showing up? 16:21 fbcit Default displays ok, the sample frameworks do not. 16:21 owen Do you have "Default" in the framework drop-down? 16:20 fbcit that's it 16:20 owen sorry: addbiblio.pl? 16:20 owen fbcit: from addbiblip.pl? 16:19 fbcit am I missing a setting somewhere? 16:19 fbcit owen: any thoughts on why when I go to change marc framework under "Add MARC Record" the resulting form has no fields? 16:11 owen If only dewey were here, he'd know 16:01 owen That's supposed to show the location of the item if the item is not waiting at the branch where the librarian is logged in? 16:00 owen } 16:00 owen $getWaitingReserveInfo{waitingat} = GetBranchName( $num_res->{'branchcode'} ); 16:00 owen if ($getiteminfo->{'holdingbranch'} ne $num_res->{'branchcode'} ) { 16:00 owen Line 342 of circulation.pl: 15:59 fbcit can someone provide me with a concise set of symlinks that need to be created to run koha from my clone (aka dev install)? 15:39 paul it works !!! 15:39 paul gotcha !!! 15:38 hdl search happend to work. 15:38 hdl I set it on then back off and 15:37 hdl I already bugged kados about that. 15:37 hdl then... you should NOT have lost st-numeric gt 0 15:36 paul it's already off, sorry 15:36 hdl it should work. 15:35 hdl paul 15:35 hdl set off hide lostitems. 15:35 hdl lost st-numeric gt 0 15:25 paul 16:23:50-29/11 zebrasrv(20) [request] Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @not chaos @or @and @and @and lost st-numeric gt 0 @not @attr "1=_ALLRECORDS" @attr 2=103 '' @attr 1=8002 @attr 2=103 '' 15:25 paul I get the following query in zebra : 15:25 paul it does not work only for opac 15:24 paul yep, the search works for staff 15:24 hdl (32 enables it by default.) 15:24 hdl paul : have you checked that your QueryStemming QueryFuzzy and other is disable ? 15:18 paul (works fine for o11 and o15) 15:18 paul owen : strange, OPAC works for 2 of my 3 setups, but not for o16... 15:02 paul hi fbcit 15:02 fbcit g'morning koha 14:51 paul but still impossible to search :-( 14:51 paul i mean same as you. 14:50 owen Really? It fixes it for me, on your site 14:49 paul i've switched to english, and the look is the same 14:48 owen Could that be what's causing the problem with the layout? Looks much different from mine: http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 14:47 paul mmm... there's something wrong with the translator... 14:46 owen Yeah, except for a problem with the layout of the advanced search page, everything seems to be working okay for me. I'm not getting the error that you are. 14:45 paul while the staff works fine 14:45 paul http://o16.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl (search "histoire") 14:45 paul (because it does not work for me, on an uptodate opac setup) 14:44 paul owen, does opac work for you atm ? 14:39 owen It's easily removed if opac-rss.pl provides the same functionality 14:39 owen the opensearch stuff I copied from dev_week, thinking it was coming along with other fixes coming over from dev_week. 14:38 paul it used to work, so someone should have removed something. but assign it to me, i'll investigate when I have some time. Note that "opensearch" pb is not for me 14:36 owen Shall I reassign the bug to you? 14:36 paul (and i'm the author of that, so I should, sorry) 14:33 owen And where does <!-- TMPL_VAR name="site_url"--> come from? 14:33 owen ? 14:26 paul no, iirc 14:26 owen It's wrapped in TMPL_IF "RSS"... Is that a system pref? 14:25 owen I found the markup that got taken out 14:25 owen Hi paul, I had a question about your RSS bug 14:25 paul hi owen 14:01 owen paul?