Time Nick Message 13:37 Brooke howdy 13:41 slef hi 13:44 paul hi slef : could you summarize the status of the installer ? (what works & what it does) 13:45 slef it checks dependencies (and installs if you run it via install-CPAN.pl) and moves files about 13:45 slef I'm just committing the bit that generates configuration files. 13:45 slef Next I'll write the INSTALL 13:46 paul so it's almost here ? 13:46 slef yes, there's "only" the debugging to do 13:46 slef Have you done $C4::Context::VERSION? 13:47 paul nope. with all database discussions, i've delayed that, to fix everything at the same time 13:47 slef I'll do it - I need it... what is current release number? 3.000.000_0001? 13:48 slef 3.00.00.002 13:48 slef I was close ;-) 15:08 slef paul: latest installer work is available in http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/koha-installer/ 15:29 Brooke hi dbs 15:29 dbs Hello Brooke 15:29 Brooke :) 16:06 kados slef: you workin on the installer today? 16:07 kados slef: so are you giving the user an option for install location, or just using /opt/koha or sth? 16:24 slef kados: optional (set PREFIX, BASE_DIR and other common handy environment variables) 16:24 slef (was on phone) 16:37 Brooke hi tim 16:38 tim Hi Brooke 16:38 Brooke :) 16:38 slef kados: what would be clever would be if rewrite-config.PL could see the value of PREFIX, which it doesn't seem to be able to, hence you have to set BASE_DIR too :-/ 16:39 tim I have a problem that started today and I can't figure it out. It might not be a Koha problem, but it's sure making it slow. 16:40 tim I'm getting 99% CPU usage on the server and can't find any processes that are causing it. 16:40 slef looked in top? 16:40 slef otherwise, what's the server? 16:41 slef (operating system, hosting package, or whatever) 16:57 kados slef: so in the original installer, I had the option to specifiy a desired location for htdocs and cgi-bin for both interfaces 16:57 kados slef: are you saying I'd have to edit a config file to get that functionality now? 16:59 tim Looked on top. OS=Debian Sarge. 1.8GHz Celeron, 1G RAM 16:59 slef kados: no, just put it on the command line 16:59 slef kados: erm 16:59 kados so no more dialog when running the installer? 16:59 slef kados: actually, that particular split would require a config file edit and moving the files around yourself 17:00 kados suxor 17:00 kados I'd say that's a pretty important issues that needs to be addressed 17:00 kados at least IMO 17:00 kados because we've got people who want to install multiple versions of Koha on the same box 17:00 slef having 1001 different koha tree layouts is a problem 17:00 kados why's that? 17:00 slef so they just put them under different PREFIX or INST_* setups 17:01 slef kados: complexity in the installer 17:01 kados I guess we could have a wrapper install script that did all the stuff you're doing in an automated fashio 17:01 slef kados: multiple kohas with the old installer meant setting environment variables anyway IIRC 17:01 kados n 17:02 slef yes, can have lots of wrappers, but need the basic non-interactive FHS-compliant perl/CPAN-friendly installer first 17:02 kados 100% agree 17:02 slef phone again 17:02 kados slef++ 17:10 slef back 17:10 slef one of the problems on the 2.2 installer, IMO, was the number of questions 17:11 kados agreed 17:11 slef 3.0 installer asks nothing and uses whatever half-sane defaults I 17:11 slef could figure out how to obtain 17:11 kados part of that is fixed by moving them to the web installer 17:11 kados ok, that works 17:11 kados so long as I can write a wrapper later that allows some dialog 17:12 kados ie, where there could be choices, I should be able to make choices 17:12 slef many of them can be overridden, by passing environment variables to either MakeMaker or through 17:12 slef rewrite-config.PL 17:12 kados yea, the env var is the wy to go IMO 17:12 slef Have you see Havoc's rant against choices? 17:12 kados that way I can ask questions, then set the env vars based on that, then go do it 17:12 kados no 17:12 kados but I agree 17:12 kados I just know that some choices are going to be necessary 17:13 kados maybe not for 90% of the people installing 17:13 kados but there will always be a few that want to set things up a certain way 17:13 slef "Havoc Pennington is a bright enough fellow, but I think he's got 17:13 slef issues." hehe 17:13 slef well, can 10% cope with putting them on the command-line or tweaking their install after the installer's finished? 17:14 kados don't thikn so 17:14 kados so we write a wrapper 17:14 kados but your thing comes first 17:14 kados so as long as you use env variables where there shoudl be choices, and use a config r something to set defaults, well be golden 17:14 slef I've passed a tarball dev release to pray for him to try. 17:19 Brooke I know I'll be shot on sight for this, but if it's really that large, can there be 2 installers? One no choice and one customiseable? 17:19 slef *BANG* 17:20 Brooke Shooting me just makes Ugh mad. 17:20 slef Seriously, the installer has lots of choices, but sane defaults and just won't ask you about it. 17:20 slef you can tell it if you want a different choice and it shouldn't be hard to write a "question everything" wrapper 17:21 Brooke question everything, trust no one, who's counting *duck* 17:21 slef http://ometer.com/features.html 17:22 slef http://ometer.com/free-software-ui.html under "The Question of Preferences" 17:22 slef is a better reference 17:23 Brooke *nod* 17:24 Brooke I'm gonna jet, too 17:31 tim Killed MySQL and CPU went down to nothing. Started it up again and it's ok so far, but hasn't been used. 17:33 slef tim: check your mysql logs, but that's fiddly. Did you see what state the mysql daemon was in? If D, then it may be a filesystem fault. 17:33 slef but actually, D won't usually push the CPU up until it's almost unrecoverable 17:33 slef so I don't know 17:33 slef increase your monitoring and cross your fingers 17:35 tim Thanks. It's strange because we didn't have this problem before and it's been under lots heavier use than this. 17:39 cm kados, are you around? I'm puzzling over my title search problem. 17:51 ryan win 3 17:51 slef lose 99 18:59 tim This is strange. I killed MySQL and CPU usage dropped. Restarted it and it was fine till we try to add a biblio record. Then CPU is back to 99%. 19:00 tim top doesn't show any processes using that much CPU. 19:54 thd` ryan: ping 19:55 thd tim: how had you measured your 99% CPU usage? 19:58 tim Just with top 22:09 apeiron whois apeiron 22:09 apeiron whoops. 23:09 MattNZ Hey guys 23:10 chris hey matt 23:10 rach hello 23:10 MattNZ Just looking at Koha for the first time, just trying to get my head around it all.... 23:10 MattNZ how long have you guys been using it? what do you like about it? 23:11 chris you are probably best to ask that question on the mailing list 23:11 chris mostly developers on irc 23:11 MattNZ Do you know what development support fees are generally? 23:12 chris it depends entirely on who is doing your support and what level of support you need 23:12 MattNZ ok, fair enough 23:12 MattNZ So where are you based? 23:13 chris im in wellington 23:13 chris you? 23:13 MattNZ Christchurch 23:13 chris i work for liblime, who do a bunch of support and development around Koha, here in NZ and in the US 23:14 MattNZ Do you charge hourly, yearly ? for support / development 23:15 chris its pretty flexible, we have some kinda set deals, they are based around yearly 23:15 chris you probably want to talk to Russel he knows all that kinda stuff :) 23:15 MattNZ Do you have these set deals published anywhere that you know of? :) 23:15 chris lemme ask, 2 secs 23:16 kados we don't 23:16 kados MattNZ: http://liblime.com/about/quote 23:16 kados someone will contact you if you submit that form 23:16 MattNZ thanks 23:18 MattNZ How do you find the support of Koha? are most queries just user knowledge? or software issues? 23:18 kados a lot of feature requests 23:19 chris lots of user knowledge one toos, though people tend to ask those ones on teh mailing lists 23:19 kados yea 23:19 chris customising/changing features to work in a way a client wants is often a big part 23:20 MattNZ fair enough, being open source I guess the user can implement these functions themselves? 23:20 chris yep sure can 23:21 MattNZ I know there are lots of library systems out there, other than the open source thing what would you say is the major benefit of koha (just in your experience)? 23:22 chris well, the opac of the latest version, and koha zoom, is probably better than any opac ive seen 23:22 MattNZ do you have this online ? I would like to take a look 23:22 chris that stems from the fact that the development is steered by libraries/librarians ... not by marketing teams :-) 23:23 MattNZ yeah, fair enough... do you happen to know any live sites using this opac / koha zoom? that I could take a look at? 23:23 chris there are ton of libraries using koha, ill find one using koha zoom for ya now 23:24 MattNZ thanks 23:24 chris http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 23:24 chris http://www.rangitikeilibrary.org.nz/ <-- koha classic 23:24 chris or www.library.org.nz <-- koha classic too 23:25 MattNZ great! thanks 23:25 chris http://opac.smfpl.org/ <-- theres another zoom one 23:25 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers <-- some of the libraries we know that are using koha 23:26 chris heres a neat thing you can do in zoom 23:27 chris http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/search?q=the 23:27 chris find the album called 'the' by macy gray 23:28 MattNZ ok, found it 23:28 chris (its a pet peeve of mine, i know the wellington city library has albums by 'the the' .. but i cant find them in the catalogue) 23:29 chris because the is a stop word 23:29 chris and stripped from the searches 23:29 MattNZ ok, cool 23:29 MattNZ does it do video, audio attachments? 23:30 chris yep can do 23:30 chris you just have to add the link to them when you catalogue an item 23:30 MattNZ to an electronic file? is this stored in the database? or just a link? 23:32 chris you could store it in the db if you want, but its best usually using some content management system to manage those type and file,s and just provide a link to them in the catalogue 23:33 MattNZ ok 23:33 MattNZ certainly looks interesting 23:33 MattNZ how long would it have taken to set up the web interface like the athens one? 23:34 chris kados would know the answer to that one, not long i dont think, thats pretty close to the standard templates that come with zoom i think 23:34 chris that right kados? 23:35 chris hmm its 7.30pm where he is, he might have gone to eat :) 23:36 MattNZ ok, lol 23:40 MattNZ so is koha zoom something you can download or do you have to buy this component? 23:41 chris you can download, but its very tricky to get going, koha 3.0 will have the features of zoom, but be much easier to install 23:41 chris thats what we are working on now 23:42 MattNZ ahhh I see 23:42 MattNZ are there detailed instructions on how to get it going with 2.28 that you know of? 23:43 chris yeah they are a bit out of date though, but what there are is at 23:43 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=installingzebraplugin226 23:44 MattNZ thanks 23:45 MattNZ oh well, thanks for your help... I will go have a play.... may come back if I can't get things working, lol 23:46 chris cool 23:49 cht hi folks 23:49 chris hi chris 23:50 cht its been a while since i've been in here 23:50 cht but, as always, i'm here for a reason :) 23:51 chris :) 23:51 cht i'm trying to load the marc data for npl in samoa but... 23:52 cht the bulkmarcload.pl gives me the following: 23:52 cht Can't locate object method "ignore_errors" via package "MARC::Charset" at ... line 24 23:54 cht that should have been bulkmarkimport.pl, sorry 23:54 cht any ideas? 23:55 cht i'm thinking, comment line 24 out and see what happens :) 23:56 chris hmmm 23:56 chris yeah worth a shot 23:56 chris i suspect MARC::Charset has changed since that script was written 23:58 cht wish me luck! ;) 23:58 chris good luck :) 23:59 cht sigh... 23:59 cht it looks like MARC::Record has dropped the encoding method used at line 218 00:03 chris ahh, i wonder if theree is a newer bulkmarcimport in git 00:03 chris lemme look 00:06 cht it looks like bulkmarcimport.pl uses the encoding method in at least three places, some of which are important 00:06 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl;hb=4728830e34d19a8474c3c304a54ff2af1b44319e 00:07 chris is the latest version i can find 00:08 cht i see the the MARC::Charset on line 24 is commented out :) 00:10 cht and the encoding method of MARC::Record is only called once on line 149 and looks easy to comment out 00:11 chris hmmm 00:11 chris what version of MARC::Record do you hve installed 00:12 masonj hmmm 00:13 masonj just my 2 cents, ive been using a similar version of bulkmarcimport.pl 00:13 masonj with the 'MARC::Charset->ignore_errors(1);' uncommented , and hasnt been grizzling 00:15 masonj i wonder if certain versions of M::Charset dont like/use that sub? 00:15 chris bound to be 00:16 cht sorry - i'm back 00:16 cht whats the best way to check the M:Record version? 00:17 dbs perldoc MARC::Record 00:17 dbs gives you a version under the second heading 00:19 cht MARC::Recod 1.38 00:19 chris ahh 00:19 chris its up to 2.0.0 now 00:19 cht oh! 00:20 chris i reckon upgrading marc::record will fix the issue with the encoding (which you want fixed, badly encoded records = nightmare) 00:20 cht i wonder if it will compile under debian etch? 00:20 masonj yeah, it should 00:20 chris yeah, i installed it on debian just yesterday 00:20 chris with CPAN 00:21 cht ok 00:21 masonj FYI: my ignore_errors(1) friendly M::Charset version is 0.97 00:22 cht i just have to wait for the CPAN module to navigate usp's proxy server 00:22 masonj with M::Record 2.0.0 00:22 chris proxies arent fun 00:23 cht while this tries to run, i'm gunna grab some lunch 00:23 cht i will report back in a while :) 00:23 masonj cool, cya then 00:23 cht geez i use too many smileys 00:23 chris its cos u are in friendly fiji 00:44 Brooke yo 00:44 chris hi brooke 00:44 Brooke \/\/00+ chris is up :) 00:44 chris heh 00:46 kados hey chris if you're bored, I think selectbranchprinter.pl is still busted 00:46 kados :-) 00:46 kados I think it must use the old sessions stuff or sth 00:46 chris ill go look, this is 3.0 right? 00:46 kados but basically, if you change branches, it doesn't save that choice properly 00:46 kados yea 00:46 chris ill take a look now 00:46 kados the login one works fine 00:47 kados so prolly a copy/paste job would do it 01:05 cht ok, i updated both MARC::Record and Charset off od CPAN with no trouble and bulkmarkimport.pl (the original version) is now running against about 45,000 records 01:27 cht thx kados! 01:28 cht dum dee dum... CPU at 100%... mysql at the top of the process list... i guess that's a good sign ;-) 02:08 thd chris: I have a question about submitting compressed git patches. 02:08 chris yep 02:10 cht unrelated question: are there any other opac or intranet templates available anywhere? 02:10 thd chris: I have submitted several patches to patches at koha.org but only one patch which did not depend on previous compressed patches ever made it into the main repository. 02:11 chris not really cht, the idea was that contribs.koha.org would be a place to put them but no one really has yet 02:11 chris hmmm, i wonder if the mail server ate them 02:12 thd chris: the very first patch I submitted is now irrelevant but all the others are still relevant. 02:12 chris can u remmebr the commit lines 02:12 thd chris: what do you mean by commit lines? 02:13 chris Major change switching Koha record ID from field 090 to 999 02:13 thd that is one 02:13 chris ok what was the irrelevant one? 02:13 thd no that was one of the last ones 02:17 thd chris: the irrelevant one is " Corrected internal versioning and treatment of authority types" from 21 August. 02:18 chris ok ill go hunting for the others and try to reapply them 02:18 thd chris: I updated git subsequent to submitting the next batch of patches so their should be no dependency on the first one. 02:19 chris k 02:20 chris 0001-Major-change-switching-Koha-record-ID-from-field-090.patch 02:20 chris didnt apply 02:20 chris error: misc/marc21_simple_bib_frameworks.sql: does not exist in index 02:20 chris ill have a look at it to see why 02:20 thd chris: "Correcting authoritytypecode values" was the first in a set of sequential patches from 24 August. 02:21 thd chris: "Correcting fields and subfields included in authority frameworks" is second. 02:22 chris hmm right ill try applying them in that order 02:22 thd chris: "Adding custom authority frameworks" is third. 02:23 chris first 2 applied ok 02:23 chris doing the 3rd one now 02:23 thd chris: "Correcting custom authority frameworks installation instructions" is forth. 02:24 thd chris: "Major MARC 21 bibliographic frameworks change" is fifth and last so far. 02:24 chris first 3 applied and pushed up to the rm repo 02:25 thd chris: the only issue I noticed was that git would give a warning about the trailing white space in some of my comment lines. 02:26 chris yeah it doesnt like trailing whitespace 02:26 chris but its just a warning 02:27 chris ok that Major one still doesnt want to apply clean 02:27 chris ill take a look 02:27 chris the rest all applied fine 02:27 thd chris: I could fix the trailing white space in my comments in future to avoid confusing diff but the amount of white space is not a serious issue presently. 02:28 cht folks: where is the item type supposed to go? 942 subfield something? 02:29 thd cht: that sounds right if you mean the internal Koha SQL column. 02:30 chris sorted and pushed up, so when joshua has checked it, should all appear on git.koha.org thd 02:30 thd chris: what was the problem with the last one? 02:31 chris misc/marc21_standard_bib_framework.sql and the simple one didnt exist, so i just git added them and it was happy 02:32 thd chris: were they moved or something? 02:33 chris could be, seems all happy now tho, so just check it when it appears at git.koha.org 02:34 thd chris: I would have thought that some of the other patches had a dependency on those files but I guess I will check the final status to see that it all went well 02:36 thd chris: can file additions not be included in a patch? 02:36 chris yep they can 02:36 chris im not sure why it didnt like them, but its happy now 02:36 thd I guess I ma happy if git is happy :) 02:37 chris the messages had got caught by my filters as they didnt have the [PATCH] text in them, so i didnt spot them 02:38 chris (get so much spam to the @koha.org addresses) 02:38 thd chris: should subject line should include [PATCH]? 02:38 chris thats what git send email does, so i have a filter that spots them 02:38 thd when I send patch messages? 02:39 chris yeah that would be handy 02:39 thd chris: I have not been using git to send them because I have to compress to many of them before sending. 02:40 thd chris: I cannot send a 22-25 MB frameworks patch over my mail system 02:41 chris yeah fair enough, if you put PATCH onthe subject line itll make it easier to spot 02:41 chris and we should be all good 02:41 chris gzipped is fined, i just didnt spot them 02:43 thd cht: biblioitems.itemtype is in 942 $c by default for the Koha MARC 21 bibliographic frameworks 02:50 cht thd: perfect, thx 02:53 cht one more question... i loaded the data before i set the item types, which is something that chris told me not to do... 02:53 cht do i need to set the item types and then do a fresh reload or can i just enter the items types now? 02:53 chris you can just enter them now, that should be ok 02:56 cht k 02:59 cht oops. i forgot about the 4 char limit on the item type - i guess i will have to reload after all 07:03 paul__ World Rugby Cup begins today in France 07:09 chris yes, im watching interviews live in marseille 07:09 chris i didnt see you though :) 07:09 paul ;-) 07:09 chris saw zidane kicking a rugby ball 07:10 paul yes, we have some ads with Zizou and F. Galtier speaking of sport 07:10 chris hehe 07:10 chris 12 hours till kickoff 07:11 paul the rugby man explaining to Zizou that the Rugby ball is oval and the rules differents (give the ball behind you to advance :-D ), but the sport spirit is the same 07:11 paul or something like that 07:11 chris :-) 07:11 masonj but keeps it nearby.... 07:11 chris the bar in marseille where russel and I had dinner with HDL was in the newspaper here today 07:12 chris being the only rugby bar in marseille 07:12 paul of course : Marseille is THE soccer city in France. 07:13 chris http://oregonstate.edu/~reeset/blog/archives/448 07:13 hdl and zizou being badly hit by a quarterback. 07:13 chris new marcedit 07:13 paul (even our new bishop said when he arrived last year : "I come from a Rugby city, but i'm happy to discover a soccer city" ;-) ) 07:13 chris hi hdl 07:13 chris hehe 07:14 hdl hi chris 07:15 hdl Marcedit still relies on .net :S 07:15 chris yeah, but it should work with MONO 07:16 chris i havent tried it though 07:16 hdl I tried on a windows engine. 07:16 hdl But it was quite slow. 07:16 chris right 07:17 hdl (.net on windows 2000 professional) 07:22 paul chris, a git question... 07:22 chris yes 07:22 paul we did some tests with hdl, and I have something like 10+ commits on my repo. 07:22 chris yep 07:22 paul something like 3-4 of them are "useless" and you don't need to apply them on official repo 07:22 chris right 07:22 paul how to tell git "OK, forget those ones" 07:23 chris i dont think you can, but you can tell git which ones you want to make patches for 07:23 paul (of course, they are mixed with useful ones. For example A-B-C-D-E-F : B, C and E are useless) 07:24 paul right, but they will still appear on my branch. And a .patch file file will be generated each time I git-format-patch 07:24 paul right ? 07:24 chris yes unless you tell format patch to ignore them 07:24 chris im just looking how to do that 07:26 chris --ignore-if-in-upstream 07:26 chris Do not include a patch that matches a commit in <until>..<since>. This will examine all patches reachable from <since> but not from <until> and compare them with the patches being generated, and any patch that matches is ignored. 07:26 chris maybe that .. but im not sure 07:26 chris there must be some way to do it, people must have run into this before 08:28 slef hi 08:28 slef chris: about? 08:58 paul hi slef 09:03 chris am now 09:41 slef chris: sorry, was on phone (50 minutes!) 09:41 slef chris: still there? I've got a FHS patch to the installer which might actually get us a working and half-sane tarball 09:44 chris cool :) 09:44 slef I'll email it in now, as you're around, instead of waiting for pray to test 09:44 chris cool, ill take a look and apply it and push it up to the RM repo, and joshua can push it out when he wakes up 09:45 slef you have m@il 09:45 slef anyone else, the patches are on serene 09:46 slef serene is http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/ 09:46 slef serene? 09:46 dewey serene is http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/ 09:47 chris sweet that looks good 09:48 chris done 09:49 slef not 100% sure about it, as I've not found anyone doing this the same way yet 09:49 chris right 09:49 slef but then, installation of perl webapps seems to be as neat as a bag of cats 09:49 chris yeah, everyone seems to do it differently 09:50 slef some people like Module::Install, some like PAR, so I'm staying with MakeMaker for now because it's everywhere 09:50 chris right 09:54 chris that tarball looks pretty deent 09:55 chris decent too 09:55 slef beware: it will splatter /usr if you don't give it a PREFIX on both Makefile.PL and make 09:55 chris ahh right 09:55 slef but most people seem to like to splatter /usr with koha - strange people ;-) 09:56 chris hehe 09:56 slef perl Makefile.PL 'PREFIX=/tmp/koha' 09:56 slef PREFIX=/tmp/koha make install 09:56 chris good way to test 09:57 slef for testing... looks sane... not been brave enough to try install-CPAN.pl on my main coding system yet! 09:57 chris ill have a try on that, and see what happens :) 09:58 slef I've not tried yet, but you may even be able to dh-make-perl the tarball 09:58 slef that's the eventual plan... probably needs debugging 10:09 chris seems to be working 10:11 chris at least its installing a pile of modules from cpan 10:11 chris (was a fresh debian etch so its needing to install all the modules) 10:13 slef cool 10:13 slef did you install mysql and zebra first, like in the README? 10:13 slef ;-) 10:13 chris yep 10:13 slef good man! You are a rare hacker, RTFMing 10:14 chris heh i even read the install-CPAN.pl to figure out how to run it 10:14 chris i think if its a fresh cpan 10:14 chris we need one more mkdir 10:14 chris to make the id dir .. before we make id/K 10:14 slef fresh = unused? 10:14 chris yeah, unconfigured CPAN 10:15 slef ah, that doesn't happen during configuration? 10:15 chris it makes author 10:15 slef You need to have configured CPAN 10:15 chris but not author/id 10:15 slef ok, shall I add and send-email? 10:15 chris that would be cool 10:22 slef done 10:22 chris sweet, ill apply then i might head to bed, gotta be up early for the first game of the rugby world cup in the morning 10:23 slef I was wondering about going to watch that at the local cinema... not sure I'll bother 10:23 chris luckily kahurangi will wake me up, he never sleeps past 6am 10:23 slef I think I have 4 free tickets 10:23 slef ultimate big screen sport ;-) 10:23 slef no beer, though 10:23 chris to the france vs argentina game? 10:23 slef no, to RWC @ cinema 10:23 chris ahh :) 10:23 slef I think it's 4 for all matches 10:23 chris sweet 10:24 slef after that, you have to pay... no idea what 10:24 slef as in 4 for the tournament 10:24 chris shame about the no beer rule 10:24 slef no every match 10:24 slef rugby+beer+steeply raked seats? sounds dangerous ;-) 10:24 chris hehe 10:26 slef I think I'm only going to report phishing emails for banks I like from now on. 10:26 slef It's too much work, otherwise. 10:26 chris yeah there are so many of them 10:27 slef I already only report UK ones because I know the unified reporting system for them. 10:27 chris right applied and pushed, time for some sleep 10:27 chris thanks for working on the installer 10:27 slef no probs, enjoy your snooze 10:27 slef oh, did it work? 10:27 chris its still cpanning :) 10:28 chris ill let you know tomorrow 10:28 slef ok, voyons! 10:39 kados morning all 10:39 slef morning... I shouldn't still be in this office :-/ 10:40 kados slef++ # installer progress 10:46 slef be interesting to see what chris's test turns up 10:52 kados definitely 11:09 hdl hi kados 11:31 kados hey hdl