Time Nick Message 10:29 paul seet dreams 10:29 chris now im really going to sleep 10:26 chris hehe 10:25 paul that would make 16 vs 15, but it may be a good idea ;-) 10:25 chris coach even :) 10:25 chris yes, i saw that, if i was couch, christophe dominic would not be in the reserves, he would be on the field 10:24 paul some surprises, as usual with Bernard laporte ! 10:24 paul do you see the compo of the french team (announced 2 hours ago) 10:24 paul chris ??? 10:23 chris my body still thinks its 10.22 tho, its hard to wake up 1 hour earlier 10:22 chris (daylight savings started here last saturday, so its 1 hour later than last week) 10:22 paul sweet dreams 10:22 chris ok, bedtime for me 10:09 chris hmm dominic on the bench .. i would have started him 10:08 paul chris : new patch in your mailbox ;-) 10:02 chris ahh, ive already accepted it, never mind :) 10:02 chris or so bugzilla says :) 10:01 chris just saw you sent a patch 10:01 chris yep 09:52 paul chris still around ? 09:10 slef paul: if KohaLa is to be inclusive, then that is good IMO, but it should be done inclusively 09:08 slef paul: we are not all in the same boat! KohaLa is putting on the right the French, on the left the others. 09:06 paul we all are in the same boat ! 09:06 paul slef : i have then answer to the 2nd question : because Koha is a free software ! and I (we) don't want to have on the right the users, and on the left the developpers. 09:05 slef load average: 3.95, 16.88, 21.67 09:03 slef paul: I also don't understand why KohaLa moved from being a user group to being for development, documentation and so on 09:02 slef paul: I understand how corporation votes work. I just don't think they're fair. 09:01 chris ah yeah, thatd do it 09:00 slef that'll be resource starvation, then 09:00 slef Swap: 131064k total, 131040k used 08:59 slef I think one of the daemons is memory-leaking, but I'm not sure. 08:59 chris :) 08:58 slef I have a shell... all is not lost 08:58 slef erm, we were saying? 08:58 chris or maybe not :) 08:58 slef load average: 31.03, 30.25, 25.91 08:57 slaf yeah... should get control back soon 08:57 chris least it appears to be dropping 08:56 chris yikes 08:56 slaf Tasks: 95 total, 7 running, 87 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie 08:56 slaf load average: 23.10, 30.54, 25.42 08:52 slaf sorry about that... I've lost control of slef's server temporarily 08:41 paul - 1 vote for bruno that is member as "jerome" 08:41 slef brb- have problems 08:41 paul - 1 vote for Jerome that is member as "jerome" 08:40 paul so, SAN-OP could have : 08:40 paul except that it is represented by someone. 08:40 paul the company is a "moral person". It has a juridic existence. So it can vote "itself" 08:40 paul slef : nope. 08:39 slef chris: thanks (I think) 08:39 slef all the corporation owners and employees can have a vote each, then there's two more votes givable to anyone who doesn't already have a vote, right? 08:32 paul (represented by a physical person, of course) 08:32 paul it's not "corpo empl", it's "corpo" 08:31 slef paul: you probably won't convince me that giving corporations employees+2 votes is fair, but other than that, I'm pretty convincable. 08:31 chris done 08:30 slef although things might have moved on past it a little while it's been on hold 08:29 slef thanks 1000... I don't want to rewrite that long mail 08:29 chris yep ill go do that now 08:29 slef chris: can you release the post of mine to koha.lists.katipo.co.nz that's on moderation-hold, please? 08:29 chris http://git.koha.org/gitstat/ 08:28 chris yep im around 08:28 paul hi slef : nope, I want to end the discussion because coding is more important atm, and I'm not sure i'll convince you at all 08:24 slef paul: it's not a matter of confidence and it's not a matter of culture. Are you ending the discussion because you don't want to understand the concerns? 08:23 slef idle 11 hours... hmm 08:23 slef morning all - chris: alive? 20:30 paul bye bye everybody 20:30 paul 11 patches in patches@koha.org mailbox 20:26 paul wow... champion's league in soccer : Lyon 0-3 Glasgow Rangers... you must know that tomorrow we will have Liverpool vs Marseille & Marseille / Lyon are ennemies in soccer ;-) 20:25 kados paul++ 20:25 paul 10:30PM 20:25 paul time to go to bed for frenchies 20:24 paul patch for #1441 done 20:20 kados and I hope it will be patched so we can include it! 20:20 kados that said, it's a very nice feature! 20:19 kados and doesn't follow our coding guidelines 20:19 kados since it's buggy 20:19 kados well, we could do a release, but I would omit it as a feature 20:19 paul i have the same pov on #1441, that i'm working on atm 20:18 paul which is definetly not the case here. 20:18 paul this feature don't work. for me a blo means "you can't use the software in it's main features" 20:18 paul but I know we disagree here... I don't try to convince you. 20:17 paul otherwise, all bugs are blo ! 20:17 paul I would just remove the feature of warn in release note that it don't work. 20:17 paul nope (really) 20:17 kados paul: I hope you'll understand why I would consider this a blocker :-) 20:16 kados to follow our convention 20:16 kados and it should be named ModBiblios IMO 20:14 paul dunno either ! 20:13 kados and why is EditBiblios in Search.pm instead of Biblio.pm? 20:10 kados http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=felsefe&op=Submit 20:10 paul kados : I don't know, you'll ask to hdl ;-) 20:09 kados not the main search 20:09 kados I think it must be moved to a separate function 20:09 kados for us it's a ton of extra html for every search result 20:09 kados paul: where does it pull the list of valid codes? from the default template? 20:08 kados and a bit buggy if you don't mind :-) 20:08 kados but a dangerous one also 20:08 kados yep, it's a nice feature 20:07 paul the goal is to update all the biblios from a query 20:07 paul it's something added by hdl 20:07 kados paul: have you seen the 'bulk edit' feature in the catalog search? 20:06 kados it loads late or something 20:06 kados something strange with js going on 20:06 kados in the staff client 20:05 kados paul++ #awaiting patch from chris 20:00 paul #1430 fixed.... 19:46 kados man, we really need to clean up these syspref names 19:43 slef wouldn't be hard to do that actually 19:43 kados yep 19:43 slef symlinked to the git tree? 19:42 kados but it doesn't use a symlinked install 19:42 kados yep 19:42 slef the new package can do several installs on one box and it would help development more if more than the two active koha devels at ttllp were using it 19:42 kados (and it's much easier to test on a symlinked install) 19:41 kados for development) 19:41 kados (we have several installs on one box 19:41 kados we used my old symlinked one 19:41 kados well, we didn't use the new package to install 19:40 slef ok, so mainly the var/usr/etc problems and edits that I know about ;-) 19:40 kados slef: no, I mean the package I sent you 19:39 kados slef: yea, you already have it :-) 19:39 slef (of the installed systems) 19:38 slef kados: do you have a script log or similar of it? ;-) 19:38 paul ok, my fault. I was on BibLibre, not on Official branch. it's invalid 19:34 kados did you fetch and rebase? 19:29 kados don't think so 19:29 paul mmm... git fetch a few hours ago. something in the queue ? 19:29 kados or bib frameworks 19:29 kados so you must not have the latest kohastructure.sql 19:29 kados I just installed 3 marc21 systems this mornign with no probs 19:28 kados re: bug 1466 19:20 paul which framework settings should I choose ? 19:15 kados i think more to come unfortunately 19:15 paul do you think you have more to come, or is that all ? 19:14 kados I'm very concerned about doing anything resembling a public release with the current state of things 19:14 paul yep... 19:14 kados :-) 19:14 kados paul: so I guess you've seen all the bug reports 19:13 kados to figure out how ewe could get marc21 and unimarc playing nicely together 19:13 kados I need to do more research on zebra 19:11 kados framework-level would potentially mean at the level of the MARC framework 19:11 kados I'm not sure we can easily configure zebra to index both unimarc and marc21, but we might be able to 19:11 slef ok, framework-level means in-database? 19:10 kados like the installer 19:10 kados so there are a few places I'm not sure how we should represent the differences for those 19:10 kados but in koha 3.x we may see that become a framework-level option 19:09 kados MARC21 and UNIMARC being the two main options 19:09 kados right now, we have a global option for marc 'flavour' 19:09 slef Not a surprise. I'm still a bit confused (see mails to koha-devel) 19:09 kados one question 19:09 kados but we're getting there :-) 19:09 kados slef: no :-) 19:09 slef kados: do they work yet? ;-) 19:08 kados slef: btw: nice job on the zebra commits 19:08 kados heh 19:08 slef the uni systems simply didn't do multiple roles, so they just made a new account for each job you had 19:07 slef at university, I had M.Ray, M.J.Ray, mjr and h089, among others 19:07 kados hehe 19:07 slef moral of the tale: don't try guessing email addresses. That can get embarrasing ;-) 19:06 slef ttllp includes initials, isurname and firstnames forms 19:06 kados joshua mark ferraro 19:06 kados jmf is my initials 19:06 slef freedom... each to their own! 19:05 kados conventions I mean 19:05 [K] *** join #koha@FreeNode: atzberger n=chatzill@pool-71-171-145-83.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net 19:05 kados we changed contentions 19:05 paul why joshua has jmf as mailbox name while joe atzberger has joe.atzberger ? 19:03 kados which you will see when chris wakes up and pushes them :-) 19:03 kados bug and patches too! 19:03 paul i'll send a mail to the welcome the 2 new "liblimers" (that have submitted a bug if I don't mind) 19:02 paul pub date sorting still not working for me :-( 19:02 paul hi back 19:02 kados hi paul 18:51 slef owen: no, because you would have broken it tomorrow. 18:51 kados hehe 18:51 owen If git had gone back in time I would remember a git from the future visiting me. 18:50 kados if it needs to 18:50 kados remember, git will go back in time when merging stuff :-) 18:50 kados yea, don't worry about sequencing 18:49 owen Okay, that's what I was thinking. Bascially, I want to send an "out of sequence" patch. Or maybe that's just how I think of it. 18:49 kados and continue working 18:48 kados then switch back to the original one 18:48 kados and send-email on that patch 18:48 kados you can switch branches and make another change 18:48 kados as long as you've commited them to your local repo 18:47 owen kados, if you're referring to my original question, what I should have said was, a bunch of changes I'm not ready so submit a patch for 18:46 slef kados: when it doesn't pass perl -c? 18:46 kados when wouldn't you be ready to commit something? 18:45 slef I meant merge the unready commit and the one that finishes it. 18:44 owen Hmm... Would you have to merge the patches? what if you just kept working on the unfinished work and waited for your other patch to make it into the official repo? 18:43 slef but I seem to botch patch merging, so ;-) 18:42 slef well, I think the gittish way would be to commit the unready patches up a branch, switch branches, do the one-file correction and send it off, switch back, then uncommit the unready patch or finish it and merge the patches 18:41 owen that sounds like a non-gittish way to do it 18:41 slef An alternative is to make a local symlink clone of your tree (git clone -l -s /path/to/tree) and do the one-file correction in that. 18:39 slef I think so. 18:39 owen I'm still not completely clear on the branches concept in git. Say I've got a bunch of changes that I'm not ready to commit, but I have one file I want to correct and submit a patch for. I can git checkout -b quickfix origin to create a new branch, make my change, commit, submit patch and then switch to my other branch to keep working, right? 16:59 paul time to leave for me 16:58 slef thanks 16:58 slef aha 16:58 paul vendor for an editor 16:57 slef bibliothécaire (BU et BM). 16:57 slef successivement comme libraire, commercial dans l'édition, 16:57 slef J'ai principalement travaillé dans le livre et sa diffusion 16:57 paul mmm... I need a more complex sentence to help 16:57 slef paul: how to translate "commercial dans l'édition"? 16:54 slef (sorry, I just checked my mailboxes) 16:54 slef erm, yes, she is, but no personal statement in the news 16:54 paul nope, she will leave in november (6x years old) 16:54 slef paul: is Francine standing for CA? 16:53 kados hehe 16:53 slef stop moving around ;-) 16:53 kados just back at my regular terminal :-) 16:53 kados I'm here 16:53 kados nope 16:53 slef erm, bye then ;-) 16:52 slef jmf: one problem I have is that 1901-law associations which I like seem not to publish their statuts, so I can't suggest them quickly. 16:51 slef jmf: I think I've misunderstood one problem, about unnominated powers, so there has been some point to the bilingual multi-email discussion ;-) 16:50 slef paul: but then we often call statuts things like memorandum and articles and other archaic names, so I don't laugh at them every time ;-) 16:49 jmf hehe 16:49 jmf promotion and the distribution of the free software library system Koha. 16:49 slef like dogs messing the paths and keeping your hedges cut. 16:49 slef because bylaws here are passed by towns and villages, about things 16:49 slef paul: US seems to call statuts bylaws, which is funny to the English, 16:49 jmf Article 2: This association has for an object the development, the documentation, the protection, the 16:49 paul but Koha is not a common experience. We don't want to have "devs on the left, users on the right"... 16:49 jmf but it doesn't exactly sound ominous either :-) 16:48 jmf agree, doesn't sound like auser's group 16:48 jmf which I 16:48 jmf Koha have decided to form an association. 16:48 jmf software. That's why some users and developers who work with and on the library software 16:48 jmf developers and users to keep working, and true to principles of sharing and distributing free 16:48 jmf The craft software under free licences are fairly few, and ask for a close participation between 16:48 jmf MJ's translation of the Preamble is: 16:48 paul slef : it comes from Francine Masson, director of ENSMP library, a woman that has founded a lot of associations during it's life 16:48 slef (which is a question in the mail held for moderation...) 16:48 slef not yet... French (code) law is rather different... I'm trying to get help. It would be very helpful to know where the current draft came from. 16:47 jmf the list of articles 16:47 jmf Rules of the Kohala Association 16:47 jmf Statuts de l’Association Kohala 16:47 jmf paul: 'bylaws' in american: 16:47 jmf have you suggested a change in language? 16:47 paul bylaws ??? 16:47 slef Essentially, I think so. 16:46 slef I think US would call them bylaws. 16:46 jmf are you requesting that they change them? 16:46 jmf slef: is your main objection the 'bylaws' of KohaLa? 16:38 slef I'll translate the candidate news in a mo, to see who else is there 16:38 slef and I think paul is running for its council (developer, not user) 16:37 slef it's pretty broadly-scoped 16:37 slef take a look at the object in http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/StatutsKohala.pdf 16:35 jmf if it's attempting to be more than that, I think weneed to discuss its role 16:35 jmf my understanding was that it was a user group 16:34 slef jmf: any thoughts on KohaLa, by the way? It doesn't look like a user group to me :-/ 16:34 slef jmf: aye... shame the clock is ticking... thanks 16:34 jmf slef: but I'll make sure he takes care of it 16:34 jmf slef: we'll have to wait for chris cormack to wake up, he manages that one 16:05 slef paul: do you know about KohaLa? ;-) You and Pascale seem to contradict each other and the statutes... very confusing for a poor anglo. 16:03 paul slef : ask someone else, i don't nothing about this ml admin ;-) ) 16:03 slef paul: it would be helpful if the list config was described on http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha 16:03 slef paul: I think you have a copy directly anyway 16:02 slef paul: I don't save all outbound list mail... it gets archived on inbound. 16:02 paul slef: I had problems once with the list, it's just an antispam measure, when you have more than 2 recipients. If a mail is bounced, then just throw it again with just the list as To: ! 15:59 slef koha.lists.katipo.co.nz 15:59 jmf slef: where's it held up, which list? 15:52 slef can koha-admin release the KohaLa mail, please? 15:11 paul (probably coming from some tests I did, don't remember) 15:11 paul jmf : hehe... seems it's is a useless option 15:09 jmf paul: what's the purpose of the -d directory option? 15:05 jmf yep 15:05 paul jmf : at least, I have to write some doc to explain ! 15:05 jmf *nod* 15:04 paul it's exactly as for zebra in fact : if you query zoom for each record, it's slow. if you rebuild all at the end, it's fast 15:04 jmf paul: I think bulkmarcimport should be smart enough to do that :-) 15:04 jmf ok 15:04 paul - rebuild_nozebra to set NoZebra=1 again & reindex everything in 1 mySQL query. 15:03 paul - bulkmarcimport 15:03 paul - set NoZebra=0 15:03 jmf and can you confirm that -d doesn't work with bulkmarcimport? 15:03 paul the fast way to do it is : 15:03 paul yes ;-) 15:03 jmf paul: is it normal for bulkmarcimpor to be very slow with NoZebra? 14:52 jmf ok, we'll work on marc21 next 14:52 paul you'll see how it works. basically, it's just a hash where you specify your indexes and the fields/subfields that are related to the index 14:51 paul the value for unimarc is here. (although not complete probably) 14:51 paul jmf : look at misc/migration_tools/rebuild_nozebra.pl 14:50 paul foxnorth: whatever you want if set to 0, it's useless. 14:50 jmf foxnorth: your NoZebra is set to 1 :-) 14:50 jmf paul: and what should NoZebraIndexes be set to if NoZebra is set to 1 ? 14:49 paul one of them being chris catalfo ? (seen the 1st bugreport from him) 14:49 foxnorth paul: what should NoZebraIndexes be set to if we have NoZebra set to 0 in system preferences? 14:48 paul yep 14:48 jmf paul: you here? 14:48 jmf just logging in from another box 14:47 jmf hey slef 14:47 slef hi all 14:47 slef I prefer emf to jmf. 14:31 paul (+ to let you know : 6 new patches in our queue) 14:30 paul kados : about your question "some patches today" you sent at 0:00 (GMT+2), the answer is : nope, I forgot to send what I had in my queue. What about the idea of having a copy of all what is sent to patches@koha.org to koha-cvs ML ? thus, you would know what is waiting mdoeration. 13:44 hdl hiya kados 13:05 kados hey foxnorth 12:48 kados morning all