Time Nick Message 05:30 chris hi hdl 04:48 Brooke what's up? 20:52 paul "you and me" 20:51 paul the TV sing a famous french song : "we all are going to paradise" 20:51 chris hehe 20:51 chris but it probably cost the nz economy a few million $ 20:51 chris ill be happy again in a few hours 20:51 russel well played france 20:51 paul gday russel 20:51 russel night paul 20:51 paul (sincerely) 20:50 chris gnight 20:50 paul ok, time to go to bed for frenchies. 20:50 [K] *** join #koha@FreeNode: ru55el_ n=russel@203-118-134-114.netspace.net.nz 20:50 slef ;-) 20:50 slef nah, eng to retain 20:49 chris i think SAF will win from here 20:49 paul 2 eliminated ! 20:49 paul the 3 best teams in the world 20:49 paul I was just counting NZ/AUS/SAF 20:48 chris 2 maybe 20:48 chris argentina and south africa 20:48 paul probably the 1st time this happends 20:47 paul semi final : no more than 1 team of southern hemis 20:47 chris about the officials 20:47 chris i think there will be lots of talk 20:47 paul but i'm not that proud of that victory 20:47 paul after 7 misses against blacks. 20:47 paul france win ! 20:46 paul yeah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:45 chris but well played france 20:45 chris well i wont be sending the ref a christmas card 20:45 paul ... 20:45 chris :( 20:43 paul maybe 3 20:42 paul 2mn to go ... 20:41 chris hehe 20:41 slef I hear it's easy to get around the stadium 20:41 chris hands on the ground 20:41 slef smoking pot 20:41 chris what is the touch judge doing 20:41 chris jeez 20:41 paul ouf !!! 20:40 chris come on nz 20:40 chris yelling at the tv 20:40 paul 21th 20:40 paul cmon ? 20:40 chris cmon 20:40 paul 19th 20:39 paul 17th 20:39 paul 16th 20:39 paul 14th 20:39 paul it's 13th 20:39 chris no 20:39 paul do you have a pass counter on your TV ? 20:39 chris but we dont have our 2 best kickers 20:38 chris yep 20:38 slef 1 penalty needed 20:37 paul the last 5mn will be loooooonnnnggggg ... 20:36 chris momentum shifted to france here 20:35 paul kick of the century ! 20:35 paul ! 20:34 slef ack, called to kitchen 20:34 slef 10mins to go 20:33 paul ahead, right 20:33 paul sorry 20:33 paul kados : 20-18 20:33 slef er, ahead? 20:33 paul france behind ! 20:33 slef won't be able to - england will be too involved ;-) 20:33 paul probably 20:33 chris i dont think he will be reffing again 20:33 slef yep 20:32 chris the ref has a lot to answer for 20:32 paul just at the beginning 20:32 paul I think you"re right 20:32 paul yep 20:32 chris forward pass 20:32 slef out of nothing 20:32 slef wow 20:32 paul yeah ! 20:32 paul yeah ! 20:32 paul yeah ! 20:32 slef disturbing number of lawyers and military officers in england rugby over the years 20:32 paul yeah ! 20:32 paul haha 20:31 chris hehe 20:31 slef lawyers ;-) 20:31 chris :) 20:31 chris ogre? 20:31 slef england football is lions, but lions are british in rugby... 20:31 slef hrm, what animal are england rugby? 20:31 paul (another frenchism i'm afraid...) 20:30 paul but it was limit.. 20:30 chris yep, 1 more inch 20:30 paul & well done froggy as well 20:30 paul well don ekiwi 20:30 slef there is no kiwi flood? 20:30 paul yo ! 20:28 chris substituted 20:28 russel evans should be kicking 20:28 paul subbed ??? 20:28 chris he's subbed off 20:28 slef there is no kiwi wilkinson... 20:27 paul missed 20:27 russel w00t 20:27 chris ? 20:26 chris how can it take this long 20:26 paul 'from the refs) 20:26 slef yikes, the ref only looks 12 20:26 paul another strange descision ? 20:26 slef guess so, from the cheer 20:25 chris tv ref must 20:25 slef did refs see it, though 20:25 chris try! 20:25 paul try ! 20:25 slef another try 20:25 slef listened fr-nz 2000-2030 on radio though 20:24 slef cycle racing++ 20:24 paul 2055 ! 20:23 slef that's most of the reason you're faster than me then ;-) 20:23 paul yep 20:23 slef paul: you watching on analogue tv? 20:23 slef 2 englands, 1 safrican on the field; tv ref is english 20:22 paul 3 englands on the field if I don't mind. dunno which it the TV ref 20:22 slef refs: 3 england, 1 safrican, 1 irish...odd mix 20:19 paul (probably a frenchism...) 20:19 paul everything happend !! 20:19 paul ? the referee has taken a good decision ! 20:17 paul kados : 13-13 ... 20:17 paul ... 20:17 slef ow, that was close 20:16 slef funny given I have line-of-sight to the stadium 20:16 chris hehe 20:16 slef heh, paul cheered before they scored here... I wonder how many satellite hops are involved for the pictures to reach me... maybe 1, maybe 3 20:15 slef tryyyy 20:15 paul yeah !!!! 20:15 slef actually, it's probably too misty to see Cardiff anyway 20:15 slef shame they have the roof closed... no lights visible from my office (so I'm sat in the lounge) 20:14 paul slef : referees are engladers if i don't mind 20:14 chris strange decisions 20:14 paul lol again ! 20:14 chris looks like it so far 20:14 slef and will this match be won by the referees? 20:14 paul lol ! 20:14 chris heh 20:14 slef so, who wants to lose to England next? 20:13 paul hi slef 20:13 slef hi all 20:12 paul strange referees decisions... 20:12 chris yeah these officials are crazy 20:12 paul ??? the ball was out already isn't it ? 20:12 paul szarzesky & chabal should enter soon says the TV 20:11 chris yes used up time 20:11 paul kudos to the blacks 20:11 paul yes, but 3 or 4 minuts left... 20:10 chris stupid pass 20:10 chris pick and go in nz 20:10 paul "a small step, a small group" 20:09 paul in french "un petit pas, un petit tas" 20:06 paul yep. yellow card 20:05 paul in french it's "anti-jeu" 20:05 chris card i think 20:05 paul 2m 20:05 paul 3m 20:04 paul yep 20:04 chris better play from france 20:04 paul !!!! 19:55 paul so the trainer is quite disappointed ! 19:55 paul except it's a "soccer goal"... 19:55 chris heh 19:55 paul at the end, he scores a goal with the head & is very happy. 19:55 paul very very poor 19:55 paul he makes everything wrong. 19:55 paul there is an ad with zinedine zidane playing rugby ! 19:50 chris made me hungry for breakfast :) 19:49 chris yum 19:49 paul see you back soon, I go to cook the bread for tomorrow morning 19:49 chris yeah 19:48 russel too much kicking 19:48 russel man it is a bit stop start 19:48 paul lol 19:48 russel :-) 19:48 chris maybe he can kick only hard ones 19:48 paul 13-3 19:48 russel but it is straight 19:48 paul 47m ! 19:48 chris yep 19:48 paul then half time 19:48 chris hehe 19:47 paul a new one (crazy kick)... 19:46 paul yep. 19:46 paul crazy kick ! nice word ! 19:46 chris the all blacks have gone mental 19:46 paul kados : score is 13-0, and a succesful penalty is 3 points 19:46 chris crazy kick 19:44 paul (although not as easy as possible) 19:44 paul a french missed a penalty, it's the 2nd one that was not that hard 19:44 chris maybe too nervous? 19:44 kados what happened? 19:43 paul oh no ! 19:42 chris this is the danger time, just before halftime 19:42 paul 3 "touches" missed... 19:41 paul could have had one... 19:40 paul yellow card ? 19:38 chris hmm i think maybe michalak for the 2nd half 19:36 chris right in front 19:36 paul wow... 43m... 19:36 paul the ref is right for this 19:33 chris the officials arent doing so well so far 19:33 paul the kiwi was out with the ball. should have be for us. 19:32 paul sweet dreams to you 19:31 hdl So Happy chat. 19:31 paul yep. but in 99 the match started like that as well 19:31 hdl already 19:31 hdl And it seems NZ are really having the hand over the match. 19:31 hdl seen 5 minutes. 19:30 hdl I hope the best will win. 19:30 paul sweet dreams 19:30 chris hehe 19:30 paul and chatting with chris ;) 19:30 paul yep, of course. 19:30 paul looking for the match ? 19:30 hdl En train de regarder le match ? 19:30 hdl salut paul. 19:29 paul hi hdl ? 19:29 chris so not quite never again, but never if you are old :-) 19:28 chris like troy flavel did 19:28 paul ah, ok 19:28 chris and then become one again 19:28 chris nz 19:28 chris you can come back and play in z 19:28 paul wow, very strict ! 19:28 chris yeah 19:28 paul when you leave NZ you can't be all black anymore ??? 19:27 paul the TV says one of the all blacks will play in england next year, and thus never more play for all blacks ? 19:27 chris hmm this stadium has always had bad grass 19:25 paul the score reflect the play for instance 19:24 chris hehe 19:24 paul could have choosen another day !!!!! 19:23 chris macalister is playing the best ive seen him 19:23 paul 10-0 ! 19:21 paul in french "ouf" ! 19:21 paul yes... 19:21 paul yep 19:21 chris i think he was out 19:21 paul houhou... 19:20 chris ahh 19:20 paul n the middle of them 19:20 paul when 4-X players advances hidding the ball 19:19 paul in french we call that a "cocotte" 19:19 paul (simon laught...) 19:19 chris hehe 19:18 paul (simon says : it's not all blacks, but all greys !) 19:17 chris the ref likes to blow the whistle for rucks 19:17 paul should do 3-0 19:17 chris hmmm 19:13 chris everyone to nervous 19:12 chris hehe finals rugby always lots of kicking 19:12 paul is it rugby or soccer ?? 19:11 chris nope was worth a shot 19:11 paul not that far... 19:09 chris yeah 19:09 paul ouch... seems really KO. 19:06 chris 8.06am 19:06 paul what time is it for you exactly ? 19:06 paul yep. KO... 19:06 chris head in the wrong place in that tackle 19:06 chris ouch 19:04 kados hehe, no 19:04 paul you"re looking for the match too ? 19:04 paul hi kados 19:04 kados hi simon :-) 19:04 kados hi paul 19:03 paul (simon : hello chris) 19:03 chris hello simon 19:03 chris hehe 19:03 paul my 1st son Simon says hello to you 19:02 paul strange to see all blacks in grey... 19:02 paul hiya russel 19:02 russel hiya paul 19:02 chris me either 19:02 paul I would never have bet 0.01ยค for this result ! 19:01 chris a little 19:01 paul I suppose you're happy of the result of australia / england ;) 19:00 chris hi paul 19:00 paul chris around ? 19:00 paul_away hello new zealand ! 18:45 kados russel: you really awake? 18:31 thd OK 18:31 kados :-) 18:31 kados please 18:31 kados give items.restricted an authorized value of RESTRICTED 18:31 kados ok, I get it now 18:31 kados hehe 18:31 thd kados: restricted material might be in a special climate controlled vault with armed guards :) 18:30 kados (or something like that) 18:30 kados restricted would be 'OK for adults', 'not OK for children' ? 18:30 thd kados: reference material might be on an open shelf but not for loan 18:30 kados why? 18:29 thd kados: well they are not equal 18:29 kados how does it differ from notforloan? 18:29 thd to keep the careless or dishonest from handling the especially fragile or valuable material without close supervision 18:28 kados what would it be good for? 18:28 kados no, I don't see any triggers 18:27 thd kados: I assumed that something triggers the setting 18:27 kados but its used in circulation 18:27 kados it's not set anywhere 18:27 thd s/a script/in the code/ 18:26 thd kados: is that not set by a script? 18:26 kados it seems items.restricted is used, but I don't see how to set it anywhere 18:25 thd that was the explanation from the comment :) 18:25 kados :-) 18:25 kados no! 18:25 thd -- ('95k', 'y', 'Use restrictions (not for loan) (similar to 506 $a, 876-8 $h)' 18:24 kados thanks 18:24 kados ok 18:24 thd ('952', 'y', 'Use restrictions (not for loan)', 'Use restrictions (not for loan)', 0, 0, 'items.notforloan', 10, '', '', '', 0, 0, '', '', '', NULL), 18:23 kados it doesn't seem to be mapped to items.notforloan, is it? 18:23 kados ahh, ok 18:23 thd ('952', 'y', 'Use restrictions (not for loan)' 18:22 kados hmmm 18:22 kados it seems we have both items.restricted and items.notforloan 18:21 thd kados: that would be in restricted 18:21 thd kados: in MARC 21 different status types are stored in a repeatable status field 18:20 kados also, where is items.notforloan? 18:20 kados marc21 doesn't define more than one type of Item status :-) 18:19 thd ok 18:19 thd kados: that is not MARC 21 :) 18:19 kados also, please label damaged as Damaged Status 18:19 kados Lost Status 18:19 kados instead of Item status (lost) 18:18 kados Withdrawn Status 18:18 kados instead of Item Status (withdrawn) 18:18 kados thd: can we change the nomenclature a bit? 18:16 kados that's my fault 18:15 kados :-) 18:15 thd :) 18:15 thd kados: when I wrote those originally no one ever told me that there was a values table to report 18:14 kados items.notforloan => NOTFORLOAN 18:14 kados items.damaged => DAMAGED 18:13 kados thd: items.itemlost => ITEMLOST 18:13 kados thd: there are still some missing authorized values 17:56 kados excellent 17:55 thd kados: I was writing an explanation of that in a comment at the beginning of a file with extracted code 17:55 kados or do you want to explain the lcc and ddc stuff beforehand so I can decide what plugins I'll need? 17:55 thd kados: or maybe Koha full call number would be better 17:54 kados :-) 17:54 kados thd: so are the frameworks finished? 17:54 thd kados: yes 17:54 kados thd: did you remember that 'Call number' should be 'Koha Call number'? 17:54 thd kados: I believe that shelf.location was already in use by Chis 17:53 kados or ... 'New Books Shelf' 17:52 kados like for instance, 'Circ Desk' 17:52 kados i assumed some libraries use Shelving location 17:52 thd :0 17:52 thd what is the purpose of SHELF_LOC ? 17:52 kados nevermind, it's the coded qualification of that 17:51 kados thd: with SHELF_LOC stored in items.location, what is the purpose of items.stack? 17:50 kados where did it go? 17:50 kados actually, departments seems to be missing now from 3.0 17:49 kados that's where the list comes from 17:49 kados ryan: just that the departments feature in Koha exists 17:48 kados ryan: yea, that' fine 17:48 kados hi thd 17:43 thd kados: I will presume that you concur in the absence of signification otherwise :0 17:42 thd kados: do you concur with ryan's suggestion? 17:41 thd kados: that makes sense to me 17:41 ryan DPT isn't hardcoded anymore... 17:40 ryan thd: and kados: how about changing DPT to SHELF_LOC ? 17:19 [K] *** join #koha@FreeNode: eloise212 n=aimecs@cpe-74-79-243-242.twcny.res.rr.com 16:21 kados THD: add mapping for items.damaged 16:21 kados THD: describe lcc vs ddc behavior 16:21 kados THD: add marc21_classcodes.pl authorized value to 952 $2 16:21 kados THD: add marc21_locationqualifier.pl to 952 $f 16:21 kados THD: fix items.dateassessioned (put dateaccessioned.pl in plugin column) 16:21 kados THD: add plugin bookseller.pl to items.booksellerid 16:21 kados THD: add authorized value DPT to items.location 16:20 thd oh, well they have the mailing list and very friendly people to help 16:20 kados anyway ... 16:20 kados by a factor of 5-6 at least 16:20 kados there are far more of those than supported ones 16:20 kados no, I mean the libraries running koha without support 16:20 thd developers ? :) 16:19 thd what rest? 16:19 thd :-) 16:19 kados it's the rest of the community I worry about for 3.0 :-) 16:19 kados we can alwasy customize it for customers 16:19 kados sure 16:18 thd kados: If you have a customer using call number suffixes then it is probably infrequently and they might temporarily be stored with some delimiter in $z public note 16:17 kados ok 16:17 thd $m Call number suffix will go 16:16 kados sure 16:16 thd kados: it could also be used to designate a CD separately from the book with an empty back pocket all for the CD but all in the same record 16:16 kados so the issue is, where do we put items.damaged 16:16 kados ok, so we'll leave that in, and I've got a note to look into that when we do binding for serials 16:15 thd so the patron/librarian knows what that is for 16:15 kados ok, that's fine 16:15 thd yes 16:14 thd almost everyone 16:14 kados so $3 is used to store a human-only textual string 16:14 thd kados: everyone binds serials 16:14 kados ok 16:14 thd kados: understanding this is important 16:14 thd kados: this is not a record relationship issue 16:14 kados anyway, we're getting distrated :-) 16:13 kados so i think we shoudl remove this from 3.0 16:13 kados we will in 3.2 16:13 kados we don't handle multi-part items right now 16:13 thd $3 Materials specified (bound volume or other part) 16:13 kados which we removed 16:13 thd $3 Materials designated (bound volume or other part) 16:12 kados Materials specified should be linked to items.multivolumenumber 16:11 thd maybe I should put the parenthesis explanation back 16:10 thd Journal of blabla 852 $3 v. 3-4 $call number $p barcode 16:09 kados Materials Specified refers to what? 16:09 kados but doesn't belong in 3.0 I don't think 16:09 thd and would be used by many people 16:09 kados it will be in 3.2 16:09 kados but we don't use it 16:09 thd kados $3 is important 16:09 kados simply because they aren't used in koha 16:09 kados I think we should remove those from 3.0 16:08 kados or $3 16:08 thd kados: yes $8 would never be used in Koha except for preserving previous use 16:08 thd kados: I have never noticed coded location qualifier but that seems much more useful to know how many recent years/months/issues of a serial are kept at the serials desk 16:08 kados it seems like $8 would be less frequently used in koha 16:05 thd kados: I have hardly ever noticed call number suffix used in real records 16:04 thd kados: only to the extent we need everything 16:04 kados I thought we needed call number suffix 16:04 kados why? 16:04 kados akk 16:03 thd kados: I will remove call number suffix instead 16:02 thd kados: I was going to put that in $f and remove location qualifier :) 16:01 kados thd: so please add that to your list :-) 16:01 kados thd: I'm adding items.damaged 15:54 kados thx 15:54 thd yes 15:54 kados ok, can you send it to me? 15:54 thd kados: I already wrote a Perl script for that which I used for Afognak 15:53 kados and that works the same way in lcc and ddc? 15:53 kados ahh, right 15:53 thd you are missing item part after the classification part 15:52 thd kados: some documentation can only be found in circulars from LC where questions about ambiguities or inconsistencies in the standard documentation are answered 15:52 kados thd: is that the appropriate concatenation of those elements? 15:52 kados thd: 'Call Number Prefix' . 'Classification Part' . 'Call Number Suffix' . 'Copy Number' 15:50 kados *noted* 15:49 thd kados: I believe that I have seen edition included as 852 $2 ddc; 21 15:49 kados THD: describe lcc vs ddc behavior 15:49 kados THD: add marc21_classcodes.pl authorized value to 952 $2 15:49 kados THD: add marc21_locationqualifier.pl to 952 $f 15:49 kados THD: fix items.dateassessioned (put dateaccessioned.pl in plugin column) 15:49 kados THD: add plugin bookseller.pl to items.booksellerid 15:49 kados THD: add authorized value DPT to items.location 15:49 kados thd: here's our TODO: 15:48 kados so lets do it as a plugin 15:48 kados if we do it as a plugin, it's easy to manupulate 15:48 thd kados: actually edition might only be used for $2 in 0XX where it is called edition because the field usually indicates classification already but that sees a little inconsistent 15:46 kados thd: fine, we can do it as a plugin 15:45 kados The code may be followed by the edition or date of publication of the source work. The code is separated from the edition or date by a slash (/). Omission of the year or edition will imply that the assigning institution used the most recent edition of the source work available. 15:45 kados msdocs/1975 15:43 kados what ist he format? 15:43 thd format is a little different 15:42 kados so it would be ddc22 ? 15:42 thd yes 15:42 kados edition of the classification? 15:42 thd kados, but edition is more important than that list of classifications for your customers 15:41 kados I think we'll have to be satisfied with an authorized value for now 15:41 kados we won't have time to check all of them 15:41 kados the list os quite long 15:40 thd 21 is still in common use 15:40 thd DDC is currently at 22 15:39 thd ask me 15:39 kados yea, but how would I know what editions exist? 15:39 thd ie edition of the classification 15:39 kados that is a bit too complicated 15:39 kados hmmm 15:38 thd oh I forgot they are supposed to show the edition so they need a plugin 15:38 thd kados: can they have explanation? 15:38 kados you're right 15:38 kados lets do it as an authorized value for now 15:37 thd kados: should that not be CLASSCODES authorised value or can it not be because the values could then only be a code without explanation? 15:35 kados JMF: fix wthdrawn in koha db and code 15:35 kados JMF: create authorized value for STACK 15:35 kados JMF: create classcodes.pl plugin 15:35 kados JMF: create marc21_locationqualifier.pl plugin 15:35 kados THD: add classcodes.pl to 952 $2 15:35 kados THD: add marc21_locationqualifier.pl to 952 $f 15:35 kados THD: fix items.dateassessioned (put dateaccessioned.pl in plugin column) 15:35 kados THD: add plugin bookseller.pl to items.booksellerid 15:35 kados THD: add authorized value DPT to items.location 15:35 kados thd: here's our TODO list: 15:35 thd kados: $6 or $8 are used in more complex serials cases 15:34 thd kados: for joining multiple holdings fields for the same item copy number $t is usually used 15:34 kados we'll do that in 3.2 15:34 kados ahh, yes, nevermine 15:32 thd or do you mean join 852, 86X, and 876-8? 15:32 kados I don't know, I just thought I remembered that 15:31 thd kados: why would you join 2 852s? 15:31 thd kados: If anyone were ever using it the OPAC should use the values in 952 $f to generate a plain language statement interpreting the code for record display 15:30 kados (I'm talking abotu one 852 to another 852) 15:30 kados wasn't there a subfield reserved for linking one item to another? 15:29 kados sure 15:29 thd kados: should that be marc21_locationqualifier.pl? 15:28 kados locationqualifier.pl 15:28 kados hmmm 15:28 thd ? 15:27 thd kados: what should the plugin name be for 952 $f Coded location qualifier 13:24 kados g'morning #koha