Time  Nick     Message
11:56 Mordazy  sorry, bbl
11:55 Mordazy  awwww, now it crashed totally
11:53 paul     no, it is not normal
11:53 paul     copy/paste the error here, pls
11:53 Mordazy  or is it normal during importing many similiar records into database?
11:53 Mordazy  what`s wrong?
11:53 Mordazy  mostly "duplicate entry"
11:53 Mordazy  but during actual import I have lots of errors
11:53 paul     a little, yes.
11:53 Mordazy  I have prepared iso2709 file with MARC records, test parsing with bulkmarcimport went fine,
11:52 Mordazy  could you help me a little with bulkmarcimport?
11:52 Mordazy  Hello paul
11:51 paul     chris around ?
11:37 Mordazy  OK
11:37 Mordazy  ROTFL :)
11:36 risa     my nickname is changed
11:36 risa     Hi Mordazy we spoke in the forenoon about Linux
11:28 Mordazy  are you familiar with bulkmarcimport and generally importing MARC records to Koha?
11:27 Mordazy  hi risa
11:12 risa     hi everybody
11:01 Mordazy  or is it normal during importing many similiar records into database?
11:01 Mordazy  what`s wrong?
11:01 Mordazy  and "incorrect key file"
10:59 Mordazy  mostly "duplicate entry"
10:59 Mordazy  but during actual import I have lots of errors
10:59 Mordazy  I have prepared iso2709 file with MARC records, test parsing with bulkmarcimport went fine,
10:38 Mordazy  is there anybody familiar with bulkmarcimport and generally importing MARC records to Koha?
09:50 Mordazy  ok, enough preaching :)
09:50 Mordazy  then you will have specific goals, and this is something that helps much learning Linux
09:49 Mordazy  for instance, router  between your PC and the internet
09:48 Mordazy  task*
09:48 Mordazy  and try to use Linux for some specific tastk
09:47 Mordazy  just try the command line interface
09:46 Mordazy  or any other Graphic User Interface
09:46 Mordazy  DON`T install XWindow
09:46 CGI702   i will be here afternoon
09:46 Mordazy  but whatever you choose
09:46 CGI702   do you want
09:46 CGI702   i will go to lunch
09:45 CGI702   ok thank you very much
09:44 Mordazy  and getting the same distributiona as he is using
09:43 Mordazy  even better solution is looking for a Linux guru among your friends
09:43 Mordazy  but you`ll gradually learn more and more things
09:42 Mordazy  it will be quite hard at the beginning
09:42 Mordazy  but you might try Arch Linux
09:42 Mordazy  Poland
09:42 CGI702   where are u now
09:41 Mordazy  this one is Polish distribution, guess you wouldn`t have much use of it
09:40 CGI702   Could you give me a name or any address for download
09:39 Mordazy  and discovered a small, text-only distribution
09:39 Mordazy  then I had to prepare a small router / server for a small network
09:38 Mordazy  but actually I wasn`t discovering Linux, I was still working with Windows
09:37 Mordazy  because  there was this nice interface, you could do many things just like in Windows, clicking with mouse
09:36 Mordazy  and it didn`t work for me
09:36 Mordazy  I tried to learn Linux using distributions like Ubuntu
09:34 Mordazy  actually, I don`t like any "graphical" Linux
09:34 Mordazy  honestly I hate Ubuntu
09:34 Mordazy  which is intended not "workstation" use, but rather a router or server, without graphical interface
09:33 CGI702   Your preference is Ubuntu
09:32 Mordazy  if you want my advice, choose a small, text-only distribution
09:31 CGI702   I want to learn but i cant by myself
09:30 Mordazy  or a "classic" one, no GUI, only text console?
09:30 Mordazy  but which, a Win-like, Ubuntu or something like this?
09:29 CGI702   Yes, but I dont know well
09:28 Mordazy  CGI702: are you familiar with Linux?
09:27 Mordazy  he made it for his mother who works in a very small library
09:27 Mordazy  My friend who modified Koha for me, made also a small distribudion of Koha, called Koha Mini, which runs out-of the box on a single XP machine
09:26 CGI702   but i use to change some things
09:25 CGI702   I have no problem for the present
09:24 Mordazy  linux of course, running any server application on Win is mistake IMHO
09:24 CGI702   i use Win
09:24 CGI702   which system Linux or Win
09:23 Mordazy  I use modified version
09:23 Mordazy  me too
09:23 CGI702   i try use koha
09:21 Mordazy  CGI702: ?
09:21 Mordazy  hi CGI702, hi dewey
09:20 CGI702   no
09:20 Mordazy  have question about bulkmarcimport
09:20 dewey    hola, CGI702
09:20 CGI702   hi
09:19 Mordazy  Hello
01:27 kados    just looking
01:20 thd      kados: do you have a commitment for funding or were you just looking at the possibility?
01:20 kados    thd: we don't have one yet
01:20 thd      kados: I meant to ask what your timeline is for what you were working on with Chris
01:19 kados    thd: for 5.0 too I bet :-)
01:19 kados    thd: yes
01:17 thd      kados: Is the use of a metarecords in Koha going to be for Koha 4.0?
01:15 thd      kados: no I said that incorrectly, hidden was framework dependent
01:13 thd      kados: I think that the use of hidden column was only effective for the default framework and the semantic label from the libopac column was always read from the default framework, but I cannot remember what else
01:10 kados    sorry
01:10 kados    no, I don't
01:10 thd      kados: the default framework alone controls some factors for the record editor.  Do you remember which factors are controlled by the default framework alone?
00:58 kados    with authorities records ... you don't need all those extra fields
00:58 kados    but it can easily be acomplished by simply deleting the unnecessary fields
00:58 kados    yes, that is one element
00:57 kados    hmmm
00:52 thd      kados: is that not one of the essential elements that they wanted?
00:50 thd      kados: I thought that one of the key issues was that the library only wanted to see the heading field from uniform title when editing a uniform title record and not corporate name etc
00:48 kados    I've got too much to do in the next couple months anyway to write something to take advantage of it
00:48 kados    we can always add it later
00:48 kados    lets not
00:48 kados    actually ...
00:47 kados    just in case :-)
00:47 kados    yes, I think so
00:47 kados    hmmm
00:47 thd      kados: would you like me to add one?
00:47 thd      kados: auth_subfield_structure has no hidden column
00:46 thd      kados: auth_stricture_structure has no hidden column
00:46 kados    thd: what's up?
00:45 kados    hi
00:45 thd      hello kados
00:44 kados    thd: I was at dinner, I'm back now
00:44 kados    hey thd
23:15 thd      kados: please answer
23:14 thd      kados: they are different
23:13 dewey    kados was last seen on #koha 3 hours, 51 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: just to signal that they're different [Thu Aug  9 07:22:32 2007]
23:13 thd      seen kados
21:00 masonj   morning #koha
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19:22 foxnorth sure
19:22 kados    just to signal that they're different
19:22 foxnorth yeah that makes sense
19:22 kados    and i'd put a separator between them and the other groups of folders
19:22 foxnorth no prob
19:21 kados    I think the servers could be expanded by default for the search results
19:21 foxnorth shoot!
19:21 kados    nothing big, just a comment about the 'folders'
19:21 foxnorth sure
19:08 kados    foxnorth: if you're still around
19:08 kados    foxnorth: one more thing I can think of
18:58 kados    sweet
18:58 foxnorth lemme see what i can do then
18:58 foxnorth great
18:58 kados    it's looking really good
18:58 kados    not just yet
18:56 foxnorth kados: any other thoughts?  otherwise i'll head off to implement those things
18:39 foxnorth hang on, brb
18:39 foxnorth right
18:39 kados    context sensetive, yadayada
18:39 foxnorth sounds right
18:39 kados    so you've got two rows of vertical space to kill, your current 'button' one, and the 'Search Results one' and put the buttons in the row where the page scroller is now
18:38 kados    ahh
18:38 foxnorth yeah cos of the status bar, i think
18:37 kados    ahh, also, if I 'hide' the preview panel, I can't get it back
18:37 foxnorth it's small, after all
18:37 foxnorth yeah that's a thought
18:37 foxnorth nest the status bar there?
18:37 kados    can't you nest it in the left panel?
18:37 foxnorth got to figure out how not to have it hide stuff in the central panel
18:36 kados    we could use it for something
18:36 foxnorth ok
18:36 kados    that's a nice area
18:36 kados    I think status is OK for now
18:36 foxnorth would free up a little more vertical space
18:36 foxnorth and getting rid of the status bar
18:36 foxnorth you're right!
18:36 kados    (sorry for being picky :-)
18:36 kados    just a waste of vertical space
18:36 kados    and I don't think we need the Search results row
18:35 foxnorth gotcha
18:35 kados    we can just scoot the pages bit over to the right
18:35 kados    so the page thing you have now is the same row we want our toolbar to be in
18:35 foxnorth but we could lower that, since we've got that preview panel
18:35 kados    right
18:35 foxnorth right now i think i set it to display in blocks of 25
18:34 kados    and have the <- Page 1 of 1 -> for scrolling
18:34 foxnorth the paging in teh grid should take care of some of that
18:34 foxnorth yeah, that might work
18:34 kados    limit to 20 at a time or something
18:34 kados    can we make it not scroll at all?
18:34 kados    so if I do a search with 100 results
18:33 foxnorth i could check into
18:33 kados    yea, I figured
18:33 foxnorth i think there are some jquery plugins that do stuff like that
18:33 kados    like the apple minimize function
18:33 kados    yea
18:33 foxnorth the msg box you mean?
18:33 kados    and it would go 'hide' there after it displayed
18:33 kados    is if you had a little [!] bottom left
18:32 kados    what would be cool
18:32 foxnorth right
18:32 kados    like if the search failed, etc.
18:32 kados    it could also give other feedback
18:32 foxnorth yeah that's a good idea
18:32 kados    like you have on initial page load
18:32 kados    a little twirly thingy
18:31 foxnorth i was thinking maybe just a status message coudl display or someting
18:31 kados    you could do it in the center of the page
18:31 foxnorth although the status updates are good
18:31 foxnorth also the status bar at teh bottom is kind of annoying
18:31 foxnorth and fix that searchbar being cut off
18:31 foxnorth ok so next steps lemme get the toolbars setup and in place in the ui
18:31 foxnorth sure
18:30 kados    but we can put the merge button in :-)
18:30 jaron    have it in mind when designing but --yeah focus on the editor first :)
18:30 foxnorth agreed
18:30 foxnorth yeah let's get that working well
18:30 kados    add merging later
18:30 kados    first
18:30 kados    I think we focus on the editor
18:30 kados    yep
18:30 foxnorth that would take some work
18:30 foxnorth yeah
18:30 kados    merging is hard
18:30 foxnorth well that would be cool!
18:30 kados    I dunno
18:30 kados    and if you click on <- it 'steals' the value ofrom field2 or something
18:29 kados    field1 <- field2
18:29 kados    yea
18:29 foxnorth and it'll open the marceditor with those records in split panels?
18:29 foxnorth then they can click on an Editor button
18:29 kados    yea
18:29 foxnorth so maybe just let them pick another record however they want
18:28 kados    basically, passing these objects around as much as possible
18:28 foxnorth good points
18:28 kados    or use one in the saved folders
18:28 kados    and/or upload a new record on th fly
18:28 kados    and maybe they can do a new earch too
18:28 kados    yea
18:27 foxnorth popup a dialog box w/ the search results grid and user can dbl click
18:27 foxnorth just thinking how to implement the merge idea
18:27 foxnorth extensibility++
18:27 foxnorth right
18:26 kados    and you can always add your own checks too
18:26 kados    yea, it's really nice
18:24 foxnorth that sounds cool
18:24 jaron    MARC::Lint++
18:23 kados    with Merge, you find another record and it shows them side by side
18:23 foxnorth right
18:23 kados    yea, probably marc::lint
18:22 foxnorth can post to marc::record in perl script
18:22 kados    Save, Export, Cancel, Save Draft, Merge, Validate, Print, Options
18:22 foxnorth yeah Validate is a good one
18:22 kados    ahh, print too
18:22 kados    for the edit page I think
18:22 kados    Save, Export, Cancel, Save Draft, Merge, Validate, Options (select template)
18:21 kados    yea
18:21 foxnorth could add Export?
18:20 kados    for the results page I think
18:20 kados    New, Refresh, Move, Print, Edit
18:19 foxnorth actually not really
18:18 foxnorth ok think i've got it
18:18 foxnorth hhm lemme see maybe it's in that email from a week or 2 back
18:17 kados    lemme see if I can find it
18:17 kados    I think I had a list at one point
18:17 foxnorth for search and savefile views
18:17 foxnorth obviously save
18:17 foxnorth we'd like where...
18:17 foxnorth in fact we should discuss exactly which buttons
18:17 foxnorth right
18:17 kados    just different buttons
18:17 kados    cuz you'll want the same toolbar in the results page
18:17 foxnorth i'll update it as you change views
18:16 foxnorth right
18:16 kados    and that can be contextual
18:16 foxnorth ok that make sense
18:16 foxnorth not tomention bigger and nicer icons!
18:16 foxnorth defiately need labels
18:16 kados    yea, exactly
18:16 foxnorth and then it'd be clear they go with that
18:16 kados    and I'd put a Save label on it to the right of the icon
18:16 foxnorth which would be easy i think with ext
18:16 foxnorth so i could make them a toolbar for that contentpanel
18:16 foxnorth i see
18:15 kados    and move the buttons to reside right where the folder name is displayed inside the edit panel
18:15 foxnorth uh huh
18:15 kados    I'd remove the whole row where the buttons are now
18:15 kados    here's what I'd do
18:15 kados    ok
18:15 kados    now I do
18:15 kados    ahh
18:14 kados    huh, i don't see it
18:14 foxnorth it's the first button (you can hover for tooltip)
18:14 kados    I woudl say where's the save button?
18:14 foxnorth hhm i need to check that search results grid
18:14 kados    yea, that makes perfect sense
18:13 foxnorth sound good?
18:13 kados    well, i was thinking abotu that too
18:13 foxnorth of course it saves the results to that one
18:13 kados    right
18:13 foxnorth otherwise if you've opened the record from a particular save file
18:13 foxnorth like an email program might
18:13 foxnorth clicking the save button (button #1 on toolbar) saves it to Drafts
18:13 foxnorth and you haven't yet saved it anywhere
18:13 foxnorth i have it set up so that if you have a record open in the marc editor
18:12 foxnorth btw i was going to ask you about saving
18:12 foxnorth i think i like this email-client-like interface!
18:11 kados    impressive foxnorth
18:07 kados    hehe, this is slick
18:07 foxnorth kados: you can still run search (despite partially obscured search bar) for xml, keyword
18:06 kados    ok
17:59 foxnorth and refresh
17:59 foxnorth in firebug run "resetDatabase()"
17:58 foxnorth hey kados-- forgot to mention this
17:56 kados    on eowyn I get: db error: SQLite prepare() failed: ERROR: SQL logic error or missing database DETAILS: no such table: Records EXPRESSION: delete from Records where status=""
17:54 kados    foxnorth: you around?
15:24 chris    http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-format-patch.html
15:24 chris    not sure have a read of
15:24 chris    and that will make a patch for between those
15:23 chris    or you can go git-format-patch REV1 REV2
15:23 paul     isn't there a way to say "all patches I havent mailed yet" ?
15:22 paul     ll
15:22 chris    or last 2
15:22 paul     what means "last" ?
15:22 chris    that will git you a patch for your last commit only
15:22 chris    try git-format-patch -2
15:22 paul     what do I want to do then ? :-D
15:22 chris    ahh you dont want to do origin
15:21 paul     quite inconvenient...
15:21 paul     (question for chris)
15:21 paul     even once it has been validated & added to the public repo ?
15:21 paul     git format-patch origin will create ALL my patches forever ?
15:21 paul     mmm... a git question :
15:20 paul     note that the + on fields doesn't require a post anymore.
15:19 paul     iirc, there is a random() part in the id
15:19 kados    I wonder if that increments
15:19 kados    is the id of the first 020 field
15:19 kados    tag_020_527881
15:19 kados    *nod*
15:18 paul     I just gave him the goal
15:18 paul     I don't know every details...
15:18 paul     toins rewrote all the editor.
15:18 kados    incremental?
15:18 kados    how does it handle the IDs?
15:18 paul     yep
15:18 kados    that's gonna be a big time saver
15:17 kados    cool
15:17 kados    looking
15:17 paul     (login abel / abel )
15:17 paul     kados : http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl
15:17 kados    hiya foxnorth
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14:00 chris    sometimes, but in this case we have 14 commits from you, then 1 from me and 1 from kados
13:59 paul     it means we will have 3 "lines" for each commit someone does ?
13:58 paul     so you validate them then kados publishes them ?
13:58 chris    thats merging the changes into the public repository
13:55 paul     and 'patches from paul'
13:55 paul     - Merge branch 'master' of ...
13:55 paul     I don't understand what means :
13:54 chris    yep
13:54 paul     does that mean i've pulled my own changes, and git had nothing to pull ?
13:54 paul     Merge made by recursive.
13:54 paul     Already uptodate!
13:54 paul      100% (1/1) done
13:54 paul       old..new: 8ee8811..e9ae8c0
13:54 paul     * refs/remotes/origin/master: fast forward to branch 'master' of git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha
13:54 paul     45 objects were added to complete this thin pack.
13:54 chris    http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=summary
13:54 paul      100% (84/84) done
13:53 paul     Resolving 84 deltas.
13:53 paul      100% (120/120) done
13:53 paul     remote: Total 120 (delta 84), reused 120 (delta 84)
13:53 paul     Indexing 120 objects.
13:53 paul     remote: 20/120) done20) done
13:53 chris    yep
13:53 paul     remote: Deltifying 120 objects...
13:53 paul     Result has 120 objects.
13:53 paul     remote: Done counting 178 objects.
13:53 paul     remote: Generating pack...
13:53 paul     [paul@localhost head]$ git pull
13:53 paul     I just had :
13:52 paul     I'm not sure of what i'll see when you validate my commits and I git pull. So let me know when you've done it.
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13:30 chris    :)
13:30 dbs      but I'm happy to here about cleaning of kohastructure.sql :)
13:30 dbs      I was hoping to get hands-on with a koha 3.0 release candidate this summer, but I'm running out of time :(
13:29 dbs      Paul -- http://coffeecode.net
13:29 chris    Dan works on evergreen a lot
13:29 chris    a canadian and a coffee drinker :)
13:29 paul     whois told me. but who is dan scott ???
13:28 dbs      paul: Dan Scott
13:28 paul     who is dbs ?
13:28 dbs      Hi Chris! Yeah, I've been negligent :(
13:27 chris    heya dbs
13:23 chris    cool
13:22 kados    and chris I mean
13:22 kados    :-)
13:21 kados    oops
13:21 paul     "and me" or "and chris" ?
13:21 paul     and me or and chris ?
13:21 kados    hehe
12:44 paul     (leaving in 3 hours)
12:44 paul     I'll be close
12:43 kados    paul: I have some additional questions for you
12:43 kados    paul: chris and I have to get breakfast, but we'll be back shortly
12:43 kados    cool
12:43 paul     very very nice to see commits, patches and history.
12:43 paul     you should try it...
12:43 kados    no, just git
12:42 kados    sounds like a cool feature, similar to the 'visibility' feature I think
12:42 paul     do you use qgit ?
12:42 kados    :-)
12:41 paul     with this small feature, I think the new editor will rock.
12:41 paul     when a field is not mandatory, and has no subfield = all subfields are hidden. And you'll have to click on the field description to "open" the subfield list.
12:40 kados    not yet, but I'll look today
12:40 paul     I think there is 1 very interesting feature missing, that I plan to add asap :
12:40 paul     did you had a chance to look at the new marc editor ?
12:39 kados    cool
12:39 kados    hehe
12:38 paul     just to let you know : I just told yesterday to my 2 "students" that I didn't know why virtualshelves were on item level, and it was probalby a design error ;-)
12:38 kados    (NPL and several other clients wanted it to be biblio level instead of item level)
12:37 kados    paul: I have made some major changes to virtual shelves recently, changed the nomenclature and moved them to be biblio-level instead of item-level (so you can add a biblio with no items to a virtual shelf) ... do you have any objection to such a change?
12:37 kados    yep
12:37 paul     and could reach apache timeout limit if the user set up too many languages
12:36 paul     tmpl_install can be quite long.
12:36 paul     but not that easy to write
12:36 kados    cool idea ;-)
12:36 kados    ok
12:36 paul     I wanted to write that, until the library can choose which language to install, it has to be in the repo
12:35 paul     you won ;-)
12:35 kados    should they be? or should it be a step for installation?
12:35 kados    so why should they be in the repo?
12:35 kados    ahh, ok
12:35 kados    my question is, if a change is made to prog/en, how does it get to prog/fr?
12:35 paul     and generated by misc/translator/tmpl_process3.pl install -s ... -o ... -i ...
12:34 kados    right
12:34 paul     french templates are in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/fr
12:34 kados    or are fr templates auto-magically generated?
12:34 kados    there's a 'fr' directory in the repository, is that supposed to be there?
12:33 paul     hello & good morning to you
12:33 kados    paul_: i've got a question about the french translation
12:33 paul     & somewhat available
12:33 kados    hi :-)
12:33 paul_    yep
12:33 kados    paul_: are you here?